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Saw this thread the other day
Most ppl are laughing this off in an archetypal Reddit fashion, but ime it's a serious problem. this is very much in line with people who pretend like women complaining about lookism is valid and justifies body acceptance movements, but men complaining about lookism is "incel-tier" and deserves ridicule. A well-known study from UT Austin in 2013 demonstrated that the financial penalty against ugly men is actually much harsher than the penalty against ugly women. Grading bias follows the same trend.
Kind of ironic too considering that we have to learn about this for the MCAT
Plastic surgery & dermatology are so obviously "looks dependent" fields... Orthopedics is dominated by jocks with good genetics who often fail to understand the subtleties of physical therapy, contributing to the stereotype that orthopedists over recommend surgery (although I will admit that this is a Yin and Yang where physical therapists under recommend surgery). Regardless, the orthobro stereotype is real and insane considering that football Chads who have perfect posture until they're 75 are generally poorly suited to understanding how much chronically upper crossed posture can improve, as well as how much chronically upper crossed posture can be a contributing factor to borderline cases where healing from an acute injury is in the "good but not good enough" range.
Yes there are plenty of ugly physicians, both male and female. Lookism is worse in law and way worse in business. That doesn't invalidate it. There are actually several clear things people can do about this. The first one is using complaint systems (Title IX etc). Generally the lookism has to be in the explicit category rather than just garden variety appearance-based exclusion, but a lot of bullies will go into the explicit category pretty early on if they think you're not gonna fight back (FYI: in some states you can record people without their consent). I've actually gotten a bully fired for this before. Complaining about lookism as a man will definitely cause you to lose face and will generally cause people to label you as an incel, but in the aforementioned instance with the bully it could not have been more worth it. If you can get explicit evidence of lookism, you're still not going to have a moral high ground in the minds of HR/Title IX etc but what you will have is leverage to make it a problem under the Civil Rights Act; explicit lookism falls under the category of sexual harassment and implicit lookism can still fall under the category of gender discrimination if there is a provably gendered component of it. I've had luck using complaint systems in several other instances that would be dox-tier to share, but the overarching point is that most men are too collectivist minded + too "man up" mindset to use them, especially if from a highly patriarchal culture.
inb4 I sound like I have a bad personality... In some ways I definitely do but that's beside the point and more due to being treated like an insect rather than the other way around. I've had too many instances of bias to be gaslit about personality anymore, and I am more than capable of being polite and submissive if the situation calls for it.
Imo, CBT is poorly suited for dealing with lookism, especially if you're a man. As a form of systemic discrimination, trying to reframe or systematically modify your response will just make you spineless at best. EMDR is probably a better approach.
Most ppl are laughing this off in an archetypal Reddit fashion, but ime it's a serious problem. this is very much in line with people who pretend like women complaining about lookism is valid and justifies body acceptance movements, but men complaining about lookism is "incel-tier" and deserves ridicule. A well-known study from UT Austin in 2013 demonstrated that the financial penalty against ugly men is actually much harsher than the penalty against ugly women. Grading bias follows the same trend.
Kind of ironic too considering that we have to learn about this for the MCAT
Plastic surgery & dermatology are so obviously "looks dependent" fields... Orthopedics is dominated by jocks with good genetics who often fail to understand the subtleties of physical therapy, contributing to the stereotype that orthopedists over recommend surgery (although I will admit that this is a Yin and Yang where physical therapists under recommend surgery). Regardless, the orthobro stereotype is real and insane considering that football Chads who have perfect posture until they're 75 are generally poorly suited to understanding how much chronically upper crossed posture can improve, as well as how much chronically upper crossed posture can be a contributing factor to borderline cases where healing from an acute injury is in the "good but not good enough" range.
Yes there are plenty of ugly physicians, both male and female. Lookism is worse in law and way worse in business. That doesn't invalidate it. There are actually several clear things people can do about this. The first one is using complaint systems (Title IX etc). Generally the lookism has to be in the explicit category rather than just garden variety appearance-based exclusion, but a lot of bullies will go into the explicit category pretty early on if they think you're not gonna fight back (FYI: in some states you can record people without their consent). I've actually gotten a bully fired for this before. Complaining about lookism as a man will definitely cause you to lose face and will generally cause people to label you as an incel, but in the aforementioned instance with the bully it could not have been more worth it. If you can get explicit evidence of lookism, you're still not going to have a moral high ground in the minds of HR/Title IX etc but what you will have is leverage to make it a problem under the Civil Rights Act; explicit lookism falls under the category of sexual harassment and implicit lookism can still fall under the category of gender discrimination if there is a provably gendered component of it. I've had luck using complaint systems in several other instances that would be dox-tier to share, but the overarching point is that most men are too collectivist minded + too "man up" mindset to use them, especially if from a highly patriarchal culture.
inb4 I sound like I have a bad personality... In some ways I definitely do but that's beside the point and more due to being treated like an insect rather than the other way around. I've had too many instances of bias to be gaslit about personality anymore, and I am more than capable of being polite and submissive if the situation calls for it.
Imo, CBT is poorly suited for dealing with lookism, especially if you're a man. As a form of systemic discrimination, trying to reframe or systematically modify your response will just make you spineless at best. EMDR is probably a better approach.
