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Nationalized healthcare is already being spoken about among democratic presidential candidates. What shall we do if one of these nuckle heads becomes president?
 
matt1234321 said:
Nationalized healthcare is already being spoken about among democratic presidential candidates. What shall we do if one of these nuckle heads becomes president?
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For a glimpse of what nationalized healthcare would resemble, merely stroll down the corridors of your local VA Hospital (where, by the way, I proudly moonlight with some hard-working employees - it's the system which is migraine-producing).

I conducted an SDN poll on this very topic a few months ago. Here's the thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=282927

Happy Holidays and safe travels everyone (especially if you're stuck in Denver or London 😡 )
 
The thing that is stopping nationalized medicine is the huge tax increases. I don't think many Americans will like an extra 10% coming out of there checks.
 
but, u never know they may just make the rich pay for it all. LOL
 
i don't think anyone seriously believes that a single-payer, canadian-type (or the british) system is a reasonable, feasible, or practical substitution to what we have now. if such a revolution takes place in the u.s., what is more likely to happen is the expansion of a medicaid-type system and the requisite demand that physicians set aside a portion of their work week to see only those patients. the private payers will still get "premium" access, and the medicaid-only payers will probably have to wait much like they do in canada and much longer than they do now. but, this is only in the name of providing for everyone.

of course, hillary couldn't make this fly in the '90's. so, i doubt that there's a reasonable chance that it will in the future. good to keep this issue on the front burner, though.
 
Ah

Expected drivel from the weak minded. Thanks.

Lesse. I lived in Canada for the first 25 years of my life and worked there in healthcare. Yup, what would I know about Socialized Medicine?


VolatileAgent said:
go away! scoot! scram! it's obvious you have nothing to add here.
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toughlife said:
http://www.onthefencefilms.com/video/brainsurgery.html
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Strikes me as a bit misleading at the end there. There is NO legitimate movement afoot in the US to outlaw private health insurance as Canada has done. There is only a movement to provide universal healthcare to American residents in the form of non-obligatory single payor systems. A universal heathcare system in the US no more demands that residents refrain from using private insurance than Medicare does so now.

Judd
 
everyone already gets healthcare anyway... there couldn't possibly be a more INEFFICIENT method of delivery than our ERs 🙂
 
matt1234321 said:
Nationalized healthcare is already being spoken about among democratic presidential candidates. What shall we do if one of these nuckle heads becomes president?
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The best approach is prevention. Get involved in the political process. Learn about the issues that affect us. This includes joining your local state anesthesia society and the ASA. Also, become active in your department and hospital politics to make sure your group does not get overlooked by your hospital and other departments. Get involved regarding voting for candidates who support our (the anesthesiologists) positions. Write to your congressman and let them know how you feel. Fortunately, no one stays in office forever. Make sure that your collegues get involved as well.
 
i have my suspicions that "dr. mccoy" and "conflicted" are the same poster. only the mods can disprove this.
 
I invite the mods to confirm that I am neither Nitecap or McCoy. Look at the Ip addresses.
 
Conflicted said:
I invite the mods to confirm that I am neither Nitecap or McCoy. Look at the Ip addresses.
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Conflicted is obviously not nitecap as Conflicted has a good control over the english language i.e. is not using the word "Man" every other sentence, using complex sentences etc. No spelling errors and logical thought-out responses that are not merely emotional retorts.

As furthur evidence, nitecap would be incapable of reply as he would need a dictionary to read what is typed here. His posts reeked of ignorance, and he certainly couldn't make good points as Conflicted can (points that some argue over and disagree with, but good points none-the-less).

Conflicted is obviously not nitecap. Dr McC, no telling (I really don't care either way) but NOT nitecap.
 
cloud9 said:
... Conflicted has a good control over the english language ... and logical thought-out responses that are not merely emotional retorts.
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:laugh:

that's rich! which of his/her posts have YOU been reading?
 
you see, cloud9. perfect case in point. both emotional and yet poorly structured/meaningless:

Conflicted said:
VA

You have delusions of adequacy, stop being such a child.
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huh? speekie eengleesh. if this was some attempted rip on me, it is just... lame. and, just further proves why nurses shouldn't use/make-up medical terms when they don't understand them.
 
for those of you who may be joining late...

"conflicted" is one of our forum's trolls. he/she shows up occassionally and tries to befriend other posters, dropping little meaningless platitudes from time to time, and generally trying to not-so-cleverly fly under the radar.

it should be known that, when push comes to shove, "conflicted" is anything but. he/she staunchly believes that there is no difference in the training that an anesthesiologist and a nurse anesthetist receives. furthermore, he/she feels that there should be no mandated supervision of nurse anesthetists in the practice of anesthesia, and that they should be allowed to have independendent practice rights everywhere that anesthesiologists do without restriction. he/she fully supports the aana and it's ulitmate objective to ruin the graduate anesthesiology training program in the u.s. and, he/she would like nothing better than to believe him/herself as an equal to us, both in training and in knowledge, ability, and overall competence. this is why he/she comes here.

i think "conflicted's" record of posting here, if searched, speaks volumes to the general level of intelligence - and gap there between - of a practicing physician anesthesiologist and a representative nurse anesthetist. i don't dislike him/her personally, just everything he/she represents. and, i just worry that some of you might be fooled by his/her forked tongue, so i'm not going to let that happen on my watch. a quick search of his/her posts should tell you all you really need to know. and, if i had to guess, he/she is really simply a she.

happy hunting...
 
*sigh*

Just to correct your ineptness again, the quote "delusions of adequacy" is from Walter Kerr. How interesting you think its "bad English", you see, Walter Kerr was a Pulitzer Prize-winning critic. He worked for the New York Herald Tribune, where his wit and elegant prose earned him a reputation as one of theater's most respected voices. He joined the New York Times he wrote the Broadway musicals Sing Out, Sweet Land, collaborated with his wife Jean on Song of Bernadette, and directed the play King of Hearts, which his wife coauthored with Eleanor Brooke. In 1990, Broadway's refurbished Ritz Theater was renamed the Walter Kerr Theater.

So, yet again, your proven wrong by "just a Nurse". Welcome to our daily dose of humility, Nurses orders.

P.S.

Dont presume to speak for me or what I am about. You know less about me than you do about social skills (which is apparently Nil).

VolatileAgent said:
you see, cloud9. perfect case in point. both emotional and yet poorly structured/meaningless:



huh? speekie eengleesh. if this was some attempted rip on me, it is just... lame. and, just further proves why nurses shouldn't use/make-up medical terms when they don't understand them.
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LMAOF!

This was an innocent enough thread until it was hijacked by volatile's rampant paranoia. I good post was made and he/she was off again. I can't decide whether this is funny or just plain sad. As someone who knows both nitecap and conflicted, I can tell you that some of you guys are making real asses of yourselves, but hey, it's your choice to do that publicly. I just hope that volatile sends us invitations when he finishes junior high. :laugh:
 
Conflicted said:
*sigh*

Just to correct you ineptness again, the quote "delusions of adequacy" is from Walter Kerr. How interesting you think its "bad English", you see, Walter Kerr was a Pulitzer Prize-winning critic. He worked for the New York Herald Tribune, where his wit and elegant prose earned him a reputation as one of theater's most respected voices. He joined the New York Times he wrote the Broadway musicals Sing Out, Sweet Land, collaborated with his wife Jean on Song of Bernadette, and directed the play King of Hearts, which his wife coauthored with Eleanor Brooke. In 1990, Broadway's refurbished Ritz Theater was renamed the Walter Kerr Theater.

So, yet again, your proven wrong by "just a Nurse". Welcome to our daily dose of humility, Nurses orders.

P.S.

Dont presume to speak for me or what I am about. You know less about me than you do about social skills (which is apparently Nil).
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like i said, what does that have to do with a medical forum, nurse? was walter kerr a physician? maybe you should spend more time with your nose buried in allied health journals than the "new york herald tribune."

and, what the hell are you doing on this forum on a saturday night before christmas anyway? me? the kids are asleep, the wife's watching t.v., and i'm working on draft of a publication right now. what's your excuse?

and, "paranoia", dogbone65? i could care less what another nurse wolf in sheep's clothing has to say. your precisely the type i'm talking about (newbie trainees take note... look what comes out of the woodworks... are you getting it?). who asked you anyway, dogbone? some advice: don't continue to lift your leg and piss on this thread, or bite the hand that feeds you, unless you want the big dog to finally come bite you back. now, go back to your kennel... and try to hope that someday you'll get the life that i now have. you midlevels keep trying to f*** with the system, and you're the ones who are going to get f***ed in the end. so, keep pushing it, but remember where you heard that when it happens.
 
Weak, as expected.

As for what im doing, i'm waiting for my wife to come home from work. As for publishing? I have 4 in my name already and 2 full research studies in conjunction with some physician friends. I have nothing to prove to you, Padawan.
 
Conflicted said:
Weak, as expected.

As for what im doing, i'm waiting for my wife to come home from work. As for publishing? I have 4 in my name already and 2 full research studies in conjunction with some physician friends. I have nothing to prove to you, Padawan.
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four? nothing to prove to me? :laugh: yeah, i know about those types of studies where the nurse who collected the data gets to tack her name on near the end. hell, if you count those, i had AT LEAST four peer-reviewed publications before i started med school. :laugh: i'm writing a book chapter right now, nancy.
 
VolatileAgent said:
like i said, what does that have to do with a medical forum, nurse? was walter kerr a physician? maybe you should spend more time with your nose buried in allied health journals than the "new york herald tribune."

and, what the hell are you doing on this forum on a saturday night before christmas anyway? me? the kids are asleep, the wife's watching t.v., and i'm working on draft of a publication right now. what's your excuse?

and, "paranoia", dogbone65? i could care less what another nurse wolf in sheep's clothing has to say. your precisely the type i'm talking about (newbie trainees take note... look what comes out of the woodworks... are you getting it?). who asked you anyway, dogbone? some advice: don't continue to lift your leg and piss on this thread, or bite the hand that feeds you, unless you want the big dog to finally come bite you back. now, go back to your kennel... and try to hope that someday you'll get the life that i now have. you midlevels keep trying to f*** with the system, and you're the ones who are going to get f***ed in the end. so, keep pushing it, but remember where you heard that when it happens.
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Sad. If you feel compelled to threaten me then go right ahead....just hope you have the cojones to back it up. Frankly, I wouldn't want your miserable little life. Mine is just fine. Merry Christmas.
 
dogbone65 said:
Sad. If you feel compelled to threaten me then go right ahead....just hope you have the cojones to back it up. Frankly, I wouldn't want your miserable little life. Mine is just fine. Merry Christmas.
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and, i guess that's why YOU are posting here on a saturday night before christmas... because your life is so grand. either that, or you must be working an end-of-year publication deadline too, right? and, you don't want it to ruin christmas eve, christmas day, or your new year plans, right? that's why you're posting here on a saturday night, ebenezer? :laugh: or, maybe you're "working" tonight? i bet that's it. you're covering that tough holiday shift collecting your $85/hr for sitting on your ass surfing a doctor's forum with every other nurse in the hospital wishing they were you... but that's not good enough... there you are still wishing you had the last twenty years of your life back... oh what you would've done differently... so, instead you're going to do everything you can now to get what you perceive is that last little slice of the respect pie you think you deserve. (what motivates you guys is all so transparent.)

ownership noted. so, don't come stand in the kitchen, then, if you can't handle the heat.
 
VolatileAgent said:
and, i guess that's why YOU are posting here on a saturday night before christmas... because your life is so grand. either that, or you must be working an end-of-year publication deadline too, right? and, you don't want it to ruin christmas eve, christmas day, or your new year plans, right? that's why you're posting here on a saturday night, ebenezer? :laugh: or, maybe you're "working" tonight? i bet that's it. you're covering that tough holiday shift collecting your $85/hr for sitting on your ass surfing a doctor's forum and wishing you had the last twenty years of your life back... oh what you would've done differently... so, instead you're going to do everything you can to get what you perceive is your slice of the respect you deserve. (what motivates you guys is all so transparent.)

ownership noted. so, don't come stand in the kitchen, then, if you can't handle the heat.
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Kids are in bed, wife is crashed on the sofa....I have nothing to do but sit her and dangle the bone in front of you....and it's funny! And I'm sure your spreadsheet shows you don't even own the panties on your arse...so step away from the kitchen.....you know what they say about too many cooks.
 
dogbone65 said:
you know what they say about too many cooks.
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yeah, like i said, keep opening them crna schools... and watched who's going to get f***ed in the end... it ain't going to be the anesthesiologists...
 
Oh My.

I love the grade school antics you resort to. Maybe if you pound your chest real hard you'll salvage some of your dignity too?

Look VA, all your doing is adding snide comments which make you look foolish to your peers. I doubt they believe you are writing a chapter for a book either, knowing the life of a resident.

In anycase, why don't we stop arguing and move forward. I'm not going anywhere and neither are you.

BTW, Merry Christmas, I do hope you have a good one with your family.

VolatileAgent said:
four? nothing to prove to me? :laugh: yeah, i know about those types of studies where the nurse who collected the data gets to tack her name on near the end. hell, if you count those, i had AT LEAST four peer-reviewed publications before i started med school. :laugh: i'm writing a book chapter right now, nancy.
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Conflicted said:
I doubt they believe you are writing a chapter for a book either, knowing the life of a resident.
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i don't care what others believe. several of us are writing chapters. i am one of them. so, why don't we just drop trow now and i'll prove to you my unit's bigger?

btw, i'm jewish. but, thank jahweh for giving me monday off. and, my episcopalian wife for gettting the christmas tree and making this an ecumenical holiday.

p.s. don't slap my face and expect me to turn the other cheek. i ain't christian.
 
too true Trin.

If there are any questions i can answer about what its like to work in or be taken care of by a national healthcare system (CANADA), feel free to ask.
 
yeah, in addition to what you just wrote, this was your only other well-thought, insightful, and far-reaching comment on this thread...

Conflicted said:
excellent excellent post.
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yeah, you've demonstrated your depth and breadth of understanding with that one. 🙄 so, you can see why that was right about the time i asked you to shoo, and before you started to attack me (and i had to defend myself)...

so, nice try with the re-direct immediately above... but, also already covered above (again below for those who missed it the first time)...

VolatileAgent said:
for those of you who may be joining late...

"conflicted" is one of our forum's trolls. he/she shows up occassionally and tries to befriend other posters, dropping little meaningless platitudes from time to time, and generally trying to not-so-cleverly fly under the radar.

it should be known that, when push comes to shove, "conflicted" is anything but. he/she staunchly believes that there is no difference in the training that an anesthesiologist and a nurse anesthetist receives. furthermore, he/she feels that there should be no mandated supervision of nurse anesthetists in the practice of anesthesia, and that they should be allowed to have independendent practice rights everywhere that anesthesiologists do without restriction. he/she fully supports the aana and it's ulitmate objective to ruin the graduate anesthesiology training program in the u.s. and, he/she would like nothing better than to believe him/herself as an equal to us, both in training and in knowledge, ability, and overall competence. this is why he/she comes here.

i think "conflicted's" record of posting here, if searched, speaks volumes to the general level of intelligence - and gap there between - of a practicing physician anesthesiologist and a representative nurse anesthetist. i don't dislike him/her personally, just everything he/she represents. and, i just worry that some of you might be fooled by his/her forked tongue, so i'm not going to let that happen on my watch. a quick search of his/her posts should tell you all you really need to know. and, if i had to guess, he/she is really simply a she.

happy hunting...
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p.s. don't PM me. i deleted it without reading it. if you have something to say, say it publicly. there's no privileged communication between the two of us.
 
Thanks for the post trin. It's going to be interesting to see what happens thats for sure. If we can somehow pull out a couple joker cards in Iraq, we might have a Rudy as president.
 
I think one thing is for sure. If those democrats take the white house there will be major changes in healthcare. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
 
Geesus

Will you get your head out of your ass? I offered to answer any questions people may have about how that system works. Why are you such an instigator?

BTW, here is the truth of who attacked who:

On 12-22-2006, 05:18 PM Conflicted said:
excellent excellent post.
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Then on 12-22-2006, 05:21 PM VolatileAgent said:
go away! scoot! scram! it's obvious you have nothing to add here.
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YOU are the instigator here.

P.S.: The PM i sent was 'happy holidays' and was intended not to be public so you knew it wasn't another 'meaningless platitude'. How sad you are.

In anycase, i wont be replying to anymore of your BS.



VolatileAgent said:
yeah, in addition to what you just wrote, this was your only other well-thought, insightful, and far-reaching comment on this thread...



yeah, you've demonstrated your depth and breadth of understanding with that one. 🙄 so, you can see why that was right about the time i asked you to shoo, and before you started to attack me (and i had to defend myself)...

so, nice try with the re-direct immediately above... but, also already covered above (again below for those who missed it the first time)...
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VolatileAgent said:
....or maybe you're "working" tonight? i bet that's it. you're covering that tough holiday shift collecting your $85/hr for sitting on your ass surfing a doctor's forum with every other nurse in the hospital wishing they were you... but that's not good enough... there you are still wishing you had the last twenty years of your life back... oh what you would've done differently... so, instead you're going to do everything you can now to get what you perceive is that last little slice of the respect pie you think you deserve. (what motivates you guys is all so transparent.)
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So am I to take it this is your overall opinion of CRNAs?
 
rn29306 said:
So am I to take it this is your overall opinion of CRNAs?
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no, just the militant ones who are trying to ruin the profession, and especially the ones who purport to be something they are not. there's plenty of evidence on this forum of "conflicted's" true feelings. and, plenty of examples of why exactly he/she should be grateful that things are just the way they are.
 
VolatileAgent said:
no, just the militant ones who are trying to ruin the profession, and especially the ones who purport to be something they are not. there's plenty of evidence on this forum of "conflicted's" true feelings. and, plenty of examples of why exactly he/she should be grateful that things are just the way they are.
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May we stay on topic, one which is most worthy of examination in light of the recent Democratic party success with mid-term elections. Could be a preview of 2008 and what might follow.

Hillary learned her lesson in 1994. She won't make the same mistakes in 2009.
 
trinityalumnus said:
Hillary learned her lesson in 1994. She won't make the same mistakes in 2009.
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Very good point, Trin. If anything, despite being a socialist, she is shrewd and intelligent. She is sceery.
 
Is there some way we can just get VA and Conflicted their own forum???

"Endless arguments with baseless claims" comes to mind.
 
trinityalumnus said:
From today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/24/AR2006122400589.html?referrer=email

It's already begun.
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interesting article. what i find intriguing though, is how the millions of americans that don't qualify for medicaid, and subsequently go without any insurance can find the money to buy the plasma tv or the $350/mo car payment.....

when i left my previous career, i was able to find a private HSA provider for $67/mo. i had a $2600 yearly deductable, which wouldn't be good for someone with significant health needs (or needing prescription coverage), but at least i would have been covered in the event of an emergency, in which we all know the costs can scream past that # in a hurry. but, there are other plans that would cater to those needs, albeit at a higher monthly cost. however, perhaps not surpassing the difference b/t the payment on a cadilac escalade versus a ford focus. priorities people, priorities.... (preaching to the choir i know)

americans want it all, but don't like to pay for it. i think the gov't should mandate that people procure some minimal level of private insurance, if they don't qualify financially for governmental assistance, and if their employers don't offer those benefits.
 
trinityalumnus said:
For a glimpse of what nationalized healthcare would resemble, merely stroll down the corridors of your local VA Hospital (where, by the way, I proudly moonlight with some hard-working employees - it's the system which is migraine-producing).

I conducted an SDN poll on this very topic a few months ago. Here's the thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=282927

Happy Holidays and safe travels everyone (especially if you're stuck in Denver or London 😡 )
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umm i think there was a study like a year ago which concluded the best medicine is practiced at the VA medical centers
 
trinityalumnus said:
For a glimpse of what nationalized healthcare would resemble, merely stroll down the corridors of your local VA Hospital (where, by the way, I proudly moonlight with some hard-working employees - it's the system which is migraine-producing).

I conducted an SDN poll on this very topic a few months ago. Here's the thread: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=282927

Happy Holidays and safe travels everyone (especially if you're stuck in Denver or London 😡 )
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umm i think there was a study like a year ago which concluded the best medicine is practiced at the VA medical centers
 
You seemed to have perfected the "liar liar pants on fire" argument quite well.


Conflicted said:
Geesus

Will you get your head out of your ass? I offered to answer any questions people may have about how that system works. Why are you such an instigator?

BTW, here is the truth of who attacked who:

On 12-22-2006, 05:18 PM Conflicted said:


Then on 12-22-2006, 05:21 PM VolatileAgent said:


YOU are the instigator here.

P.S.: The PM i sent was 'happy holidays' and was intended not to be public so you knew it wasn't another 'meaningless platitude'. How sad you are.

In anycase, i wont be replying to anymore of your BS.
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99.9% of physicians regardless of specialty, couldnt give a sam **** about any other healthcare field. This is nothing more than a small section of physicians and nurses arguing when the large majority doesnt care.
OBGYN's dont give a **** about midwifery, FP's dont care about APN's, PMR docs dont care about PT's, Optho's dont care about optometrists. Anesthesiologists could care less truthfully - in the real world - about crna's. Bless you for advancing your knowlege. What is the real issue? Arrogance. If anything the only other issue is that no matter how you slice it, most nurses including crna's/midwives/apn's/etc are viewed as consumers of healthcare knowlege. It takes more than just lick and a prayer and a fart to be respected in medicine - even by your own colleagues. Let's face it - who IS responsible for advancing anesthesia safety and knowlege? check the references in any textbook and look them up. Bottom line, you are tolerated. And that's ok with all of us. I wish my colleagues here would just chuckle and move on... but that's ok too because we all can be too tired and get inflammed to easily...... OK good luck with your nurse-anesthetizing, dont (esopha)-gus it, and relax bone whenever possible.
rn29306 said:
So am I to take it this is your overall opinion of CRNAs?
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