Residency "Points"

[UseUrHeadFred]

What kinds of things give you "points" during the Military Match?

I hear EM is hard to get in the AF...

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[edmadison]

What kinds of things give you "points" during the Military Match?

I hear EM is hard to get in the AF...

The points system is for the PGY-2 match. From what I understand the match for PGY-1 is just like that for the civilian world: the general gestalt of the candidate.

Ed

 

[Informer]

This is the first time i've heard that its only for PGY-2. From my knowledge, points are awarded based on GPA, board scores, publications and prior service. This is for both PGY-1 and PGY-2

And yes, EM is tougher to get in USAF, however, there are some that can match without become FS first.

in 2003
30 slots for EM
21 went to 0-1's (HPSP and USUHS)
9 went to 0-3's or above (either flight surgeons or those who wanted a 2nd residency or those who came into USAF after internship)

13 were on military hospitals
17 were deferred or civilian sponsored

 

[GeoLeoX]

In addition to points for the previously mentioned categories, there is a "fudge factor" where board members can give you a few points just if they like you. It behooves you to make a good impression!

 

[UseUrHeadFred]

Thanks for your help, folks.

So, I assume that getting published research (in some field) and doing audition rotations really helps, regardless of field.

Is Opthalmology hard to match in the military? Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but this subject is the most disconcerning part of the program.

 

[Informer]

in 2003, USAF GME results

4 opthal matches
2 were 0-1's
2 were 0-3's

so yea, around 2 opthal slots in 2003 went to HPSP/USUHS students
This is out of 280 students

 

[denali]

If the ophthalmology attending that introduced us to eye exams last week was any indication, you will only improve your chances by spelling "ophthalmology" on your app correctly. He dedicated a whole PPT slide on spelling it correctly on consults...that and not calling him an optometrist.

 

[UseUrHeadFred]

He dedicated a whole PPT slide on spelling it correctly on consults...that and not calling him an optometrist.

OMG

 

[Mirror Form]

in 2003, USAF GME results

4 opthal matches
2 were 0-1's
2 were 0-3's

so yea, around 2 opthal slots in 2003 went to HPSP/USUHS students
This is out of 280 students

the airforce also gives out deferrments for ophtho though. This year there are nine ophtho slots altogether in the AF, 3 at Wilford hall, and 6 civilian deferrements. Of course the number of civilian deferrments changes each year.

 

[edmadison]

OK, I spoke to our medical student coordinator and former transitional year residency director (O-6). He says that the point system only applies to PGY-2 match (for those who still do it) and to the fellowship match. He said that the PGY-1 match is and has been just like the civilian match, e.g ranking of each candidate based on the faculty's gestalt.

Hope this clears is up,

Ed

 

[rotatores]

OK, I spoke to our medical student coordinator and former transitional year residency director (O-6). He says that the point system only applies to PGY-2 match (for those who still do it) and to the fellowship match. He said that the PGY-1 match is and has been just like the civilian match, e.g ranking of each candidate based on the faculty's gestalt.

This is true...but don't forget...USUHS students have to do a military internship...so this has some effect on the military match.

rotatores
USUHS 2006

 

[KCOM2005]

Informer - Just curious to know where your numbers come from and if they are available for other specialties.

 

[DrBloodmoney]

This is true...but don't forget...USUHS students have to do a military internship...so this has some effect on the military match.

rotatores
USUHS 2006

Not completely true... at least one of the class of 2004 has gone directly into Pathology without doing an intern year. (Hooray for us).

 

[Informer]

KCOM, these numbers come from 2003 IFB approved training sites and 2003 match results. They are made public for a few months on the AF HPSP website, then taken down probably to save space. I just happened to save them before they're taken down.

What numbers are you looking for?

 

[edmadison]

Not completely true... at least one of the class of 2004 has gone directly into Pathology without doing an intern year. (Hooray for us).

What he meant was that USUHS were not able to obtain a deferment for civilian training. Here's my question, though. If path residents don't do a traditional patient care internship, can they still get a medical license, and if so why?

Ed

 

[GMO_52]

What he meant was that USUHS were not able to obtain a deferment for civilian training. Here's my question, though. If path residents don't do a traditional patient care internship, can they still get a medical license, and if so why?

Ed

Path residents have to do an internship in something else, there are some of them that are just tracked straight through. But technically, their internship isn't in path...same for anesthesia.

 

[DaveB]

This list has been posted several times in the past, in several different forms. I'm not sure if the breakdown is entirely accurate, but from talking to people I get the impression that this is close.

Pre-Clinical Years of Med School (Inc. Step 1): 0-2 points
Clinical Years of Med School (Inc. Step 2): 0-3 points
Internship (Inc. Step 3): 0-5 (Max 3 for current interns)
Residency (For fellowship applicants only): 0-10 points
Post-Internship (Operational/Utilization Tour): 0-5 points
"Potential for successful practice as specialist and career officer": 0-5 points.

There is an Army, AF and Navy member on the panel, and each will score you in the above categories. Then, the scores are averaged, giving you a "composite score."

Bonus Points:
Research: 0-4 points
4=multiple publications in peer-reviewed journals
3=single publication in peer-reviewed journal
2=multiple pubs in in-house journals or posters
1=single publication in-house or poster

Prior Military service (before medical school): 0-2 points
2=Medical
1=Non-medical

Composite Score plus bonus points gives you your total score.

"The Ideal Applicant:"
Top quarter of medical school class in grades and boards
Prior military service
Research activity
Excellent evaluations during internship
Post-internship utilization tour(s)

 

[edmadison]

Path residents have to do an internship in something else, there are some of them that are just tracked straight through. But technically, their internship isn't in path...same for anesthesia.

Actually, this is no longer true. I have friends who are both in the military and outside who are path interns. Neither one is doing any clinical medicine -- all path. I believe this in new in the past few years.

Ed

 

[Homunculus]

Actually, this is no longer true. I have friends who are both in the military and outside who are path interns. Neither one is doing any clinical medicine -- all path. I believe this in new in the past few years.

Ed

it's new this year-- no internship required. they still have to take and pas step III, which is probably why they can justify their license.

--your friendly neighborhood looked at pathology too caveman

 

[edmadison]

it's new this year-- no internship required. they still have to take and pas step III, which is probably why they can justify their license.

--your friendly neighborhood looked at pathology too caveman

Yeah, it just seems off that they can get a license without doing any clinical medicine.

Ed

 

[Homunculus]

Yeah, it just seems off that they can get a license without doing any clinical medicine.

Ed

we should take this issue to the pathology forum and see what they say . . .

--your friendly neighborhood trouble starting caveman

 

[BenHoganFan]

What kinds of things give you "points" during the Military Match?

I hear EM is hard to get in the AF...

http://rad.usuhs.mil/rad/handouts/lonergan/residency_selection/

 

[DrBloodmoney]

Path residents have to do an internship in something else, there are some of them that are just tracked straight through.

No we don't have to do an internship of any kind. We go right into first year of path residency as PGY1. Although, we inprocessed this year with the intern class.

Yeah, it just seems off that they can get a license without doing any clinical medicine.

Ed

Just another beautiful perk to pathology.

it's new this year-- no internship required. they still have to take and pas step III, which is probably why they can justify their license.

--your friendly neighborhood looked at pathology too caveman

Requirements for most state medical licensing include graduating from an accredited medical school, one to two years of post-graduate education, and passing all of the steps.

 

[GeoLeoX]

as a co-conspirator I agree with Dr. Bloodmoney. We pathology-types have to complete the same requirements as everyone else to get a license. For the curious: State License Requirements

don't be hatin'.

-G

 

[edmadison]

as a co-conspirator I agree with Dr. Bloodmoney. We pathology-types have to complete the same requirements as everyone else to get a license. For the curious: State License Requirements

don't be hatin'.

-G

Oh it has nothing to do with "hatin'". Those license requirements are based on the old rules of residency where you do a transitional year. They reflect the need for a medical degree and 1+ years of clinical medicine.

Ed