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Ok...so I created a "Rant Thread", because we don't have one in hSDN....and come on, we are high school students. We have plenty to rant about. I mean we complain all the time. I also created this because I was always ranting on my "quote of the day" thread....and I needed an actual place to rant - anonymously.

You can rant - and on this thread = no judgement involved, and if people want to give advice, give advice....give encouragement. Go ahead! (As long as the person doesn't mind.)

So my fellow hSDN and my future colleagues, let the ranting begin!!!!! :naughty:
🙂
 
I would rant, but everything I have to say is too personal... OTL

Oh wait I have a minor complaint. I hate quotes because I can never remember any good ones, so when I see hSDN has new posts and it's only the QotD thread, I get upset. You and your false hope! (just kidding, of course.. mostly.)

While I'm on the topic of forum-related nuisances, I have to say, SDN must be a lot of people's first forum. I see people bumping five year old threads, quoting walls of text, and double posting 24/7. I hate quoting. It's so much easier to use the caret (^) or @. Don't quote a post with more than three paragraphs... just... don't.

And now I will go back to lurking as I've used up all of my allotted complaints for a person with 19 posts. (I once got called out for making a complaint after only five posts on a zelda forum...)
 
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I hate famous peoples "quoters" and dreamers.

Seriously if you want something, just work for it. No dreams of having some material things or a job should be made. Goals are actually where the real deal is.
 
I hate it when I know more about a subject than someone else and I overhear them talking about it. I feel awkward correcting them but I know they are wrong. It is frustrating.
 
Dear Futuresurgeon00,

I despise your "Quote Of The Day" thread. Do I have your permission to dislike it?

HAHA JK, Comrade. 😎

I am kind of disliking being single on Valentine's Day.

I agree. Yet girls expect gifts from me even though they have boyfriends and they get upset when I don't give them one. 👎 What..... :laugh:
 
Dear Futuresurgeon00,

I despise your "Quote Of The Day" thread. Do I have your permission to dislike it?

HAHA JK, Comrade. 😎



I agree. Yet girls expect gifts from me even though they have boyfriends and they get upset when I don't give them one. 👎 What..... :laugh:
Lol...seriously, it doesn't make a difference to me whether u like it or dislike it...everyone is entitled to their own opinions...#Freedom Of Speech...Btw...Permission granted....🙂

I agree about the whole Valentine's day thing...Our school sells roses and one rose is $3.50 (Canadian dollars), 2 are $6.00....Honestly Valentine's day is just a day used to make people spend more money...

@Arijos0222 - thanks for reminding me 🙂 I need to go write a quote and be totally optimistic....
 
Totally forgot about my actual reason for the rant. I have carpal tunnel and i'm in a school that primarily depends on laptops, so i am typing with one hand and using the word-speaking typing thing....and its horrible....

btw, did i mention that my dominant hand is more affected by it & because of my excessive use of my less dominant hand, that's starting to hurt like crazy......
 
Totally forgot about my actual reason for the rant. I have carpal tunnel and i'm in a school that primarily depends on laptops, so i am typing with one hand and using the word-speaking typing thing....and its horrible....

btw, did i mention that my dominant hand is more affected by it & because of my excessive use of my less dominant hand, that's starting to hurt like crazy......

I don't know how you do it. It would totally affect my sniping in Black Ops 2 :laugh:

On a serious note, my school uses only iPads and it's frustrating to type; hurts my wrists, can't imagine if I had carpal tunnel syndrome. Also I couldn't play piano because a lot of the music I play involves a lot of finger stretching so that would hurt immensely...
 
I rant about all my AP classes! >🙂
 
I don't know how you do it. It would totally affect my sniping in Black Ops 2 :laugh:

On a serious note, my school uses only iPads and it's frustrating to type; hurts my wrists, can't imagine if I had carpal tunnel syndrome. Also I couldn't play piano because a lot of the music I play involves a lot of finger stretching so that would hurt immensely...
There are a couple classes in our school that use iPads mainly (but those are the college courses)...only the University courses are laptop....and that's only for those who were accepted into the program...it's probably kinda confusing, but the U courses are like AP courses, and the U/C (uni-college courses) are like a mix of both, and the C (college) are the normal courses....it's hard to explain....B/c here college means something totally different than what it means there...It's good to get into college there, right?

@Arijos0222 It takes tons of skill and practice,Young Padawan...skill and practice....

Lol....

I would usually rant about the fact that it's a Sunday and I have school tomorrow, but IM CANADIAN!!! AND IT'S FAMILY DAY TOMORROW!!! Plus, I had a P.A (no school) day on Friday, and the Friday before that was a snow day...so it's been like 3 weeks of 4 day school weeks...and this weekend is a 4 day long weekend...🙂 So, I guess I am ranting...in a positive way 🙂 (This totally goes against the rules of the creation of my thread)...Oh well. I'm kinda too pumped to care....🙂
 
There are a couple classes in our school that use iPads mainly (but those are the college courses)...only the University courses are laptop....and that's only for those who were accepted into the program...it's probably kinda confusing, but the U courses are like AP courses, and the U/C (uni-college courses) are like a mix of both, and the C (college) are the normal courses....it's hard to explain....B/c here college means something totally different than what it means there...It's good to get into college there, right?

@Arijos0222 It takes tons of skill and practice,Young Padawan...skill and practice....

Lol....

I would usually rant about the fact that it's a Sunday and I have school tomorrow, but IM CANADIAN!!! AND IT'S FAMILY DAY TOMORROW!!! Plus, I had a P.A (no school) day on Friday, and the Friday before that was a snow day...so it's been like 3 weeks of 4 day school weeks...and this weekend is a 4 day long weekend...🙂 So, I guess I am ranting...in a positive way 🙂 (This totally goes against the rules of the creation of my thread)...Oh well. I'm kinda too pumped to care....🙂

Yes, college and university are used interchangeably in the states.

And I had a 5 day weekend... I have off tomorrow 😎
 
And it's another thing not to take any until you're a senior (me).

I'm downgrading. I am taking AP now and I'm lightening my course load, so i'm going to get Early Dismissal (1:30) and late arrival (8:30)

i'm only going to take 6 classes.as opposed to 8. Senior year is gonna be Lax for me 😎 I work too hard now.
 
I'm downgrading. I am taking AP now and I'm lightening my course load, so i'm going to get Early Dismissal (1:30) and late arrival (8:30)

i'm only going to take 6 classes.as opposed to 8. Senior year is gonna be Lax for me 😎 I work too hard now.

A lot of my friends are in similar situations. I didn't get into any APs this year because I had difficulties as a Freshman and Sophomore. I need to catch up next year.
 
I'm downgrading. I am taking AP now and I'm lightening my course load, so i'm going to get Early Dismissal (1:30) and late arrival (8:30)

i'm only going to take 6 classes.as opposed to 8. Senior year is gonna be Lax for me 😎 I work too hard now.
My school is from 8:30 - 2:30 regularly, so not a problem for me....and I'm doing the same thing like you too....I'm taking two credits in the summer, plus doing co-op (so I get 4 credits from that) and in my senior year I will have 6 courses and 2 spares 🙂 One per semester 🙂

Do you have the whole graduating a semester early thing there (or is that just a movie thing?)?

And, how many credits do you need to graduate with? Electives? Pre-reqs? What about hours?
 
My school is from 8:30 - 2:30 regularly, so not a problem for me....and I'm doing the same thing like you too....I'm taking two credits in the summer, plus doing co-op (so I get 4 credits from that) and in my senior year I will have 6 courses and 2 spares 🙂 One per semester 🙂

Do you have the whole graduating a semester early thing there (or is that just a movie thing?)?

And, how many credits do you need to graduate with? Electives? Pre-reqs? What about hours?

I don't have any specific answers for you. I did my own shadowing and EC's and I have way too many to name, along with too many hours. Probably 100's of hours.

I have at least 30% more credits than I need. Don't know where all that is going :laugh:

I can graduate early, but I don't feel the need to. I don't want to take any online classes.
 
My school is from 8:30 - 2:30 regularly, so not a problem for me....and I'm doing the same thing like you too....I'm taking two credits in the summer, plus doing co-op (so I get 4 credits from that) and in my senior year I will have 6 courses and 2 spares 🙂 One per semester 🙂

Do you have the whole graduating a semester early thing there (or is that just a movie thing?)?

And, how many credits do you need to graduate with? Electives? Pre-reqs? What about hours?


My school goes from 8:15 to 3:05

I need 22 credits:

English 4
Social Studies/U.S. History 3
Mathematics 3
Science 3
Fine Arts 1
Physical Education 1.5
Health .5
Computer Applications .5
(if not passed in middle school)
Advisory 1
Electives 5 (or 5.5 depending on
computer requirement)

But I need to take much more since I'm going to college. (4 years of mathematics, 2 years of language, etc.)
 
My school goes from 8:15 to 3:05

I need 22 credits:

English 4
Social Studies/U.S. History 3
Mathematics 3
Science 3
Fine Arts 1
Physical Education 1.5
Health .5
Computer Applications .5
(if not passed in middle school)
Advisory 1
Electives 5 (or 5.5 depending on
computer requirement)

But I need to take much more since I'm going to college. (4 years of mathematics, 2 years of language, etc.)

3:00!

I start my first class at 7:30, get out at 2:20
 
3:00!

I start my first class at 7:30, get out at 2:20

Pretty much same number of hours. You just start earlier. What state are you in? I'm in VT (as you may have guessed from previous posts).


Oh wait... Penn right?


Oh wow.... I'm stupid. It says New Jersey right on your profile.
 
I don't have any specific answers for you. I did my own shadowing and EC's and I have way too many to name, along with too many hours. Probably 100's of hours.

I have at least 30% more credits than I need. Don't know where all that is going :laugh:

I can graduate early, but I don't feel the need to. I don't want to take any online classes.
I was just wondering...b/c in Canada we have to complete 30 credits, OSSLT and 40 hours of community service to graduate (18 compulsory, 12 electives)....(not including IB schools)

English - 4
Math - 3
Science - 2
Canadian geography - 1
Canadian history - 1
Career studies - 0.5
Civics Education - 0.5
French as a second language - 1
Arts - 1
Physical Education - 1

The twelve electives have to include:

1 - additional course in english, or another language
1- additional credit in health, physical education, business or the arts
1- additional credit in science or technology

The other pre-reqs depend on what we want to take depending on our career path - uni, college...etc.

Now for my rant - I was supposed to go snowboarding and tubing today, but it was -30 degrees....so plans cancelled.
 
I was just wondering...b/c in Canada we have to complete 30 credits, OSSLT and 40 hours of community service to graduate (18 compulsory, 12 electives)....(not including IB schools)

English - 4
Math - 3
Science - 2
Canadian geography - 1
Canadian history - 1
Career studies - 0.5
Civics Education - 0.5
French as a second language - 1
Arts - 1
Physical Education - 1

The twelve electives have to include:

1 - additional course in english, or another language
1- additional credit in health, physical education, business or the arts
1- additional credit in science or technology

The other pre-reqs depend on what we want to take depending on our career path - uni, college...etc.

Now for my rant - I was supposed to go snowboarding and tubing today, but it was -30 degrees....so plans cancelled.

40 hours?????? WE HAVE TO DO LIKE 120!
 
I think we're the only 3 high school students in the entire world of whom actively patrol hSDN every day 😎

Please, Nysegop and futuresurgeon00, stay on the site. Don't leave me alone.
 
I think we're the only 3 high school students in the entire world of whom actively patrol hSDN every day 😎

Please, Nysegop and futuresurgeon00, stay on the site. Don't leave me alone.
lol....that is so true.....Don't worry. I won't leave 🙂 We must seriously have no lives....but it's cool to talking to people who share the same interests and stuff. 🙂

@nysegop - 40 hours are minimum, but everyone does at least 100, because with 40 you will get accepted nowhere....
 
@Arijos0222

I'm here every day, I just don't reply to every topic... but I read all of your replies. I just turned myself on invisible too, so now you'll never know.
/silently judges everyone : P

This rant thread doesn't have enough rant, so here's one for today.
My parents have been upset with me over my school work and when we finally work out a plan, a holiday comes and then my mom decides to drag me to go to a funeral full of people I barely know. So there goes two whole days. Whenever I make plans, they just get destroyed. I don't look forward to much anymore.
 
40 hours?????? WE HAVE TO DO LIKE 120!

Man back in my day, if you wanted to go to college and medical school, you could still just be like an ordinary guy with decent grades and some extracurriculars...now they expect you all to be f'in saints!
 
lol....that is so true.....Don't worry. I won't leave 🙂 We must seriously have no lives....but it's cool to talking to people who share the same interests and stuff. 🙂

I agree. Everyone I know doesn't even want to be a Physician. They want to be engineers, Lawyers, Pharmacists and Dentists. I did, however, tell one of my friends of whom is in college about Podiatry and he swears he thanks me for his future :laugh: he's so excited to be a Pre-Pod.

I sat in an auditorium an in front of everyone I had to say what I wanted to be. When I said I wanted to be a Surgeon everyone gave me this look of awe and they had that "wtf" moment. 😉

@Arijos0222

I'm here every day, I just don't reply to every topic... but I read all of your replies. I just turned myself on invisible too, so now you'll never know.
/silently judges everyone : P

This rant thread doesn't have enough rant, so here's one for today.
My parents have been upset with me over my school work and when we finally work out a plan, a holiday comes and then my mom decides to drag me to go to a funeral full of people I barely know. So there goes two whole days. Whenever I make plans, they just get destroyed. I don't look forward to much anymore.

Silent stalker. I like that 😎

And funerals are horrid, man. Such a grim ambiance...
 
Man back in my day, if you wanted to go to college and medical school, you could still just be like an ordinary guy with decent grades and some extracurriculars...now they expect you all to be f'in saints!

I agree. I'm so upset that one of my friends didn't get into an Allopathic program. He has a 3.7 GPA and a 29 MCAT and amazing EC's and over 1000 hours of shadowing and volunteering. 😡

He could've gone D.O., but he doesn't want his chances of specializing to be any more difficult than it already is, so he's sticking with the M.D. route.
 
Okay, here's a rant.

Today, I got stuck with 3 partners who are totally too lazy to do any work on their own. Therefore, I have to complete this project by tonight because it's due thursday. Also, some guy paid me 50 dollars to do his Chemistry packet (which is so dang easy but he's just too lazy to complete it) which will take me at least an hour or two. I also have to do math homework for this girl who likes me and she was too busy working today and she got home at 9:00 so she's really bummed out from the day.

The thing that I dislike the most is when I do an entire project and everyone gets 100% on it. I feel like purposely getting a zero or "forgetting" to do the project because this is ridiculous.

I HATE SLACKERS.

I swear I will be one of those attendings who will rain wrath upon the interns when they complain that they have to do a 24 hour shift. I think if you're going to do something, do it to the best of your ability.

That is my rant for today.
 
Okay, here's a rant.

Today, I got stuck with 3 partners who are totally too lazy to do any work on their own. Therefore, I have to complete this project by tonight because it's due thursday. Also, some guy paid me 50 dollars to do his Chemistry packet (which is so dang easy but he's just too lazy to complete it) which will take me at least an hour or two. I also have to do math homework for this girl who likes me and she was too busy working today and she got home at 9:00 so she's really bummed out from the day.

The thing that I dislike the most is when I do an entire project and everyone gets 100% on it. I feel like purposely getting a zero or "forgetting" to do the project because this is ridiculous.

I HATE SLACKERS.

I swear I will be one of those attendings who will rain wrath upon the interns when they complain that they have to do a 24 hour shift. I think if you're going to do something, do it to the best of your ability.

That is my rant for today.
That actually happens? People pay people for grades? Woah...mindblown...I thought that just happened in the movies....

I agree. Everyone I know doesn't even want to be a Physician. They want to be engineers, Lawyers, Pharmacists and Dentists. I did, however, tell one of my friends of whom is in college about Podiatry and he swears he thanks me for his future he's so excited to be a Pre-Pod.

I sat in an auditorium an in front of everyone I had to say what I wanted to be. When I said I wanted to be a Surgeon everyone gave me this look of awe and they had that "wtf" moment.

Deja-vu moment...that happens to me all the time...they go all awed and "you must be so proud...." to my parents...and it's just weird b/c there are so many kids around the world who want to be doctors. A lot of our family friends kids want to be doctors, and are my age, but they are just doing it for their parents, they don't actually like it. And that kinda pisses me off sometimes. B/c there are people who really want it - and ask like a billion q's and find sites like this and do their best to achieve their goal, but then they sometimes don't get accepted b/c then there are people like them who are just doing it for the sake of doing it, but still manage to somehow get accepted. Ok.....so that was my rant of the day...it was not meant to be a rant, but it turned into one....😕

My secondary rant, I won't be on this site for March Break = Mar 8th to the 18th cuz I'm going on a cruise and internet costs a bajillion bucks😡...(kinda, sorta)...so I don't know how I will be able to function without hSDN...plus @Arijos022 I'm kinda ditching you in that time, though I did say I wouldn't....feel free to totally rant about that....😱
 
Okay, here's a rant.

Today, I got stuck with 3 partners who are totally too lazy to do any work on their own. Therefore, I have to complete this project by tonight because it's due thursday. Also, some guy paid me 50 dollars to do his Chemistry packet (which is so dang easy but he's just too lazy to complete it) which will take me at least an hour or two. I also have to do math homework for this girl who likes me and she was too busy working today and she got home at 9:00 so she's really bummed out from the day.

The thing that I dislike the most is when I do an entire project and everyone gets 100% on it. I feel like purposely getting a zero or "forgetting" to do the project because this is ridiculous.

I HATE SLACKERS.

I swear I will be one of those attendings who will rain wrath upon the interns when they complain that they have to do a 24 hour shift. I think if you're going to do something, do it to the best of your ability.

That is my rant for today.

Haha.

1. You're in for a treat.

2. Interns don't complain about working 24 hour shifts because they can't work 24 hour shifts. They have duty hour restrictions. Regardless, they work long enough, put up with way too much ****, and deserve to rant much more than the rest of us.

3. You're going to make a great attending someday.
 
Silent stalker. I like that 😎

And funerals are horrid, man. Such a grim ambiance...

😎

Actually, most of the funerals I've been to have been.. fun. It might be a cultural thing, but it could also be that most of the people had lived long lives. This woman lived to be 100.
It was mostly just the fact that I didn't know anyone and don't like crowds that made it suck. Oh, and the missing school. Petty reasons.
 
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I agree. I'm so upset that one of my friends didn't get into an Allopathic program. He has a 3.7 GPA and a 29 MCAT and amazing EC's and over 1000 hours of shadowing and volunteering. 😡

He could've gone D.O., but he doesn't want his chances of specializing to be any more difficult than it already is, so he's sticking with the M.D. route.

<sigh>

someday this common misconception will go away.
 
My rant is that I love SDN, but I'm too old for hSDN, but don't have anything relevant to contribute to Pre-allo.

🙁
 
😎

Actually, most of the funerals I've been to have been.. fun. It might be a cultural thing, but it could also be that most of the people had lived long lives. This woman lived to be 100.
It was mostly just the fact that I didn't know anyone and don't like crowds that made it suck. Oh, and the missing school. Petty reasons.

A fun funeral? How is that possible?
 
<sigh>

someday this common misconception will go away.

If you look at DO matches into Neurosurgery programs and other highly competitive specialties, you'll see that a limited number, or much less match because there are less AOA residencies, and it's more difficult for a DO to match into an AAMC residency.

For example, Neurological Surgery had 12 Spots, and the AAMC residency had 180-something spots, and not one D.O. matched into the Allopathic program (Yes there are AOA residencies in Neurosurg but 12 openings seems like a very minute amount to count on)

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the statistics i've come across show a pretty decent discrepancy between allopathic and osteopathic medical students.

I know this from personal knowledge, but i'll post some sources for clarification, Doctor Bob.

http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddatasms2012.pdf

If you will scroll down to Figure 4 on the PDF, you will see the discrepancy I had previously noted.

All Applicants: Around 70%
Allopathic: >80%
Osteopathic: High 60's, low 70%
US International Graduates: 60%
Non-US International Graduates-60%

There is a notable difference in the Allopathic Applicant and Osteopathic Applicant graduates, however, and I don't know how much this would affect percentages if there were an equal amount of graduates in said year, 2012.

Allopathic: 4000
Osteopathic: 550

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Also say, my comrade were interested in Neurosurgery assuming he was a OMS IV. All the neurosurgery residency positions were filled (12 spots his year for AOA). His only hope would be to match into match into an AAMC Neurosurgery Residency. Let's see his chances:

# of total residents- 1096

% USMDs- 88%

% IMGs- 11%

% osteopathic graduates <1%


Data adapted from Brotherton S, Etzel S. Graduate medical education, 2009 - 2010. JAMA 2010; 304(11): 1255 - 1270.


Of course, you will be a Physician either way, but if you were in love with a specialty, why not give yourself the best shot? Imagine if you were in love with Urology, and you were a good enough student to match into a AOA residency, but you had to succumb to the fact that there weren't as many spots as say, AAMC residencies? You would be in a deep pile of ____


Note- These are my interpretations and rough estimations based on these calculations and the information the National Resident Matching Program has disclosed with to the public

I hope this explains my reasoning.

If you can otherwise prove this evidence, or my thinking faulty, please elaborate and if it is appropriate and/or feasible, please provide sources to the information provided. It would be greatly appreciated from Doctor Bob or anyone else that has a take on the matter.
 
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If you look at DO matches into Neurosurgery programs and other highly competitive specialties, you'll see that a limited number, or much less match because there are less AOA residencies, and it's more difficult for a DO to match into an AAMC residency.

For example, Neurological Surgery had 12 Spots, and the AAMC residency had 180-something spots, and not one D.O. matched into the Allopathic program (Yes there are AOA residencies in Neurosurg but 12 openings seems like a very minute amount to count on)

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the statistics i've come across show a pretty decent discrepancy between allopathic and osteopathic medical students.

I know this from personal knowledge, but i'll post some sources for clarification, Doctor Bob.

http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddatasms2012.pdf

If you will scroll down to Figure 4 on the PDF, you will see the discrepancy I had previously noted.

All Applicants: Around 70%
Allopathic: >80%
Osteopathic: High 60's, low 70%
US International Graduates: 60%
Non-US International Graduates-60%

There is a notable difference in the Allopathic Applicant and Osteopathic Applicant graduates

Allopathic: 4000
Osteopathic: 550

-----

Also say, my comrade were interested in Neurosurgery. All the neurosurgery residency positions were filled (12 spots his year for AOA). His only hope would be to match into match into an AAMC Neurosurgery Residency. Let's see his chances:

# of total residents- 1096

% USMDs- 88%

% IMGs- 11%

% osteopathic graduates <1%


Data adapted from Brotherton S, Etzel S. Graduate medical education, 2009 - 2010. JAMA 2010; 304(11): 1255 - 1270.


Of course, you will be a Physician either way, but if you were in love with a specialty, why not give yourself the best shot? Imagine if you were in love with Urology, and you were a good enough student to match into a AOA residency, but you had to succumb to the fact that there weren't as many spots as say, AAMC residencies? You would be in a deep pile of ____


Note- These are my interpretations and rough estimations based on these calculations and the information the National Resident Matching Program has disclosed with to the public

I hope this explains my reasoning.

If you can otherwise prove this evidence, or my thinking faulty, please elaborate and if appropriate and feasible, please provide sources to the information provided. It would be greatly appreciated from Doctor Bob or anyone else that has a take on the matter.

Wait.... osteopathic graduates can do allopathic residencies?
 
Wait.... osteopathic graduates can do allopathic residencies?

Yes. It is extremely difficult to get into, and it is really competitive. You have to be a shining star to get into an Allopathic residency if you are a D.O.

However it is all from a certain perspective: AOA residencies don't focus on research as much as Allopathic residencies do. Personally, I would do AOA, but this was just for argument's sake/the number of spots that AOA residencies have for uber-competitive specialties

That being said, you will be a polished physician whatever route you may choose.
 
lots of words and numbers

I have a few comments.

1) The problem with the NRMP data you present is that it's for fellowships. The data for fellowships is not relevant to residency matching odds.

2) The comparison of number of slots for AOA NSG (12) versus ACGME NSG (180) is nearly a 10 fold difference. But so is the number of graduates (allopathic graduates outnumber the osteopathic graduates by nearly a 10 fold amount). So the odds are again fairly close. Plus,DO graduates can participate in the AOA match and MD graduates cannot.DO graduates can also participate in the ACGME match. Whether or not they get a spot is up to their individual statistics.

3) The notion that you can only get into an ACGME NSG residency if you are a DO superstar is true, but leaves out the corollary that you can only get into an ACGME NSG residency if you are an MD superstar.


If you are absolutely set on a certain specialty (and if it's a competitive one), then you'll be able to get in with either an MD or a DO assuming you put in the work. If you don't put in the work then it doesn't matter which you have. If you have a DO there are some "top tier" programs you won't be able to get into, but you won't be able to get into them from a mid-range MD school either.

Now, I went to a DO school, then went to an allopathic emergency medicine residency where I was chief. Now I'm faculty at the military's flagship EM residency program. Having seen the process from both the applicant side as well as the selection committee side, I can say that DOs can do whatever they want in the allopathic community.

But I suppose it's just anecdotal information. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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I have a few comments.

1) The problem with the NRMP data you present is that it's for fellowships. The data for fellowships is not relevant to residency matching odds.

2) The comparison of number of slots for AOA NSG (12) versus ACGME NSG (180) is nearly a 10 fold difference. But so is the number of graduates (allopathic graduates outnumber the osteopathic graduates by nearly a 10 fold amount). So the odds are again fairly close. Plus,DO graduates can participate in the AOA match and MD graduates cannot.DO graduates can also participate in the ACGME match. Whether or not they get a spot is up to their individual statistics.

3) The notion that you can only get into an ACGME NSG residency if you are a DO superstar is true, but leaves out the corollary that you can only get into an ACGME NSG residency if you are an MD superstar.

If you are absolutely set on a certain specialty (and if it's a competitive one), then you'll be able to get in with either an MD or a DO assuming you put in the work. If you don't put in the work then it doesn't matter which you have. If you have a DO there are some "top tier" programs you won't be able to get into, but you won't be able to get into them from a mid-range MD school either.

Now, I went to a DO school, then went to an allopathic emergency medicine residency where I was chief. Now I'm faculty at the military's flagship EM residency program. Having seen the process from both the applicant side as well as the selection committee side, I can say that DOs can do whatever they want in the allopathic community.

But I suppose it's just anecdotal information. Take it for what it's worth.

I like the way you think about it doc. Plus, you know more than I do for sure. I just go from word of mouth and statistics, you go by experience. 🙂

Do you think there is still bias towards D.O.'s? I'm asking because one of my cousins (who has a D.O) felt this was the case.

Oh, and just one other question not specifically pertaining to this topic:

What made you go into military medicine?

I have always been curious as to different viewpoints are, but I haven't ever been able to get close enough to a physician who is in military medicine to even ask.

It would be much appreciated if you can start a thread about yourself and Military medicine here on hSDN. Another family medicine physician laid out his schedule and described his workday, etc.

I'm very looking forward to hearing from you, as I am interested in military medicine.
 
Ontario is another "cold alert" warning...Yippee....Great....It's snowing like crazy (and it's the weekend - so no snow day 🙁 ) and the wind is so freaking strong!!! I keep getting blown over. Plus, I somehow forgot my locker combination - so for the last 3 days I have been using my friend's locker - but b/c of my stupid hand, I have to wait for her or any of our other friends to come to open the stinking locker. And my boots were in my locker, so I had to walk home without them and there is ice everywhere and I mean EVERYWHERE! on the sidewalks so it is soooooo slippery. Add my bookbag and my laptop bag = recipe for disaster. I also have to get my lock cut on Mon - b/c I honestly cannot remember that stupid code for the life of me.....🙁
 
Ontario is another "cold alert" warning...Yippee....Great....It's snowing like crazy (and it's the weekend - so no snow day 🙁 ) and the wind is so freaking strong!!! I keep getting blown over. Plus, I somehow forgot my locker combination - so for the last 3 days I have been using my friend's locker - but b/c of my stupid hand, I have to wait for her or any of our other friends to come to open the stinking locker. And my boots were in my locker, so I had to walk home without them and there is ice everywhere and I mean EVERYWHERE! on the sidewalks so it is soooooo slippery. Add my bookbag and my laptop bag = recipe for disaster. I also have to get my lock cut on Mon - b/c I honestly cannot remember that stupid code for the life of me.....🙁

I'm going to get 16 inches up here in Vermont. Well... I guess it would be down here when comparing to you.
 
Ontario is another "cold alert" warning...Yippee....Great....It's snowing like crazy (and it's the weekend - so no snow day 🙁 ) and the wind is so freaking strong!!! I keep getting blown over. Plus, I somehow forgot my locker combination - so for the last 3 days I have been using my friend's locker - but b/c of my stupid hand, I have to wait for her or any of our other friends to come to open the stinking locker. And my boots were in my locker, so I had to walk home without them and there is ice everywhere and I mean EVERYWHERE! on the sidewalks so it is soooooo slippery. Add my bookbag and my laptop bag = recipe for disaster. I also have to get my lock cut on Mon - b/c I honestly cannot remember that stupid code for the life of me.....🙁

did you honestly forget your combo? that is so.... adorbable :laugh:

I'm going to get 16 inches up here in Vermont. Well... I guess it would be down here when comparing to you.

This is... Disheartening.

Down in Jersey I just ran a mile outside and played a game of basketball outside today 😉

And are you really getting 16 inches? 😱
 
did you honestly forget your combo? that is so.... adorable

I honestly did...it was sad and totally pathetic...and for the life of me I still can't remember it...

Two weeks ago - we had around 70 cm of snow - so around 28 inches....it went up till up till my knees...honestly we were like kids - we played in the snow. (We hadn't had that much snow in 8 years, the last was in 2005)....😀
 
did you honestly forget your combo? that is so.... adorbable :laugh:



This is... Disheartening.

Down in Jersey I just ran a mile outside and played a game of basketball outside today 😉

And are you really getting 16 inches? 😱

I'm currently in Boston, so I don't know how much we got. I will see when I get back.
 
I'm currently in Boston, so I don't know how much we got. I will see when I get back.
We're getting at least 20-30 cm on Wed (snow storm apparently)....

Now, for my actual rant. I have a sub in bio today, and I would totally love that, but we have a test tomorrow (she said it is still there) and now it's hard to ask her questions in person (i mean we can ask her online, but it's not the same)...

Now, onto my lock - I don't want to go the office and ask, because I went down already and they said that I should keep trying and the receptionist asks like a billion questions and she stares at me accusingly and makes me feel so freaking small!!!
 
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