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From what I've heard, around 5,000 a month after taxes, insurance, and loan repayment.
 
What's a good website to look into?

PS: There's no need for sarcasm. I honestly want to know.
 
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Frazier said:
Have a box of tissues ready next to your lotion...

http://www.cejkasearch.com/view-compensation-data/physician-compensation-data/#
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NoMatterWhat said:
What's a good website to look into?

PS: There's no need for sarcasm. I honestly want to know.
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I'm really glad you asked this because I know the salaries are online but I don't know which sites are more accurate than others.
 
i'm looking for a site that tells me how much taxes & malpractice insurance a doc has to pay 😀
 
Lokhtar said:
The average pathologist does not make $354,750.....
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Dunno mannnn.

How big was that survey's sample? How big is yours?
Maybe the survey only utilized pathologists from midwest nowhere. Can just do the best with the numbers available.

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PS: it is median salary stated, not the mean (i.e. average). However, I imagine that this would make you disagree with it even more - being that outliers wouldn't skew the figures...
 
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Frazier said:
PS: it is median salary stated, not the mean (i.e. average). However, I imagine that this would make you disagree with it even more - being that outliers wouldn't skew the figures...
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this could be a good thing it means its the number in the middle. we can assume top end salaries are much more rare than lower ones since they are usually professor or a department head type of position, thus we can assume this median number is closer to the left end, the lower end.
 
The most accurate numbers are MGMA (data is not free), followed by AMGA. Why? They survery the most physicians, and therefore tends to be the most accurate. Cejka and Merritt Hawkins are both recruiters, so they tend to have inflated numbers. MGMA numbers are listed in this document https://www.aamc.org/download/48732/data/compensation.pdf

If you want better numbers, do some searches on the FM board: it'll give you a better idea of what numbers new grads are getting in different parts of the country. In a suburban area, an FP might just manage general and long-term conditions, but in a rural area, an FP might choose to also do obstetrics, psych med management, and procedures such as colonoscopies. The beauty of FP is that you can tailor your training to let you do as much or as little as you would like
 
Frazier said:
Dunno mannnn.

How big was that survey's sample? How big is yours?
Maybe the survey only utilized pathologists from midwest nowhere. Can just do the best with the numbers available.

Plot thickens...

PS: it is median salary stated, not the mean (i.e. average). However, I imagine that this would make you disagree with it even more - being that outliers wouldn't skew the figures...
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LOL @ Ortho - Spine being almost 700k. 😱
 
the pediatric orthopod i shadowed with told me he has to pay 35000 everyyear for insurance... I was like dammmnn thats a lot of money lol
 
NoMatterWhat said:
Interesting! Hospitals hire nurses to lower the cost. I wonder, What can an anesthetist (MD/DO) do that a nurse can't do?
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😀 If nurses are capable of everything an anesthetist-doctor does, will they take over Anesthesiology in the near future?
 
NoMatterWhat said:
Tell me more: what does a physician do that a nurse doesn't?
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Manage sicker patients in more complicated cases with a complication rate equivalent to CRNAs in uncomplicated cases. I don't know any surgeons who would agree to letting a CRNA manage their patient during a CABG/AVR/AAA. There is a very big role for nurse anesthetists in today's world, but there are certainly cases that an anesthesiologist does a better job, especially when the SHTF.

TheRunner said:
In all seriousness, this is not a discussion that you want to get into on this forum because every single person on this forum is biased towards physicians, at least in part. I would direct you to 1) your state's scope of practice for APRN's (found in the nursing practice acts in your state and on the board of nursing websites) and 2) various colleges and associations of APRN's (American College of Nurse Midwives, for example). There you shall find the answers that you seek.
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I'm sure those would be a much less biased source of information.
 
TheProwler said:
Manage sicker patients in more complicated cases with a complication rate equivalent to CRNAs in uncomplicated cases. I don't know any surgeons who would agree to letting a CRNA manage their patient during a CABG/AVR/AAA. There is a very big role for nurse anesthetists in today's world, but there are certainly cases that an anesthesiologist does a better job, especially when the SHTF.


I'm sure those would be a much less biased source of information.
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Remember, when using sarcasm on the internet, it's important to add the relevant emoticon. In this case, you may have wanted to use "Rolls Eyes (Sarcastic)." Good summary, though 🙂
 
TooMuchResearch said:
Remember, when using sarcasm on the internet, it's important to add the relevant emoticon. In this case, you may have wanted to use "Rolls Eyes (Sarcastic)." Good summary, though 🙂
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Sarcasm is a life skill, if you don't understand what's going on you don't deserve to. Smilies destroy the funny.
 
Brachyury said:
The most accurate numbers are MGMA (data is not free), followed by AMGA. Why? They survery the most physicians, and therefore tends to be the most accurate. Cejka and Merritt Hawkins are both recruiters, so they tend to have inflated numbers. MGMA numbers are listed in this document https://www.aamc.org/download/48732/data/compensation.pdf

If you want better numbers, do some searches on the FM board: it'll give you a better idea of what numbers new grads are getting in different parts of the country. In a suburban area, an FP might just manage general and long-term conditions, but in a rural area, an FP might choose to also do obstetrics, psych med management, and procedures such as colonoscopies. The beauty of FP is that you can tailor your training to let you do as much or as little as you would like
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Spectacular link, I typically don't believe many sources for income because they don't specify anything about their test group or sample size. I'm glad to see FP is a LOT higher then I thought it was.
 
TheProwler said:
I'm sure those would be a much less biased source of information.
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Of course they would be much less biased sources of information as they state the actual legal scope of practice and not just the opinion of one mere individual or organization.

The man asked "What is the difference between what an APRN can do and what an MD/DO can do?" In other words, "How does the APRN's scope of practice differ from that of an MD/DO?" The answer to that question is "The legal scope of practice of APRN's varies depending on the state".

Where would one find said information on the legal scope of practice of APRN's in specific states? Why, the answer to that question is the Board of Nursing's website for that particular state, which dictates, among other documents, the Nursing Practice Act for said state. The scope of practice for APRN's is a very specific thing. It is not up to you or me to decide what that scope of practice is depending on our own personal opinions. It is something that is voted on by our state legislators and it is not something that you can control as an individual pre-med, med student or even physician. Additionally, this same information can also be found on various colleges and associations of APRN's, such as the ANA and the ACNM, again stating exactly what the APRN can and can not do legally in each specific state.

Unless, of course, you are asserting that the laws dictating the scope of practice for APRN's are biased in and of themselves. If that is the case, I would suggest that you contact your legislator, as they are the ones who have determined the legal scope of practice for APRN's in your state, not the Board of Nursing. 🙂
 
TheRunner said:
Of course they would be much less biased sources of information as they state the actual legal scope of practice and not just the opinion of one mere individual or organization.

The man asked "What is the difference between what an APRN can do and what an MD/DO can do?" In other words, "How does the APRN's scope of practice differ from that of an MD/DO?" The answer to that question is "The legal scope of practice of APRN's varies depending on the state".

Where would one find said information on the legal scope of practice of APRN's in specific states? Why, the answer to that question is the Board of Nursing's website for that particular state, which dictates, among other documents, the Nursing Practice Act for said state. The scope of practice for APRN's is a very specific thing. It is not up to you or me to decide what that scope of practice is depending on our own personal opinions. It is something that is voted on by our state legislators and it is not something that you can control as an individual pre-med, med student or even physician. Additionally, this same information can also be found on various colleges and associations of APRN's, such as the ANA and the ACNM, again stating exactly what the APRN can and can not do legally in each specific state.

Unless, of course, you are asserting that the laws dictating the scope of practice for APRN's are biased in and of themselves. If that is the case, I would suggest that you contact your legislator, as they are the ones who have determined the legal scope of practice for APRN's in your state, not the Board of Nursing. 🙂
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So they add legal facts in with their opinion? Because physician interest groups don't use legal facts at all. 🙄

Also, inb4 TheProwler annihilates everyone.
 
gettheleadout said:
So they add legal facts in with their opinion? Because physician interest groups don't use legal facts at all. 🙄

Also, inb4 TheProwler annihilates everyone.
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So which part of my statement do you disagree with? The fact that the scope of practice for APRN's is determined by our legislators and is actual written law? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is a controversial subject. If you want to know how APRN scope of practice differs from MD/DO scope of practice, you will need to read the Nursing Practice Act, which is a legal written document voted into law by our government. Conveniently and not surprisingly, the Board of Nursing websites have links to the Nursing Practice Act on their front pages. I know the GA website does. It doesn't interject any opinions with the law. The acrobat file that is the Nursing Practice Act is just straight out of the books.

Example:
§ 43-26-11.1. Administration of anesthesia by certified registered nurse anesthetist In any case where it is lawful for a duly licensed physician practicing medicine under the laws of this state to administer anesthesia, such anesthesia may be administered by a certified registered nurse anesthetist, provided that such anesthesia is administered under the direction and responsibility of a duly licensed physician.
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This is the actual legal scope of practice for CRNA's. This little paragraph right here states exactly the difference between the scope of practice for CRNA's and MD/DO's. CRNA's can legally do all anesthesia that an anesthesiologist can do, but they must work under a physician. They can't practice independently. Is this a difficult concept? I have never had anyone argue with me before over the fact that scopes of practice for APRN's are dictated in the Nursing Practice Act for individual states, so I apologize if I'm just not addressing your concerns.

If physician colleges or associations have on their websites the Nursing Practice Acts for individual states, by all means, go to those websites. The scope of practice for APRN's is law. It's not opinion. It's actual law. So, it's not biased by any one individual organization, unless, of course, you consider your state government to be a biased individual organization.

ETA: The appropriate response to my post would be: "Yes, TheRunner, I see that the scope of practice for APRN's is defined by the Nursing Practice Act, which is actual written law. I also see that the Nursing Practice Act for individual states can by found very easily on the Board of Nursing websites. These statements, by you, are truly incontrovertible fact. Thank you for your wisdom and insight in these matters." 😉
 
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