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🙄 The difference is I base my opinions on critical analysis, making them easier to defend.
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🙄 The difference is I base my opinions on critical analysis, making them easier to defend.
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Members of this very forum happen to be adcom from my own medical school and I don't think they take sdn as a 'non-professional setting' especially since a lot of critical information is exchanged in regards to applying to medical school, adjusting, step 1 & 2, residencies and lots more.
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That's like saying that if the president is wearing casual clothing that he's no longer the president.
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No that is true.
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Wow...just wow.
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Why are doughnuts called doughnuts if they have no nuts?
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The ching-chong girl was an undergraduate matriculated into the school. If it had just been an acceptance, your analogy would fit. Also, why can't ACOM have higher standards than UCLA?
I'm not without empathy for the OP. I have likely said some things I regret at some point during some online interaction. However, people here keep forgetting that the person in question had "ACOM Class of 2017" as a signature and links to the ACOM fb group that he was moderating. Unfortunately, this created the disastrous mix of him representing the institution, whether he intended it or not. At this point, whatever he says has a direct link back to the institution, so the institution is perfectly within its right, perhaps even duty (to other fellow students, faculty and investors), to be critical of the OP and rescind his acceptance if they perceive his actions are antithetical to their values and rules.
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Why is a zebra called a zebra if it never touches boobs?
some things just dont make sense man
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well its a shame this isnt a hoax. i wonder what he must be feeling right now. especially after all of his family and friends knew he was going to ACOM.
i still think theres more to this that what we are being told. the letter mentioned something about the possibility of them informing authorities. either there is something else or ACOM is over reacting. its a shame ACOM did this right before thanksgiving and didnt give him a chance to state his case.
if he is reading this right now, youre best option is to try to get back some of the interviews you cancelled. im sure one of those schools may reconsider. if not, lay low for a year and reapply day one next year. work on your application and do something with your time.
and for anyone considering ACOM or any other med school, dont reveal your personal information online
i still think theres more to this that what we are being told. the letter mentioned something about the possibility of them informing authorities. either there is something else or ACOM is over reacting. its a shame ACOM did this right before thanksgiving and didnt give him a chance to state his case.
if he is reading this right now, youre best option is to try to get back some of the interviews you cancelled. im sure one of those schools may reconsider. if not, lay low for a year and reapply day one next year. work on your application and do something with your time.
and for anyone considering ACOM or any other med school, dont reveal your personal information online
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Why is a zebra called a zebra if it never touches boobs?
well played sir!
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I agree ACOM should have no lower standards than UCLA they are both accredited US medical schools and both have standards. I think the school made a decision which is their right, the only problem I have is the way the school approached the decision. The school made the final decision prior to contacting the defendant and thus did not get both sides of the story but then again the evidence could have been so serious that the school wanted to immediately break off ties. They replied back to my email showing no interest in my portrayal of his character they were pretty much like sorry we made a final decision but thanks for the letter any ways.
Now that I think about it, I think there are some things that person didn't tell us. It was mentioned that ACOM threatened to call the authorities and that leads me to believe that the original poster left some gaps in the story. No one will threaten to call the authorities unless you make remarks or comments that portray some form of violence. I have a bad feeling even though I didn't see it myself that threats were made and the school took those threats on the social network very seriously which is their prerogative. Everyone knows that school shootings and violence has been going on Virginia tech, Oakland nursing school are big ones that come to mind. As extreme as this may sound no school wants to take a risk especially when thousands are lined up begging for a seat.
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With what has happened I will refrain from applying to ACOM. I probably wouldn't have, anyway. Since this is real, I am 100% certain that something happened or was said that was certainly over the line (that we don't know about).
With that said, I think any random high school administration could have handled the situation better than ACOM did. I probably won't link my mdaps now, and might refrain from posting altogether during the application cycle next year.
While the guy had it coming, ACOM handled this completely unprofessionally. That's their business, but they won't receive any interest from me.
With that said, I think any random high school administration could have handled the situation better than ACOM did. I probably won't link my mdaps now, and might refrain from posting altogether during the application cycle next year.
While the guy had it coming, ACOM handled this completely unprofessionally. That's their business, but they won't receive any interest from me.
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I hope ACOM loses their accreditation. What a bunch of amateur hour losers. Someone being mean on the internet, oh no!
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Oh, no...you and Bacchus said the same thing...both were helpful. (I was just acknowledging that she answered me too...)
I was joking that it seems funny that SDN finds it egregious to bring up someones name and pin it to a matter that he has plastered all over the forum and Facebook.
Come on Specter...I know we cool 😉
I'm not a she. That's Jennifer Nettles, one of the best country music vocalists this era. Jus' saying.
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I'm still not sure how the school gets to be the absolute bad guy in this. We do not know everything that happened and it had to have been pretty serious for things to go this far. Granted, telling him the day before Thanksgiving and then not letting him contact the school was a little harsh...but remember guys we do not know everything that transpired.
Despite the hard work and sacrifices we're all putting into our aspirations, none of us deserve anything and the schools still reserve the right to rescind applications on whatever grounds they believe are valid. If they have a vision of what kind of student body they want and someone gave them reason to believe (even after they accepted him) that he did not fit this mould....I don't see why they wouldn't take swift and decisive action. It sucks for all involved, but thats the way things go down in real life (which apparently the internet is not 🙄)
I daresay we all have done things online which we hope never see the light of day 😉 That is why you stay anonymous while doing them. If you're going to make yourself visible, then you have to deal with whatever conclusions are drawn about you, online or not.
Despite the hard work and sacrifices we're all putting into our aspirations, none of us deserve anything and the schools still reserve the right to rescind applications on whatever grounds they believe are valid. If they have a vision of what kind of student body they want and someone gave them reason to believe (even after they accepted him) that he did not fit this mould....I don't see why they wouldn't take swift and decisive action. It sucks for all involved, but thats the way things go down in real life (which apparently the internet is not 🙄)
I daresay we all have done things online which we hope never see the light of day 😉 That is why you stay anonymous while doing them. If you're going to make yourself visible, then you have to deal with whatever conclusions are drawn about you, online or not.
applicants are not entitled to due process/appeals like matriculated students, but you'd think something important like this would include a contact for the recipient to authenticate.
and as demonstrated in the original thread, anyone can gin up an official looking document.
so, i still don't think it happened.
and as demonstrated in the original thread, anyone can gin up an official looking document.
so, i still don't think it happened.
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i think there is a case to be made for the way the school handled this.
1. If the school had already made their decision what's to gain from withholding that information from the applicant? If they had waited until monday to send the email then the applicant (particularly in this case given his post history) would have gone around at thanksgiving telling every member of his family that he was going to this particular med school. if anything i think the school saved him a significant amount embarrassment by informing him as soon as they had made their decision.
2. the "please don't contact us" bit may be closely related to the "informing authorities" part of the letter.
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I still dont get why 'king of the hill' doesnt get in trouble for their content.
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I guarantee you that if I saw a racist or otherwise major league unprofessional post here from one of my interviewees, and that I could identify him/her as one of my interviewees, I'd go right to my Dean, and Dean of Admissions, and show said post to them, in order to get their accaptance retracted.
As I have posted previously, we take professionalism very seriously.
As I have posted previously, we take professionalism very seriously.
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Unprofessional is the way the person involved in this acted. If the actions of that person were harsh enough to merit their acceptance to be rescinded, there might be no need to "get his side of the story." Sometimes actions speak for themselves and aren't based on interpretation and misunderstandings; threats and racism fall under this category. I do, however, think the school should have had the courtesy to at least call him about it.
That's ridiculous. You can't go around with the school's name attached to you and saying racially offensive things. In addition, there's an accusation of threats that the school says they may forward the authorities. It's not about being mean.
I see that a lot of people here want to make a martyr out of the person in question, but don't lose sight of the fact that he brought it upon himself. There are serious accusations of threats and racism. Also, I don't think this thread should be deleted. Pretending history doesn't happen is ridiculous, and it should stand at least for a testament of the reality that this can happen to anyone.
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The way they handled this was classless. If you're going to dump someone, you don't do it via email. They went out on dates, via an application and secondary (he paid, had to lol)...he was then invited to meet the family at the interview....and they got engaged to be married when he dumped his other girlfriends.
A courtesy call to say "hey, we found out you have a second life as an internet bamf and can't go through with it" would've sufficed.
I have a feeling this is going to make it the "Baggage" show, hosted by.....you guessed it, Jerry Springer
A courtesy call to say "hey, we found out you have a second life as an internet bamf and can't go through with it" would've sufficed.
I have a feeling this is going to make it the "Baggage" show, hosted by.....you guessed it, Jerry Springer
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You make some good points and makes logical sense. During thanks giving everyone bombards me about school and the last thing you want is to talk about a school you will attend to your entire family just to find out your acceptance was rescinded the business day after the holiday. I still think it wouldn't have hurt ACOM to at least call the guy and speak to each other like adults instead of rushing through the decision process. I have a good feeling thanks giving might have pushed the school to make a quick decision instead of dragging the whole thing.
He was a very provocative member of SDN. As wild of an assumption this may be, knowing previous posts of him man I wouldn't be surprised if he sent an email threatening to beat up the fellow future classmate he got into an argument with on facebook lol so the whole informing authorities and please stay away from us makes sense
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Honestly, without knowing what fully transpired, you can't really put the blame on either party.
On one side, you have the poster who obviously put some stupid things. How bad was it? We don't know.
On the other side, you have the school. Depending on what the posts were about, this could range from over-reaction to justified. If there were threats involved towards someone or a race, that is justified.
We hide behind the anonymity of the internet and rarely have to deal with the results of what we say. That is the beauty and the curse of the internet. You are free to truly speak your mind. However, when what is being said could potentially lead to real-world harm, the anonymity can no longer protect you.
At this current time, without knowing what truly transpired, I think it is unfair to judge either party. All we can say for sure is that the original poster will be infamous.
On one side, you have the poster who obviously put some stupid things. How bad was it? We don't know.
On the other side, you have the school. Depending on what the posts were about, this could range from over-reaction to justified. If there were threats involved towards someone or a race, that is justified.
We hide behind the anonymity of the internet and rarely have to deal with the results of what we say. That is the beauty and the curse of the internet. You are free to truly speak your mind. However, when what is being said could potentially lead to real-world harm, the anonymity can no longer protect you.
At this current time, without knowing what truly transpired, I think it is unfair to judge either party. All we can say for sure is that the original poster will be infamous.
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You make some good points and makes logical sense. During thanks giving everyone bombards me about school and the last thing you want is to talk about a school you will attend to your entire family just to find out your acceptance was rescinded the business day after the holiday. I still think it wouldn't have hurt ACOM to at least call the guy and speak to each other like adults instead of rushing through the decision process. I have a good feeling thanks giving might have pushed the school to make a quick decision instead of dragging the whole thing.
He was a very provocative member of SDN. As wild of an assumption this may be, knowing previous posts of him man I wouldn't be surprised if he sent an email threatening to beat up the fellow future classmate he got into an argument with on facebook lol so the whole informing authorities and please stay away from us makes sense
We have nothing to indicate that this decision was rushed through...
The fact that they sent him an email day before Thanksgiving doesn't mean they had not been thinking about it/ and or carrying out an investigation. Plus how is it that emails are not an approrpiate form of communication anymore? Some people get emails for important things good or bad.
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I agree...Free to speak and Free to accept the repercussions of your actions/words.
And while the retraction of the acceptance is important and an obvious line-in-the-sand; I think that as an educational institution it is the responsible thing to instruct the applicant as to the "why" and "what". Additionally, it might be in the best interest of the school and perhaps other institutions to address this on SDN. I really think this is a learning experience for all involved and every member of this forum.
In my experience in the work place (non-trad), I have seen this similar situations. For example a local hospital released a nurse for bashing their supervisor on Facebook. The real world is not tolerate of hate, even jokes that are meant to be funny have a way of hurting someone. I argued with an employer many years ago about perception and that when everything is all said-and-done, it is perception that is the lasting memory. While things you say may not be hurtful, if they are perceived that way you will suffer. When I was in sales I had to take a class on 'embracing inclusion'. I figured it to be a joke. Nope. Very real.
What a life lesson this is to everyone. A sad but seemingly necessary lesson.
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If you look at the facebook incident he had and the day before thanks giving it was just a matter of days. I personally in my opinion think it's rushed if you're taking a few days to make such a major decision without speaking to the defendant but to each their own.
Again I know he was not a medical student but in medical school things like this take weeks if not months. We just had a student who insulted a faculty member 2 months ago and it took the school 8 weeks to complete an investigation and place the student on probation so my thought process is a little different from others.
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And the saga continues....Cereal, lets let the dead horse alone already.
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Then it must have, like you said, been something pretty serious for them to act this quickly. Especially if you consider the 'don't contact us" and "notifying the authorities" parts. Somehow I find it hard to believe a school would overreact to this extent.
Things are going to have to change and new rules are going to have to be defined. The internet is becoming so much a part of who we are and what we do, it will be pretty much impossible to separate our online persona's from our real life persona's, if that ever was the case.
Someone here already said that truly tolerant, respectful people irl do not suddenly become raving lunatics online and anonymity does give people a boldness and license that they would not have in real life.
And we're still just speculating on this case.... We really should leave it be.
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What is your particular stake in the matter? I understand certain people may wish to let this die but I think in no way should this situation be ignored. This is a lessen to all SDNers that what you say in here and on facebook and wherever else on the interwebs has repercussions. SDN is not a place for trolling especially trolling of the racist, sexist, and sometimes violent variety which this particular person was known for.
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I agree but in all honesty I'm going to make sure to bring this awareness to everyone. We all didn't think that social media would play such a devastating role in someone's life and I just want to make sure that this never ever happens to anyone again especially no one from SDN. I remember till this day the feeling I had when I was accepted to medical school and I can't ever imagine that being taken away from me. In respect of the defendant I'm not bringing up any names but I think it's our obligation to let everyone know that social network indeed can play a role in someone's demise.
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It makes sense. Why would you want someone like that as a doctor--providing care for the diverse US population.
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how is this any different than everyday decisions to accept/reject someone? they can reject you for any reason they want (except of course those reasons protected by law like race, religion, etc). schools don't justify every admissions decision they make nor do they have to. in this case, unfortunately for them they decided that they made a mistake in admitting this person once more information about his personality came to light and decided to reverse their decision. though certainly more dramatic it is no different than rejecting an applicant post-interview.
He's not a defendant. he's an applicant who hadn't even paid his deposit to hold his spot in the class. i'm assuming that that school, like any other school, provides acceptances on a provisional basis. One provision that can get your acceptance rescinded is not completing your current degree but they really can pull your acceptance in light of any new information they receive.
if legal action is taken against him though he will be a defendant soon enough.
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the only way to make sure this never happens again is if people start cleaning up their acts and refrain from blatantly inappropraite and unprofessional behavior on these forums. Yeah I have a lot of opinions that I am not afraid to share and will admit wholeheartedly that I have said things on here that are rude and crass but attacking another SDNer with wack racist jokes.... there is a line and he obviously crossed it.
I can't imagine what legal action they would take besides something along the lines of a restraining order, which would legally bar him from contacting the school as they stated in this letter.
I've always been careful posting questionable information on the Internet because of how easy it is to trace back to someone. But I'm sure now everyone here and in the future will seriously consider what they reveal about themselves online. Not everyone you meet in life will be your friend 🙁
Also, the school doesn't need to give any information out other than what they already did. The more info given out, the more rope others have to yank at the school. Since we know nothing exactly about why the school did this, we are all left in the dark and the school doesn't need to waste time and resources defending itself. They don't need to come on here to explain anything about the dangers of social media. It's common sense we should respect one another. Follow that and none of us will have a problem.
The way I see it is like being hired for a job. Typically you're put on a 3-6 month probationary period, and during that time, the job can fire you for anything. You aren't protected by the company's policies and procedures. In this same way, he who isn't named was also not protected and faced swift action and termination of his position. This is how the real world works...
I've always been careful posting questionable information on the Internet because of how easy it is to trace back to someone. But I'm sure now everyone here and in the future will seriously consider what they reveal about themselves online. Not everyone you meet in life will be your friend 🙁
Also, the school doesn't need to give any information out other than what they already did. The more info given out, the more rope others have to yank at the school. Since we know nothing exactly about why the school did this, we are all left in the dark and the school doesn't need to waste time and resources defending itself. They don't need to come on here to explain anything about the dangers of social media. It's common sense we should respect one another. Follow that and none of us will have a problem.
The way I see it is like being hired for a job. Typically you're put on a 3-6 month probationary period, and during that time, the job can fire you for anything. You aren't protected by the company's policies and procedures. In this same way, he who isn't named was also not protected and faced swift action and termination of his position. This is how the real world works...
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Social Media play a central role in pretty much everybody's life. It's a little naive for lack of a better term to think it has no effect. People have gotten into trouble for revealing their *******ery on other forums. (That btw is not meant to flame you or anything.)
Perhaps a more general discussion on online persona's, respect and tolerance in all situations and internet etiquette is in order?
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I had hoped and prayed for his sake that this will all be nothing but a disgusting prank. I have never met him but we had stayed in contact via PMs throughout the cycle. While I was disappointed in some of his posts, I really don't think he deserved to have his acceptance taken away in such a classless manner. It feels like a friend just went through a tragedy and there is nothing I can do to help. 🙁
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There are 11 unread pages since the last time I read this thread and I'm too lazy to read them all. I assume someone posted about the letter?
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Well that's assuming the pre-thanksgiving incident was the first of such incidents.
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I'm would think harassment and depending on what he said with regard to race, perhaps a hate crime...purely speculation though
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I think we should curtail this discussion to what is going on in MedPR's signature lmao
Possible. Those things are solely dependent on the state and I doubt any of us know too much about that specific state to comment on how easy it is to legally block someone from any form of contact.
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My momma always said, "Someone is ALWAYS watching, so act accordingly!"
Can we end this little soap opera now?
Can we end this little soap opera now?
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Goro, my bf and I says worse things to each other jokingly. And it's absolutely hilarious. The man made a sarcastic joke on the internet. He did not advocate joining the wolksfront or KKK or lynching people.
This is unprofessional behavior on behalf of ACOM. And like Mehd school, I wouldn't apply there, albeit I have applied anyways.
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