Haha..the biggest stereotype just got diminished right when people responded...
I disagree with this.
It's harder to get a good letter of rec if your prof thinks you're an idiot... and he will think the OP is an idiot if the OP goes up and asks for a lower grade.
What about when we go back and talk to a professor about points that we should have gotten and he refuses to budge?
Sometimes the system screws you, and sometimes you screw the system.
By today's standard, an honor offense is defined as an intentional act of lying, cheating or stealing which warrants permanent dismissal from the University. Three criteria determine whether or not an honor offense has occurred:
* Act: Was the act of lying, cheating or stealing committed?
* Intent: Was the act committed willfully or intentionally?
* Non-triviality: Would open toleration of such an act impair the community of trust sufficiently enough to warrant permanent dismissal from the University?
Under the honor system, the students assume full responsibility for honesty in written examinations. Examinations are not supervised. The instructor in charge distributes the examination papers, waits for a short time for any questions, and then leaves the room, returning at the end of the stated period to collect the answer books. On each examination paper, the student writes out and signs the following statement: "I pledge my honor that I have not violated the honor code during this examination.''
That's the second time in this thread you've made that claim. Could you elaborate on it? How far would you extend that? For example, many students will speak to their professor if they receive a surprisingly low final grade. On occasion, the professor will have misgraded their final exam, or made some other error which affected their final grade. Now, if a student were to receive a final grade which was surprisingly high, would they have to say, "I would have had to get a 99 on the final to get that A. There's no way I got a 99. I'd better talk to the professor and see if he made a mistake"?
If not, what's the difference? Discuss. I'm getting all farklempt.
I hope that I can clarify my stance for you.
If you think that you must have scored higher than the teacher says, ask to see the graded exam.
If the teacher returns some graded assignment and you can see that a mistake was made in adding up the points, that needs to be brought to the teacher's attention. Whether it was in your favor or not, if there was an obvious mistake in adding up the points, you should point that out.
If the grocery store clerk gives you the wrong change, wouldn't you say something? It's the same thing.
That wasn't my question. What if you think must have scored LOWER than the teacher says?.
And no, it's not the same as getting the wrong change. In that case, you have received money which belongs to someone else. The extra points are not an item which belong to the professor and must be returned.
If you really "should have gotten" the points, appeal for them. If you got points that you know you shouldn't have, it's cheating not to say anything.
Going to keep this short and sweet.
Just had our first Biochem exam. I scored a 97. However, my prof seems to have missed marking one of the multiple choice problems (there was no check or X next to it). It was 5 points, and when we went over the exam today in class, I found I had got it wrong. So, I should have a 92.
Should I tell him? This post may be laughable to some, as this is only 5 points. On one hand, I want the grade I deserve. Then again, how often do you get breaks such as this?
What should I do? Take the 97 and forget about it?
What if you appeal and nothing happens? Professors refusing to admit their mistakes is not an uncommon situation. You are assuming that professors are by and far more morally virtuous than students. I have been wronged in such a fashion and yes I appealed to higher ranks in the university. The general sentiment was 'tough luck.'
This is the worst advice I've ever seen. Are you serious?be honest to your friends, be honest to your family, but when it comes to everything else, do everything you can to gain the advantage.
Doctors are supposed to be compassionate and help people in need regardless of their personalities.
To the OP: If you don't turn yourself in, you're no different than any other cheater.
If you choose not to, you will probably delude yourself with some excuses anyway and not be effected by this moral dilemma because you already killed your insides.
This wasn't a retort, this was me saying that I'm not a doctor and he's not my patient but I guess this may have been unnecessary since I guess no one gets it.
Getting extra points(cheating, in whatever form) makes the test lose its own value and significance.
Give it a break, I took psychology.
I refrained using pretentious terms like delude and vital survival mechanism to get the main point across.
Woody Allen's Crimes and Misdemeanors showed a good example of this.
Then it would be the fault of the professor that the test lost its value and significance. It is no different than saying that someone who does research is responsible if they screw up their statistical analysis, not the end user of the results. I see no cheating on the part of the OP, and I grade people in what is often accused of being an excessively harsh manner. Of course, I also won a debate while arguing the pro side of using napalm on civilian populations (anyone wants to read the paper, PM me) so I guess my morals might be a little less "stick up ***- tractor required for extraction" than those possessed by certain other persons.
These are two different situations. The professors screwing up already happened and should not be a factor in this new situation. I don't know how you can win any debate with the way you are wording your example. I didn't have to limit my argument to one example but for the sake of my time and of how much I care, I did. Way to change subjects.
It is completely a matter of ethics (or morals, depending upon how you want to phrase it). You are arguing that to not report the error is immoral or unethical.What do your morals have to do with anything?
If you say so....I just used cold hard reason.
Haha, as my Catholic family would tell me, not telling is a lie of omission.
If you say nothing, it will constantly bother you and maybe affect your future scores or studying.
No...I believe you did since I quoted you and you seem to become clueless. The things I listed tend to throw off moral compasses. Iron throws off real compasses BTW....not the moral variety (unless you are stealing it to sell to a scrap dealer)
To the OP: If you don't turn yourself in, you're no different than any other cheater. If you choose not to, you will probably delude yourself with some excuses anyway and not be effected by this moral dilemma because you already killed your insides.
Going to keep this short and sweet.
Just had our first Biochem exam. I scored a 97. However, my prof seems to have missed marking one of the multiple choice problems (there was no check or X next to it). It was 5 points, and when we went over the exam today in class, I found I had got it wrong. So, I should have a 92.
Should I tell him? This post may be laughable to some, as this is only 5 points. On one hand, I want the grade I deserve. Then again, how often do you get breaks such as this?
What should I do? Take the 97 and forget about it?
I'm getting so tired of people posting their insignificant "ethical dilemmas" on SDN and soliciting advice. Can't people make these meaningless decisions for themselves?! SDN is supposed to be a supportive community but really do people need their hand held through every single fork in the road no matter how slight? Then again the OP is probably a troll...
This is where a lack of appreciable morals would come in handy.![]()
dont be stupid
This has got to be the most hilarious thread I have read on the pre-med forum hitherto.
The back and forths, the constant jabs, the moral polices, and the unethical characters all add to the constant humor. Thank you all for a humor-filled day.
Because I am no better than anyone here, I'll add my own two cents; after all, why not?
To OP: You have two options
1. Tell the professor. He changes the grade, or he leaves it the same. Either way, you have a A on the test, and no harm done. You work harder to impress him and you ace the class. Everyone lives happily ever after, and one day, you might actually run across a real moral issue, and we all will still be here to help you answer it.
2. Don't tell the teacher. Enjoy your grade, work harder on the next tests so you can accomplish a feeling of worth in receiving that misquoted grade. Ace the class. Everyone lives happily ever after, and one day, you might actually run across a real moral issue, and we all will still be here to help you answer it.
Either way, the world still turns.
You're welcome
There is no dilemma here. The OP should choose to inform the professor of this grading mistake. I am thoroughly disappointed by the values and thinking processes of those who recommend otherwise.
Going to keep this short and sweet.
Just had our first Biochem exam. I scored a 97. However, my prof seems to have missed marking one of the multiple choice problems (there was no check or X next to it). It was 5 points, and when we went over the exam today in class, I found I had got it wrong. So, I should have a 92.
Should I tell him? This post may be laughable to some, as this is only 5 points. On one hand, I want the grade I deserve. Then again, how often do you get breaks such as this?
What should I do? Take the 97 and forget about it?
Emphatically claiming something does not make it true. As I've already posted twice on this thread: find me a school honor code which would consider not telling the professor to be academic dishonesty.
Would you define just action as only that action which is already codified in rules or laws?
Would accepting the 5 points without telling the professor be an "honest" or "dishonest" behavior? The professor is in no position to assume a mistake was made unless he is told. He must, by default, assume that his grading was correct. To not tell the professor is to endorse his assumption and therefore allow him to believe something that is false. As a result, the action is a commission of dishonesty.
There was no action.
Emphatically claiming something does not make it true. As I've already posted twice on this thread: find me a school honor code which would consider not telling the professor to be academic dishonesty.
Physical action? No. But weighing the options and then *choosing* to do nothing is an action. The same way a lie of omission is a lie.
It doesn't matter whether or not you can find anything anywhere, the point is you are either a douche or you aren't.
Now c'mon guys. OP: I admire your honesty, it is really a pretty noble thing to do to tell the professor.
HOWEVER, I would not call it "cheating" per se if you don't. Cheating is defined as "to decieve by trickery; swindle." I do not believe that you have intentionally decieved your professor, nor have you attempted to swindle anything from him. When I think of cheating, I think of individuals who bring in their notes, copy a paper, or use other people's work. It is obvious that your intent in answering said question was not to decieve the professor; you intended to turn it in and either get the question right or to get it wrong. You only gained the knowledge to answer that question from your previous study. As such, you are not a cheater if you do not turn it in. If it is bothering you, tell the professor. This kind of thing happens WAY more often then many people think, and often times it goes the other way. If a professor fails to mark off for something, you may assume that he, for some reason, chose not to mark it off. Bottom Line: Do what you feel is the most proper thing to do.
By calling it a noble thing, you act as though it were normal to do otherwise.
No, I didn't even bother looking for a school with such a code because that would be a waste of my time.
KeyzerSoze, stop being a prick.
👎 Please, no self-righteous BS here, ok, bud!There is no dilemma here. The OP should choose to inform the professor of this grading mistake. I am thoroughly disappointed by the values and thinking processes of those who recommend otherwise.
Most of you have completed the interview process. To those who have not, if you are presented with something like this as an ethical dilemma question, please choose to tell the professor (unless you really don't want to go to that school).