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Just curious what are starting salaries for EM docs? I couldnt find a thread on this.
What is the max a EM doc can make?
What is the max a EM doc can make?
Just curious what are starting salaries for EM docs? I couldnt find a thread on this.
What is the max a EM doc can make?
Just curious what are starting salaries for EM docs? I couldnt find a thread on this.
What is the max a EM doc can make?
Hit your med school library. Look for a book called the "Physician Productivity and Compensation Survey". The 2012 edition is out. You want some semblance of data not anecdotes. Also you can google the Medscape compensation survey that came out earlier this year. Limited participation but it's free and can give you some idea.Just curious what are starting salaries for EM docs? I couldnt find a thread on this.
What is the max a EM doc can make?
1 billion dollars per year
Part time at $100-250/hr - as many hours or shifts as you want or can arrange.
Salary packages - $200-400K + benefits/year. The range depends on academics (less) vs. private, payor mix, location, shifts/month, partner track, etc.
lol, i dont think any female is going to know more then the medscape report. It probably just comes down to women going part time more often then men and in the past there being more men graduates so there are likely more men in managerial roles. I also think there hvae been studies that show men see more patients per hour then women,I was on medscape and it says women avg salary is $192K vs. Men which is $247K
Can any female EM docs confirm this ??? That is so ridiculous IMO
Also how much do EM docs make in NJ?
I was on medscape and it says women avg salary is $192K vs. Men which is $247K
Can any female EM docs confirm this ??? That is so ridiculous IMO
Also how much do EM docs make in NJ?
I was on medscape and it says women avg salary is $192K vs. Men which is $247K
Can any female EM docs confirm this ??? That is so ridiculous IMO
Also how much do EM docs make in NJ?
How much do female IM docs make in Springfield ?
I was on medscape and it says women avg salary is $192K vs. Men which is $247K
Can any female EM docs confirm this ??? That is so ridiculous IMO
Also how much do EM docs make in NJ?
All of the female docs in my group with small children work fewer hours overall. We all get paid the same/hr.
I was on medscape and it says women avg salary is $192K vs. Men which is $247K
Can any female EM docs confirm this ??? That is so ridiculous IMO
Also how much do EM docs make in NJ?
When I did my ER rotation, the attending told me that full time is working 3 days a week (12 hour shift per day).
If I wanted to work part time could I work 1.5 shift and work 1 and half day? That would be awesome esp if you are trying to start a family.
wow the pay for EM is really high for the # of hrs worked... 36 hrs is full time? and you get 200k+ for that?
wow the pay for EM is really high for the # of hrs worked... 36 hrs is full time? and you get 200k+ for that?
wow the pay for EM is really high for the # of hrs worked... 36 hrs is full time? and you get 200k+ for that?
wow the pay for EM is really high for the # of hrs worked... 36 hrs is full time? and you get 200k+ for that?
Ignorant poster is ignorant.
I've heard multiple attendings say almost exactly the same thing. Not saying I agree with them, but I don't know if I'd be so quick to judge the OP ignorant.
EM attendings have told you that their job isn't stressful and that they make too much for the hours worked? Cause, honestly, I couldn't care less what some IM (or any other specialty) faculty thinks about EM.
i'm hour 8 into my 11 hour shift. $205 an hour. i've seen three patients. purged my two personal email inboxes and my work inbox, did admin stuff, surfed the net, read about Halo 4. eating my second meal. charts done.
life is good.
Ummm...sign me up!
meh. the restaurants here suck compared to Vegas. That being said, I've seen one more patient since my last update. finger lac. five stitches. discharged. two more hours to go. i swear i've surfed every website on the entire internet. time to start at website #1 again.
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meh. the restaurants here suck compared to Vegas. That being said, I've seen one more patient since my last update. finger lac. five stitches. discharged. two more hours to go. i swear i've surfed every website on the entire internet. time to start at website #1 again.
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meh. the restaurants here suck compared to Vegas. That being said, I've seen one more patient since my last update. finger lac. five stitches. discharged. two more hours to go. i swear i've surfed every website on the entire internet. time to start at website #1 again.
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I would go nuts. I prefer volume. I get bored easily. Tonight I was bored because I only saw 20 patients (10-hour shift) with only a cardiac arrest. The other day I had 26 patients with a rapid AFib, DKA, STEMI, respiratory distress needing intubation, level I trauma requiring intubation and bilateral trauma lines, and a ton of chest pains and abdominal pains. That's the emergency medicine I like to work in. Not a single drug seeker the entire shift.meh. the restaurants here suck compared to Vegas. That being said, I've seen one more patient since my last update. finger lac. five stitches. discharged. two more hours to go. i swear i've surfed every website on the entire internet. time to start at website #1 again.
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Not a single drug seeker the entire shift.
Where is this Nirvana you speak of?
I think that it also depends on the strength of CMGs in your area, city, etc.I have always been curious as to why the "average" ED pay (250k) was so low. This avg has to include people working urgent care, part time, etc. There is no way the 250k avg is for the typical avg workload in an ED where you are required to be board certified.
I am board certified, a partner for the past 6 yrs, work in a city usually rated as one of the top to live in, 11 yrs removed from residency. I work 7 hr shifts, 14 days a month. That works out to 1176 hrs/yr. I work in a typical 40K community ED and see about 2.5/hr. This comes out to about 24 hrs/week.
Last year, I pulled in 390K. 52K in my Sep. 10K in my HSA/Business expences. My group pays for my mal practice/health insurance.
I would say if you included my mal practice/health insurance, my total package is close to 480K or about $400/hr.
I get offers from other groups ALL the time offering atleast $300/hr. I know I can moonlight and get $350/hr tomorrow and work as many hours as I would like
So all these statistics showing ED docs making the avg of all specialists is Crap. Take out all of the urgent care docs, all of the docs doing part time, non boarded EM docs and I would be shocked if mose were not making 300k/hr.
If avg was 36hr/week at $400/hr, I would be at over 700k/yr.
Volunteer at a busy ED, and you'll understand why no one works more than 36hr/week.
The physical and the psychological demands that ED docs endure in one shift are above and beyond what retail pharmacists experience in a year.
From my experience in ED, I can tell you that the relatively high pay in emergency medicine is justified.
I think that it also depends on the strength of CMGs in your area, city, etc.
Texas seems to depend a lot on where in the state you are. I have heard that Houston pays well, and I get offers from a lot of the smaller cities/hospitals around the states (rural/semi-rural) that seem to play out to your numbers. However, it seems to be lower in "more desirable" areas.
Thoughts?
I have been with the same group for a decade and my pay hasn't really changed much until I became a partner. I live in a very desireable city and its actually hard to get a job here now.
I do agree that pay is much better in the less desirable areas but that is with all jobs.
My point is that ED board certified docs are well paid and if you account for the hours we work, are at the top of the payscale. I would like to see what the avg pay is for a board certified EM doc and what the avg hours are.
The avg pay means nothing b/c we have no clue how many hours they work. If the avg is 250k working 20 hrs a wk, then that is alot. For 40hrs a week, that would be low.
My point being that there are many jobs where you can get 300/hr mininum. I get calls/emails weekly offering 300/hr with 50k sign on bonus with health/malpractice insurance paid for.
If I worked even 30 hrs a week, I would make 460k/yr. If I worked 20, 312k/yr.
Even the free standing EDs here are paying 190 an hr with a volume of less than 15 a day.
I could work 24 hrs a week and make 237k/yr.
Let this sink in. I could work four 24 hr shift a month seeing .6pt/hr (mostly quick care) and make close to the 250k/yr ED avg.
I think EM docs are overpaid compared to other specialists.
I am currently typing while vacationing in a condo on the beach with no pager, no patient responsibilities b/c I have alot of time off.
Before we had kids, my wife and I took atleast 6 vacations a year. Not many other specialists have this much time off while making so much money.
Most specialists would kill to make 300k per yr working 24 hrs a week.
I have always been curious as to why the "average" ED pay (250k) was so low. This avg has to include people working urgent care, part time, etc. There is no way the 250k avg is for the typical avg workload in an ED where you are required to be board certified.
I am board certified, a partner for the past 6 yrs, work in a city usually rated as one of the top to live in, 11 yrs removed from residency. I work 7 hr shifts, 14 days a month. That works out to 1176 hrs/yr. I work in a typical 40K community ED and see about 2.5/hr. This comes out to about 24 hrs/week.
Last year, I pulled in 390K. 52K in my Sep. 10K in my HSA/Business expences. My group pays for my mal practice/health insurance.
I would say if you included my mal practice/health insurance, my total package is close to 480K or about $400/hr.
I get offers from other groups ALL the time offering atleast $300/hr. I know I can moonlight and get $350/hr tomorrow and work as many hours as I would like
So all these statistics showing ED docs making the avg of all specialists is Crap. Take out all of the urgent care docs, all of the docs doing part time, non boarded EM docs and I would be shocked if mose were not making 300k/hr.
If avg was 36hr/week at $400/hr, I would be at over 700k/yr.
There is a little hyperbole and exaggeration regarding the compensation in Texas in this thread. You will make much less than $300/h in Austin. $300/h jobs do exist in Texas but this compensation is nowhere near the mean compensation. Jobs that pay $300/h will generally extract a significant pound of flesh (or part of your soul) in return for monetary compensation. Austin is the lowest paying location in the state secondary to quality of life. The majority of jobs in Texas are independent contractor gigs with no benefits (no healthcare, no disability, no retirement contributions). Most freestanding gigs pay around $170/h.
What are the top cities then?
West BFE
East BFE
South BFE
North BFE
Oklahoma
I can tell you with certainty that what I am stating is fact and not exaggerated.
I avg $225/hr in a major texas city working 26hrs a week or 1350 a year. It adds up to $305k/yr Gross. My partner distribution added another $100k. My SEP IRA funding was 52k. My HSA $6500. My business expenses $10k.
This gave me a total compensation of $473k. I also had my Malpractice/health insurance covered by the group (which in essence was by me). This is worth about 15k if I was an IC.
So my package last year was 488K working 26hrs/week. This comes out to $360/hr.
I apologize to anyone if my numbers in the above thread was somewhat inflated but I was doing my calculations from memory. The numbers I am quoting is from my filed taxes for 2012.
Also, I have a few friends in Austin and some working at free standings. The Freestanding IC rate is 190 for 2 doc and $175 for the other doc I know. Some do 12 hrs and 24 hr shifts.
I can tell you with confidence that the rate in Austin for either big is around $190/hr that does not include benefits (retirement/SEP, health, mal practice, bonuses, etc).
I would say after everything is accounted for, they are at $250/hr minimum