Promotion While Deferred

[narcusprince]

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My question is are you promoted during your deferment? As I have a four year deferment would I enter as an 0-4 post civ residency?

 

[IgD]

No. You would be in zone during year #5 and promoted during year #6.

 

[doc4sure]

No. You would be in zone during year #5 and promoted during year #6.

Apparently during deferment you continue to build longevity. So, after 4 years in a civilian residency (or 1 in a civilian internship) you would arrive on active duty as an 03 over 4yrs (or over 1 for the intern) True??😕

 

[NavyFP]

Apparently during deferment you continue to build longevity. So, after 4 years in a civilian residency (or 1 in a civilian internship) you would arrive on active duty as an 03 over 4yrs (or over 1 for the intern) True??😕

True. The pay and promotion clock start the day you graduate from medical school. If you do a neurosurg residency or have an extended Gen surg residency (7 years w/ 2 of research) you will come back as an O4. Magic number is 6 years to make O4.

 

[doc4sure]

True. The pay and promotion clock start the day you graduate from medical school. If you do a neurosurg residency or have an extended Gen surg residency (7 years w/ 2 of research) you will come back as an O4. Magic number is 6 years to make O4.

Excellent--Thanks NavyFP

 

[NJEMT1]

Apparently during deferment you continue to build longevity. So, after 4 years in a civilian residency (or 1 in a civilian internship) you would arrive on active duty as an 03 over 4yrs (or over 1 for the intern) True??😕

What is "longevity" So you accrue yrs towards promotion but not towards pay? Is that correct?

 

[NavyFP]

What is "longevity" So you accrue yrs towards promotion but not towards pay? Is that correct?

Nope, you get time towards pay as well.

 

[Spang]

Any idea what time in rank is for O-5?

I was a line O-4 then did med school as a staff ensign, LT at graduation and got my O-4 back this October (my second year of a 5 year residency, deferred). So how long til CDR?


spang

 

[IgD]

I was a line O-4 then did med school as a staff ensign, LT at graduation and got my O-4 back this October (my second year of a 5 year residency, deferred). So how long til CDR?

This thread brings up an interesting scenario that I believe is a pitfall of military medicine. Rank and professional experience/expertise are sometimes confused. For example, an O5 fresh out of residency shows up and is selected for the department head position over another physician who is double boarded and with several years more clinical experience. The new department head doesn't really know what he is doing and causes a lot of problems.

I would argue that professional expertise/experience should *always* take priority over rank. It is an interesting debate. In another thread another poster suggested it was a bad move to replace GMOs with FPs because the medical officer would outrank the company commander. I wonder if the military would be better off just removing ranks from physicians.

 

[Spang]

I'm not sure if I fall into one of the two situations you're talking about, but rather maybe a third. A line officer (aviation) with experience as a division officer and department head who has training, admin, ops and safety officer experience may be better suited to be the department head than someone who has been staff their whole career. Just spitballing bc I'm not sure how different the two department head jobs, line v. staff would be but I'm pretty sure their are some O-5 docs who've never stood watch underway or in a OUTCONUS theater or had to issue a SITREP or bail their chief out of the brig for DUI. Then again someone who "grew up" in the medical corps is undoubtedly more familiar with the specifics of admin, etc particular to that part of the staff. Not sure.

Anywho, does anyone know the time in rank for O-5? I was curious from a pay/retirement standpoint. I don't really care what collar device I'm wearing!

spang