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Rads vs. Anesthesia

Discussion in 'Clinical Rotations' started by Cuts, Feb 5, 2002.

  1. Cuts

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    This is my perception thusfar: similar incomes, lifestyles, prestige, hours, call, difficulty of residency training (please feel free to comment on this view). Why then, is Rads so much more competitive than Anesthesia nowadays? It can't all be attributed to Dr. Polk's book can it? Sometimes, I almost feel as if I'm going for Rads as my #1 and Anesthesia as my #2 simply b/c it SEEMS like Rads is more desirable by everyone else! Your opinions are welcome and appreciated.
     
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  3. rad

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    no certified nurse radiologists
     
  4. Test Boy

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    Are you sure anesthesia is considered prestigious? I'm not sure about that.
     
  5. jackjinju

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    Not to jump on anyone, but why would ANYONE go into a field, or choose between fields, based on which one is more prestigious? Trying to impress your friends? Insecure? I don't get it. :rolleyes:
     
  6. John90210

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    I can't believe I am reading this. You should never pick a career based on those "subjective" calculations. Follow your heart and interests, not money or prestigious or easy call. Follow your interests and what excites you. You will NEVER lose using this method. All doctors make a great living. All of them are in a prestigious field. But NOT all of them are happy. Think about why that is!
     
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    I meant "objective" in that above post.
     
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    I think that anest. is less competive due to the uncertain job outlook. With the influx of CRNA's the number of anesthesiologists needed is decreasing. As for the prestige of the field, I think it is comparable to radiology. I think both tend to be looked down upon by surgeons and other specialists who feel all they do is sit in a dark room reading x-rays, or sit in the OR monitoring vital sgins. Incidently, excluding the surgical subspecialties, these two fields are some of the highest paying specialties.
     
  9. DON'T pick a field because it's perceived as more prestigious, or more competitive...

    Remember- you have to practice your specialty every day for the rest of your life!!!!!!
     
  10. droliver

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    If your choice has come down to two such very different fields, it sounds like that you really have no idea what you want to do.
     
  11. Acro Yali

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    I don't get it. Why do the people who want to go into Radiology all sound like this. I was talking to several people in my class who also want to go into radiology and they all sound like the guy who posted the first post. Ask any one of them why they want to go into radiology and one thing very curious will happen; they will always mention the prestige, the lifestyle, the money,...etc, but they ALWAYS leave out "personal interest" as their motivation to go into radiology, which leads me to think, if they are not really interested in what they do, then why would they want to do it? For me, I have to find something at least moderately interesting to make it an interesting work. I can't imagine forcing myself to go into...I don't know... say OB/GYN, for money, prestige, or lifestyle, when I don't like crying babies and screaming mothers. I am confused. Is this because radiology attracts the same type of personality in all medical schools?
     
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    I agree. While the money is nice, private sector radiologists work pretty hard nowadays to earn that $$$. So, I feel this cushy impression most medical students have is not accurate anymore. I never thought that being a radiologist was prestigious. I thought being a doctor was. My reasons are simple... I know I like pictures. I know I am a very visual person, observant, and have a good photo memory. I like technology and it's ever accelerating pace of development. I like being the doctor's doctor, if you will, a consultant. And, most importantly, I know I can be very good at radiology.
     
  13. Cuts

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    To John90210, MD inmay, and especially Acro Yali... congratulations on your philanthropic and selfless motives behind choosing your respective specialites. Unfortunately, I for one hold the opinion that it is extremely difficult, maybe even impossible, and bordering on foolish for one to choose what he wants to do for the REST OF HIS LIFE based on what he's "interested" in. I suppose the few weeks that you spent on the clerkship or elective of your respective fields during medical school is entirely and accurately representative of PRACTICING that speciality IN THE REAL WORLD for the rest of your career, right? Select a speciality using this criteria, and years down the road, you may indeed be happy with what you choose, but then again, maybe not... then what? I prefer to make my decision based on facts, not subjective "feelings." Naivete now could pay dearly in the future... just one man's opinion.
     
  14. rad

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    agree with cuts. radiology is a very flexible career. If you want a 9-5 schedule without call there are plenty of outpatient imaging center jobs and others that will allow this. If you want to to interact with patients more than the average diagnostic rads. then you can do IR or even NeuroIR or work at a breat imaging center doing all types of procedures. If you want to you can work from home. You can have a job where you have 17+ weeks of vacation and enjoy your personal life. But then again if you want to treat high blood pressure, diabeties, and do appies at 4:00 am then you are out of luck :)
     
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    OMG, here it goes again. No one is saying that people should only choose a specialty based on interest alone. If that is the case, how many people who put in the time and the resources to go through this whole med school/residency thing while there are other things that might be of more "personal interest." What I said was that "personal interest" should at least be a part of why people choose their specialties. Maybe its just the few people who I talked to, who give me the impression that people who are interested in rad seems to throw personal interest out of the window and place a heavier emphasis on other motivations (I know I am going to be flamed for this sentense but that is the impression that I got...blame the people who I talked to). But if you find rad interesting for one reason or the other, rock on!
     
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  17. Voxel

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    Reasons why radiology is popular:

    1) Intellectually stimulating. You have to know every disease that can diagnosed using imaging in every field including their subspecialties. You have to know anatomy in 2D/3D. You get to be a doctor's doctor and help them in the work-up of their patient. That is one of the most gratifying feelings as a radiologist (in my opinion).

    2) Your career can be very flexible if you are willing to give up certain things.
    A. If you want to work 9-5, you can in academia or private practice, just don't expect to make anywhere near private practice PARTNER salary (I'm talking 1/2 to 1/3 that partners make. This option is very attractive to women (or Men who want to be Mr. Mom) applying to the field because they can be supermom. Do interesting work and still spend more time with family. No beeper. No nights. No weekends. You go home and enjoy your family. Checkmate.
    B. You are not tied to a patient base or location. You may be tied to a partnership, but can easily make partner quickly elsewhere (1 year) especially as an experienced radiologists. You can work from home. You can be a night hawk and work nights from home. You can be a locum tenums and travel the country working in different locations for a month at a time and enjoy life. Work in San Diego one month, in NH another month, and Florida the next. Can't really do all of these things in anesthesia.

    3. You get to work with cutting edge technology on a daily basis. AKA Computer/Gadget Afficienado Heaven. I have seen a demonstration of the current state of the art CT multi-slice presentation and a sneak peak at 16 multi-channel dectector CT with awesome image post-processing software. Radiology is visual nirvana. I was drooling and my mouth hung so far open I was afraid it would hit the floor. I sometimes pinch have myself when I look at the beautiful images and things that can be done with this technology (and MRI, Ultrasound, PET/Nuclear scanning and even plain films). You have seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of the application of imaging technology. Cardiac imaging is around the corner (both CT and MR). 3D imaging for non-radiologists is beautiful and surgeons are very happy with what we can show them. I can email a surgeon real-time windows media player 3D rotation images of the key structures that they will operate on the next day. I kid you not!

    4. While I am not big on prestige, radiologists do have some prestige and referring clinicians do depend on us greatly. After spending time with the radiology resident on call, the decision to admit or treat patients rested heavily on what radiology resident said. Yes, we can have our power trips during residency, but most of us get over this quickly. :) While many referring physicians do not think we are real doctors, the smart ones know we all have our role and we provide good service, which is integral to the practice of medicine today.

    5. You have the pleasure of not dealing with the downsides of patient contact. Yes, there are downsides. And if you want the patient contact you can do interventional/Neuro-IR, breast imaging/procedures.

    6. Not only can you use your brain, but you can work with your hands as an interventionalist or breast imager. The option is nice to have when you are tired of sitting in a chair all day long in a quiet dark room.
    7. Unless reimbursement payments are cut to the bone, radiologists will continue to make a comfortable living and on par or greater than other high-paying subspecialists.
    There are more reasons, but I will save them for another day.
     
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    Great post Voxel. Your views on what is great about radiology are EXACTLY the same as mine. I agree wholeheartedly with all 7 of your points.
     
  19. rad

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    very nicely said voxel.
     
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    i also wanted to thank you voxel on one of the best breakdowns of a field I've ever seen on this board
     
  21. LR6SO4

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    Rock on voxel, that was well put. It bothers me when I tell people that I am interested in various specialties (rads being one of a few but I got time) and I get the whole 'do something you are interested in, not for money'. Who ever said that medicine is not interesting if you are not a generalist?
     

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