Referred to ABLE MSUCHM

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After interviewing with Michigan State University College of Human Medicine I was referred to the Advanced Baccalaureate Learning Experience (ABLE) postbaccalaureate program and was told that it is recommended rather than direct admission. I was told the program has direct admission upon completion and that the program director will reach out to get more information from me. The final decision will be made in June 2023. I was also told that referral to the ABLE program does not guarantee acceptance to the ABLE program.

My question is:

1.) has anyone heard of this program
2.) I have not heard from the program director yet. Should I send an email or wait?

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It likely would be significantly cheaper to apply again than do this program (plus, you are likely making money/increasing your savings during your gap year). If you have any other acceptances at all, go there and don't consider the ABLE program.

If you think you could benefit from this post-bac or really want to attend MSU CHM, then do the ABLE. But as Goro said, this sounds like any other money grab, similar to how most other schools have their own SMPs and Masters in blah blah blah.
 
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This is their nice way of telling you that you are rejected, and the primary reason is because of your stats, but that if you do their post-bacc and do well this could translate into an acceptance. For some low stat applicants, such a program might make a lot of sense as it gives you a direct path to acceptance when otherwise you might not be able to overcome years of low stats.

However, since it appears from your post history that you have an acceptance, I would take that and run.
 
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First, there's is no collusion. But there is the play on which you think you want to do... take your acceptance to a new DO program or take your chances with a postbac to med bridge program to a more established school.

I would still let it play out knowing your have an offer already in hand. But it is likely you are not in a high priority group on that program's waitlist.
 
Wow. All of these responses are so nasty. From someone who is ACTUALLY in the ABLE program...

  • They pay for your tuition in-full AND you get a stipend for housing (not a money sucker)
  • They only accept up to 12 students BECAUSE they pay for your tuition.
  • Being a small cohort, you get to know your CHM professors very well -- a huge benefit once you matriculate the following year.
  • Acceptance to MSUCHM is pretty much a guarantee. You have to get a 3.2 overall GPA in your ABLE year (but you also get free tutoring, working with an education specialist, work with professors, etc) so they don't let you fail. In fact, in the history of ABLE, very few students did not matriculate the following year (less than 10 students in the 30+ years of the program). They often refer to it just as a 5-year MD program.
  • You get to join any student organizations through the medical school that you want, resulting in more years of leadership positions if you so choose.
  • You can put anything from your ABLE year on your ERAS, including publications, shadowing, etc. a HUGE advantage.
  • You take anatomy, anatomy lab, neuroscience, biochem/histo through the medical school and all but 1 of those classes you get the exact same curriculum so you're way more prepared for your M1 year. You also take neurobiology, physiology, and a public health class.
  • Because you take anatomy your summer and first semester, you can TA/bluecoat for undergrads/M1s starting 2nd semester of your ABLE year (great for people interested in surgical specialties)!!
  • We've already started doing practice step 1 questions
  • You have a mentor who helps you with study techniques, test strategy, etc. this has helped me IMMENSLEY
  • You can even participate in CHM research forums (easy way to get publications)
  • You meet with the residency advisor in the summer so you get extra time to plan a path to residency apps
  • Because you're so close with your professors, your LORs are amazing and personal, especially if you want them for scholarships.
  • Students in who did ABLE are known in CHM because they are SO far ahead of their classmates because they've seen so much of the material already. They even distribute ABLE students among different learning pods because they know the ABLE students will help their classmates with the content.
  • ABLE is only for disadvantage students who faced adversities during undergrad which likely impacted their ability to succeed academically. My classmates have battled the unthinkable and still managed to make it into medical school. They understand how much more difficult it is to gain acceptance to medical school when you don't come from extreme privilege like the majority of medical students. They are incredible and so much kinder and humbler than the narcissistic, stuck-up students that make up a lot of medical school classes. From their stories alone, I've learned so much about atypical barriers to care and how to show empathy for those who come from different backgrounds than myself, lessons that will directly change how I deliver medicine to my future patients (and that a LOT of physicians/students could benefit from, see above).

I, too, was disappointed that I was referred to do an ABLE year instead of directly entering CHM, but honestly, I think if I had the choice now, I would opt to do ABLE. It's not like other post-baccs/SMP where you are one of many students taking undergraduate/graduate classes spending thousands of dollars without even a guaranteed acceptance. You can't apply to the ABLE program. You apply to CHM through AAMCAS and interview just like every other applicant. You have a reserved seat for you in CHM for the following August. There are SO many advantages to this program that will help you in the long run, it's worth it.
 
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Wow. All of these responses are so nasty. From someone who is ACTUALLY in the ABLE program...

  • They pay for your tuition in-full AND you get a stipend for housing (not a money sucker)
  • They only accept up to 12 students BECAUSE they pay for your tuition.
  • Being a small cohort, you get to know your CHM professors very well -- a huge benefit once you matriculate the following year.
  • Acceptance to MSUCHM is pretty much a guarantee. You have to get a 3.2 overall GPA in your ABLE year (but you also get free tutoring, working with an education specialist, work with professors, etc) so they don't let you fail. In fact, in the history of ABLE, very few students did not matriculate the following year (less than 10 students in the 30+ years of the program). They often refer to it just as a 5-year MD program.
  • You get to join any student organizations through the medical school that you want, resulting in more years of leadership positions if you so choose.
  • You can put anything from your ABLE year on your ERAS, including publications, shadowing, etc. a HUGE advantage.
  • You take anatomy, anatomy lab, neuroscience, biochem/histo through the medical school and all but 1 of those classes you get the exact same curriculum so you're way more prepared for your M1 year. You also take neurobiology, physiology, and a public health class.
  • Because you take anatomy your summer and first semester, you can TA/bluecoat for undergrads/M1s starting 2nd semester of your ABLE year (great for people interested in surgical specialties)!!
  • We've already started doing practice step 1 questions
  • You have a mentor who helps you with study techniques, test strategy, etc. this has helped me IMMENSLEY
  • You can even participate in CHM research forums (easy way to get publications)
  • You meet with the residency advisor in the summer so you get extra time to plan a path to residency apps
  • Because you're so close with your professors, your LORs are amazing and personal, especially if you want them for scholarships.
  • Students in who did ABLE are known in CHM because they are SO far ahead of their classmates because they've seen so much of the material already. They even distribute ABLE students among different learning pods because they know the ABLE students will help their classmates with the content.
  • ABLE is only for disadvantage students who faced adversities during undergrad which likely impacted their ability to succeed academically. My classmates have battled the unthinkable and still managed to make it into medical school. They understand how much more difficult it is to gain acceptance to medical school when you don't come from extreme privilege like the majority of medical students. They are incredible and so much kinder and humbler than the narcissistic, stuck-up students that make up a lot of medical school classes. From their stories alone, I've learned so much about atypical barriers to care and how to show empathy for those who come from different backgrounds than myself, lessons that will directly change how I deliver medicine to my future patients (and that a LOT of physicians/students could benefit from, see above).

I, too, was disappointed that I was referred to do an ABLE year instead of directly entering CHM, but honestly, I think if I had the choice now, I would opt to do ABLE. It's not like other post-baccs/SMP where you are one of many students taking undergraduate/graduate classes spending thousands of dollars without even a guaranteed acceptance. You can't apply to the ABLE program. You apply to CHM through AAMCAS and interview just like every other applicant. You have a reserved seat for you in CHM for the following August. There are SO many advantages to this program that will help you in the long run, it's worth it.
Thanks so much for your input. I was referred to ABLE this cycle and I'm grateful for the opportunity. Hoping I get selected in June! :)
 
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Thanks so much for your input. I was referred to ABLE this cycle and I'm grateful for the opportunity. Hoping I get selected in June! :)
Also referred! I hoping the same for the both of us. Have they reached out to you for more information yet?
 
I was also referred to ABLE last month. It seems like a wonderful opportunity. Fingers crossed
 
The only feedback I ever heard from my peers who went through ABLE was overwhelmingly positive, so it was somewhat amusing seeing how quickly people assume the worst with no background knowledge of the program...
 
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Wow. All of these responses are so nasty. From someone who is ACTUALLY in the ABLE program...

  • They pay for your tuition in-full AND you get a stipend for housing (not a money sucker)
  • They only accept up to 12 students BECAUSE they pay for your tuition.
  • Being a small cohort, you get to know your CHM professors very well -- a huge benefit once you matriculate the following year.
  • Acceptance to MSUCHM is pretty much a guarantee. You have to get a 3.2 overall GPA in your ABLE year (but you also get free tutoring, working with an education specialist, work with professors, etc) so they don't let you fail. In fact, in the history of ABLE, very few students did not matriculate the following year (less than 10 students in the 30+ years of the program). They often refer to it just as a 5-year MD program.
  • You get to join any student organizations through the medical school that you want, resulting in more years of leadership positions if you so choose.
  • You can put anything from your ABLE year on your ERAS, including publications, shadowing, etc. a HUGE advantage.
  • You take anatomy, anatomy lab, neuroscience, biochem/histo through the medical school and all but 1 of those classes you get the exact same curriculum so you're way more prepared for your M1 year. You also take neurobiology, physiology, and a public health class.
  • Because you take anatomy your summer and first semester, you can TA/bluecoat for undergrads/M1s starting 2nd semester of your ABLE year (great for people interested in surgical specialties)!!
  • We've already started doing practice step 1 questions
  • You have a mentor who helps you with study techniques, test strategy, etc. this has helped me IMMENSLEY
  • You can even participate in CHM research forums (easy way to get publications)
  • You meet with the residency advisor in the summer so you get extra time to plan a path to residency apps
  • Because you're so close with your professors, your LORs are amazing and personal, especially if you want them for scholarships.
  • Students in who did ABLE are known in CHM because they are SO far ahead of their classmates because they've seen so much of the material already. They even distribute ABLE students among different learning pods because they know the ABLE students will help their classmates with the content.
  • ABLE is only for disadvantage students who faced adversities during undergrad which likely impacted their ability to succeed academically. My classmates have battled the unthinkable and still managed to make it into medical school. They understand how much more difficult it is to gain acceptance to medical school when you don't come from extreme privilege like the majority of medical students. They are incredible and so much kinder and humbler than the narcissistic, stuck-up students that make up a lot of medical school classes. From their stories alone, I've learned so much about atypical barriers to care and how to show empathy for those who come from different backgrounds than myself, lessons that will directly change how I deliver medicine to my future patients (and that a LOT of physicians/students could benefit from, see above).

I, too, was disappointed that I was referred to do an ABLE year instead of directly entering CHM, but honestly, I think if I had the choice now, I would opt to do ABLE. It's not like other post-baccs/SMP where you are one of many students taking undergraduate/graduate classes spending thousands of dollars without even a guaranteed acceptance. You can't apply to the ABLE program. You apply to CHM through AAMCAS and interview just like every other applicant. You have a reserved seat for you in CHM for the following August. There are SO many advantages to this program that will help you in the long run, it's worth it.
I don't think the responses were nasty, obviously this is an unusual program. And I actually said that it could make a lot of sense for an applicant whose primary problem is stats given the potential for a direct admission.

For the OP, I still would have a hard time declining an acceptance, even at a newer program, for essentially an SMP.
 
Wow. All of these responses are so nasty. From someone who is ACTUALLY in the ABLE program...

  • They pay for your tuition in-full AND you get a stipend for housing (not a money sucker)
  • They only accept up to 12 students BECAUSE they pay for your tuition.
  • Being a small cohort, you get to know your CHM professors very well -- a huge benefit once you matriculate the following year.
  • Acceptance to MSUCHM is pretty much a guarantee. You have to get a 3.2 overall GPA in your ABLE year (but you also get free tutoring, working with an education specialist, work with professors, etc) so they don't let you fail. In fact, in the history of ABLE, very few students did not matriculate the following year (less than 10 students in the 30+ years of the program). They often refer to it just as a 5-year MD program.
  • You get to join any student organizations through the medical school that you want, resulting in more years of leadership positions if you so choose.
  • You can put anything from your ABLE year on your ERAS, including publications, shadowing, etc. a HUGE advantage.
  • You take anatomy, anatomy lab, neuroscience, biochem/histo through the medical school and all but 1 of those classes you get the exact same curriculum so you're way more prepared for your M1 year. You also take neurobiology, physiology, and a public health class.
  • Because you take anatomy your summer and first semester, you can TA/bluecoat for undergrads/M1s starting 2nd semester of your ABLE year (great for people interested in surgical specialties)!!
  • We've already started doing practice step 1 questions
  • You have a mentor who helps you with study techniques, test strategy, etc. this has helped me IMMENSLEY
  • You can even participate in CHM research forums (easy way to get publications)
  • You meet with the residency advisor in the summer so you get extra time to plan a path to residency apps
  • Because you're so close with your professors, your LORs are amazing and personal, especially if you want them for scholarships.
  • Students in who did ABLE are known in CHM because they are SO far ahead of their classmates because they've seen so much of the material already. They even distribute ABLE students among different learning pods because they know the ABLE students will help their classmates with the content.
  • ABLE is only for disadvantage students who faced adversities during undergrad which likely impacted their ability to succeed academically. My classmates have battled the unthinkable and still managed to make it into medical school. They understand how much more difficult it is to gain acceptance to medical school when you don't come from extreme privilege like the majority of medical students. They are incredible and so much kinder and humbler than the narcissistic, stuck-up students that make up a lot of medical school classes. From their stories alone, I've learned so much about atypical barriers to care and how to show empathy for those who come from different backgrounds than myself, lessons that will directly change how I deliver medicine to my future patients (and that a LOT of physicians/students could benefit from, see above).

I, too, was disappointed that I was referred to do an ABLE year instead of directly entering CHM, but honestly, I think if I had the choice now, I would opt to do ABLE. It's not like other post-baccs/SMP where you are one of many students taking undergraduate/graduate classes spending thousands of dollars without even a guaranteed acceptance. You can't apply to the ABLE program. You apply to CHM through AAMCAS and interview just like every other applicant. You have a reserved seat for you in CHM for the following August. There are SO many advantages to this program that will help you in the long run, it's worth it.

Look at their website though: ABLE | Office of Admissions | Michigan State University

There's very little information. Nothing to indicate that They pay for your tuition in-full AND you get a stipend for housing
 
for those that were referred to ABLE this year, can we make a support group please. My email says decisions will be made in June, and I have some questions about that. Would they be sending acceptances throughout these next couple of months till june? or will everyone find out in june? I've also researched and found that there is a summer semester, would that be this summer, or next summer?
 
I would be down to have a group chat! Seems like an awesome opportunity, I hope we all get in!
 
for those that were referred to ABLE this year, can we make a support group please. My email says decisions will be made in June, and I have some questions about that. Would they be sending acceptances throughout these next couple of months till june? or will everyone find out in june? I've also researched and found that there is a summer semester, would that be this summer, or next summer?
I believe we all find out if we are accepted or not in June. Also, I believe the summer semester begins this summer.
 
If it begins this summer, do you think that’s July? 🥲
I would assume so yes lol. If we find out about acceptances to the program in early June, then I would assume the summer semester begins in July :oops:
 
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I am currently in the ABLE Program. I would be more than happy to answer any questions or ease anyone’s mind! Please message me and reach out!
 
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It likely would be significantly cheaper to apply again than do this program (plus, you are likely making money/increasing your savings during your gap year). If you have any other acceptances at all, go there and don't consider the ABLE program.

If you think you could benefit from this post-bac or really want to attend MSU CHM, then do the ABLE. But as Goro said, this sounds like any other money grab, similar to how most other schools have their own SMPs and Masters in blah blah blah.
This is not a money grab program at all. I am in the ABLE Program and would be happy to answer questions!
 
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