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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Cerberus, Mar 21, 2004.
Can anyone provide evidence to the contrary?
Nope, you hit it right on the head.
I am proud to say that I have always been pre-med, but NEVER, EVER have I been A premed!
Once they get their MD, they're even worse. Welcome to hell.
Maybe I should make it my goal to destroy premeds. Maybe, I should get a career that allows me to be completely incompetetant and no absolutely nothing about anything yet still command respect from the the little premeds. Maybe, oh yes, just maybe I should become a premed advisor.
pre-med? whats that?
wouldnt that make you one too?? why do you feel this way...what is your evidence??
must have had an unforunate encounter with a gunner. many gunners. damn they are surrounding me....
If you dont understand the doucheyness of premeds than it is likely that you yourself are a douchey premed! Fear not though, I have a 12 step program that will have you douche free in 10 weeks.
way to ignore my Q...
Cereberus is a douche-bag for reasons other than being a premed.
It's a little late to be realizing this.
Pre-meds definitely are douchebags. I have always considered myself not a pre-med, but just a student who intends to go to medical school.
Umm, you ARE a pre-med yourself
Premeds are total douches. They suck.
The biggest compliment I ever got in school was a teacher not believing I was premed when I asked him for the rec and saying that I'd make him think about changing the stereotype.
When people ask if you're premed, how do you respond? I always say no because I hate being termed a premed. As someone else said earlier, I'm interested in pursuing medical school.
I think there's a difference between pre-meds who are also getting a Bachelors and pre-meds who are somewhere else in their education process but intend on going to med school. I'm sure the premed undergrads are awful. I'd probably want to drop kick most of them. And I probably would. Like how the kids on South Park always go "Kick the baby!" and the baby goes "Dont' kick the baby" and they go "kick the baby" and then they do. Who does that, Cartman?
Yep, a lot of the pre-meds I know are complete tools. I just try to ignore the gunner crap and just go for what I enjoy - and maintain a sense of humor (something not in a lot of pre-meds' vocabulary).
you all would like to go to medical school someday....that would term you pre-med. i dont understand why some of you say you are not pre-meds. although i have to admit i also hate hearing myself called that.
does nyone want to share why you find pre-meds to be douches? maybe you can tell us some stories...that would make this thread more fun...
That is a BIG reason why I stuck with Bio. It kept me away from the nerdy engineers
ROFL. I have thought the EXACT same thing. Acually, it was less "intends to go to medical school," and more "intends to pursue a career as a physician."
I almost feel ashamed to be considered A "pre-med." I refuse to let anyone know that I am, and if it's necessary, I tell them what I said above. heh.
Get a life. This thread is stupid.
I think I can positively identify some "pre-meds" posting to this thread.
What do pre-meds become if they're succesful? The personalities don't exactly change...
As someone else said, "sense of humor" is not in most of their vocabularies.
Here's a story-
So I'm sitting in lab, telling the girl at my table about my weekend or something else that's way too insignificant for her to acknowledge while she's waiting for her acid-catylzed bromination to occur (god forbid she misses one temperature reading at a 1 minute mark.) After she's done with the temperature reading, she asks if I know of any internships over summer that might help her get into med school.
"Oh. Well my GPA is kinda low and I REALLY need to do some extra work to keep my application competitive."
"Umm... you haven't even taken the MCAT yet, and I'm sure your GPA's not THAT bad (judging by your gayness). What is it?"
I moved to a different table the next week.
Just to recap - things that make her a douche:
-inablity to converse about something other than science/medicine
-considering 3.85 as "kinda low"
-lack of a sense of humor unless it's that "I lost an electron / Are you sure? / I'm positive." joke.
This thread isn't stupid. It's only saying what most "normal" students that are attempting to get into medical school are thinking.
gunners. probably radiologists later on.
brix: kyle kicks ike. sometimes he hits cartman with him too.
docmemi: premeds are douchebags b/c theyre by definition soulless bastards. the kind of people who cant relate to family guy, simpsons, real music, etc. i guess the best way to define it would be to restate what i said in another thread: people become a_ _holes when they put their bullsh!t life philosophy ahead of treating other people decently, including themselves. theyre so enamored with their mission they forget about the people around them and focus on the academics alone. mostly, they have never really just sat and talked to patients all day long, which i think is the best proof you have the capacity to doctor. the kind of person who stalls when you ask them why they wanna do it: "ive never wanted to do anything else," "ive just always wanted to help people," and any kind of mention of the money/prestige involved are good markers for premeds. i think pretty much anyone who doesnt believe in what they do.
p.s. yes, i do wanna help people too. but one of the best ways to care for people is to listen. that means asking people questions and talking about them. if this is achieved, rarely will you be asked why you want to do it, unless A) the person youre talking to is genuinely interested in you, or more likely B) you started talking about yourself again.
cerb: i think i know where youre going with this. collegiate athletics are a fantastic way to avoid becoming a premed.
Right, Kyle! I love when they do that. Is the other kids name Stan? I can never remember anyone except Cartman and Kenny.
That movie is one of my all time favorites.
yep, it's Stan.
the musical skills of trey parker and matt stone are highly underrated
You know I completely agree - I was so embarrassed when I got the soundtrack and was actually listening to it and enjoying it and singing along....I was like "damn, these guys can actually write music!" Those guys are geniunes. (genuii?)
Crewdude and Farley hit the nail on the head. Premeds see medicine as being the only goal in life. Everything is about improving your application and increasing your chances at getting into a "Top" medical school. Medicine isnt about helping people, its about feeding their pathetic ego's and one upping their classmates. Premeds have few interests outside of medicine and school. Premeds learn every minute detail of the krebs cycle but forget to learn how to be a decent human being.
well, i see. those kinds of people suck. but im sure u know not everyone trying to become a dr fits that sterotype.
Pardon me for stating the obvious, but exactly what makes you so much more of a worthy applicant than everyone else(gunners)?
Another trademark of the psychotic premed...they are REALLY secretive...They mysteriously disappear for afternoons and they are most likely doing volunteer work at like "THE MOST AWESOME PREMED ACTIVITY THAT WILL LOOK GREAT ON YOUR TRANSCRIPT" and they WON'T tell you about it...Also, they will be so secretive themselves about whether or not they are studying for orgo or not and totally ignore you when you tell them something like hey, i have an eating disorder (or something equally traumatic)..but as soon as you say something like, "I think we need to take microbiology for the MCAT," they will just totally perk up and be like "What did you say" with pencil and paper in hand....
Anyways, perhaps in defense of the premed motivation, maybe they are just have "mediocre" intelligence so they have to over-compensate by becoming psychos and all-consumed with their path to greatness...
i can say im a much more worthy applicant than everyone else b/c i got in.
cerb has other things in his life besides applying to medicine [crew, which i think is one of the better character-building sports you can do]. that he has been able to maintain the excruciating demands of the sport while applying to medicine is evidence of his dedication and his sacrifice at the same time (aka, every second hes studying for MCATs he gets slower on the erg). he is also considerably more well-opinionated than most other premeds, who dont know enough about a lot to say anything with conviction. he isnt consumed with the medical mission, as he has evidenced plenty of times in the Lounge and Everyone forums. he has an excellent sense of humor, despite going through the nerve-wracking test that is MCAT/AMCAS time. moreover, he has found himself questioning sometimes his motives for going into medicine and other careers. much like the born-again christian is typically more devout than the forever-christian, cerb has actually reasoned his way to believing in his desire to help people through medicine rather than just blindly and faithfully following what he sees as the easiest way to help people without inconveniencing his lifestyle too much (something i suspect the majority of premeds really mean when they say "i wanna help people").
i agree that you shouldnt complain if A) youre like the people youre complaining about and/or B) you dont do anything to fight the future. but cerb does exactly that: he is not like most premeds, and he is trying to change the face of medicine from the inside. hes the kind of person i want as a classmate and by my side in the OR, and fits a lot of what i think a good doctor should be.
note: not particularly attached to cerb's right nut, but i just have a lot more respect for him than other premeds on this site that i havent met in the real world.
I thought I was the only one who hated being referred to as "pre-med."
It reminds me of classrooms filled with people, in which the teacher would ask "How many of you are pre-med?" and 90% of the room raises its collective hand. And then I look around and think, "Okay, two of these people will actually make it. I'm going to be one of them. Even though my hand isn't raised."
Evil, evil pre-med! I always answer with a resounding, emphatic "No!"
Then, when people ask me what I am, I can stare blankly at them, eyes glazed over, and shrug my shoulders.
I'm a student of life. No, I don't have a 4.0, a 40T MCAT, and I haven't volunteered for <insert child-afflicting illness here> group for the last 40 years. I'm a normal person. Next, please!
Since uclacrewdude defended his bed-buddy Cerebrus , I'll leave it to myself to defend... myself.
My main problems with these "gunners" include the reasons that I listed above for why I considered the girl in my lab a "douche."
I know how to interact with people. These typical premeds seem to loathe interaction with other students unless the interaction involves something that relates to and/or will help them in their pursuit of medicine.
Watching TV, reading good books (read: not textbooks), playing sports, etc. aren't activities that they can be bothered with, especially when that precious time can be used to study!!
I've shadowed many doctors, and one of the biggest assets that each has had is the ability to talk to a patient. Not about the scientific nature of an illness or injury... just talking.
Playing golf once every couple of weeks isn't going to help me on the MCAT next month. Pop cultural awareness isn't going to get me past the boards in a few years. Hell, it's possible that neither of those is going to help me become a doctor, but unlike these gunners, that doesn't consume me.
I want to be a good doctor, and I'm sure that my current lifestyle will help me be a more worthy practitioner of medicine, if not applicant.
I'm beginning to think this is true. The biggest gunner I know (who has personally confessed that she can't have any pre-med friends because she's so competitive) is someone who always tries to look really knowledgable in every class and is a complete butt kisser to our profs, but she surprisingly told me recently that she is worried about even getting into her state school. I don't think her grades are all that good. Mind you, I wouldn't really know b/c she never volunteers her grades even when she asks me mine. When I first met her, I thought we'd be friends, but then I guess she felt threatened by me because she made the statement, "Yeah, so some people think you should just stick with research because you don't have the personality to be a doctor," and then proceeded to list other reasons why I'm not MD material. Oh well, what else would I expect from the pre-med liason president?
Thanks Crewdude! That was really nice of you to say
God how annoying about the grades..I have a friend who calls me after every single organic chem test and asks me how it went (even though she is not in my class). I mean why the heck does she even care how I did? I have another friend, when she knows that I have just had test, keeps bothering me and asking me "How is organic chem going?" so now I just don't tell her anything and say uhhh fine. I have to admit that I am curiousabout other people's grades but I have enough pride to not ask them anything and keep going on my merry way...
Any advice on how to deal with psycho premeds who just obsessively look over your shoulder to see what you are doing?
You know how else you can spot a pre-med student with no outside interests? When they register on a medical site like SDN and their screen name has "pre-med" in it!
some of the gunners you guys described disgust me. i also hate typical premeds that study 24-7. i know so many...they never go out! sometimes they call me on saturday nights when im partying drunk to ask me questions. wtf, dont they have lives or something??
i hate being considered pre med. people ask me what i'm studying, and i say biochem. if that doesn't shut me up, and they ask what do you want to do with that, usually, i'd say, i'm interested in going to medical school..
but some people do things just for the application. which bugs the hell out of me!!! i was talking to my friend about how i want to volunteer as an EMT, and this other girl butts into our convo and says "oh,t hat'd look really good on your application. where can i get training?" i just looked at her and turned back to my friend.
another time, i was in lab, and my friend asked her other friend if she could borrow her scoopula. this girl says in a really nasty voice "iit's not a scoopula, it's a microspatula." well goody two shoes for you.
and somebody said it before how they are all very secretive. it is true. most of the bio majors in my orgo class are premed, and they refuse to tell anyone anything. if somebody asks if htey can see their test to look at a problem, they'll cover up the grade at the top of the paper. like we can't see how many points you got per question anyway.
a lot of premeds have absolutely no life. all they do is study, volunteer, go to class, and talk in really high pitched annoying voices. when they tell me i should be doing more volunteer work or studying harder, i say too bad, i can't. i have to practice viola/run a 5K (which is on May 2 btw)/give a sax lesson/give ice skating lessons... any number of things that i would do that a douchey premed would never dream of doing.
I spent two quarters helping this guy in G-chem because I really understood the material. When third quarter rolled around, I started to have trouble with acid-base buffer crap and so I asked him for help. Guess what he says: "I really shouldn't help you. You'll ruin the curve." Needless to say, we weren't friends after that. I would never EVER withold help from someone who needed it and I never would have expected to be denied help in my time of need, but leave it to a premed. I go out of my way to help just to make sure that I am never thought of as one of those types of people...
that's just ridiculous.
that story really chaps my wick.
"If the glovee dont fit, the jury must acquit" ahhh thats all i got.
Geez. People can really suck sometimes.
hence the reason i had virtually no premed friends to turn to really outside of sdn when i had questions about applications....i just stayed away from them at school.