Recent residency grads with something positive to say?

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I'm about 2 years out from residency now and I can say that I really really enjoy private practice. I am a comprehensive guy who didn't do fellowship, as my residency had excellent clinical and surgical training. I too considered a Kaiser position and was offered one, but turned it down for a better opportunity. I used to be an associate for a large multispecialty group in SoCal and like many of you have written, did not like getting "used" and paid nothing for hard work. That being said, it was a great opportunity to learn a lot from senior docs and grow as a surgeon. Now I am in the Bay Area and about to buy out a 2-office practice bringing in a solid $2 mil per year in revenue. I see anywhere from 16-25 patients a day, with 1/2 day a week for surgery. We have a fairly sizeable HMO payor pool. And while there are absolutely risks and uncertainty in the future with the changing climate of healthcare, private practice affords the unique environment of flexibility, independence, and control. If I can make $250K as a general guy in a densely urban and competitive city in spite of lower reimbursement rates, increasing ACOs, high overhead, and a high penetrance of Kaiser market share, I'm pretty damn happy. Maybe I'm a control freak or that I like to "earn what I kill" as they say in private practice, but you can't be successful without taking some risks, right?

Hope that inspires the new incoming residents or residents who are about to finish training or do fellowship. It's not entirely bleak out there (as I had previously surmised), but you have to know what you want for your career, think long term, and not be afraid to explore all your options. Cheers.

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sfeyedoc, thanks for the input! Curious, but how common is this? To be in a situation like yours in comparison to others in your residency class? It just seems like there are a lot of bleak responses, and only a few positive, uplifting ones. Thank you!
 
This may be a controversial comment, but one of the biggest shortcomings of residency training is that your academic attendings typically do not know anything about the "real world" of running or even being an associate in a private practice. Let's face it: >90% of residents will end up in a private practice setting or in a HMO like Kaiser. I know your attendings want you to be the next big-time Chairman or president of ARVO, but chances are, you will end up like the 90% of us out here.

I think it is the biggest disservice to one's residents to not prepare them for the realities of the medical business world. This lack of real-world mentorship is the #1 reason new associates feel lost/unappreciated/abused with their first job. I have acquaintances who are graduating residency & fellowship, who continue to make the same career mistakes most newbies make. And often times, it is due to the poor advice given by an academic who has never experienced the outside practice environment. I think this lack of preparedness is the single biggest reason there is so much pessimism among the new graduates out there. People are afraid of things they don't know.

I'm also guessing that I'm (besides Visionary, orbitsurgMD, etc) one of the few young-ish attendings who actually take the time to post on this forum. There are a lot of naysayers on here, but believe me, Life can be very, very sweet as an eye surgeon!
 
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This may be a controversial comment, but one of the biggest shortcomings of residency training is that your academic attendings typically do not know anything about the "real world" of running or even being an associate in a private practice. Let's face it: >90% of residents will end up in a private practice setting or in a HMO like Kaiser. I know your attendings want you to be the next big-time Chairman or president of ARVO, but chances are, you will end up like the 90% of us out here.

I think it is the biggest disservice to one's residents to not prepare them for the realities of the medical business world. This lack of real-world mentorship is the #1 reason new associates feel lost/unappreciated/abused with their first job. I have acquaintances who are graduating residency & fellowship, who continue to make the same career mistakes most newbies make. And often times, it is due to the poor advice given by an academic who has never experienced the outside practice environment. I think this lack of preparedness is the single biggest reason there is so much pessimism among the new graduates out there. People are afraid of things they don't know.

I'm also guessing that I'm (besides Visionary, orbitsurgMD, etc) one of the few young-ish attendings who actually take the time to post on this forum. There are a lot of naysayers on here, but believe me, Life can be very, very sweet as an eye surgeon!


@LightBox, Did your residency prepare you or did you learn the hard way?
 
Learned the hard way -- thus wasting a few years. Common story among my friends.

Can I ask what would be your advice on how we can try to prepare ourselves for the real world if we aren't convinced our residency can adequately prepare us in that aspect? How can we best avoid "learning the hard way?"
 
I'm also guessing that I'm (besides Visionary, orbitsurgMD, etc) one of the few young-ish attendings who actually take the time to post on this forum. There are a lot of naysayers on here, but believe me, Life can be very, very sweet as an eye surgeon!

Hey!!! I know we don't see eye to eye (no pun intended), but I post on here. Bet you I've been in practice longer too...
 
Completely agree with Lightbox. Residency does not prepare you for the real world. There is so much ophthalmology to learn, there really is little opportunity to learn all the practical stuff and academic attendings are often not the right people to teach you. I was pretty much clueless when I came out of fellowship and started my 1st job. There are great opportunities that exist if you are willing to put in the work to build a practice. This doesn't happen overnight, but if you embrace this opportunity it is widely available. The limitations that I see for some people coming out of residency are:

1. Personality type- Lets face it, many of our peers are just not completely normal people. Some are truly meant to be in academics where they are insulated and able to have patients to see despite their personality "shortcomings". They could never walk into an optometrists office and sell themselves and carry on a normal conversation. This is a bit of a good thing though because many practicing ophthalmologists are equally awkward and they are your competition.

2. Entitlement- Just because you finished residency doesn't mean you have accomplished anything in the real world. Nobody is going to refer to you just because you went to a great program, published lots of papers, or have lots of awards. You have to build your practice. I've found that openly communicating with all referral sources and being humble, friendly, and always available on my cell phone at any time 24/7 is extremely important. Visiting offices, taking people to dinner, hosting continuing education events, calling to personally discuss an interesting patient that someone sent you are all very helpful. Additionally, when someone does refer you a patient, that patient is going to report back to them and describe their experience. Even if you are a brilliant clinician/surgeon, the patient will have no idea, and if they don't like you or some aspect of your practice (front desk, tech, surgery scheduler, ect) they are not going to come away with a positive impression. Unfortunately, perception is reality to patients and you have to do everything in your power to make sure they come away with the best impression possible of you and your practice.

3. Risk aversion- When we finish residency, most of us just want to start making a steady income. We typically have debt and have been working for a pittance. Many of us have young families and we need a reliable source of income. This tends to make some academic and Kaiser type jobs attractive..and they are. But after a few years when you realize how much you are collecting and the % of collections you are actually keeping, starting your own practice or joining a private group becomes much more attractive.
 
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Completely agree with Lightbox. Residency does not prepare you for the real world. There is so much ophthalmology to learn, there really is little opportunity to learn all the practical stuff and academic attendings are often not the right people to teach you. I was pretty much clueless when I came out of fellowship and started my 1st job. There are great opportunities that exist if you are willing to put in the work to build a practice. This doesn't happen overnight, but if you embrace this opportunity it is widely available. The limitations that I see for some people coming out of residency are:

1. Personality type- Lets face it, many of our peers are just not completely normal people. Some are truly meant to be in academics where they are insulated and able to have patients to see despite their personality "shortcomings". They could never walk into an optometrists office and sell themselves and carry on a normal conversation. This is a bit of a good thing though because many practicing ophthalmologists are equally awkward and they are your competition.

2. Entitlement- Just because you finished residency doesn't mean you have accomplished anything in the real world. Nobody is going to refer to you just because you went to a great program, published lots of papers, or have lots of awards. You have to build your practice. I've found that openly communicating with all referral sources and being humble, friendly, and always available on my cell phone at any time 24/7 is extremely important. Visiting offices, taking people to dinner, hosting continuing education events, calling to personally discuss an interesting patient that someone sent you are all very helpful. Additionally, when someone does refer you a patient, that patient is going to report back to them and describe their experience. Even if you are a brilliant clinician/surgeon, the patient will have no idea, and if they don't like you or some aspect of your practice (front desk, tech, surgery scheduler, ect) they are not going to come away with a positive impression. Unfortunately, perception is reality to patients and you have to do everything in your power to make sure they come away with the best impression possible of you and your practice.

3. Risk aversion- When we finish residency, most of us just want to start making a steady income. We typically have debt and have been working for a pittance. Many of us have young families and we need a reliable source of income. This tends to make some academic and Kaiser type jobs attractive..and they are. But after a few years when you realize how much you are collecting and the % of collections you are actually keeping, starting your own practice or joining a private group becomes much more attractive.

You say there are great opportunities to build a practice if willing. Are you implying solo? Or work with some people who are young in the game or interested in putting something together?

I am happy to put in work schmoozing and wining and dining people and hosting, but I'm not so excited about going out on my own. I know what it entails (my dad was a successful entrepreneur) and it's not one of my personal goals.

I would be happy with a medium size city, but don't mind commuting.
 
I am happy to put in work schmoozing and wining and dining people and hosting, but I'm not so excited about going out on my own. I know what it entails (my dad was a successful entrepreneur) and it's not one of my personal goals.
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I think most practice owners (myself included) would prefer to offer partnership to someone that: (a) brings them in a lot of $$ that they could not otherwise bring in themselves; and/or (b) displays some entrepreneurship/administrative skills so that the owners' own admin workload is reduced. I'm not interested in giving up shares of any of my companies to someone who just wants to clock-in and clock-out every day and weekend. If that was the case, I would just do the extra work myself rather than give up any control.
 
I think most practice owners (myself included) would prefer to offer partnership to someone that: (a) brings them in a lot of $$ that they could not otherwise bring in themselves; and/or (b) displays some entrepreneurship/administrative skills so that the owners' own admin workload is reduced. I'm not interested in giving up shares of any of my companies to someone who just wants to clock-in and clock-out every day and weekend. If that was the case, I would just do the extra work myself rather than give up any control.

Got it. Thank you.
 
I think most practice owners (myself included) would prefer to offer partnership to someone that: (a) brings them in a lot of $$ that they could not otherwise bring in themselves; and/or (b) displays some entrepreneurship/administrative skills so that the owners' own admin workload is reduced. I'm not interested in giving up shares of any of my companies to someone who just wants to clock-in and clock-out every day and weekend. If that was the case, I would just do the extra work myself rather than give up any control.

Can totally understand where you are coming from. That said, you are probably not someone that is in need of an associate and thus not likely to hire one anytime soon. This attitude is widely held and understandable, but I worry about new grads who are hired by practices that are in your situation, that is not in great need of an associate but looking for one to bring in lots of $$$ and do extra work for you, as opposed to a growing practice looking to expand due to opening new offices, growing patient base etc. Any new associate needs to understand that there duties will include schmoozing, brining in new business and splitting the workload. But beware of practices that haven't really expanded but are looking for associates to work for a few years with little intention to relinquish control and to share as a true partner.
 
I think it is the biggest disservice to one's residents to not prepare them for the realities of the medical business world. This lack of real-world mentorship is the #1 reason new associates feel lost/unappreciated/abused with their first job. I have acquaintances who are graduating residency & fellowship, who continue to make the same career mistakes most newbies make.

Completely agree with you LightBox! I have said for years that the programs do nothing to prepare residents for what the real world is like in practice. With the academic centers, you have the ability to have all the toys you want....in private practice, you actually have to pay for them! In the future, programs need to start educating residents for what to expect...especially with all of the changes in medicine today.
 
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Completely agree with you LightBox! I have said for years that the programs do nothing to prepare residents for what the real world is like in practice. With the academic centers, you have the ability to have all the toys you want....in private practice, you actually have to pay for them! In the future, programs need to start educating residents for what to expect...especially with all of the changes in medicine today.

In my program we regularly do manual K's and measurements for surgery. Haha. We don't get all those luxuries...
 
Completely agree with you LightBox! I have said for years that the programs do nothing to prepare residents for what the real world is like in practice. With the academic centers, you have the ability to have all the toys you want....in private practice, you actually have to pay for them! In the future, programs need to start educating residents for what to expect...especially with all of the changes in medicine today.

I could not jn good conscience recommend anybody go to a private practice where they are doing manual ks. Wonder where else they're cutting corners.
 
I could not jn good conscience recommend anybody go to a private practice where they are doing manual ks. Wonder where else they're cutting corners.

sounds like drzeke may still be in training. have to learn the basics. in first year, we were responsible for doing our own refraction instead of sending it out. there is value to learning the basics. but once you've done it, no reason to not teach your techs or automate the process.
 
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Theres a huge difference between refraction and manual Ks!

they are different but i think they are both important to know how to do yourself manually. performing manual k's is a dying skill. can't always trust your machines.
 
We have iol masters at 2 offices, but most of our main surgical sites use manual keratometry. :)

Do they then back up the manual Ks with IOL master or LensStar? We had to do that with our initial cataracts.

If not do the surgeons consent the patients that they are not getting what is likely the standard of care in cataract surgery pre-operative planning? That's almost akin to the days prior to Goldmann tonometry and the arguments just after its arrival that manual palpating was just as good.

Also, if you use the manual keratometer when was the last time it was calibrated and can the clinic even find the standardized spheres used for calibration? We took forever to find ours and many of our machines were out of calibration once we finally did find them.
 
Do they then back up the manual Ks with IOL master or LensStar? We had to do that with our initial cataracts.

If not do the surgeons consent the patients that they are not getting what is likely the standard of care in cataract surgery pre-operative planning? That's almost akin to the days prior to Goldmann tonometry and the arguments just after its arrival that manual palpating was just as good.

Also, if you use the manual keratometer when was the last time it was calibrated and can the clinic even find the standardized spheres used for calibration? We took forever to find ours and many of our machines were out of calibration once we finally did find them.

We consent patients appropriately. No we do not talk about our equipment differences compared to that of a private practice. I'm pretty sure the patients already understand this when they are free care patients getting surgery done at a resident run clinic.
 
We consent patients appropriately. No we do not talk about our equipment differences compared to that of a private practice. I'm pretty sure the patients already understand this when they are free care patients getting surgery done at a resident run clinic.

We were just talking about how the academic centers have the toys versus private practice when you have to pay for them. The iol master is not a "toy." Optical biometry is standard of care. Avastin is not as good as eyelea but it's good enough. Manual ks are hardly considered good enough in 2015!
 
We were just talking about how the academic centers have the toys versus private practice when you have to pay for them. The iol master is not a "toy." Optical biometry is standard of care. Avastin is not as good as eyelea but it's good enough. Manual ks are hardly considered good enough in 2015!

Not to mention -- do you always use standard SRK? Or do you have to manually calculate Hoffer Q, SRK/T, etc. on each patient? IOLMaster is cheap and I'm sure your program can pick up a cheap one used at least. It's astounding and a bit unbelievable to me that a modern residency program would use manual Ks for all their patients in resident clinic. Free care should != substandard care...not to mention the extra time all that takes!
 
I believe each resident gets 10 or 20 "free" toric and restor lenses now? It would be an extremely bad idea to put those in without topography...and it would be a shame not to learn how to properly put those in.
 
I believe each resident gets 10 or 20 "free" toric and restor lenses now? It would be an extremely bad idea to put those in without topography...and it would be a shame not to learn how to properly put those in.

We put torics in at the places where we have iol master.
 
Not to mention -- do you always use standard SRK? Or do you have to manually calculate Hoffer Q, SRK/T, etc. on each patient? IOLMaster is cheap and I'm sure your program can pick up a cheap one used at least. It's astounding and a bit unbelievable to me that a modern residency program would use manual Ks for all their patients in resident clinic. Free care should != substandard care...not to mention the extra time all that takes!

We manually calculate, I believe...I haven't personally done it yet. We actually get pretty good outcomes. Staff helps teach lens selection and calculation. I don't know how often the keratometers are recalibrated.

I'm not disagreeing that we should have iol masters everywhere we do surgery. But the reality is that we do not. I so not know why... I do not ask so many questions... I try to keep my head down and do my job...
 
We were just talking about how the academic centers have the toys versus private practice when you have to pay for them. The iol master is not a "toy." Optical biometry is standard of care. Avastin is not as good as eyelea but it's good enough. Manual ks are hardly considered good enough in 2015!

An A scan is also a form of optical biometry, right? To measure axial length.
I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately there is no other place for patients to go where I am located. I know iol master isn't a fancy toy, but i guess for me it's a luxury. What else can I say? I am a first year and I'm probably not the best to answer your Questions on how we fair without iol master. I don't think I can provide much more insight :)
 
Haha, wow you guys are really putting this 1st year through the grinder! It is residency cataract surgery for goodness sake. Not premium cataract surgery at Durrie's or Slade's.
 
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Haha, wow you guys are really putting this 1st year through the grinder! It is residency cataract surgery for goodness sake. Not premium cataract surgery at Durrie's or Slade's.

Maybe I look at it differently but every patient deserves the best we can provide. A resident should be shooting for perfection in every surgery they do. That patient is someone's mom/dad/son/daughter/etc. This is not directed at Dr Zeke, but just a general statement.

In regards to manual K's and using an outdated formula (SRK) one can argue that it's a free clinic etc, whatever. But if you miss your target in that patient and leave them hyperopic you are potentially leaving them permanently reliant on glasses. So now you've taken a patient that requires a free clinic to get the care they need and now making them find a way to pay for spectacles for them to be able to get back to the workforce. From a public health standpoint it is much more cost effective to use the right equipment and get it right. (As a caveat this is for the U.S. Healthcare system and may not apply to other countries throughout the world)
 
Thought I'd wade back in here. Totally agree with the striking lack of business training in medicine. Honestly, though, most university-based training programs are horribly run businesses, anyway. Not sure they're the best ones to train us, lol! It ends up being on-the-job training, essentially, and it's not as bad as you might think. Seems that more and more fresh docs are going to employment route to avoid grappling with the increasingly complex business climate, but I can't really blame them. This isn't the same medicine our mentors practiced back in the day.

Interestingly, though, our local medical society performed a survey of physician satisfaction a couple years ago that included designation of employed or private practice status and time at that status. The most satisfied physicians, on the whole, were those who were employed. However, when you drilled down into the data, that feeling switched after being employed for 3+ years. Not surprisingly, that's when hospitals and HMOs typically renegotiate contracts and put the screws to you. Yes, you don't have to worry about the business end, but you also have no control over the business end. In the long run, I think you're much better off in private practice, even with all the changes on the horizon.

Personal anecdote from residency. We had a VA eye clinic with one particularly toxic technician. Because the ancillary staff were all VA employees and unionized, she was nearly untouchable. Took a few years of continued complaints to finally get her fired. Personally, I find much more stress in lack of control than in the day-to-day of being in control. That said, there are some who will feel differently.
 
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Maybe I look at it differently but every patient deserves the best we can provide. A resident should be shooting for perfection in every surgery they do. That patient is someone's mom/dad/son/daughter/etc. This is not directed at Dr Zeke, but just a general statement.

In regards to manual K's and using an outdated formula (SRK) one can argue that it's a free clinic etc, whatever. But if you miss your target in that patient and leave them hyperopic you are potentially leaving them permanently reliant on glasses. So now you've taken a patient that requires a free clinic to get the care they need and now making them find a way to pay for spectacles for them to be able to get back to the workforce. From a public health standpoint it is much more cost effective to use the right equipment and get it right. (As a caveat this is for the U.S. Healthcare system and may not apply to other countries throughout the world)

Easiest solution to problem: backrow buys an IOL Master and donates it to DrZeke's program. Problem solved!
 
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Thought I'd wade back in here. Totally agree with the striking lack of business training in medicine. Honestly, though, most university-based training programs are horribly run businesses, anyway. Not sure they're the best ones to train us, lol! It ends up being on-the-job training, essentially, and it's not as bad as you might think. Seems that more and more fresh docs are going to employment route to avoid grappling with the increasingly complex business climate, but I can't really blame them. This isn't the same medicine our mentors practiced back in the day.

That is unfortunate though because 98% of "business" is simply common sense. Medical students seem to think that unless you have the business acumen of Donald Trump or Warren Buffet, you will be doomed to a life of financial ruination if you attempt to buy or run a private practice. That is simply not so. Obviously, practices are businesses and you have to have a basic understanding of profit/loss and that sort of thing but it's not difficult.

I think with respect to medical practices, it's more about process analysis than things like inventory control or logistics.

Personal example.....I got referred to see an allergist. So I check in and the receptionist hands me a massive stack of paperwork to complete and asks for my insurance card to make a copy of. So I dutifully fill out the massive stack of paperwork but I left the section for insurance with it's request for me to once again enter my full name, birthdate, group ID number individual ID number etc. etc. blank because she was going to make a copy of my card.

I take the paperwork up to her and she snarks at me that she needs that section filled out. "Oh, ok....I thought you were going to make a copy of my card." So I take my card, copy all the information from the card onto the sheet, return it to her AND THEN SHE MAKES A COPY OF MY CARD AND PUTS IT IN MY FILE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHEET I JUST FILLED OUT! Right in front of me!

So what's the lesson about process here?

1) Why weren't the forms emailed to me or made available for me to fill out online and bring in with me or have them printed off at the office?

2) Patients hate filling out tons of paperwork. Why are you demanding that I print out all my insurance information (in my messy handwriting) when you are going to make a copy of my insurance card anyways?

The best part is that when I presented for the followup, she demanded that I fill out the COMPLETE STACK OF PAPERWORK AGAIN because my first appointment was in November and the second was in February and since it was a "new year" the "office policy" was that the complete stack of paperwork be filled out again, IN IT"S ENTIRETY.

I told them absolutely nothing had changed and I was curtly informed that that was "the policy." Well my policy is to not waste 20 minutes of my day filling out needless paperwork and I walked out. I'm never going back to that guy. And the doctor was nice. I liked him. But I don't need that aggravation. Most patients don't.

That's the kind of thing you need to think about when in private practice. Process.

Interestingly, though, our local medical society performed a survey of physician satisfaction a couple years ago that included designation of employed or private practice status and time at that status. The most satisfied physicians, on the whole, were those who were employed. However, when you drilled down into the data, that feeling switched after being employed for 3+ years. Not surprisingly, that's when hospitals and HMOs typically renegotiate contracts and put the screws to you. Yes, you don't have to worry about the business end, but you also have no control over the business end. In the long run, I think you're much better off in private practice, even with all the changes on the horizon.

Personal anecdote from residency. We had a VA eye clinic with one particularly toxic technician. Because the ancillary staff were all VA employees and unionized, she was nearly untouchable. Took a few years of continued complaints to finally get her fired. Personally, I find much more stress in lack of control than in the day-to-day of being in control. That said, there are some who will feel differently.

I wish I could like that 1000 times because that's exactly it. As the practice owner, I can set my hours, I can paint the walls purple, I can hire/fire who I want, I don't have to wear a tie if I don't want, I can buy what equipment I want and I hammer a much fatter check at the end of the month than I ever did as an employee. Are there certain negative aspects to being in the Captain's Chair? Of course, but those negatives are miniscule compared to the negatives of working for someone else.
 
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That is unfortunate though because 98% of "business" is simply common sense. Medical students seem to think that unless you have the business acumen of Donald Trump or Warren Buffet, you will be doomed to a life of financial ruination if you attempt to buy or run a private practice. That is simply not so. Obviously, practices are businesses and you have to have a basic understanding of profit/loss and that sort of thing but it's not difficult.

I think with respect to medical practices, it's more about process analysis than things like inventory control or logistics.

Personal example.....I got referred to see an allergist. So I check in and the receptionist hands me a massive stack of paperwork to complete and asks for my insurance card to make a copy of. So I dutifully fill out the massive stack of paperwork but I left the section for insurance with it's request for me to once again enter my full name, birthdate, group ID number individual ID number etc. etc. blank because she was going to make a copy of my card.

I take the paperwork up to her and she snarks at me that she needs that section filled out. "Oh, ok....I thought you were going to make a copy of my card." So I take my card, copy all the information from the card onto the sheet, return it to her AND THEN SHE MAKES A COPY OF MY CARD AND PUTS IT IN MY FILE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHEET I JUST FILLED OUT! Right in front of me!

So what's the lesson about process here?

1) Why weren't the forms emailed to me or made available for me to fill out online and bring in with me or have them printed off at the office?

2) Patients hate filling out tons of paperwork. Why are you demanding that I print out all my insurance information (in my messy handwriting) when you are going to make a copy of my insurance card anyways?

The best part is that when I presented for the followup, she demanded that I fill out the COMPLETE STACK OF PAPERWORK AGAIN because my first appointment was in November and the second was in February and since it was a "new year" the "office policy" was that the complete stack of paperwork be filled out again, IN IT"S ENTIRETY.

I told them absolutely nothing had changed and I was curtly informed that that was "the policy." Well my policy is to not waste 20 minutes of my day filling out needless paperwork and I walked out. I'm never going back to that guy. And the doctor was nice. I liked him. But I don't need that aggravation. Most patients don't.

That's the kind of thing you need to think about when in private practice. Process.



I wish I could like that 1000 times because that's exactly it. As the practice owner, I can set my hours, I can paint the walls purple, I can hire/fire who I want, I don't have to wear a tie if I don't want, I can buy what equipment I want and I hammer a much fatter check at the end of the month than I ever did as an employee. Are there certain negative aspects to being in the Captain's Chair? Of course, but those negatives are miniscule compared to the negatives of working for someone else.


Do you ever send anonymous patient-testers through your system to see what their experiences are with scheduling an appointment, registering, tech workup, etc?
 
Any more contributions to the OP's question/concerns. I'm starting ophtho this year, and i'm also interested in getting more feedback form recent grads regarding
1. fellowship trained or not
2. ease of landing a job/how many offers did u get
3. starting salaries/benefits if you don't mind sharing (please post anonymously if concerned about ur privacy/identity)
4. location/practice settings
5. general advice for those in the pipeline regarding landing that first jeeerrrbb!! :)

thanks!!!

1. Yes
2. Several to choose from.
3. 220K + bonus and benefits
4. Academic
5. Work very hard in residency. Apply early. Ask your attendings for help.
 
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when looking around for a job, my advice is to look around broadly geographically, unless you have very strong family/personal ties to an area.

A lot of people who are unhappy with their initial positions went to that particular job because of geography alone. If you go to a job because of the location (or salary) without regards to whether you get along with the office people, long commute, or other quality of life features, then it may be difficult to stay. People who go to a job who like their colleagues and enjoy the work itself, can often stay and work things out even if the location is not particularly optimal to begin with. In a highly competitive area, your salary will be less, as will be your future leverage for a reasonable practice buy in.

With broad geographic thinking, I think it is also important to remember that at least with fee for service, you pretty much get reimbursed the same per procedure wherever you go . There are small geographic adjustments, but you will pretty much more or less get the same for a phaco/vitrectomy/laser in one place versus another. So if you're getting the same fee, do you want to pay 40% overhead or 60% at your private practice? Do you want to pay 0% state income tax or 12-13% state income tax? Do you want to buy your nice house at $150 sq/ft, or $750 sq/ft? Obviously these are the extremes and the ideal is to find a happy medium, but definitely things to consider.
 
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Lilbigfoot,

I just had to respond to your post because I was basically in your shoes last year when I was deciding to go into ophtho or not. Like you, I was worried about many factors and wanted to make sure I "made the right decision." But what I realized through the process is this: ophthalmology is an amazing field and you get to do great things for patients. There are not many fields that are as rewarding as ophtho. And yeah, you might not get paid like a neurosurgeon or orthopod but honestly I enjoy ophtho much more than any other field I have encountered. At the end of the day it is all about taking care of patients and enjoying what you are doing. And for me, only ophtho would provide me this.

Also, there is a huge difference between how much money you make and how much you save. In my book, savings are much more important than yearly net income.
 
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