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For those who don't know:

in high school, I performed quite poorly academically since i spent my time doing research instead of focusing on school work (and I published in a prestigious scientific journal , however that didnt carry over to the admissions officers). As a result of this I did not get into the colleges I wanted to.

In college, my first semester was HORRID...a 2.3 gpa. It was all my fault. I felt like a failure for not getting into the schools I wanted, I was surrounded by people whose work ethic/goals were pulling me down, and as a result had no motivation to work. Later during that semester, my grandfather had a lethal heart attack and my family was in a state of shock. This trauma also got to me and had me worried about what was going to happen.

My second semester improved slightly (a 3.0) but still nowhere near what I wanted to get. My first sem of sophmore year was a 2.8 then a 2.5 my second year making my cgpa a 2.7.

Im $%^&*( for med school so I applied to 3 schools that I really wanted to go too since I thought that maybe changing my environment could help me out of this trench I dug myself in. They were in big city areas and had great reputation and I was told by their admission offices to apply despite my record and that I may have a chance. McGill was my number 1 choice and UofT was my number 2. They both rejected me.

Every time I sit down to read something, to study, or to do anything. All my past failures and these rejections hit me hard and I just can't do anything. It's like ive imprisoned myself in my failed excuse for a life and I really don't know what to do anymore. Please help.
 
hey bud,

take some time for yourself, do what you love for a little bit and get your life back on track. You are not defined by your academic success. If medical school truly is the path for you, then get your **** together. Forget about what happened in the past, start kicking butt now. Osteopathic medical school is not out of the question for you.

If medical school is not the path for you, try and figure out what your strengths and interests and pursue a different path.

keep your chin up
 
tompi90 said:
For those who don't know:

in high school, I performed quite poorly academically since i spent my time doing research instead of focusing on school work (and I published in a prestigious scientific journal , however that didnt carry over to the admissions officers). As a result of this I did not get into the colleges I wanted to.

In college, my first semester was HORRID...a 2.3 gpa. It was all my fault. I felt like a failure for not getting into the schools I wanted, I was surrounded by people whose work ethic/goals were pulling me down, and as a result had no motivation to work. Later during that semester, my grandfather had a lethal heart attack and my family was in a state of shock. This trauma also got to me and had me worried about what was going to happen.

My second semester improved slightly (a 3.0) but still nowhere near what I wanted to get. My first sem of sophmore year was a 2.8 then a 2.5 my second year making my cgpa a 2.7.

Im $%^&*( for med school so I applied to 3 schools that I really wanted to go too since I thought that maybe changing my environment could help me out of this trench I dug myself in. They were in big city areas and had great reputation and I was told by their admission offices to apply despite my record and that I may have a chance. McGill was my number 1 choice and UofT was my number 2. They both rejected me.

Every time I sit down to read something, to study, or to do anything. All my past failures and these rejections hit me hard and I just can't do anything. It's like ive imprisoned myself in my failed excuse for a life and I really don't know what to do anymore. Please help.
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I would strongly encourage you to see a counselor. To be brutally honest, you either are a) not capable of succeeding in an academic environment or b) self-sabotaging. Either way, you need to speak with someone other than Internet posters on how to chart a more successful, fulfilling course for your life.
 
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I want to be a doctor, not a DO. Doctor = MD, DO = DO. So Osteopathic medicine is infact out of the question.
 
If you think a DO is not a doctor, you probably shouldn't become a doctor. With grades like that you will never become an MD.
 
tompi90 said:
I want to be a doctor, not a DO. Doctor = MD, DO = DO. So Osteopathic medicine is infact out of the question.
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Well that's a position that only limits yourself. Regardless your main problem is that you have a self-defeating attitude. You failed to get into a good college so you felt bad for yourself and you got into the slumps. You failed to work hard and got failed to get into Mcgill. No offense but you need to realize that the only one in the way of your success is yourself. Wake up and smell the coffee of course being with a crowd of losers is going to worsen your situation. So what? Drop them like a hot potato and start studying as hard as you can. And watch you'll succeed.
" You can only get out as much as you put in. "

And on the DO comment, I'm going to say that you should do some research before saying that. My uncle is a gastro ( hyper competitive IM specialty) and also a DO.
 
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@ Midwestern: Didn't know you were psychic. Thats pretty cool. Still doesn't answer what I asked.
 
They have the same scope of practice (DO = MD).
 
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Stop letting the past run your life, just flip it. Look your past is now behind you, so why don't you climb down off the cross use the wood to build a bridge
and get over it.
 
You need to ask yourself a couple of questions:

1. Is this what I REALLY want? Have you done shadowing/volunteering to confirm that this is what you want? You said you got involved in research very early, maybe your path lies there.

2. Am I willing to overcome my ego to get it? I wouldn't have asked this question except for your rejection of DO schools. MD= medical doctor. DO= doctor of osteopathic medicine. They both have "medicine" and "doctor" in the title. You have no chance at MD with those grades unless you go to the Carib which is NOT recommended right now because by the time you graduate, you won't be able to find a residency match.

You have my sympathy for the loss of your grandfather. I understand how huge that can be. However, you need to first reflect on whether you still want to do this and then sit and focus and really study. You shouldn't be getting those grades AT ALL, especially if you're trying.

Basically, at the end of the day you need to stop being tormented by the past, live in the present, and look realistically at the future. :luck:
 
ith grades like that you can still get into an MD school.You will have to work hard and change your study habits. It will take a few semesters of GPA repair (straight A's) and an SMP. Check out the low gpa thread in the postbac forum.
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EDIT: I'VE BEEN FOOLED🙁
 
tompi90 said:
I want to be a doctor, not a DO. Doctor = MD, DO = DO. So Osteopathic medicine is infact out of the question.
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It's funny how the ones with the least chance of getting into an allopathic program are the most averse to DO.

tompi90, you need to readjust your attitude on several levels if you are going to succeed. Having an irrational disdain for DOs (DOs ARE physicians, sorry if you can't handle that) just reinforces my opinion that you are not mature enough to handle this road just yet. Based on what you have said so far, you are obsessing over details and have sabotaged yourself because of that. Get over yourself and start doing better in the program you're already in.
 
@ morning: I did get into the applied biology program (its like animal biology for vet ppl), I got rejected from the actual biology program. They accepted me conditionally and were waiting for my final transcript to confirm my position.

They got my final transcript. I got a rejection call this morning.
 
tompi90 said:
I want to be a doctor, not a DO. Doctor = MD, DO = DO. So Osteopathic medicine is infact out of the question.
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Crap. I wish I'd known that before I let those voodoo witch doctors perform cosmetic/reconstructive surgery on me and deliver my daughter.
 
So you weren't applying to medical schools, but as an undergrad transfer? You made it sound like you were in fact trying to get into medical school. As a sophomore.

If you're a rising junior, you do have time to fix your GPA, but you don't appear to want to fix your attitude and you will not get anywhere without doing so.
 
@ Hifey:

1) Yes, im doing shadowing and volunteering work right now at a cancer hospital in India, I know this is what I want to do.

2) There is no ego, there is only fact. MD's are more prevalent, and more respected. There's a reason why DO schools are less selective, and have matriculants with a lower MCAT and gpa. Im not saying im better than they are. at this point im not, but I still have 4 semesters of uni left.

3) I feel so stupid compared to my friends and family friends who are all going to big brand name schools and doing well in them. It kills me that I can't do the same. Its not just affecting my academic life too, since Im so depressed about this, Im worried that its gonna negativley impact me socially as well. how do I change my attitude? How do I stop being tormented by my past failures and keep going forward?
 
@ GeekChick: if their just as good as MD's then why differentiate them as an MD and a DO? why not jst make them MD's too? Oh yea, because there is a difference.
 
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tompi90 said:
@ Hifey:

1) Yes, im doing shadowing and volunteering work right now at a cancer hospital in India, I know this is what I want to do.
Ok, that's great. I know a DO oncologist too. (Well he actually moved to be head of a department of onco somewhere, so I haven't seen or known him for a while.)

2) There is no ego, there is only fact. MD's are more prevalent, and more respected. There's a reason why DO schools are less selective, and have matriculants with a lower MCAT and gpa. Im not saying im better than they are. at this point im not, but I still have 4 semesters of uni left.
MBBS's and MBBCH's are less prevalent too; Their still doctor.

3) I feel so stupid compared to my friends and family friends who are all going to big brand name schools and doing well in them. It kills me that I can't do the same. Its not just affecting my academic life too, since Im so depressed about this, Im worried that its gonna negativley impact me socially as well. how do I change my attitude? How do I stop being tormented by my past failures and keep going forward?
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Consider professional therapy, cognitive-behavioral psychologists are trained in how to help people change their attitudes for the better.
 
tompi90 said:
2) There is no ego, there is only fact. MD's are more prevalent, and more respected. There's a reason why DO schools are less selective, and have matriculants with a lower MCAT and gpa. Im not saying im better than they are. at this point im not, but I still have 4 semesters of uni left.
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If you want to talk about facts, it's pretty obvious you aren't even a good candidate for DO schools, much less MD, and you probably won't be unless you figure stuff out.

Worrying about what other people are doing should be the last of your problems right now. It sounds like you've only been able to hold a B average for one semester. Prestige or what degrees are more respected shouldn't be a concern. With that kind of performance you'd be hard pressed to make it into a reputable Caribbean school.
 
tompi90 said:
I want to be a doctor, not a DO. Doctor = MD, DO = DO. So Osteopathic medicine is infact out of the question.
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From your story I was sympathetic to your situation. Once I read this post however, I realize your poor grades are not due to circumstance, you are NOT intelligent enough to become a doctor.
Btw, save the sob story. I have overcome FAR more difficulties in my life. You aren't special and people deal with a lot worse than being in environments that are not motivating to them. You are actually just pathetic.
 
tompi90 said:
@ Hifey:



2) There is no ego, there is only fact. MD's are more prevalent, and more respected. There's a reason why DO schools are less selective, and have matriculants with a lower MCAT and gpa. Im not saying im better than they are. at this point im not, but I still have 4 semesters of uni left.

3) I feel so stupid compared to my friends and family friends who are all going to big brand name schools and doing well in them. It kills me that I can't do the same. Its not just affecting my academic life too, since Im so depressed about this, Im worried that its gonna negativley impact me socially as well. how do I change my attitude? How do I stop being tormented by my past failures and keep going forward?
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What is this obsession with being better than everyone else? You will still not be better than DO students even if you are admitted into an MD program. How can you say that there is no ego when you think that DOs are not doctors because of admissions standards?

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos074.htm
 
PureMotivation said:
From your story I was sympathetic to your situation. Once I read this post however, I realize your poor grades are not due to circumstance, you are NOT intelligent enough to become a doctor.
Btw, save the sob story. I have overcome FAR more difficulties in my life. You aren't special and people deal with a lot worse than being in environments that are not motivating to them. You are actually just pathetic.
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That's method one of changing peoples attitudes. The realization that you aren't the belly button of the universe. People other then you also overcome things and usually harder things then you could imagine.
But alas, the OP's pretty much diluted.
 
If you're not a troll, you're a f*cking idiot.

demotivational-posters-defeat.jpeg
 
tompi90 said:
@ Hifey:

1) Yes, im doing shadowing and volunteering work right now at a cancer hospital in India, I know this is what I want to do.

You might want to volunteer stateside as well. There are plenty of DOs in practice here and it would probably help you to see that they do everything the same as MD. just saying.

2) There is no ego, there is only fact. MD's are more prevalent, and more respected. There's a reason why DO schools are less selective, and have matriculants with a lower MCAT and gpa. Im not saying im better than they are. at this point im not, but I still have 4 semesters of uni left.

As someone already mentioned, you would still have to raise your GPA for DO anyways by doing some retakes. Just try to continue doing very well but remember that you'll have to retake any Ds or Fs. MD schools would average those grades with the As you got in the retakes. DO schools would replace them --> much better GPA.

3) I feel so stupid compared to my friends and family friends who are all going to big brand name schools and doing well in them. It kills me that I can't do the same. Its not just affecting my academic life too, since Im so depressed about this, Im worried that its gonna negativley impact me socially as well. how do I change my attitude? How do I stop being tormented by my past failures and keep going forward?
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Honestly, you need to stop worrying about other people. No one is making you feel stupid except for you. I understand that there is a great deal of societal and cultural pressure but THESE PEOPLE AREN'T YOU. YOU are the one getting your grades, you are the one who has to decide on YOUR future. If this is depressing you, see a counselor and work through your issues. Instead of being academically depressed by this, you should be academically motivated to do well and work hard. There is always going to be someone better than you at every step of the way, and you need to learn how to make this a motivator rather than becoming weaker because of it.
 
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tompi90 said:
@ GeekChick: if their just as good as MD's then why differentiate them as an MD and a DO? why not jst make them MD's too? Oh yea, because there is a difference.
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I'm quite sure now that you're confusing DOs with something else, because you obviously have no idea what the degree entails. If you doubt the rigor or quality of osteopathic medical education, why don't you go lobby the AMA about it or something. Speaking of which...

H-405.969 Definition of a Physician



1. The AMA affirms that a physician is an individual who has received a "Doctor of Medicine" or a "Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine" degree or an equivalent degree following successful completion of a prescribed course of study from a school of medicine or osteopathic medicine.
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In the small chance that this is real and not a troll, you need to stop being a baby and suck it up. I don't know the most about Canadian schools but arn't McGill, U of T and U of BC basically the top 3 universities in Canada? Why should they admit you if you havn't shown you can handle college? Plenty of students get into medical schools from other colleges.
 
tompi90 said:
@ GeekChick: if their just as good as MD's then why differentiate them as an MD and a DO? why not jst make them MD's too? Oh yea, because there is a difference.
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Because historically Dr. A.T. Still MD decided that MD's usage of pharmaceuticals ( in the 19th century they were primarily mercury or other heavy metal based) was improper. He then said that the human body's immune system is interconnected with other things and that you could help the immune system and other things heal faster through means other then medication. So he formed a separate school of thought called DO ( diplomat of osteopathy). The AMA said no your wrong, we should continue using our mercury based med's and then they had a formal schism. This schism is however over when the MD's and DO's agreed that modern pharmacology is properly researched and doesn't directly leave 50< % of it's users dead or screwed up for life.
Boom 2 very similar schools of thought that are more or less the same.
That's the way philosophical and theoretical schools are formed.
 
tompi90 said:
@ GeekChick: if their just as good as MD's then why differentiate them as an MD and a DO? why not jst make them MD's too? Oh yea, because there is a difference.
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FTR, I'm still laughing at you.

There is no difference in regards to ability or scope of practice. MDs and DOs are often in practices together, they go through the same credentialing process with hospitals, and they use the exact same privilege form, with a space to denote MD or DO. The DO that delivered my daughter is in a practice with MDs, and the DO that did the surgery I mentioned is well know in his particular area of expertise in the Philadelphia area.

I'm willing to bet you've met an osteopathic physician, or maybe even been cared for by one (if not you, then a relative) and you never even noticed the difference.

Perhaps you should be less judgemental of what is virtually your only chance of attending medical school in the United States, and that's only if you retake enough of your classes to get both of your GPAs above 3.0.
 
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What's the title of this forum?
Student DOCTOR Network

What section is right below this one?
Pre-OSTEOPATHIC

What does DO stand for?
DOCTOR of OSTEOPATHY

If you want to be a DOCTOR, I would recommend applying to DO schools.

If you want to be an MD, I would recommend either a stellar 40+ MCAT score and ECs to make up for your GPA, or a miracle.
 
Compass said:
What's the title of this forum?
Student DOCTOR Network

What section is right below this one?
Pre-OSTEOPATHIC

What does DO stand for?
DOCTOR of OSTEOPATHY

If you want to be a DOCTOR, I would recommend applying to DO schools.

If you want to be an MD, I would recommend either a stellar 40+ MCAT score and ECs to make up for your GPA, or a miracle.
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Osteopathic medicine. Not Osteopathy.
😉
 
serenade said:
That's method one of changing peoples attitudes. The realization that you aren't the belly button of the universe. People other then you also overcome things and usually harder things then you could imagine.
But alas, the OP's pretty much diluted.
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OP needs a trip to the Total Perspective Vortex
 
This whole discussion is useless.

tompi90, it seems that you are very misinformed. Most people who want to devote themselves to medicine have a good idea of what they are getting themselves into and your comments about DO and MDs show either your ignorance or your immaturity. Either way, i think you need to figure a lot of things out before you continue, otherwise you are going to become more frustrated and depressed with nil chances of becoming ANY kind of doctor.
 
To the OP:

People are jumping down your throat because there are tons of people every year with better credentials than you that would do whatever it takes to become a doctor (MD or DO). Thus, your insistence on going the MD route (and going to a "brand name school") makes it seem that your priorities are more along the lines of prestige, or ego.

You've listed a lot of reasons why you haven't succeeded so far (initial disappointment with school, hanging with wrong crowd, family tragedy, feelings of inferiority/depression. But, your grades haven't really changed much over time, which means it could just be purely academic.

So if I had to guess, your problem boils down to either study habits or some sort of mental/psychiatric issue (depression, anxiety, etc). Both can be helped by counseling, just different types.
 
tompi90 said:
in high school, I performed quite poorly academically since i spent my time doing research instead of focusing on school work (and I published in a prestigious scientific journal , however that didnt carry over to the admissions officers). As a result of this I did not get into the colleges I wanted to.

In college, my first semester was HORRID...a 2.3 gpa. It was all my fault. I felt like a failure for not getting into the schools I wanted, I was surrounded by people whose work ethic/goals were pulling me down, and as a result had no motivation to work. Later during that semester, my grandfather had a lethal heart attack and my family was in a state of shock. This trauma also got to me and had me worried about what was going to happen.

My second semester improved slightly (a 3.0) but still nowhere near what I wanted to get. My first sem of sophmore year was a 2.8 then a 2.5 my second year making my cgpa a 2.7.
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With these grades, poor attitude, and inability to deal with relatively minor stresses, you'll be lucky if you manage to get into an osteopathic school. Buuuutttt....since you've already decided that being a DO isn't good enough for you, you should probably resign yourself to not being a doctor at all. <shrug>
 
Blah blah, whine whine whine.

So let me get this straight.

1) you're bombing college. This is a college you originally considered to be beneath you, mind you, so imagine how you would have done had you gotten into McGill.

2) your excuse for bombing college is that...people around you are dumber than you are. So the people who are dumber than you are work hard, do well and bring you down with them. Mhm. Oh and you blame your ethnicity in that other thread, so that's pretty cool.

3) what exactly were you looking for with your post? If it's pity, think again. Many of us have been through worse, most of us didn't go to Harvard, and the vast majority of us did better than you. And didn't complain or insult our peers in the process. If you want reassurance...well that's not gonna happen. The truth is, your grades are awful. If you get 4.0's from now on and rock your MCAT (unlikely, considering the fact that you probably didnt rock your SAT's and you obviously have academic weaknesses) you may be able to get into a low-tier MD school, but if your self-confidence is really that tied to your school's rank (and if your performance is equally dependent on your location) then you're probably not going to like where you get in anyway because it won't be a top 10. I mean, you're not going to get into HMS. You're just not. And before you make another "oh you're a psychic, har har" joke, let me save you the embarrassment. I'm not a psychic. I don't need to be.

4) People far kinder than I am threw out the DO option out there because admission to DO schools is somewhat more lax, and your gpa would be fixable (you'd have to retake classes you performed poorly in). Nevertheless, you should be so lucky as to get into a DO school with your performance and attitude. And you threw it back in their faces, saying DOs aren't real doctors. Guess what else isn't a real doctor- a kid who doesn't get into med school.

So I strongly suggest you do some introspecting. You performed poorly in high school, you performed poorly in college, and instead of seeing it as a pattern you blame everything else possible. Maybe you're just not as smart as you'd like to think. Maybe you don't know how to study. Maybe you should focus on that instead of closing doors that are barely open in the first place on principle.
 
Parts Unknown said:
Caribbean MD.
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Meh. A lot of people fail out of the Caribbean schools every year - they tend to have more relaxed acceptance policies, but make their classes very difficult so a lot of people fail. The OP barely has the wherewithal to survive undergrad; I find it hard to believe that he'll be able to make it through a Caribbean school and successfully find a residency.
 
smq123 said:
Meh. A lot of people fail out of the Caribbean schools every year - they tend to have more relaxed acceptance policies, but make their classes very difficult so a lot of people fail. The OP barely has the wherewithal to survive undergrad; I find it hard to believe that he'll be able to make it through a Caribbean school and successfully find a residency.
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Oh, I don't think he'll survive a Caribbean MD, but it happens to be the only option left for someone with a lousy GPA who doesn't want to shoot for DO school.

Edit: The only near-term option. Ultimately he'd be better off leaving university, getting a job or joining the military, and spending a few years growing-TF-up.
 
serenade said:
That's method one of changing peoples attitudes. The realization that you aren't the belly button of the universe. People other then you also overcome things and usually harder things then you could imagine.
But alas, the OP's pretty much diluted.
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I am not so ignorant to think that others have not overcome more difficult situations than myself. The difference between the OP and I is that I do not blame my shortcomings on the inherent problems in my life and then concurrently bash an institution and other people.
 
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