I never said it was. But putting them on the same level seems ****ty
I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or not. It's been a long day
I was responding to you saying the "life ruined" thing. If you are saying they are both varying degrees of horrible then yes I see what you are getting at and agree.
In all fairness, I think they're kind of on the same level, but inflicting entirely different sorts of pain. A false accusation can turn a guy into a sex offender for life. He'll probably get raped damn near to death in prison (yay for prison justice), and be pretty much unemployable until he dies. Any woman with any sense won't come within a mile of him, and his life is basically ruined if convicted. If he's not convicted, things will probably blow over, someday, but there'll always be those articles lurking around- this second scenario isn't nearly as bad as being raped, but if he were to fail his defense, he's going to live a hellish life for decades. A rape victim must choose between suffering in silence and often coping with PTSD forever or going public with things, or possibly getting a bit of satisfaction that the guy might have a chance of getting convicted, but will get slandered into the ground before and during the trial, and will still have to deal with the PTSD and the stigma of being a known rape victim. And if the trial fails, she's got to both cope with her rape and cope with the stigma of being a false accuser. It's kind of a lose-lose-lose scenario.
I see where you are coming from but I disagree. And I'm just talking about an accusation not prison time which I could talk about how many problems I have with the "justice" system but that's neither here nor there
Accusations have consequences though. She is attempting to inflict the justice system upon him in a way that will completely and utterly destroy his life in every single way, in a way that he can never, ever move on from. A rape victim might someday find peace or closure. She might one day find employment, a guy that loves her, a nice community to live in. A convicted rapist is never, ever free of their conviction. You're looking at restricted living situations, state oversight, telling your neighbors you're a sex offender, never being able to hold a great number of employment positions, suffering the second worst treatment possible in prison (the gold medal goes to pedophiles), and basically having everyone hate you by default for the rest of your life. That fate being inflicted upon an innocent person is probably one of the worst things imaginable. But that's just my opinion, I know everyone weights how awful certain things are differently. Personally I feel total societal ostracization is worse than physical violation by an individual, because one is being committed by an awful individual in a single instance for something you didn't bring upon yourself, but the other is being inflicted upon you by the whole of society every day for the rest of your life for something you didn't bring upon yourself.
Re - read what I said. I'm not talking about convictions, I'm talking about accused and found not guilty or it not even brought to trial
That's entirely different than a false accusation though. I'm talking about people who straight up make up a rape happening. Those women are doing damage both to the men they're trying to get back at and the women who have legitimate rape claims, all for a bit of self-satisfaction. If the guy isn't found guilty, that just means that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute or convict, it doesn't mean the woman was lying about her claim. But if she claims a guy raped her that was out of state visiting his parents or whatever on the night it happened and its obvious the claim is false, lock her ass away.
It really doesn't matter whether it's equally as bad or not. The point is, I think false accusations are damaging enough to both women who have actually been raped and the men that they are trying to harm through those accusations that they should be prosecuted to the same extent that a rape is.
lol, we're hardly celebrities. We've had discussions like this a few times in the past, and we usually just agree to disagree.I've never watched celebrities argue before
you should watch "the hunt" with mads mikkelson
Looks interesting, I'll definitely check it out.
Or you could be a guy who had been falsely accused. That'd probs leave me terrified forever
Or know a friend who has been falsely accused. Or heck, even go to a school that's looking to make an example out of someone. Until some consistent guidelines with how to handle these accusations are established, there's going to be a degree of (terrifying) uncertainty for both sides.
1. The judge is a woman.
Just Google "man raped by woman" and you can find plenty of women referred to as rapists.
Calling women "rapists" isn't common usage because talking about rape committed by women isn't common conversation (exception: teacher-student affairs). This societal double-standard doesn't change the gender-impartial nature of the word. The term "shrew" is an antiquated term that was originally gender-neutral, but evolved into a female-specific term.
I don't associate it with a gender. While only 1% of adult rapes are perpetrated by females, there's a much higher number that occur in children. In a study of children that had been sexually abused, 9% of the perpetrators were women, and a further 9% included a woman working with a male partner.
They aren't mutually exclusive, both are real
When discussing potentialities, statistics are what you use. You don't just write off the fact that smoking, for instance, decreases life expectancy and increases the risk of cancer with a comment that, "statistics are irrelevant to the individual."
It is a good analogy, but the more prevalent debate here wasn't about the nature of consent, but rather the burden of evidence needed to convict the defendant on any level (university/criminal/civil). Overall, most people here have a pretty good grasp of consent, and the few posters who expressed confusion were expressing it due to their unfamiliarity with BDSM.This great analogy here effectively addresses and solves the persisting problems. Sadly, with this thread going to 9+ pages with no end in sight just shows that opposition hasn't a clue what they are talking about.
Still, good work touchpause.
Feel free to steal it. Glad you liked it 🙂
I think schools really need to crack down more on sexual assault because the majority of times victims don't even come forward and not all men are rapists but the burden of proof should always be on the accused and you can't ask for tea if you're unconscious
Burden of proof is always on the accuser/state, it's a central principle of our justice system
