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This is freakin' ironic.
What if they didn't get married until residency? What if they have been trying SINCE medical school and now, after years and thousands of dollars of fertility treatments, they're finally having a successful pregnancy? What if their program is 5 or 6 years long, should they put off their family to make YOUR life easier for a few months? What if they're a non-trad and already pushing, or into, advanced maternal age?
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Geekchick: A short answer on a forum isn't a one size fits all answer. Extenuating circumstances are extenuating circumstances.
Twentyone: Get a grip on yourself. I'd gladly cover for anyone (male OR female) that had a death in the family. Sexual intercourse isn't an accident.
You two need to relax. You also might want to look into things like condoms, birth control pills, and IUDs. I'd suggest http://www.familyplanning.org/ as a good place to start. I'll let you guys have the last word now since I'm just going to get piled upon by selfish mothers.
How bad would it be to interview at a med school while you are pregnant? If I don't get accepted this year, my fiance and I are thinking of taking the plunge. But, that means I will be pregnant during the Spring of next year (potentially during interviews). How is pregnancy looked at in interviews?
And would you know them? Probably not. Quick question, kcin. What if you end up fathering a child? Would you take any time off? If not, your SO will love that. And if you do, well, clearly, you're an inconsiderate bastard, by your own designation, right?
Also, newsflash, birth control is not fool proof, even surgical sterilization.
1) I knew a guy who's wife delivered during his intern year. You know how much time he was allowed off? One day- the day that she actually delivered. As soon as that 24 hour period was over, it was back in the saddle taking call.
2) No one forces a woman to stay pregnant. It's always the woman's choice. It's selfish to expect your other students, or your co-workers, to make up for your slackness just because you managed to get knocked up. It was your choice, and you should be an adult and accept the consequences of that decision. That may mean taking a year off from medical school. If so, that was your call. But you're a fool if you think you can give birth and then get back into that gross anatomy lab in a week. That's not at all realistic.
If you think that just because that is the way something IS, that this is proof that it SHOULD be like that....then that is worrisome.1) I knew a guy who's wife delivered during his intern year. You know how much time he was allowed off? One day- the day that she actually delivered. As soon as that 24 hour period was over, it was back in the saddle taking call.
2) No one forces a woman to stay pregnant. It's always the woman's choice. It's selfish to expect your other students, or your co-workers, to make up for your slackness just because you managed to get knocked up. It was your choice, and you should be an adult and accept the consequences of that decision. That may mean taking a year off from medical school. If so, that was your call. But you're a fool if you think you can give birth and then get back into that gross anatomy lab in a week. That's not at all realistic.
I find it VERY hard to believe that's all he was "allowed". Even if he's not guaranteed FMLA (which applies to fathers, not just mothers) because he hasn't been employed with the hospital long enough, interns still get vacation time. At the very least he could have switched days with his coworkers.
Hold up... so working women should never get pregnant, or keep a baby. Ever.
Wow.
You can think it's "selfish" all you want, but there isn't even a WORD for implying that a woman needs to terminate a pregnancy so as not to "inconvenience" her coworkers or classmates. Give me a freakin' break.
I'm a fool? Or unrealistic? I was back in classes three weeks after my daughter was born, and the only reason I was out that long was because I had her DURING winter break. Pretty damn sure I pulled straight A's that semester as well, not to mention that I beat the piss out of the MCAT a year later when I spent the majority of my study time with her in the room with me, and working, to boot. Twit.
If you think that just because that is the way something IS, that this is proof that it SHOULD be like that....then that is worrisome.
I'm scared how many people in here sound a little resentful that women are allowed to be doctors at all. Or, rather, that SINCE they are allowed to be doctors, this precludes them from having a family by way of pregnancy.
There is almost never a "good" time to get pregnant. It is the best joke in the world. Pregnancy lasts for around 40 weeks, can sometimes suck, and then generally ends with a surprise (in timing) marathon at the end.
So, guess what....you know IN ADVANCE that you are going to work with women. And, that those women may get pregnant. And, that it may cause more work for you. (BTW, at the moment, a resident I work with is covering nights for another MALE residen't who just had a baby....it isn't just the girls you need to cover for, folks). So, since you know this, and don't like it...uh....why are you choosing this job? You know legally that this is a protected right. In fact, any change that happens is most likely NOT to be in your favor (giving people more time off instead of less). So, why don't YOU opt out instead of telling people to opt out of pregnancy?
It's not a protected right unless you've been working at the institution for at least 1 year. In other words, it's not a protected right during your intern year. You have no recourse under FMLA.
How bad would it be to interview at a med school while you are pregnant? If I don't get accepted this year, my fiance and I are thinking of taking the plunge. But, that means I will be pregnant during the Spring of next year (potentially during interviews). How is pregnancy looked at in interviews?
too bad you don't have any labmates to cover for next year...True story. He was in a super high demand residency and he was only allowed 24 hours off. Choose not to believe me to your own detriment.
I think that's great that you were lucky enough to recover so quickly from your childbirth, but one birth is not like the other. Each birth is different. Even if, however, you are planning on "only" taking 3 weeks off, 3 weeks off in medical school can be a big deal. Medical school isn't undergrad. And you just got lucky having her on winter break, since you seem so obstinate about the idea of scheduling your birth. Things very well could have gone very differently for you if you would have had her, say, the week of finals as opposed to during winter break.
Anyway, I wouldn't cover for you in lab for 3 weeks. You're lucky if you find someone who would be willing to sacrifice their own chance of success just because you decided to have a baby. Maybe that person is out there. Or maybe you'll have to drop back a year. Wouldn't be the end of the world. It's just an extra year. If men could give birth, I would say the same thing. It would be sort of like a man choosing to have elective surgery in the middle of his MS1 year and then expecting his classmates to cover for him. Not everyone is going to be overflowing with sympathy for a situation that you voluntarily chose. Welcome to adulthood.
too bad you don't have any labmates to cover for next year...
Look, I don't mean to be harsh. I'm just trying to add some adult perspective to the discussion. I think it's absolutely wonderful that all of the pregnant/soon-to-be pregnant women on this forum are able to bear children. And I am not at all a misogynist. I love women! I'm actually quite the feminist.
However, I do think it's immature to assume that other people will be willing to cover for you after the birth of your baby. Part of being an adult is accepting responsibility for your actions, even if those actions are bringing another child into this world. We all make choices in our lives and have to live with those choices. Choosing to give birth is a choice. You chose to have sex, and then you chose to carry the pregnancy. You chose to become a parent. Parenthood is a wonderful journey, so I applaud everyone who embarks on it. However, your decision to become a parent should not affect any one else's situation or schooling. If it does, that's not fair. So, if it were me and my lab partner didn't pull her/his weight by being persistently absent, it wouldnt' really matter the reason, I would not be angry (because I'm not an angry person), but I wouldn't allow that to hurt me. In other words, I would request a new lab partner or speak to the professor. I know I'm not alone in this. Again, part of being an adult is realizing that we do not live in a vacuum. Our actions have consequences, even possibly consequences for those around us.
If you think that you can give birth and then be back in class the next week, I think that's amazing. Good luck. I do believe it's unrealistic, but maybe you can do that and if you can, go for it. If you can't, though, you're not a failure if you drop back a year. It's not the end of the world.
It's scary because you're pretending to know what I think based upon very limited information.
All I said is that I'd rather not have to cover for someone that became pregnant during residency. It's a selfish wish, but not nearly as selfish as the woman choosing to be pregnant during residency. I could understand if it wasn't intentional, but a little family planning could relieve co-residents of an unnecessary burden. Residency just seems like a bad time. Why not during med school or after residency? All I'm saying is a little consideration of coworkers would be a good thing.
Sometimes these things are out of one's control, and we should be supportive of their special part of our coworker's life!
I'm sorry. I didn't know we subscribed to the stork theory of pregnancy here.
edit: I think all of us on the unpopular side of this discussion would be supportive or helpful if a female coworker took a leave of absence to have a child. It would be helpful for some of the posters in this thread to remember that, and to reread what we have actually said before calling us out as misogynists. It is simply a wish to be able to live our lives at the same time. Some times are better than others to have a child, and intern year isn't one of the best times. I would feel the same about any other similar situation.
Where did you get the idea that I believe in stork theory? I'm not Brittany from Glee!
Sometimes pregnancies can be out of our control--condom misuse/failure, for one thing. I will admit that having to "pick up the slack" when a teammate is pregnant is going to definitely be a bitch, but would I support and help the other person? Yes.
No one forces a woman to stay pregnant.
Those arguing that women shouldn't have kids because it's an inconvenience to coworkers are completely preposterous. By that logic, women should stay in the kitchen where they belong or remain childless forever. There will never be a situation where a women having a child will have zero effect on her coworkers.
What if you had an option to leave your job for a better position elsewhere? That's selfish and leaves your coworkers in a lurch while they find a replacement, so you should never do that. What if you want to go on a vacation? Well then someone has to pick up your slack for a week, so you're not allowed to peace off to Hawaii.
What if your wife got really ill while you were working and you had to take time off to care for her? That's a choice too- you don't HAVE to care for her, you could hire an aid to do that. So I hope that if your spouse ever gets sick, you are at work the next day- you wouldn't want to inconvenience your coworkers.
Do you see how absurd this argument is? Women make the medical workforce a better, more diverse place. They also have lives that involve having children. There's a thing called work-life balance, and it makes everyone's work life better. That means picking up more slack sometimes so you can get the privilege of taking time off when YOU need to.
Where did you get the idea that I believe in stork theory? I'm not Brittany from Glee!
Sometimes pregnancies can be out of our control--condom misuse/failure, for one thing. I will admit that having to "pick up the slack" when a teammate is pregnant is going to definitely be a bitch, but would I support and help the other person? Yes.
Nobody ever said they'd refuse to help accommodate a co-worker in this situation.
Anyway, I wouldn't cover for you in lab for 3 weeks.
However, I do think it's immature to assume that other people will be willing to cover for you after the birth of your baby.
33 is still plenty young Check out the non-traditional forum a couple of subfora down; reading the threads there might help you come to a decision.Hi,
I have a question. I'm a 33 year female who has always wanted to be a physician. I am now at a crossroad. I'm concerned about time, family, etc. I, currently have no children, but I want a family. So I'm not sure what I should do. I have been teaching for 10 years now and I love my job and have touched many lives; however, I still have the desire to be a physician. So I don't know, I'm stressing, and time is ticking. PA school or MD/DO? Any thoughts?
That may be, but it was still her decision. In a small residency program, having someone go off service and also be out of the call pool can actually be a huge hit. It's no big deal when someone's one of thirty medicine residents, especially if someone on a clinic rotation can be pulled onto the inpatient service, but if you're a surgery resident, and one person leaving means everyone goes from Q3 call (and barely within work hours) to Q2 call, and suddenly you are looking at doing 110+ hour weeks.+ All of these reasons.
If a woman has to have a child during residency or likely not at all, it'll be a lot tougher on her than it will be on you.
You can put your BS flag away. My chief resident was taking floor calls from nurses while his wife was in L&D having contractions. He got no extra time off. You can file for official FMLA, but again, that leaves your fellow residents holding the bag.I find it VERY hard to believe that's all he was "allowed". Even if he's not guaranteed FMLA (which applies to fathers, not just mothers) because he hasn't been employed with the hospital long enough, interns still get vacation time. At the very least he could have switched days with his coworkers.
I had a baby during my fourth year of med school. I only took 4 weeks vacation after she was born and I'm graduating on time. PM me with any specific questions.
The ingredients in the frozen meal itself are probably more detrimental than the microwave.Geekchick, pregnancy guru, I have a random question for you: Just the other day at work a pregnant woman said she shouldn't stand close to running microwave ovens. She went to the other side of the room while nuking her Lean Cuisine. Does this make sense?
Give this guy a prize for most random necro-bump of the year. (and it's only June). I do believe that @Geekchick921 's kid who was merely a bun in the oven when this thread was created could answer this question now. And it is sweet to see how many of the original posters are now med students and residents.The ingredients in the frozen meal itself are probably more detrimental than the microwave.