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Merely said:
you seem to be sheltered and are not really aware of what's going on in the world if you think that prostitution is the end of the world and a huge deal.
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Perhaps you are the one who doesn't know that much about the world. 89% of prostitutes are human trafficking victims - per the state department. As a future physician, you think it's ok to support that? Or did you find one of the prostitutes who is doing it to "put herself through college".
http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
 
Darth Doc said:
Perhaps you are the one who doesn't know that much about the world. 89% of prostitutes are human trafficking victims - per the state department. As a future physician, you think it's ok to support that? Or did you find one of the prostitutes who is doing it to "put herself through college".
http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
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This is about international prostitution, not domestic. Not that I've talked to every hooker in vegas but they seem to be trashy chicks from the area, not lady-boys smuggled from thailand.
 
TBV said:
This is about international prostitution, not domestic. Not that I've talked to every hooker in vegas but they seem to be trashy chicks from the area, not lady-boys smuggled from thailand.
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It's the idea that "lady-boys from Thailand" are the only ones sex trafficked that allows people to believe they aren't part of the global blind-eye we turn to what the UN calls "modern day slavery". In areas of legalized prostitution (like Vegas) it's proven there's an increase in human trafficking. (search pub med and google, multiple studies) Because most everyone believes that human trafficking happens in southeast Asia or some 3rd world country, they get away with it in the US too. People don't pay attention to what they see. I'm not saying there aren't some people who choose prostitution, but most are trafficked.

In the definition of trafficking, the Department of Health and Human Services includes anyone under the age of 18 (automatically sex trafficked) and anyone with a pimp. A pimp being one who controls the "sex solicitor" and abuses them if they don't make enough money. About half of sex trafficking victims are US citizens, as well as others brought in from SE Asia (15,000-50,000 trafficking victims are brought INTO the US each year, adding to the number already here being trafficked).

Human trafficking statistics from the Polaris Project: http://wiki.preventconnect.org/file/view/Human+Trafficking+Statistics+from+the+Polaris+Project.pdf

I've talked to a doc who said at 3am the South American women came to see him in the ER in DC for their STD checks and trid to get in and out as fast as possible. He knew they were trafficked, but there was no system in place for him to do anything to help them. They'd just get beaten by their traffickers (who were often in the room with them) if he tried. He just did his job.

Physicians, because of what we do, have a greater opportunity than most to do something. "Doctors Not Trained to Spot Sex Trafficking Victims": http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sex-trafficking-recognition-idUSKBN0MC1XE20150316

If you are aware and you look, you'll see it. Educate yourself.
 
Darth Doc said:
It's the idea that "lady-boys from Thailand" are the only ones sex trafficked that allows people to believe they aren't part of the global blind-eye we turn to what the UN calls "modern day slavery". In areas of legalized prostitution (like Vegas) it's proven there's an increase in human trafficking. (search pub med and google, multiple studies) Because most everyone believes that human trafficking happens in southeast Asia or some 3rd world country, they get away with it in the US too. People don't pay attention to what they see. I'm not saying there aren't some people who choose prostitution, but most are trafficked.

In the definition of trafficking, the Department of Health and Human Services includes anyone under the age of 18 (automatically sex trafficked) and anyone with a pimp. A pimp being one who controls the "sex solicitor" and abuses them if they don't make enough money. About half of sex trafficking victims are US citizens, as well as others brought in from SE Asia (15,000-50,000 trafficking victims are brought INTO the US each year, adding to the number already here being trafficked).

Human trafficking statistics from the Polaris Project: http://wiki.preventconnect.org/file/view/Human+Trafficking+Statistics+from+the+Polaris+Project.pdf

I've talked to a doc who said at 3am the South American women came to see him in the ER in DC for their STD checks and trid to get in and out as fast as possible. He knew they were trafficked, but there was no system in place for him to do anything to help them. They'd just get beaten by their traffickers (who were often in the room with them) if he tried. He just did his job.

Physicians, because of what we do, have a greater opportunity than most to do something. "Doctors Not Trained to Spot Sex Trafficking Victims": http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sex-trafficking-recognition-idUSKBN0MC1XE20150316

If you are aware and you look, you'll see it. Educate yourself.
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Thank you :bow:
 
This question is not an invalid one and I could see this becoming a problem every time you apply for something where it ask about previous misdemeanors and such.

Having said that, the hippocrisy here is the normal corporate/PC bashing from the feminazis. Any man that has ever been with a call girl is the worst of the worst, but if you are a previous terrorist, no problem. Then there is also very different types of prostitutes. I prefer the term escort myself and even the term itself is even differently looked at. There are also indications that escorts, especially the higher class ones have LESS STD's than many would think.

Of all my friends in military, medical school and so on, I cannot think of anyone that hasn't been to a private room in a strip club, unless they were gay or simply wanted to make a statement. However, we had a male " feminist" and social activist and guess what! He was later on seen driving from an Asian massage parlor, yes THAT kind of massage.

My only advice is to contact an attorney and I would also pick one specialized on health care. Corporations can drop you in a second if they ever catch you lying and they suddenly didn't like you. Don give them any pretext.
 
DrMason said:
Having said that, the hippocrisy here is the normal corporate/PC bashing from the feminazis. Any man that has ever been with a call girl is the worst of the worst, but if you are a previous terrorist, no problem.
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???

DrMason said:
Then there is also very different types of prostitutes. I prefer the term escort myself and even the term itself is even differently looked at. There are also indications that escorts, especially the higher class ones have LESS STD's than many would think.
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I don't think this is about STDs...

DrMason said:
Of all my friends in military, medical school and so on, I cannot think of anyone that hasn't been to a private room in a strip club, unless they were gay or simply wanted to make a statement. However, we had a male " feminist" and social activist and guess what! He was later on seen driving from an Asian massage parlor, yes THAT kind of massage.
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I think this says more about you/your friend circle than anything else...
 
sliceofbread136 said:
Per an individual act prostitution seems to have ALOT less potential for harm than someone driving drunk. Of course I am cis white male scum so what do I know
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Supporting an industry that thrives on human trafficking and abuse- totally not harming anyone.

Here's the thing- I'm actually not against prostitution per se, but as it stands in the US, it's an illegal business. Many of the people wrapped up in it, in fact the vast majority, are either victims of human trafficking, regularly abused, or trying to support a drug habit via any means necessary. It could be argued that you are more likely to be causing harm by supporting an industry in which the vast majority of people are suffering because you have created demand (similar to the argument for why consumption of child pornography should be punished to the fullest extent possible). Most people that drive drunk aren't going to kill someone- a small minority of them will. But nearly every person that participates in the sexual exchange of prostitution in an unregulated, illegal environment is directly or indirectly causing harm with basically every transaction.

Now, do I think either of these would make one a poor physician? No. But would I bring a guy on board that might end up in jail during medical school or residency because of their behavior, and was otherwise not the greatest human being to begin with? Also no.
 
Mad Jack said:
Supporting an industry that thrives on human trafficking and abuse- totally not harming anyone.

Here's the thing- I'm actually not against prostitution per se, but as it stands in the US, it's an illegal business. Many of the people wrapped up in it, in fact the vast majority, are either victims of human trafficking, regularly abused, or trying to support a drug habit via any means necessary. It could be argued that you are more likely to be causing harm by supporting an industry in which the vast majority of people are suffering because you have created demand (similar to the argument for why consumption of child pornography should be punished to the fullest extent possible). Most people that drive drunk aren't going to kill someone- a small minority of them will. But nearly every person that participates in the sexual exchange of prostitution in an unregulated, illegal environment is directly or indirectly causing harm with basically every transaction.

Now, do I think either of these would make one a poor physician? No. But would I bring a guy on board that might end up in jail during medical school or residency because of their behavior, and was otherwise not the greatest human being to begin with? Also no.
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So what about doing drugs? This will also indirectly "harm" people but I never hear it condemned in the same way
 
sliceofbread136 said:
So what about doing drugs? This will also indirectly "harm" people but I never hear it condemned in the same way
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You're very rarely harming your dealer. Or the guy that sells him drugs. Or the guy that sells him drugs. The harm is so far up the line it may as well be nonexistent (and often is nonexistent if you're buying American grown marijuana), much like your cell phone being made with rare elements and crystals that may as well be harvested from the blood of orphans. With prostitution, you're usually zero to one degrees of separation from the harm. I would also state that I'd be leery of a drug history if it were more than one offense, just as I'd be leery of a drunk driving history, as that could end up being an unreliable person that lands themselves in jail or loses their ability to obtain a DEA license. One time you can get away with damn near any minor charge if there's enough time between the event and application, but more than once and you're pretty much boned because you've shown a pattern.
 
Darth Doc said:
Perhaps you are the one who doesn't know that much about the world. 89% of prostitutes are human trafficking victims - per the state department. As a future physician, you think it's ok to support that? Or did you find one of the prostitutes who is doing it to "put herself through college".
http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/38790.htm
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No, that is why I said sometimes it's harmful and sometimes it isn't. In the cases where the prostitute wants to be there, it's not so bad...
 
Merely said:
No, that is why I said sometimes it's harmful and sometimes it isn't. In the cases where the prostitute wants to be there, it's not so bad...
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But how exactly does one figure out "when the prostitute wants to be there?" How do we know whether or not each individual transaction is harmful? If we can't figure that out, then every interaction would mean potentially contributing to the demand for sex trafficking. And if that's the case, then doesn't it mean that every interaction is actually harmful?
 
jw3600 said:
Yesssss. Another thread where atomi can explain to us why sex is worse than theft, property destruction, and using a 3000 lb vehicle while ****faced. I love these little opportunities.
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Yessssss. Another thread with an absolutely disgusting response from you. There is a difference between normal sex and sleeping with 100 people in a year, prostitution, etc. Reasonable people can see this. There are a few basic things you're expected to get right in this life. Not screwing everything with a pulse without a second thought is one of them.
 
Mad Jack said:
Supporting an industry that thrives on human trafficking and abuse- totally not harming anyone.

Most people that drive drunk aren't going to kill someone- a small minority of them will. But nearly every person that participates in the sexual exchange of prostitution in an unregulated, illegal environment is directly or indirectly causing harm with basically every transaction.
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Glad to see someone gets it.
 
atomi said:
Yessssss. Another thread with an absolutely disgusting response from you. There is a difference between normal sex and sleeping with 100 people in a year, prostitution, etc. Reasonable people can see this. There are a few basic things you're expected to get right in this life. Not screwing everything with a pulse without a second thought is one of them.
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How is what I do with myself any of your business?
 
MamaPsalmist said:
WTF?! You people need new friends and new boundaries. Prostitution, either as a buyer or seller, is not ordinary. And if your drunken parties typically turn into 'nightmares' like this you should maybe visit an AA meeting. Not. Normal.
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That horse of yours, ain't high 'nuff,
 
quickfeet said:
The jokes are bad in this thread. Can we give him a serious answer? I can imagine a PD somewhere can provide info about how residencies conduct criminal background checks, etc.

Can you obtain a residency if you get a DUI, for example? I would tend to see getting a DUI as way worse than soliciting a prostitute.
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DUI still gets you into a residency. I know of 2...
 
sunealoneal said:
???



I don't think this is about STDs...



I think this says more about you/your friend circle than anything else...
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Yleio381 said:
But how exactly does one figure out "when the prostitute wants to be there?" How do we know whether or not each individual transaction is harmful? If we can't figure that out, then every interaction would mean potentially contributing to the demand for sex trafficking. And if that's the case, then doesn't it mean that every interaction is actually harmful?
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No
 
The Knife & Gun Club said:
I could see a drunken weekend at mardi gras or las vegas turning into a nightmare like this...
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I need the story behind this, because I lived in New Orleans for 4 years, participated in Mardi Gras as fully as physically possible and never got close to ending up with a prostitution charge.
 
DrMason said:
This question is not an invalid one and I could see this becoming a problem every time you apply for something where it ask about previous misdemeanors and such.

Having said that, the hippocrisy here is the normal corporate/PC bashing from the feminazis. Any man that has ever been with a call girl is the worst of the worst, but if you are a previous terrorist, no problem. Then there is also very different types of prostitutes. I prefer the term escort myself and even the term itself is even differently looked at. There are also indications that escorts, especially the higher class ones have LESS STD's than many would think.

Of all my friends in military, medical school and so on, I cannot think of anyone that hasn't been to a private room in a strip club, unless they were gay or simply wanted to make a statement. However, we had a male " feminist" and social activist and guess what! He was later on seen driving from an Asian massage parlor, yes THAT kind of massage.

My only advice is to contact an attorney and I would also pick one specialized on health care. Corporations can drop you in a second if they ever catch you lying and they suddenly didn't like you. Don give them any pretext.
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Of all my friends in the military, undergrad, bartenders, and surprisingly, who were drug dealing, literally only one of them has ever admitted going to a prostitute for sexual services.
Sounds like you had quite the social group.
 
Demosthenes1 said:
Of all my friends in the military, undergrad, bartenders, and surprisingly, who were drug dealing, literally only one of them has ever admitted going to a prostitute for sexual services.
Sounds like you had quite the social group.
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I said nothing about prostitute. Did you read my post? Do you KNOW how to read?

All your friends have never been in a strip club. Yeah, you are indeed a politically correct prude to the hilt, it appears.
 
DrMason said:
I said nothing about prostitute. Did you read my post? Do you KNOW how to read?

All your friends have never been in a strip club. Yeah, you are indeed a politically correct prude to the hilt, it appears.
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You're both a grown man who used the term "feminazi," and where I'm from the implications of "back room with a stripper" include sexual services.
I am a fairly good reader.
 
Demosthenes1 said:
where I'm from the implications of "back room with a stripper" include sexual services.
I am a fairly good reader.
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In order to read, you must know the writing. Weren't you the guy who had all those friends who were so free of sin?

Maybe you had a Viennese slip there?
 
DrMason said:
In order to read, you must know the writing. Weren't you the guy who had all those friends who were so free of sin?

Maybe you had a Viennese slip there?
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I've never heard that phrase used before, though I have indeed been to an Austrian wedding.
I'm actually completely lost now, what are you trying to infer?
 
Bobdabuilda14 said:
Would a misdameanor prostitution charge affect residency/dea/student loans?
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I would say that is going to not look very good at a school with a religious affiliation.

Then again there is a student at Duke who is a pornographic actress and is a still a student there in a good academic standing. Duke is a conservative religious affiliated school.

Drug charges and convictions affect student loans.
 
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Seth Joo said:
I would say that is going to not look very good at a school with a religious affiliation.

Then again there is a student at Duke who is a pornographic actress and is a still a student there in a good academic standing. Duke is a conservative religious affiliated school.

Drug charges and convictions affect student loans.
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Oh my god! A pornographic actress? That's horrible! Which websites is she on so I can avoid them
 
Psai said:
Oh my god! No! A pornographic actress? That's horrible! Which websites is she on so I can avoid them
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She's in the undergrad, not med school.

Easily findable by just google "Duke pornstar"

Her stage name is Bella Knox I believe, I've got a couple friends at Duke who know her lol
 
Psai said:
Oh my god! A pornographic actress? That's horrible! Which websites is she on so I can avoid them
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Apparently its not affecting her academic career at Duke at all, for a while she was viewed as an outcast, but the initial controversy passed. She was interviewed by the media and explained she did it to pay for her expenses at Duke which costs over $47,000 a year, her family does not have the finances to pay for her education.
 
Bobdabuilda14 said:
Would a misdameanor prostitution charge affect residency/dea/student loans?
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A prostitution charge should get an individual expelled from the academic institution entirely. Such activity is unprofessional and morally obtuse.

All the best.

-Mr G
 
Mad Jack said:
Supporting an industry that thrives on human trafficking and abuse- totally not harming anyone.

Here's the thing- I'm actually not against prostitution per se, but as it stands in the US, it's an illegal business. Many of the people wrapped up in it, in fact the vast majority, are either victims of human trafficking, regularly abused, or trying to support a drug habit via any means necessary. It could be argued that you are more likely to be causing harm by supporting an industry in which the vast majority of people are suffering because you have created demand (similar to the argument for why consumption of child pornography should be punished to the fullest extent possible). Most people that drive drunk aren't going to kill someone- a small minority of them will. But nearly every person that participates in the sexual exchange of prostitution in an unregulated, illegal environment is directly or indirectly causing harm with basically every transaction.

Now, do I think either of these would make one a poor physician? No. But would I bring a guy on board that might end up in jail during medical school or residency because of their behavior, and was otherwise not the greatest human being to begin with? Also no.
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You should be careful. I find myself agreeing with you. (run)

But to add to your point, while keeping in mind I support legalization, it's more than a little ****ed up hiring a prostitute today in the US. There have been studies, and something like 90%+ were previously victims of sexual abuse while under the age of 14. You're literally paying somebody to re-enact their trauma for your own amusement.

Is it always that scenario? Of course not. We're fairly sure the girl who lives next door to us is a prostitute (the old lady straps blinders on me when I go out, don't worry), and she seems normal. But you can't tell, and with odds like that, I maintain that rolling those dice takes a certain kind of sociopathy.
 
Pacna said:
You should be careful. I find myself agreeing with you. (run)

But to add to your point, while keeping in mind I support legalization, it's more than a little ****ed up hiring a prostitute today in the US. There have been studies, and something like 90%+ were previously victims of sexual abuse while under the age of 14. You're literally paying somebody to re-enact their trauma for your own amusement.

Is it always that scenario? Of course not. We're fairly sure the girl who lives next door to us is a prostitute (the old lady straps blinders on me when I go out, don't worry), and she seems normal. But you can't tell, and with odds like that, I maintain that rolling those dice takes a certain kind of sociopathy.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotSoDifferent
 
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