Rectal Exams

[dumbest premed]

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My friend who is in med school told me that when it was time to to learn the digital rectal exam in the H&P class they used students as volunteers and if they couldn't get enough volunteers they would pick random students.😱 As a student who will be applying to med school next year i am extremely concerned about this. I don't want to volunteer for this. I don't know what to do. If i have to do this i might consider another field. I don't want to have to drop my britches in front of 150 other students. What do i do if I am really against doing this? Will they still let me learn the technique if i don't want to be a volunteer? Someone help me!😱

 

[Tuesday Weld]

I never heard of that.

What's the medical school that your friend attends?

Originally posted by dumbest premed
My friend who is in med school told me that when it was time to to learn the digital rectal exam in the H&P class they used students as volunteers and if they couldn't get enough volunteers they would pick random students.😱 As a student who will be applying to med school next year i am extremely concerned about this. I don't want to volunteer for this. I don't know what to do. If i have to do this i might consider another field. I don't want to have to drop my britches in front of 150 other students. What do i do if I am really against doing this? Will they still let me learn the technique if i don't want to be a volunteer? Someone help me!😱

 

[dynx]

That school would have lawsuits coming out of their a$$ (no pun intended). Your friend is BSing you.

 

[BrainDrain]

Another post from dumbest premed🙄

A rectal exam against your will is assault.

 

[dumbest premed]

Well he said that him and several other students were subjected to 50 consecutive rectal exams in a couple of hours. By the way they weren't volunteers, because they couldn't get enough people to volunteer.(They had to line up at the front of the classroom)

 

[Nirvana]

Originally posted by dumbest premed
By the way they weren't volunteers, because they couldn't get enough people to volunteer.

No, ...it sounds like they were male prostitutes, because they couldn't get enough!



I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but I highly doubt this story.

dumbest premed - Do you know the name of the University?

 

[dumbest premed]

It's some state school, but I'm not sure which.

 

[VienneseWaltz]

This is complete BS. But if you still believe it, don't apply to that med school.

 

[surge]

Originally posted by dumbest premed
Well he said that him and several other students were subjected to 50 consecutive rectal exams in a couple of hours. By the way they weren't volunteers, because they couldn't get enough people to volunteer.(They had to line up at the front of the classroom)

There is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that this is true. I'm actually shocked you can believe something like this. Please, for the sake of your future patients, develop your critical thinking skills. I don't mean this as an insult, but your either screwing with us, or there is something really worng. And at a PUBLIC school, of all? 😱 😱
Come on, please, think about what you're saying....🙄

 

[dumbest premed]

Well he was pretty serious. He said that it is an "integral part of the learning process."

 

[dumbest premed]

The reason that I am inclined to believe him for is that when i first started college i was attending a community college and there was a physician's assistant program there. One of the things many students of the program told me about was "boobs for balls day," which is pretty much self explanitory. After hearing about that, what this guy told me seems pretty comprehensible.

 

[Nirvana]

Originally posted by dumbest premed
It's some state school, but I'm not sure which.

Come on !

He's a friend of yours & you're well aware of different med schools since you're premed because you'll be applying within a year and you don't know where your friend goes to med school?!?!?

You're either holding back ...or you're really living up to your SDN nic name. 🙄

 

[Tuesday Weld]

Originally posted by Nirvana
Come on !

He's a friend of yours & you're well aware of different med schools since you're premed [...] and you don't know where your friend goes to med school?!?!?

You're either holding back ...or you're really living up to your SDN nic name. 🙄

I can hear dumbest premed's reply now:

"Well, he's not exactly a friend; he's more like an acquaintance.

And yes, I am a little like my name."

 

[dumbest premed]

Well, I don't know him VERY well. He just used to hang out with me sometimes last year and i went to a couple of parties with him. He told me about this when he came back to the campus to visit some friends. I just can't remember exactly which school he is going to. I dont want to give a name that I'm not 100% sure of. And no I'm not living up to my name....at the moment.

 

[yosemitesam]

I don't know you guys. This could really be legitimate. Some of my friends in the dental school here at MCG say they select a random student each year and extract a few of his teeth. And during the fourth year, two students are selected to have their jaw broken and used as demonstration of ensuring proper occlusion when resetting the maxilla. This whole rectal thing doesn't seem any worse than that. 😉

 

[Tuesday Weld]

"Well, I don't know him VERY well. He just used to hang out with me sometimes last year and i went to a couple of parties with him."

Immediately following my prediction. Actually, only a few minutes to be exact....that was fast ! 🙄

Post the name if you think you know.

 

[CatsAreKillers]

Originally posted by yosemitesam
And during the fourth year, two students are selected to have their jaw broken and used as demonstration of ensuring proper occlusion when resetting the maxilla.

Why don't they just do that to something useless?...

...Like a cat?

 

[geromine]

yeah, a friend of mine told me that at his medschool, whenever they run short on cadavers they just have the medstudents volunteer. Its really too bad cause he sure was a good friend.

 

[pathdr2b]

Manicmaven is going to do a GREAT job if this is really a requirement!

 

[applegirl]

Hey guys,
Those of you who are going to med school with me better keep your butts nice and clean. A little lotion and talc cannot hurt. And I promise that my hands won't be cold.

 

[dumbest premed]

But that's gotta hurt. I mean around 50 rectal exams in only 2 hours. I would be so damn sore afterwards.

 

[athena21]

dudes,
this thread had me laughing almost as hard as when I read the pubocockus bone thread...ahh the memories...

 

[Bonds756]

Originally posted by geromine
yeah, a friend of mine told me that at his medschool, whenever they run short on cadavers they just have the medstudents volunteer. Its really too bad cause he sure was a good friend.

You beat me too it 🙂

From what I understand, most schools either practice on simulated (paid actors who really must be desperate) patients or do it for the first time on real patients.
I agree making someone do it without volunteering is called assult.

 

[8744]

Fifty rectal exams?

Your friend is jerking your chain.

Seriously though, for some things, like the musculoskeletal exam and the abdominal exam we practice on each other. For male GU, however, which we are doing now, we spend two hours in the GU clinic with a resident who instructs us in the complete GU exam which we preform under his supervision on compliant patients. I have my GU clinical exposure on Monday.

Same thing for female reproductive which is the last course of our sophmore year.

The REOEO ("Rectal Exam On Each Other") is a medical school "urban-myth."

Relax.

 

[cg1]

The REOEO ("Rectal Exam On Each Other") is a medical school "urban-myth."

So what have we learned here, DumbestPreMed?

Your friend's an a$$hole (no pun intended) for letting you walk away thinking that you're discouraged from applying to medical school.

 

[Naphtali]

Dumbest premed: Shut up, you wuss. Now bend over and take it like a man.

-Naphtali

 

[Bob Dole]

Originally posted by BrainDrain
Another post from dumbest premed🙄

A rectal exam against your will is assault.

Correction: A rectal exam against your will is SODOMY. 😱

 

[VienneseWaltz]

FYI, the standardized patients (actors) typically do NOT participate in the breast/genital/rectal exam practice. At most schools, you will learn to do this kind of exam on actual (very kind) patients. I also hear the VA patients are more willing than most to let you put in IVs, etc.

 

[dumbest premed]

Okay thanks for the info. When i see this dude again I'm going to give him a piece of my mind.😡

 

[Polar girl]

The schools that I visisted that mentioned rectal exams said that students learned on standardized patients. They were just paid much better than the normal actors.

I would think it would suck for real patients to have students learning on them. Not only would you be paying for someone to stick their hand up your ass, but the person wouldn't know what the hell they were doing.

 

[cg1]

Originally posted by dumbest premed
Okay thanks for the info. When i see this dude again I'm going to give him a piece of my mind.😡

Your friend has definite homo-erotic fantasies!

Sorry, but for him to tell someone who he doesn't know even that well how fifty students shoved their fingers up his butt-hole??...

...And then to let you walk away without saying that it's a joke??
(It's not exactly a joke if you don't let the person in on the joke at the end of the day.)


Yes..that's homo-erotic. 😱

(Not that there's anything wrong with being homo, erotic, or homo-erotic )

 

[VienneseWaltz]

I guess it varies. I know at least 2 schools where the standardized patients are NOT used for gyn/rectal exams (really, how much would YOU have to be paid?), but I guess some places do ask them. I agree, it would suck to be sick and have a bunch of med students sticking their fingers up your a$$, but that's one risk of being treated in a teaching hospital. And some things you have no choice but to learn on actual patients (e.g., obstetrical exams).

 

[dumbest premed]

Nah...this guy is as straight as a yardstick. I've seen him at parties. I think that he was just trying to scare me out of applying to med school next year. If i was a patient i sure wouldn't want 20 students sticking their fingers up my ass though. With all of the patients rights acts and stuff like that I think that they have to get consent from the patients first before a student learns on them.

 

[VienneseWaltz]

A patient can refuse to let a student do a procedure or exam. For that matter, a patient can refuse to let ANYONE do a particular procedure or exam. Signed consent applies to the procedure, not who does it (except in certain cases, e.g., in PA, med students can't put in a central line). Patients can be surprisingly cooperative, though.

 

[sponch]

Is your friend going to that new prison medical school?

 

[womansurg]

Originally posted by VienneseWaltz
FYI, the standardized patients (actors) typically do NOT participate in the breast/genital/rectal exam practice.

Ah, NOT necessarily. At our school there were paid medical models whom we performed pelvic exams on. The day I did it, they were these two very earthy, very crunchy ladies, probably in their forties, with lots of body hair and no make up. "I'm on my period, so don't worry if there's a little blood" one of them assured us in the orientation. I think they each underwent a dozen or so exams that day.

It was okay. They were very maternal in their attitude with us - reassuring and guiding us on how to conduct the exam so that the patient had the least discomfort or embarrassment.

 

[cg1]

What's a crunchy person?

Do you mean "crusty"???

As in:
"that crusty old man"...

Originally posted by womansurg
Ah, NOT necessarily. At our school there were paid medical models whom we performed pelvic exams on. The day I did it, they were these two very earthy, very crunchy ladies, probably in their forties, with lots of body hair and no make up. "I'm on my period, so don't worry if there's a little blood" one of them assured us in the orientation. I think they each underwent a dozen or so exams that day.

It was okay. They were very maternal in their attitude with us - reassuring and guiding us on how to conduct the exam so that the patient had the least discomfort or embarrassment.

 

[VienneseWaltz]

womansurg--read the rest of the posts.

 

[Explosivo]

Well this story is sort of related to the topic of the thread so I thought I'd bring it up. Several years ago at UIC Med there was a particular professor who had a unique method of teaching the rectal exam.

Basically, he would have all his students perform on it on him since, after all, he more than anyone else would be able to tell them if they were doing it correctly. Pretty strange but basically everyone would take turns performing a rectal on him.

 

[tryingagain]

I'm trying to ween (sp?) myself off of posting on SDN but I can't resist.

Dumbest premed is obviously pulling all of your chains and you all fell for it. I bet he sits at his computer and laughs his ass off at all of you.

I'm going to sign up under an different name and make equally absurd statements. Then I'll sit back and giggle at the gullible little undergrads that actually take everything on this site so seriously.

Damn you people crack me up too.

 

[fava]

crunchy as in granola-y, hippy-ish.
not crusty, i don't think. though it would've been funny if that's what she meant...

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by fava
crunchy as in granola-y, hippy-ish.
not crusty, i don't think. though it would've been funny if that's what she meant...

Juat the laugh I needed to lighten up a day spent studying Physics for the MCAT! Keep it coming dumbest premed!

 

[Adcadet]

Originally posted by yosemitesam
I don't know you guys. This could really be legitimate. Some of my friends in the dental school here at MCG say they select a random student each year and extract a few of his teeth. And during the fourth year, two students are selected to have their jaw broken and used as demonstration of ensuring proper occlusion when resetting the maxilla. This whole rectal thing doesn't seem any worse than that. 😉

I don't even want to know what MCG does for epidemiology labs!

 

[JM.]

Dumbest Premed -

If you didn't mind dropping your pants for someone to take the MCAT for you -- what's the problem with a little, teensy, weensy, tickly rectal exam?

 

[Dr.Tong]

This is all B.S. My buddy told me that you get to practice on yourself while in med school. That way, you get the best of both worlds. Of course, he wasn't in med school, but it's just what he heard. Either way, it's win-win.

 

[DW]

i think dumbest premed is related to pfiller

 

[dumbest premed]

Dumbest Premed -

If you didn't mind dropping your pants for someone to take the MCAT for you -- what's the problem with a little, teensy, weensy, tickly rectal exam?



Compared to 50 gloved, lubed, cold, and shaky fingers, dropping my pants is just a walk in the park By the way..I never got any responses on that one.. the offer still stands😉