Saturation of 97%

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35 yos can have very different VO2, DO2, and V/Q mismatch

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Anyone ever compare saturations? Why are all the other 35 year olds at work 99 or 100% and my saturation is only 97-98%, never 100%? It does go up to 100% with oxygen though. Early predictor of lung disease? Is my Hgb messed up?!?!
Obesity/atelectasis, possibly OSA (with compensatory shift of O2-Hgb dissociation curve).
 
my BMI is 21. i wonder why im so atelectatic. i cant even get it to 100% with large breaths
Get it worked up. You may be having a lung disease and not know it (e.g. from GERD, or thromboembolic disease).

Or you may just have cold hands and/or poor peripheral perfusion. 😉

Most healthy BMI 21's do not have a sat of 97%. Get somebody to run an ABG on you, first.
 
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Get it worked up. You may be having a lung disease and not know it (e.g. from GERD, or thromboembolic disease).

Or you may just have cold hands and/or poor peripheral perfusion. 😉

Most healthy BMI 21's do not have a sat of 97%. Get somebody to run an ABG on you, first.

lung disease from gerd? im aspirating? my gerd is horrible ! . hopefully im not having PEs !
 
lung disease from gerd? im aspirating? my gerd is horrible ! . hopefully im not having PEs !
You're probably fine, especially if you're young and have normal exercise tolerance. But if this thing bothers you enough to ask here, better be safe than sorry. Go see a pulmonologist.

You'd probably know if you had even smaller PEs (i.e. dyspnea). Your GERD may be more likely the culprit.
 
Now the real question is, how long can you hold your breath?
 
Now we all know that oxygen content is not the limiter in that regard.
Yeah yeah yeah, DO2, VO2, Lung volume, and how well you tolerate hypercapnia and hypoxia, etc. I still want to know.
 
Are we talking static or dynamic apnea?

Better question is how low can you get your sat. Kudos to anyone who can get themselves below 90.
Static. Lie down. Hyperventilate for a moment if you please. Deepest breath in you can and hold.
 
Static. Lie down. Hyperventilate for a moment if you please. Deepest breath in you can and hold.

I’ve hit 2.5 mins a bunch of times - not that great.

Statics don’t really tell you much and training statics isn’t really that helpful. Dynamics are where it’s at.
 
I’ve hit 2.5 mins a bunch of times - not that great.

Statics don’t really tell you much and training statics isn’t really that helpful. Dynamics are where it’s at.
I've never done dynamic. I've hit 3 minutes a few times. Never felt wise to push mush beyond that as the world is usually getting a little cloudy at that point. I'm intrigued though about this dynamic breath hold training.

I'm also curious now about doing this with a pulse-ox to see where I land.
 
The world record is about 21 min, if memory serves me right. The pros first hyperventilate down to a pCO2 of less than 20, I think.

One can feel OK even with severe hypoxia (happy hypoxics). It's the hypercapnia, even of 42-43, that is unbearable for most apneic people.

P.S. WR is 24+ minutes for males.

And here's the physiology (also where the 3 mmHg of pCO2 increase per minute of apnea comes from):

Yep, one can get even to a pCO2 of 250 and back, without obvious harm.
 
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The world record is about 21 min, if memory serves me right. The pros first hyperventilate down to a pCO2 of about 20 mmHg or less, I think.

One can hold their breath even with severe hypoxia, even if severe (happy hypoxics). It's the hypercapnia, even of 42-43, that is unbearable for most apneic people.

P.S. WR is 24+ minutes for males.

And here's the physiology (also where the 3 mmHg of pCO2 increase per minute of apnea comes from):

Yep, one can get even to a pCO2 of 250 and back, without obvious harm.

There are professionals for breath holding?
 
I've never done dynamic. I've hit 3 minutes a few times. Never felt wise to push mush beyond that as the world is usually getting a little cloudy at that point. I'm intrigued though about this dynamic breath hold training.

I'm also curious now about doing this with a pulse-ox to see where I land.

As long as you’re doing statics on dry land, feel free to push as hard as you want. Worst case scenario you pass out on the couch and wake a few mins later. Any apnea training in water needs to be with a buddy that KNOWS how to save you if things go awry.

You can start with CO2 tables then move to O2 tables. A million ways to do dynamics from just walking while breath holding to doing interval breath holds on an exercise bike.

Go over to spearboard and search for posts by growingupninja. I’m pretty sure that dude has gills. Or better yet, sign up for an FII freediving course.

And for some entertainment, check out YouTube vids by Guillame Nery.
 
There are various free apps as well that are fairly useful for training your breathold. To me the basics of it are ignoring the urge and contractions of your diaphragm. If I were doing residency in Balboa, I'd be spearfishing every chance I got.
 
There are various free apps as well that are fairly useful for training your breathold. To me the basics of it are ignoring the urge and contractions of your diaphragm. If I were doing residency in Balboa, I'd be spearfishing every chance I got.

Are you Navy? Are you stuck in Bethesda or Portsmouth?

If you make it out to SoCal let’s dive.
 
As long as you’re doing statics on dry land, feel free to push as hard as you want. Worst case scenario you pass out on the couch and wake a few mins later. Any apnea training in water needs to be with a buddy that KNOWS how to save you if things go awry.

You can start with CO2 tables then move to O2 tables. A million ways to do dynamics from just walking while breath holding to doing interval breath holds on an exercise bike.

Go over to spearboard and search for posts by growingupninja. I’m pretty sure that dude has gills. Or better yet, sign up for an FII freediving course.

And for some entertainment, check out YouTube vids by Guillame Nery.
I'll push it and get back to you. I'm writing this down because I'm intrigued. I've done some of the CO2 and O2 tables and square breathing, but never while walking around or anything. Challenge accepted.
 
The world record is about 21 min, if memory serves me right. The pros first hyperventilate down to a pCO2 of less than 20, I think.

One can hold their breath even with severe hypoxia, even if severe (happy hypoxics). It's the hypercapnia, even of 42-43, that is unbearable for most apneic people.

P.S. WR is 24+ minutes for males.

And here's the physiology (also where the 3 mmHg of pCO2 increase per minute of apnea comes from):

Yep, one can get even to a pCO2 of 250 and back, without obvious harm.
As long as you’re doing statics on dry land, feel free to push as hard as you want. Worst case scenario you pass out on the couch and wake a few mins later. Any apnea training in water needs to be with a buddy that KNOWS how to save you if things go awry.

You can start with CO2 tables then move to O2 tables. A million ways to do dynamics from just walking while breath holding to doing interval breath holds on an exercise bike.

Go over to spearboard and search for posts by growingupninja. I’m pretty sure that dude has gills. Or better yet, sign up for an FII freediving course.

And for some entertainment, check out YouTube vids by Guillame Nery.

I second this. Best to practice breath holds on dry land and only move into the water with a partner. Several big names in free diving and big wave surfing have drowned because of severe hypoxia with no respiratory drive after hyperventilating. There are several courses out now for open ocean swimmers, free divers and surfers.
 
Several big names in free diving and big wave surfing have drowned because of severe hypoxia with no respiratory drive after hyperventilating.

The physiology of shallow water blackout is pretty neat.

You should never hyperventilate before diving for multiple physiologic reasons.

Interestingly, marine mammals actually dive on an exhale than on fully inflated lungs.
 
Interestingly, marine mammals actually dive on an exhale than on fully inflated lungs.
Interestingly, Archimedes? 😛

Good like diving deep with a decreased body density due to the air in the lungs.
 
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Explain this wizardry please

Here’s a discussion:


Sebastian Murat has some YouTube videos as well.
 
Are you Navy? Are you stuck in Bethesda or Portsmouth?

If you make it out to SoCal let’s dive.

We’re actually not allowed to free dive in the Navy. A few NDs have died that way. People still do it on their own time though. (I know that’s not why you asked Navy.)
 
If any of you military folk find yourselves in SoCal and would to come fish or dive, you have an open invitation on my boat.

(non-military requests will be evaluated on a case by case basis 😀)

I was stationed in San Diego for 5 years when I was enlisted. I’m going back there for 4 months in the first half of 2021 for my rotations. Can’t wait.
 
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