RN applying to med school

[SDMD87]

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Hey guys,
Im currently a ICU RN applying to med school this summer my science GPA is 3.7-3.8, I have all my letters of recommendation and going to take the MCAT in early July (which is kind of late but I still work full time and I'm finishing up orgo 2). Are there any other RN's applying to med school. If so do u have any advice.

 

[zebalong]

I'd just say apply broadly to any place you could want to end up at. I was truly surprised by some of the responses i got from certain schools that I thought were out of reach for me and I didn't get any love from schools that I thought I would definitely be in. I applied to 30 schools with the basic 10 reach 10 within my range and 10 I had an MCAT score and gpa higher then their average. I got 6 interviews from my reaches and 3 acceptances, only 1 interview from my within my range group and another 6 or so from the bottom group. I think our non-trad back grounds either really turn a school onto us or turn them off. Case Western was one of the higher teir schools i got a lot of love from and other nurses have done well there too. Even though i didn't end up choosing to go there, I was pleasantly surprised by a early interview and an Oct. 15th acceptance.


So basically apply really broadly b/c you might end up somewhere you never thought you would or you might get the cold shoulder from a program you thought you'd be a great fit for in terms of stats and ec's.

 

[NoTownPreMed]

Awesome stats. My sGPA is around 3.58 but my uGPA is at an awesome 2.8 (horrible freshmen year). I haven't started with the prereqs yet, but im hoping I will de extremely well bringing my sGPA to around 3.7ish and uGPA to atleast 3.1-3.2. MD schools maybe out of my reach, so I'll opt for the DO route.

 

[Smb8041]

I'm an RN, but I'm not applying yet. I'm about to start doing my pre reqs this summer. Congrats on completing your classes while working full time! That's very impressive, especially given your GPA. It's very encouraging hearing other nurses who are embarking on the medical school journey. Best of luck to you and keep us posted!

 

[Longboarder]

ICU-RN here as well. Finishing up the last pre-req's I needed for the BSN program. ( I have an ASN-RN degree ) I'm really considering going after pre-med instead of a BSN. Any former RN's care to share how many med school pre-req's you took at a time. Is this something the schools are looking at closely ..or is it more about GPA and MCAT. I've been working 3 years as an RN. I want to go further. The push for DNP to be entry level nurse practitioner eventually...really has me wanting to just go for MD/DO instead. I did very well previosly in the math and science courses I've already taken. I will still be working FT as an RN as I pursue another degree.

 

[OzelloPiRat]

Longboarder,
ASN everything nurse here. I am choosing the premed over BSN. Completing my Biomed sciences degree. I take two at a time, plus a little work and family. It will be three courses come fall. I have seen it just depends on the school as to what they expect your course load to be. And it depends on the courses you are taking. The time for the DNP and what it actually gets you, do not seem at all worth it.
OP, I am so excited for you! I think you will have great med school love. If you like Florida, apply to USF, as they adore nurses taking the jump to the dark side! Their top M2 is a former ICU/PACU RN. If you have any questions, our would like a great inside contact, PM me.

 

[StudyShy]

I'm another RN (ER case management). I will be taking organic next year and taking the MCAT in January.

I guess the best piece of advice that I can give is forget everything about what nursing is and pretend that you have never worked a day in health care. Leave your nursing identity and mentality behind and start anew.

 

[zebalong]

I'm another RN (ER case management). I will be taking organic next year and taking the MCAT in January.

I guess the best piece of advice that I can give is forget everything about what nursing is and pretend that you have never worked a day in health care. Leave your nursing identity and mentality behind and start anew.

I disagree that you should completely leave your identity behind as a nurse or even your mentality (depends what sort of mentality you started off with).

Patient centered care is always the right mentality at least when your being tested in med school - this is the same in nursing.

You'd be suprised how receptive people are to your background, while I wouldn't go flaunting it around, its near impossible to hide it unless you choose to completely not participate in any of your case group work. Most schools begin by interviewing a patient - unless you choose to make an ass of yourself, most critical care nurses are pretty good at getting relavant detail and presenting a case - and it shows even if you try and "dumb" it down a bit which i did in the begining. The point is, you can keep your past identity while keeping yourself open to new ways of doing and thinking about things - stay humble.

 

[StudyShy]

I disagree that you should completely leave your identity behind as a nurse or even your mentality (depends what sort of mentality you started off with).

Patient centered care is always the right mentality at least when your being tested in med school - this is the same in nursing.

You'd be suprised how receptive people are to your background, while I wouldn't go flaunting it around, its near impossible to hide it unless you choose to completely not participate in any of your case group work. Most schools begin by interviewing a patient - unless you choose to make an ass of yourself, most critical care nurses are pretty good at getting relavant detail and presenting a case - and it shows even if you try and "dumb" it down a bit which i did in the begining. The point is, you can keep your past identity while keeping yourself open to new ways of doing and thinking about things - stay humble.

I'm only saying this because I get the impression that nurses aren't appreciated for the knowledge that they carry with them. It's simply not valued. You can't go into med school thinking that you're hot **** because you have been a nurse for ten years and have seen everything like you've said. It's easier, at least for me, to pretend that I never have been a nurse. My approach to patient care will be the same as it was before I was a nurse since I have always listened to and valued patients (as a volunteer and as a medic).

I really hope that they are receptive to my background, but I just may try to hide the fact that I've done nursing as long as I can. Just hearing my biology professor talk about the nursing students makes me definitely want to hide my identity. I don't want to be just another "stupid nurse."

 

[zebalong]

I completely understand your feelings, definitely have to lose that H*t **** mentality (which unfortunately many CC RNs have). But if you are humble and really use your back ground to contribute to the learning experience you'll find a VERY receptive welcome - at least in my experience. Like helping your fellow classmates learn methodical ways to look at 12L EKG rythms - or simple stuff like how to take a blood pressure, how to listen to lungs and heart sounds, how to place an IV, crap like that.

I do completely agree though that it is a good thing to learn to down play that "i know my stuff" mentality early in your medical training - even if you DO know your stuff like the back of your hand.

Working in a teaching hospital I've seen residents put in their place by attendings just because they were being cocky. Its always those residents that try to constantly prove they know their stuff that get shot down the fastest. Medicine is constantly being pushed into a team oriented approach, and I believe many schools are pushing that sort of mentality, and are making it clear that the cocky "I know it all" MD isn't the future physician they are trying to train.

 

[The right Path]

I'm only saying this because I get the impression that nurses aren't appreciated for the knowledge that they carry with them. It's simply not valued. You can't go into med school thinking that you're hot **** because you have been a nurse for ten years and have seen everything like you've said. It's easier, at least for me, to pretend that I never have been a nurse. My approach to patient care will be the same as it was before I was a nurse since I have always listened to and valued patients (as a volunteer and as a medic).

I really hope that they are receptive to my background, but I just may try to hide the fact that I've done nursing as long as I can. Just hearing my biology professor talk about the nursing students makes me definitely want to hide my identity. I don't want to be just another "stupid nurse."

From what I have read of your posts, I get a very negative vibe toward nursing from you. To me, that's sad, and to be honest, a little irritating. And that's not because I feel like some hot **** nurse or whatever, but because I truly believe that nurses are invaluable. Sure there are the bad apples that make great stories, but that's life everwhere.

I don't need to "flaunt" being a nurse, but why should I hide a career I am proud of? Because there are some jackasses who like to play the whole nurses are ass wiping ***** record to anyone who will listen? Why should I contribute to the disrespect of nurses by acting like my career is a horrible secret?

That ain't me. I went into nursing to directly and tangibly help people recover from injury/illness. And that's what I do. My interests are leading me down a slightly different pathway now, and nursing isn't all sunshine and roses, but yeah, haters can go f**k themselves.

 

[EdLongshanks]

From what I have read of your posts, I get a very negative vibe toward nursing from you. To me, that's sad, and to be honest, a little irritating. And that's not because I feel like some hot **** nurse or whatever, but because I truly believe that nurses are invaluable. Sure there are the bad apples that make great stories, but that's life everwhere.

I don't need to "flaunt" being a nurse, but why should I hide a career I am proud of? Because there are some jackasses who like to play the whole nurses are ass wiping ***** record to anyone who will listen? Why should I contribute to the disrespect of nurses by acting like my career is a horrible secret?

That ain't me. I went into nursing to directly and tangibly help people recover from injury/illness. And that's what I do. My interests are leading me down a slightly different pathway now, and nursing isn't all sunshine and roses, but yeah, haters can go f**k themselves.

I believe that is exactly the attitude that StudyShy fears that people assume all nurses have when they apply to medical school. It is not an attitude likely to get a positive response.

It's not that nursing experience isn't good for a prospective doctor (of course it is), but it is considerably different. The few nurses who have an attitude of "you owe me admittance" have given many other applicants a bad name.

There are many traditional applicants who have worked very hard at the traditional path. They have gone to Ivy League schools, kept high GPA's, joined service organizations, done research, shadowed doctors, been EMT's, and done everything else that the medical schools say is important. Then, a nurse strides in with an attitude, "I've been a nurse" he says, and believes that this should trump years and years of careful resume building by students intent on becoming doctors, not nurses.

Look, I, also, have a humility problem. Those of us who tend toward arrogance should be careful that we are not over-proud of accomplishments that may not be rated as high by others.

 

[The right Path]

I believe that is exactly the attitude that StudyShy fears that people assume all nurses have when they apply to medical school. It is not an attitude likely to get a positive response.

It's not that nursing experience isn't good for a prospective doctor (of course it is), but it is considerably different. The few nurses who have an attitude of "you owe me admittance" have given many other applicants a bad name.

There are many traditional applicants who have worked very hard at the traditional path. They have gone to Ivy League schools, kept high GPA's, joined service organizations, done research, shadowed doctors, been EMT's, and done everything else that the medical schools say is important. Then, a nurse strides in with an attitude, "I've been a nurse" he says, and believes that this should trump years and years of careful resume building by students intent on becoming doctors, not nurses.

Look, I, also, have a humility problem. Those of us who tend toward arrogance should be careful that we are not over-proud of accomplishments that may not be rated as high by others.

Look Ed, I don't know what your personal experience is with nurses that decide to apply to medical school. Maybe you're a jerk magnet, who knows? But from my experience, I don't see this attitude that you are portraying.

The RNs that apply to medical school realize they have to have a competitive GPA, MCAT score, participate in community service, etc, etc, all the things that traditional pre-meds do.

And really you have a humility problem? That's nice. How is that relevant here? Are you suggesting that I am arrogant because I don't think I should be ashamed of being a nurse because others perceive nurses as "stupid" or as you put it, is an accomplishment that may not be rated as highly as others?

My career as a nurse is valuable and respectable in and of itself- regardless of whether I apply to medical school or not. I would say the same for those that teach, serve in the military, etc, etc.

As to the value of my experience in counting for the unwritten health care experience requirement to apply to medical school- certainly opinions may vary. However, I would tend to think that several years (nearly seven in my case) of being directly responsible for patients and collaborating with physicians is at least comparable to the Ivy League premed that stocks the blanket warmer or even the EMT premed that follows BLS protocols and knows how to hook up a monitor and take a blood pressure.

...And do I need to say it again? No I don't think that my experience automatically entitles medical school admission, nor necessarily makes me a better applicant. Ed, if you want to judge the strength of my application when I have completed all my prereqs and taken the MCAT, be my guest.

 

[murfettie]

I'm only saying this because I get the impression that nurses aren't appreciated for the knowledge that they carry with them. It's simply not valued. You can't go into med school thinking that you're hot **** because you have been a nurse for ten years and have seen everything like you've said. It's easier, at least for me, to pretend that I never have been a nurse. My approach to patient care will be the same as it was before I was a nurse since I have always listened to and valued patients (as a volunteer and as a medic).

I really hope that they are receptive to my background, but I just may try to hide the fact that I've done nursing as long as I can. Just hearing my biology professor talk about the nursing students makes me definitely want to hide my identity. I don't want to be just another "stupid nurse."

I mean, your nursing knowledge is not needed right now. They are not really needed on the MCAT, physiology can be helpful though..or interviews. They don't ask you the explain the cranial nerves or anything on an interview, or how to set up an IV...
I don't really see how you need to really show your "nursing knowledge" until clinical years....

About the biology professor, etc. Just ignore people like them, if your job comes up in conversation with friendly people, sure, but if not, why bother causing all the irritation for yourself? It just makes your stress level shot up for no positive benefit.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Look, I, also, have a humility problem. Those of us who tend toward arrogance should be careful that we are not over-proud of accomplishments that may not be rated as high by others.

If only jl lin didn't have you blocked 😉

 

[murfettie]

Man, just blend in... Sticking out like a nail with a haters can f000 themselves attitude isn't going to get you ahead anywhere.

If you really want go to into interviews with that mentality I think it will show. I don't think it will impact you positively.

Look Ed, I don't know what your personal experience is with nurses that decide to apply to medical school. Maybe you're a jerk magnet, who knows? But from my experience, I don't see this attitude that you are portraying.

The RNs that apply to medical school realize they have to have a competitive GPA, MCAT score, participate in community service, etc, etc, all the things that traditional pre-meds do.

And really you have a humility problem? That's nice. How is that relevant here? Are you suggesting that I am arrogant because I don't think I should be ashamed of being a nurse because others perceive nurses as "stupid" or as you put it, is an accomplishment that may not be rated as highly as others?

My career as a nurse is valuable and respectable in and of itself- regardless of whether I apply to medical school or not. I would say the same for those that teach, serve in the military, etc, etc.

As to the value of my experience in counting for the unwritten health care experience requirement to apply to medical school- certainly opinions may vary. However, I would tend to think that several years (nearly seven in my case) of being directly responsible for patients and collaborating with physicians is at least comparable to the Ivy League premed that stocks the blanket warmer or even the EMT premed that follows BLS protocols and knows how to hook up a monitor and take a blood pressure.

...And do I need to say it again? No I don't think that my experience automatically entitles medical school admission, nor necessarily makes me a better applicant. Ed, if you want to judge the strength of my application when I have completed all my prereqs and taken the MCAT, be my guest.

 

[n3xa]

I really hope that they are receptive to my background, but I just may try to hide the fact that I've done nursing as long as I can. Just hearing my biology professor talk about the nursing students makes me definitely want to hide my identity. I don't want to be just another "stupid nurse."

Keep your head down and do good work. Good luck to you.

 

[EdLongshanks]

And really you have a humility problem? That's nice. How is that relevant here? Are you suggesting that I am arrogant because I don't think I should be ashamed of being a nurse because others perceive nurses as "stupid" or as you put it, is an accomplishment that may not be rated as highly as others?

Actually, I don't think I suggested. I think I said it. But if you need it said plainly, then i will do so. Based on your post that I was quoting, you have a humility problem. This is obviously not fatal (since I share this particular fault), but I'm aware of my issue. You might want to do a little introspection.

Or not, as you wish.

 

[The right Path]

Man, just blend in... Sticking out like a nail with a haters can f000 themselves attitude isn't going to get you ahead anywhere.

If you really want go to into interviews with that mentality I think it will show. I don't think it will impact you positively.

It isn't about sticking out. It isn't about calling attention to being a nurse. Why leap to that conclusion?

All I am saying is that I don't equate being a nurse as something that should be kept a dirty secret like a raging case of genital herpes because oh noez, someone thinks nurses are stupid or whatever.

And thank you for the uh? advice? but you needn't worry about me throwing around a big "f**k you" attitude during interviews or at any other time for that matter. I can actually manage interpersonal conflict quite graciously without compromising myself- even when I'm dealing with rude jerk who (in my mind) can go f**k himself/herself.


Here's the point that a few people are seeming to miss here:

I went into the nursing profession in good faith that my career would be beneficial to people and is worthy of respect. In the future I will be leaving that career under those same good terms. I don't need to shout my nursing awesomeness from the rooftops, but I don't need to feel any chagrin about being a nurse either. If/when (in the real world) I should come across some jerk that displays disrespect toward my career, please ease your anxiety knowing I can handle those folks with the patience and diplomacy that in my personal life I'm known for.

 

[The right Path]

Actually, I don't think I suggested. I think I said it. But if you need it said plainly, then i will do so. Based on your post that I was quoting, you have a humility problem. This is obviously not fatal (since I share this particular fault), but I'm aware of my issue. You might want to do a little introspection.

Or not, as you wish.

Well, Ed, since we are being completely frank here. What evidence do you have to support the notion that I am disproportionately proud of my profession?

I would hope that simply standing up for oneself when being disrespected isn't considered arrogance.

And yes having a bit of a potty-mouth may be objectionable to some, but not something I would consider a hallmark of pomposity either.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

I would hope that simply standing up for oneself when being disrespected isn't considered arrogance.

I think that everyone's point is that do do the above, when said disrespecting comes from a physician interviewing you for acceptance to a medical program, you need to comfortably admit to the various reasons for the conventional wisdom of how nursing, generally, isn't chockfull of MD material. I think you know that and will do it admirably. But at this point these two sides are just sniping back and forth. There's a time to unfurl the "Allnurses.com FTW!" flag and fun it up the flagpole. Trying to secure admission into medical school is not that time.


As a side note: As usual, I am continually amused by the nursing community's love of acronyms, honorifics and titles, e.g. your status.

 

[EdLongshanks]

Well, Ed, since we are being completely frank here. What evidence do you have to support the notion that I am disproportionately proud of my profession?

I would hope that simply standing up for oneself when being disrespected isn't considered arrogance.

I didn't have any evidence that you are overly proud of your profession, which is why I didn't say you were. I said that there are a few nurses who gave other nurses a bad rep. You choose to identify yourself with them on your own.

And, yes, I can tell you from experience that "simply standing up for oneself when being disrespected" is considered arrogance. This is especially true if you are super sensitive on any sign of disrespect. When you become potty-mouthed at the least sign of what you interpret to be disrespect, you are likely to be considered arrogant by a large majority of people.

Life becomes a lot easier if you simply admit to the arrogance and deal with it. Come luuuuuke. Come over to the daaarrk siiide.

 

[The right Path]

I think that everyone's point is that do do the above, when said disrespecting comes from a physician interviewing you for acceptance to a medical program, you need to comfortably admit to the various reasons for the conventional wisdom of how nursing, generally, isn't chockfull of MD material. I think you know that and will do it admirably. But at this point these two sides are just sniping back and forth. There's a time to unfurl the "Allnurses.com FTW!" flag and fun it up the flagpole. Trying to secure admission into medical school is not that time.


As a side note: As usual, I am continually amused by the nursing community's love of acronyms, honorifics and titles, e.g. your status.

I've never made an assertion of the above (bolded). I also don't expect that the majority of an med school interview would be about the value of nurses in general. It would more likely be about what relevant experiences I may have had in that field that contributed to an interest in medicine, perhaps discussing interesting/memorable patient interactions or perhaps commenting on health care issues. Doesn't that seem more likely? So I'm not all worried about having to "nurses FTW!" anywhere but SDN.

As far as the whimsy tickling acronyms go, they're more of a descriptor of what my niche is in nursing. They describe a demonstration of competency for a particular patient care population. So if you know what they stand for, you know more about what kind of nursing I do. As far as it relates to my "status" I don't expect it to matter here on SDN, but it matters to my hospital, or any other hospital since gaining/maintaining specialty certification makes me more valuable to them as research suggests that certification is linked to outcomes. If some members on here make a big issue about the acronyms, well that just amuses me.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

I've never made an assertion of the above (bolded). I also don't expect that the majority of an med school interview would be about the value of nurses in general. It would more likely be about what relevant experiences I may have had in that field that contributed to an interest in medicine, perhaps discussing interesting/memorable patient interactions or perhaps commenting on health care issues. Doesn't that seem more likely? So I'm not all worried about having to "nurses FTW!" anywhere but SDN.

As far as the whimsy tickling acronyms go, they're more of a descriptor of what my niche is in nursing. They describe a demonstration of competency for a particular patient care population. So if you know what they stand for, you know more about what kind of nursing I do. As far as it relates to my "status" I don't expect it to matter here on SDN, but it matters to my hospital, or any other hospital since gaining/maintaining specialty certification makes me more valuable to them as research suggests that certification is linked to outcomes. If some members on here make a big issue about the acronyms, well that just amuses me.

Friend, I think I found a picture of you floating around the internet...

 

[The right Path]

I didn't have any evidence that you are overly proud of your profession, which is why I didn't say you were. I said that there are a few nurses who gave other nurses a bad rep. You choose to identify yourself with them on your own.

And, yes, I can tell you from experience that "simply standing up for oneself when being disrespected" is considered arrogance. This is especially true if you are super sensitive on any sign of disrespect. When you become potty-mouthed at the least sign of what you interpret to be disrespect, you are likely to be considered arrogant by a large majority of people.

Life becomes a lot easier if you simply admit to the arrogance and deal with it. Come luuuuuke. Come over to the daaarrk siiide.

Ed, if you didn't state plainly, let alone suggest that I need a slice of humble pie for my arrogant nursiness, then what exactly is it that I need to be taken down a peg or two for?

Actually, I don't think I suggested. I think I said it. But if you need it said plainly, then i will do so. Based on your post that I was quoting, you have a humility problem. This is obviously not fatal (since I share this particular fault), but I'm aware of my issue. You might want to do a little introspection.

Or not, as you wish.

As far as being oversensitive- that's your subjective opinion and you're welcome to it. I might call it a stubborn refusal to back down to being misrepresented. And the potty language? That's just the mildly rebellious nature of my personality- and I know it pushes your buttons .

In reference to the bolded above- I give nurses a bad rep now? Who am I choosing to identify myself with? Other nurses that think nursing isn't a disgraceful profession? Mea culpa, Ed, mea culpa. I'm guilty of being a nurse that isn't ashamed of being a nurse.

Is this the dark side or the twilight zone?

 

[The right Path]

Good one Pons.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Good one Pons.

🙂

The advice stands, and I think you understand it well. Apply to medical school as a great candidate who can obviously thrive in that academic environment and has demonstrating they know what they're getting into and want to help their fellow man...who just so happens to be leaving nursing as a career. Most people here are just a little leery of the "I'm applying as a nurse. I don't have to volunteer/shadow/make good grades, right? Cause I'm a nurse, right?" attitude that shows up. If you stick around this forum long enough, you'll see it and be blown away by it's naivete as well. People were trying to point out that is what they have seen, not necessarily that they see it in you. Regardless, good luck. You'll do well.

 

[EdLongshanks]

Ed, if you didn't state plainly, let alone suggest that I need a slice of humble pie for my arrogant nursiness, then what exactly is it that I need to be taken down a peg or two for?



As far as being oversensitive- that's your subjective opinion and you're welcome to it. I might call it a stubborn refusal to back down to being misrepresented. And the potty language? That's just the mildly rebellious nature of my personality- and I know it pushes your buttons .

In reference to the bolded above- I give nurses a bad rep now? Who am I choosing to identify myself with? Other nurses that think nursing isn't a disgraceful profession? Mea culpa, Ed, mea culpa. I'm guilty of being a nurse that isn't ashamed of being a nurse.

Is this the dark side or the twilight zone?

Let us know how it turns out. Interviewers are pretty good at reading character.

 

[jl lin]

🙂

The advice stands, and I think you understand it well. Apply to medical school as a great candidate who can obviously thrive in that academic environment and has demonstrating they know what they're getting into and want to help their fellow man...who just so happens to be leaving nursing as a career. Most people here are just a little leery of the "I'm applying as a nurse. I don't have to volunteer/shadow/make good grades, right? Cause I'm a nurse, right?" attitude that shows up. If you stick around this forum long enough, you'll see it and be blown away by it's naivete as well. People were trying to point out that is what they have seen, not necessarily that they see it in you. Regardless, good luck. You'll do well.

A lot of this sounds pretty good pons.

About blocking ed, well apparently it doesn't matter anyway, since others can quote.

To TRP I know what you mean.



Here's the thing. There are good to great docs, and there are good to great nurses. There are sucky doc or merely OK docs, and there are sucky or OK nurses.

The Right Path strikes me as one of the exceptional ones, and she has probably always been this way in her practice of nursing. What's more trauma nursing is a very tough area to work in for more reasons than I have time to post right now. I am reasonably sure you want a nurse like TRP there for you in a place like that. In those settings, there really ins't a lot of time for arrogance if you want to focus on helping the patients.


What is in nurses' favor in terms of managing patients, at least with regard to the great nurses IMHO, is that these excellent nurses work hard at being true patient advocates. Sometimes that puts you at odds with the status quo; thus it becomes truly about the patient and not about advancing one's career. So you may or may not get kudos, depending upon who you may pizz off as you advocate for the patients. This is really what is behind some of the anti-nurse sentiment. I've found, however, that the great physicians love these kind of nurse advocates, b/c they are likely patient advocates also, and while they are off tending to a zillion other sick patients, they can trust these RN advocates to put the patient first and go the extra mile in terms of surveillance, carefulness, and overall care.

I have seen the sucky and simply OK nurses and docs more than I would have liked to in both nursing and medicine. I say it's time to reign that in a bit more, and I for one don't care who you do it with.

What I mean to say is this. If that change comes from former teachers, artists, nurses, veterinary techs, customer services reps, chefs, police officees, nutritionists, or mental health techs that are all working toward becoming physicians, it matters not to me. So long as they are truly holistic advocates (and that isn't some weird azz nonsense--I'm talking about not just having tunnel vision and treating the whole person), I am supportive of such people, regardless of where they have come from, becoming physicians. There is a MAJOR need for this for a number of reasons IMO.

I've always been one of those people that is all about show me what's inside the suit, not just the suit. So, it's the person that makes the difference, not the suit or title they wear. Real arrogance can't really get passed the superficiality and the "its about my career" attitude. I'm am so tired of all of that.


TheRightPath has no problem at all with any such kind of arrogance as far as I can see. For someone to jump to that conclusion b/c someone is a nurse is, well, idiotic and pretty pathetic.

And neither she nor any nurse I've seen here thus far has an attitude that medicine owes us nurses some place. No way. That's just silly biased nonsense. Get over it. It doesn't apply. End of story.

See ya.

 

[The right Path]

🙂

The advice stands, and I think you understand it well. Apply to medical school as a great candidate who can obviously thrive in that academic environment and has demonstrating they know what they're getting into and want to help their fellow man...who just so happens to be leaving nursing as a career. Most people here are just a little leery of the "I'm applying as a nurse. I don't have to volunteer/shadow/make good grades, right? Cause I'm a nurse, right?" attitude that shows up. If you stick around this forum long enough, you'll see it and be blown away by it's naivete as well. People were trying to point out that is what they have seen, not necessarily that they see it in you. Regardless, good luck. You'll do well.

Thanks for the good wishes, and best of luck on your journey as well. And if you come across a post expressing the bolded statements, give me a holla (it would be a first time seeing it here on SDN-for me) though I joined these forums in Dec '09. I'd be more than happy to set the record straight for those nurses that are clearly misguided. And I won't back down if they give me any argument about it either

 

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Let us know how it turns out. Interviewers are pretty good at reading character.

Will do, Ed, will do. My plan is to submit my apps in 2013. Perhaps, you might help me prepare for my interviews... you know, coach me not to say "uh" or use bad words, teach me how to sit like a lady.....







🤣I'm just teasing you at this point. I realize you're well intentioned even if we don't see eye to eye on certain things.

 

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Ed, if you didn't state plainly, let alone suggest that I need a slice of humble pie for my arrogant nursiness, then what exactly is it that I need to be taken down a peg or two for?



As far as being oversensitive- that's your subjective opinion and you're welcome to it. I might call it a stubborn refusal to back down to being misrepresented. And the potty language? That's just the mildly rebellious nature of my personality- and I know it pushes your buttons .

In reference to the bolded above- I give nurses a bad rep now? Who am I choosing to identify myself with? Other nurses that think nursing isn't a disgraceful profession? Mea culpa, Ed, mea culpa. I'm guilty of being a nurse that isn't ashamed of being a nurse.

Is this the dark side or the twilight zone?

OK, here's the other thing TRP. It has become clear to a number of us here that ed just thinks its fun to stir the pot. Whatever floats his boat.