Rank order list prelim question

[Staradmiral]

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I am confused about one aspect of the rank order list when it comes to ranking advanced radiology programs and catergorical programs.

For example I rank:

1. Advanced program 1 + prelim year 1,2,3,4...
2. Categorical program

My question is: If I match to the advanced program but fail to match to a prelim year, does it drop to my second choice? OR do I match to the advanced with no prelim position and have to scramble?

I would much rather drop to my second choice then enter the scramble/soap.

 

[improbable]

From what I understand, you will match your advanced at #1 and then have to SOAP for the prelim year. I've heard of people having to do that, and that they would not have had to SOAP if they'd matched lower down on their list.

 

[DrBowtie]

From what I understand, you will match your advanced at #1 and then have to SOAP for the prelim year. I've heard of people having to do that, and that they would not have had to SOAP if they'd matched lower down on their list.

The only way that would be the case is if categorical programs are on your list or if they didn't list all prelims.

Just list all your prelims with each advanced spot to minimize risk of SOAP.

 

[librenacho]

I haven't wanted to bring this up at any interviews. Many programs are advanced, but have a prelim year that is somewhat attached, ie the prelim uses the rads rank list, or guarantees a spot in the prelim year if you match to the advanced program. Anybody know if it is possible to not match to the advanced spot and still match to the prelim at such programs? My number of standalone prelim programs is limited.

 

[deleted103644]

I haven't wanted to bring this up at any interviews. Many programs are advanced, but have a prelim year that is somewhat attached, ie the prelim uses the rads rank list, or guarantees a spot in the prelim year if you match to the advanced program. Anybody know if it is possible to not match to the advanced spot and still match to the prelim at such programs? My number of standalone prelim programs is limited.

You will not match at those prelims unless you attend the accompanying advanced program.

That said, there are usually undesignated prelims meant to take up the slack if people choose not to use the designated ones.

They may require a separate interview or they may not, but they will definitely be listed separately on NRMP.

 

[tco]

The only way that would be the case is if categorical programs are on your list or if they didn't list all prelims.

Just list all your prelims with each advanced spot to minimize risk of SOAP.

I'm curious about the formatting for this...Can you rank different prelims differently for specific Advanced programs? For instance:

1. Advanced A with 1. Prelim A 2. Prelim B 3. Prelim C
2. Advanced B with 1. Prelim B 2. Prelim A 3. Prelim C
3. Advanced C with 1. Prelim C 2. Prelim A 1. Prelim B

 

[Reduviid]

I'm curious about the formatting for this...Can you rank different prelims differently for specific Advanced programs? For instance:

1. Advanced A with 1. Prelim A 2. Prelim B 3. Prelim C
2. Advanced B with 1. Prelim B 2. Prelim A 3. Prelim C
3. Advanced C with 1. Prelim C 2. Prelim A 1. Prelim B

You can make an infinite number of "sub" rank lists for internships. Ex:

1. MGH - Prelim ROL A
2. UCSF - Prelim ROL A
3. MGH - Prelim ROL B
4. MIR - Prelim ROL A
5. UMich - Prelim ROL C
6. Prelim ROL Z

You get the idea. you can basically do whatever you can imagine. It's pretty flexible. Your prelim ROL can contain as few as 1 or as many as 100 programs.

 

[DrBowtie]

You can make an infinite number of "sub" rank lists for internships. Ex:

1. MGH - Prelim ROL A
2. UCSF - Prelim ROL A
3. MGH - Prelim ROL B
4. MIR - Prelim ROL A
5. UMich - Prelim ROL C
6. Prelim ROL Z

You get the idea. you can basically do whatever you can imagine. It's pretty flexible. Your prelim ROL can contain as few as 1 or as many as 100 programs.

I don't think that's right assuming things are still the same as 2 years ago.

You can only list each program code on your primary list once so you can't list MGH twice as above. This would only come into play with places that have both advanced and categorical slots since they have separate codes.

You can't list each possible permutation seperately. Each rads place is on the primary list in order then each of those has an individual list of prelims tied to that program like an IF THEN operation.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but NRMP would not let me do that 2 years ago when I tried.

 

[tco]

I don't think that's right assuming things are still the same as 2 years ago.

You can only list each program code on your primary list once so you can't list MGH twice as above. This would only come into play with places that have both advanced and categorical slots since they have separate codes.

You can't list each possible permeation seperately. Each rads place is on the primary list in order then each of those has an individual list of prelims tied to that program like an IF THEN operation.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but NRMP would not let me do that 2 years ago when I tried.

So more like what I originally suggested? Probably a different format, but same concept?

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[deleted103644]

So more like what I originally suggested? Probably a different format, but same concept?

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Yes.

Bowie is right (at least when I did it).

You rank your advanced/categorical programs on your primary rank list.

You then have the option of assigning a separate prelim rank list to each advanced program (not categoricals obviously).

You could create one for each, but that's probably unnecessary. Maybe create one for each location (that's what I did) and assign accordingly.

 

[Trastuz]

Agree with above poster - matched last year.

 

[tco]

Yes.

Bowie is right (at least when I did it).

You rank your advanced/categorical programs on your primary rank list.

You then have the option of assigning a separate prelim rank list to each advanced program (not categoricals obviously).

You could create one for each, but that's probably unnecessary. Maybe create one for each location (that's what I did) and assign accordingly.

I'm satisfied with this. Thanks for the explanation.