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The general difference in attitude about recreational substance use between veterinary professionals in the US and Canada is interesting to me. I often hear from my American colleagues and classmates how it's their duty as a doctor to hold themselves to a higher code of standard and it's inappropriate for vets to do things like that outside of work hours (obviously not all Americans, but enough have said this that I've noticed it now). In comparison, it feels like a ton of people I encounter in the field here are saying "I don't know how I could survive being in vet med without my nightly joints", and even my most conservative coworkers are pro. I assume it's because of the difference in legality at the federal level (in cannabis specifically) even though both countries have generally similar attitudes about it and rates of use.
I think you’re running into a specific type of person or people who live in states where it isn’t legal. Living in MA and MN (where it is legal) more professionals than not that I’ve worked with have used it or continue to use it. The boundary for them is being unimpaired at work and unimpaired on call.
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Agreed. I haven't met a veterinary professional in CO who judges the use. It's pretty analogous to alcohol use here culturally. If anything, use of both seems to anecdotally be falling. Though that may be because synthetic cannabis products are starting to be an issue
Thirding that it’s highly regional, as someone who grew up in states where it was fully illegal at the time, practiced in a state where it was fully legal and now living back in a state where it is now medicinally but not recreationally legal. I’ve never partaken even when living where it was totally legal, but attitudes around it are widely variable. Most professionals in my current state wouldn’t admit use even if they do for fear that it could affect their licensing since it’s federally and state-ally illegal here.
Interesting! Most of the people I've been hearing this from were from California or PNW area, so that makes sense for it being a regional thing (or just that the people I'm interacting with go that way). It's been brought up like, 3 or 4 times in the last week by them lol which is why I was so curious!
Oh jeez, the synthetic stuff is scary. The concept of overdosable cannabis is insane. My best friend drove through the US once and he called me from somewhere in Appalachia shocked because he found it as well as KRATOM for sale in a random gas station lol and we were shocked you can just... buy that stuff whenever you want.
Is it true in most states you have to get a seperate licence from your veterinary one to be able to prescribe medication (like DEA or whatever)? It seems kinda odd to me because if you can't get it, are you just practicing as a vet and diagnosing and performing surgery and all but not able to give meds? Like I think in NS if I screwed up badly enough to be banned from prescribing meds they would just take away my whole licence.
Kratom is legal in the state where I live (Michigan) and have definitely seen signs for places that have it for sale as well 😂Oh jeez, the synthetic stuff is scary. The concept of overdosable cannabis is insane. My best friend drove through the US once and he called me from somewhere in Appalachia shocked because he found it as well as KRATOM for sale in a random gas station lol and we were shocked you can just... buy that stuff whenever you want.
John Oliver has a spectacular segment on kratom and 7OH.Oh jeez, the synthetic stuff is scary. The concept of overdosable cannabis is insane. My best friend drove through the US once and he called me from somewhere in Appalachia shocked because he found it as well as KRATOM for sale in a random gas station lol and we were shocked you can just... buy that stuff whenever you want.
In MN, delta 9 (true THC) is what's legal. I think they do that to try to avoid the spread of more potent synthetics. It's very confusing for a lay person.
I know a few vets who don't have DEA licenses (for varying reasons). It just means you cannot prescribe scheduled (controlled) drugs. You can still prescribe non-controlled. Some clinics just need the owner to have a DEA to use drugs in clinic. It's nice to have someone on staff who has a DEA for prescribing. But you don't actually need it to practice medicine.
DEA is only for controlled substances (things like tramadol, opioids, benzos, etc) and you can still prescribe non-controlled things without a DEA and with just a regular veterinary license.
You can practice with your state vet license but you need a separate DEA license to prescribe controlled substances. If one doctor at your hospital has a DEA license they can provide controlled drugs to the hospital like for use in surgery and to fill a post-op script for the patient (if they want, it’s added liability for them and some practices make every doctor have their own DEA license) but you can’t write a controlled prescription to an outside pharmacy if you don’t have your own DEA. I didn’t have my own DEA license as an intern. There were only a couple of instances when I needed the vet with the actual DEA license to write a paper script, both times were for phenobarbital the owner couldn’t afford to fill with us and they needed cheaper options and an outside script.
Saw a kratom toxicosis in a pom puppy a while back. Mom had 150 to spend across the whole visit, so ended up donating fluids and such. Poison control was adamant I hospitalize but, well. No such luck.
That was me as long as I could ride it! $888 is obnoxious and the risk isn't zero. But here I am, now with my own license. Back in the ER, I simply didn't script anything out. Not that I do that regularly now anyways
This makes me so sad. So many people don't even know how kratom works or why it's dangerous; I didn't realize how scary it was until recently myself. And it's not like you can use naloxone.
Arguing with people about dog food: easy, beginner level
Arguing with people about rabbit or horse feed: elite level
today, I had someone say protein makes horses fat. Then they back tracked to say that protein that goes over the calorie limit causes obesity. Then they started trash talking vets because a new grad didn’t know about HYPP and recommended beet pulp or something. I don’t know.
Arguing with people about rabbit or horse feed: elite level
today, I had someone say protein makes horses fat. Then they back tracked to say that protein that goes over the calorie limit causes obesity. Then they started trash talking vets because a new grad didn’t know about HYPP and recommended beet pulp or something. I don’t know.
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Did you tell them to say that to themselves really slowly? Cause I don't think I could have resisted
I tried. I even showed them a Vetprep question explanation that said protein doesn’t make horses fat
meanwhile people be dumping vegetable oil into their horse's buckets without a second thought
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