Pre-Med Student Murdered

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Wow that's terrible, he was on the phone with his mom when it happened. That's got to be rough
 
Scary because the exact same thing happened to me except the part about being stabbed in the chest. I just gave the guy all my stuff and then he punched me and told me to run away...so I did. There was really no need to stab him though, they could have gotten away with his stuff if they wanted to, without being caught by the cops. Cops generally don't pursue small crimes like mugging, but they'll be on your ass if you kill someone. you can't expect dumb criminals like this to think rationally though.
 
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John's Hopkins isn't in the best neighborhood, actually it's in one of the worst in Baltimore... very sad, but very dangerous... Read The Virus Hunter by CJ Peters, he went to school there and he talks about how bad the area is around there....
 
the city of baltimore is just a shi*hole. there is no respect for life. drug use is way way way out of control. its going to be tough to turn that around
 
The worst part to me is that the murderer had an armed robbery charge dropped just a month ago. Sucks...
 
solo75 said:
The worst part to me is that the murderer had an armed robbery charge dropped just a month ago. Sucks...
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last year a hopkins undergrad was killed by a hit and run. when they caught the guy, he had been charged with a hit and run just a few months previously (along with some DUI charges as well).

this whole justice system doesnt work when people can just resume what they were doing without punishment

"Police arrested and charged two people in connection with the crime, each one with a predictable rap sheet. Lavelva Merritt, 24, has a long history of drug-related arrests and convictions. John Alexander Wagner, 34, has been charged in robberies and assaults, never receiving anything more than what amounted to time served, even after violating his probation repeatedly, court records show."
 
That is horrible i feel bad for the family how dare those vile POS take that young bright mind from us HOPEFULLY THEY GET AIDS AND DIE😡😡😡😡
 
Couple years back my friend got held up at gunpoint in baltimore... asked for his cell phone, wallet etc. He turned around and booked it broke into someones house and called the cops. He got lucky damn idk how he would think to run with a gun in your face.
 
coolwannabeMD said:
That is horrible i feel bad for the family how dare those vile POS take that young bright mind from us HOPEFULLY THEY GET AIDS AND DIE😡😡😡😡
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Why hope? I'm sure things could be arranged so that these worthless "members" of the human race would find their departure from this life as unpleasant as possible.
 
ugh, why would they stab him after he handled over his money. some humans are ******ed. heh, now that i think about it, some of us will have to "help" some of them some day.
 
What are the rules for students and protection while at medical school if u find yourself in a place like this
 
Steve was a good friend of mine. He was a great guy who planned to go into surgery. He even had Dr. Ben Carson recommending his application.

We spoke just the past week about the need to be thankful for what we have in life. Tragic that his was cut short so soon after.

RIP Steve
 
Cleavername said:
ugh, why would they stab him after he handled over his money. some humans are ******ed. heh, now that i think about it, some of us will have to "help" some of them some day.
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Which raises the ethical question, do you try your hardest to heal someone who you personally feel deserves death?
 
coolwannabeMD said:
What are the rules for students and protection while at medical school if u find yourself in a place like this
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i'm not sure what you mean exactly, but generally if its late at night you can call an escort van. but those can take quite a bit of time so i'd imagine people just walk it on many occassions. probably works fine most of the time, but it only takes once...
 
Dr Love said:
Steve was a good friend of mine. He was a great guy who planned to go into surgery. He even had Dr. Ben Carson recommending his application.

We spoke just the past week about the need to be thankful for what we have in life. Tragic that his was cut short so soon after.

RIP Steve
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from the looks of it, seems like this kid was really going places. hopkins med very likely. truly a shame
 
He was by the train station, which is not near the medical school. Slightly less sketchy, but less well patrolled. I wouldn't walk there at night, as opposed to the area just outside of Hopkins where I would barely walk during the day.
 
forget the logical, ethical, or whatever arguments.

Take these two dirt bags outside and blow there brains out
 
Very sad. Why couldn't they have just taken his money and scrammed, why was it so necessary to end the life of this promising individual?
Cases like this make me wish corporal punishment was legal. Maybe then people would think twice before taking someone's life. The way our judiciary system is based is criminals who are sentenced to life in prison get to live in reasonable sized rooms, all expenses paid. No wonder they don't think twice when they do this ****.
Rest in peach Stephen, it breaks my heart to think of how much potential he had and lives he could've saved. My condolences to his family and friends.
 
Poliscidoc said:
forget the logical, ethical, or whatever arguments.

Take these two dirt bags outside and blow there brains out
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Too quick.

Slow roast them like they did back in the good ol' days.
 
Cleavername said:
ugh, why would they stab him after he handled over his money. some humans are ******ed. heh, now that i think about it, some of us will have to "help" some of them some day.
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true. in many specialties you will have to save the lives of people who you wish were rather dead, and treat people who do not deserve treatment.
 
Cypher321 said:
Too quick.

Slow roast them like they did back in the good ol' days.
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what ever the most horrible form of torture is times that by 100 and then lets go from there.

Anybody seen Law Abiding Citizen- the torture scene is what these ****ers need!
 
we should bring this to attention to national media or something Gas Chamber i heard that horrible way to die🙂
 
Found it, here we go

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do what they do in the middle east. wanna try an armed robbery? well if you get caught we'll cut your hand off. this **** won't happen anymore
 
Truly tragic, may he rest in peace n may his family find peace. I was robbed at gunpoint a few years ago. I gave them my wallet, phone n car keys, luckily I wasn't hurt n my car wasn't jacked, but the experience made me appreciate the fleeting nature of life, in a fraction of time, someone decides whether u live or die... It's as crazy as it's sobering...

I guess we all should be a little more cautious about the places we go to especially when on foot and alone.. We live in a vicious world, amongst great people and psycopaths.....
 
FlowRate said:
Stories like these make me want to concealed carry even tho I hate the idea of ever shooting another person.
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I have my permit and to be honest even if you have a gun on you, its unlikely you would be able to get a off shot or even be able to defend yourself. You would have to have at least a few seconds to know you were about to be mugged.

Check this out

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Police: JHU Student Killed Intruder With Samurai Sword

Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Steve Fermier and Associated Press

City police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi described the incident to WBAL's


A Johns Hopkins University medical student armed with a samurai sword killed an intruder he discovered in his garage.

Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi says campus police and an off-duty city officer responding to a call for a suspicious person heard screams to call police around 1:20 a.m. Tuesday in the 300 block of University Parkway.

Guglielmi says the student told the man he found inside his garage to leave and the man accosted him. That's when Guglielmi says the student defended himself, cutting off the man's hand and causing a severe laceration to his upper body.

He says the man died on the scene, but police are not yet releasing his name.

Police are interviewing the student and others and are talking to prosecutors about whether to file charges

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THIS is the craziest thing I've read in a while...

-Akademix Esq.
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http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=665615
 
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Poliscidoc said:
I have my permit and to be honest even if you have a gun on you, its unlikely you would be able to get a off shot or even be able to defend yourself. You would have to have at least a few seconds to know you were about to be mugged.

Check this out



http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=665615
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If someone walks up to your face with a knife, I'd say that's enough time. From behind a corner or side street or whatever, yeah you're out of luck. They say you need 20' to avoid being stabbed tho. So yeah, I know what you mean.

Also, I remember that thread. I have several big swords in my room and some guns haha.
 
Man, that kind of stuff is really messed up. Baltimore is a rough place and I don't think a lot of people give it the respect (fear) it deserves. However, let's not meet hatred with more hatred. I'm not saying the guy shouldn't be punished, but let's not make it an act of hatred.
 
Poliscidoc said:
I have my permit and to be honest even if you have a gun on you, its unlikely you would be able to get a off shot or even be able to defend yourself. You would have to have at least a few seconds to know you were about to be mugged.

Check this out



http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=665615
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HAHA yesss another CCW hijack. I carry concealed everywhere, everyday of my life. I and my two friends were robbed at gunpoint in montreal, I will never feel that helpless again.
 
Dr Love said:
Steve was a good friend of mine. He was a great guy who planned to go into surgery. He even had Dr. Ben Carson recommending his application.
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That's amazing. Sounds like he had a brilliant mind.

R.I.P.
 
hmm, moving to Baltimore in about 5 days, not too thrilled about it.
 
Cypher321 said:
Which raises the ethical question, do you try your hardest to heal someone who you personally feel deserves death?
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Yes you do, so that the criminals can then spend the rest of their life in prison after being convicted. It would be extremely unethical to not try your hardest to save their life. Now keep in mind that I'm referring only to doctors who are on duty. Obviously if you're on staff somewhere and a murderer/rapist who has been shot comes into the ER, you have a legal and ethical obligation to treat them and can be held liable in civilly and possibly criminally as well.

But your post leads into a related, better question. Do doctors have a legal obligation to help someone when they aren't working or otherwise on duty? I'm not aware of any laws on the books in this country requiring you to be a Good Samaritan.

Extreme hypothetical: Let's say you're an emergency medicine physician and you hear screaming from your daughter's bedroom. You open the door and see a stranger sexually assaulting your daughter in her bedroom. When he hears the door open, he lunges at you with a knife. You are a gun owner and you have a shotgun with you. You shoot him in the chest and he falls to the ground. You call 911 to report the invasion, but you live in a rural area so they won't get there for about 15 minutes. The guy's probably a goner anyway, but maybe there's a chance you could stabilize and save his life if you started working on him right now. Do you have a legal obligation to try to save his life? Absolutely not. Do you have a moral obligation to try to save his life? That's debatable, isn't it? Some would argue that the world would be a better place with people like this not in it. The guy didn't kill anyone, so if he has three or four past misdemeanors and maybe one past felony conviction for burglary, he could be out in 15 years. He certainly won't serve more than 20. Maybe he'll come after you when he's out.

These are not easy questions, but it's a great topic for discussion in my opinion. I don't think that anyone could fault you for leaving the guy there to expire.
 
FlowRate said:
Stories like these make me want to concealed carry even tho I hate the idea of ever shooting another person.
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Unless you're a) politically connected or b) someone who regularly carries large sums of money for (legal) business purposes on them, you'll never get a concealed carry permit in Maryland. The criminals in Baltimore know this. That's why they have so many street muggings similar to this one. The law-abiding citizens of Baltimore aren't as safe as the citizens of similar-sized cities in states that have liberalized concealed carry laws.

Now some people would give you explanations about why this is the case (poverty), but some of the poorest areas of Appalachia have significantly lower crime rates than Baltimore's. Baltimore is just not a very safe city, no matter what the politicians tell you. I've been there once and I hope I never have to go back. It's a shame because most of the people there are very nice.
 
terrible news, *****s like this should get life in prison w. no parole.....you don't deserve a second chance for crimes like this
 
LawNonTrad said:
Unless you're a) politically connected or b) someone who regularly carries large sums of money for (legal) business purposes on them, you'll never get a concealed carry permit in Maryland. The criminals in Baltimore know this. That's why they have so many street muggings similar to this one. The law-abiding citizens of Baltimore aren't as safe as the citizens of similar-sized cities in states that have liberalized concealed carry laws.

Now some people would give you explanations about why this is the case (poverty), but some of the poorest areas of Appalachia have significantly lower crime rates than Baltimore's. Baltimore is just not a very safe city, no matter what the politicians tell you. I've been there once and I hope I never have to go back. It's a shame because most of the people there are very nice.
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We have concealed carry in Michigan and Detroit is worse than Baltimore. So are Flint, Pontiac, and Saginaw in terms of per-capita crime.

The social ills of urban areas are different than the social ills of scattered rural towns. You realize this already. Don't be disingenuous.
 
Something similar happened to a UIC student in the spring. A robbery turned into utter brutality. And of course, the criminals had extensive criminal history. I don't understand the police/justice system. It seems like criminals have more rights/protection sometimes.
 
The spiral of degeneration within the cities. It's only going to get worse and worse until literally the cities will become war zones. I remember going to Baltimore and getting lost and ending up in the ghetto. The first thing you see is 2 drive by bullet deaths on the street and everyone else going on with their lives. ( I was in a car thank god)

However there is no solution to this. Well ethically...
 
This is truly tragic.

As for carrying a piece, I was considering the same recently. However, I think carrying a knife on your person is probably better, knives being better for close encounters and due to the whole 20' thing. Going to school in a shady area inspired me to carry one at all times.

At the very least, you can take someone down with you.
 
morning said:
We have concealed carry in Michigan and Detroit is worse than Baltimore. So are Flint, Pontiac, and Saginaw in terms of per-capita crime.

The social ills of urban areas are different than the social ills of scattered rural towns. You realize this already. Don't be disingenuous.
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According to city-rating.com:

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Baltimore&state=MD

Baltimore has a robbery rate of 3.08 times the national average. Detroit's robbery rate is 2.86 times the national average. Baltimore also has a higher murder rate, for what it's worth, and a higher larceny rate. Both would seem to be applicable here.

When did I ever claim that the social ills were the same? I simply said that poverty is not the main explanation. We're getting off track, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

I'm not sure about the concealed carry rate in Detroit, either. I suspect that it's relatively high, but I also believe that many people carry illegally without a permit as well, so it is difficult to measure the true concealed carry rate.

Keep in mind though that Detroit is probably the most miserable city in America. Unemployment and crime are sky-high. 99% of cities would fare well when compared to Detroit. The fact that Baltimore is worse than Detroit in some metrics, and comparable in others, says a lot.
 
There is a resaon their nickname is Bodymore Murderland, they just keep beating their record of murders year after year.
 
Trexate said:
This is truly tragic.

As for carrying a piece, I was considering the same recently. However, I think carrying a knife on your person is probably better, knives being better for close encounters and due to the whole 20' thing. Going to school in a shady area inspired me to carry one at all times.

At the very least, you can take someone down with you.
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Carrying a knife is not a good idea unless you are trained in close combat techniques and know exactly where to strike. Knives don't have the stopping power of guns. If you don't know how to use your knife and you pull it out at the wrong time, it will be taken away and used against you, so I hope you've had some training.

Just saying.
 
Vermont and Minnesota have "mandatory" Good Samaritan laws that require aid at the scene of an emergency. The penalties are light though: Vermont stipulates a $100 fine, Minnesota $300 as a "petty misdemeanor."

Talk to cops and they'll tell you that these laws are virtually unenforcible. People drive past car wrecks up here too, without checking on the passengers.

Vermont hasn't got a CCW law either. As in, you can carry concealed without a permit. I wouldn't take a pistol into the federal courthouse though 🙄
 
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