Schools first time pass rate for comlex ?

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This is a point a lot of people on here don't realize or don't mention nearly enough. Curriculum of the school doesn't play a role in the positively increasing scores. However, they sure as hell can play an effect on decreasing scores. With the latter being much more prevalent than the former amongst schools. It is something that goes beyond mandatory attendance.

NOVA maybe in the mist of changing up their curriculum or even faculty members in charge of the curriculum might have changed hands. This can definitely play a part in tanking scores. Especially true if they overwork their students and give them too much mandatory BS. Which is why I recommend student take a long hard look at the credit load also. Having a credit load of 20-23 credits makes a world of difference to your daily life and board prep time in comparison to 25-28 credits.

NOVA is still a well regarded program, especially since its been around for decades. So it has established strong connections with the hospitals which is also important in picking a school. However, the whole mandatory rotations during interview season is kind of concerning and should be on your radar as well.

I don't think you will go wrong with NOVA, you might just be join during a time when they might be changing things in their pre-clincial curriculum. A lot of board studying is still on the student so you should be fine with NOVA.
 
This is a point a lot of people on here don't realize or don't mention nearly enough. Curriculum of the school doesn't play a role in the positively increasing scores. However, they sure as hell can play an effect on decreasing scores. With the latter being much more prevalent than the former amongst schools. It is something that goes beyond mandatory attendance.

NOVA maybe in the mist of changing up their curriculum or even faculty members in charge of the curriculum might have changed hands. This can definitely play a part in tanking scores. Especially true if they overwork their students and give them too much mandatory BS. Which is why I recommend student take a long hard look at the credit load also. Having a credit load of 20-23 credits makes a world of difference to your daily life and board prep time in comparison to 25-28 credits.

NOVA is still a well regarded program, especially since its been around for decades. So it has established strong connections with the hospitals which is also important in picking a school. However, the whole mandatory rotations during interview season is kind of concerning and should be on your radar as well.

I don't think you will go wrong with NOVA, you might just be join during a time when they might be changing things in their pre-clincial curriculum. A lot of board studying is still on the student so you should be fine with NOVA.
Forget all that, their tuition alone was enough to turn me off.... but also bolded for emphasis
 
Be pretty pissed if I went to a school that changed their curriculum and dumped pass rates by 7%.

Just think of how much scores tanked and dreams ruined

Only in the DO world does that shi-p float
 
Be pretty pissed if I went to a school that changed their curriculum and dumped pass rates by 7%.

Just think of how much scores tanked and dreams ruined

Only in the DO world does that shi-p float
Wow, and to think I missed that by a thread. NSU was probably the best DO school I applied to a few years ago. The funny thing is that I thought an established DO school wouldn't screw around with the curriculum. I have learned better now. They all screw with the curriculum. You just hope its not so much that the previous classes notes become useless.
 
Wow, and to think I missed that by a thread. NSU was probably the best DO school I applied to a few years ago. The funny thing is that I thought an established DO school wouldn't screw around with the curriculum. I have learned better now. They all screw with the curriculum. You just hope its not so much that the previous classes notes become useless.
Yeah really lol. Unless they just made classes mandantory or changed faculty. Must be a big change that wasted a lot of students time or taught them incorrectly or maybe less board time to drop it that much. Tons of good board prep out there to combat bad teaching so they must have done something ridiculous
 
If the COMLEX is anything like the COMBANK (which was given to us 2nd semester of MS2) , ~86% 1st time pass rate is VERY troubling.
 
I wrote about my opinions on this elsewhere (their SMP can make students go 3 years without seeing some classes when they take boards), but I will add that they definitely took notice. There has been a big push to make the curriculum better. They’re clearly stressed about the performances, but they’re happy about the 100% match rate last year.
I do fault the school for downplaying the need to take Step. They push pretty hard here for you to NOT take it and only worry about COMLEX, and basically nobody listens. So then students are floundering to figure out Step 1 and basically end up doing terrible on both COMLEX and USMLE. There is a lot of people complaining that too many resources are being spent on the MD school that’s about to open as well as the Tampa campus they’re working on.
I personally have a major gripe with there study spaces. They just finished a brand new study area and it’s nice having new desks and clean carpet, but they’re completely missing the mark on giving specifically the med students their own rooms with comfortable chairs and open access. The study area is shared among their 7+ grad programs, and it’s a small area. There are a bunch of private rooms, but they’re cramped and the chairs are basically disposable junk chairs. For someone who needs to seriously get in the zone, but can’t study at home, it’s just horrible not having a good study spot.

Thanks for input. What year are you if you don’t mind? Does nova test for boards or more in house exams? Assuming no since it states you take first year classes with other grad programs. I still feel board scores are largely on the student ... toms of resources and plans out there. How much time is given for dedicated ?
 
nova has a first time pass rate of 85% on level I of comlex . Is this a cause for concern? Always thought nova was a well regarded program.

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BIG cause for concern for a veteran school. They either have changed their curriculum, their policies, or are selecting for a weaker group of students.

I mentioned policies because it's possible that they're trying to salvage students who should have been let go in OMSI.

Hopefully we can hear from more NSU students?
 
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BIG cause for concern for a veteran school.
Shameful. Of course the school admin will probably sit there and tell each other they had a weak class of students and play it off like it never happened. Or they had faculty straight up lie to students about how to prep for boards. Good thing sdn exsists so the truth can be known. Hard to pin a 7% drop on anybody but the school.
 
If the COMLEX is anything like the COMBANK (which was given to us 2nd semester of MS2) , ~86% 1st time pass rate is VERY troubling.

Aren't you at an MD school? Why would they give you Combank? And no, it's not like Combank, it's like Step, but just really poorly written, even more than Combank is.
 
Shameful. Of course the school admin will probably sit there and tell each other they had a weak class of students and play it off like it never happened. Or they had faculty straight up lie to students about how to prep for boards. Good thing sdn exsists so the truth can be known. Hard to pin a 7% drop on anybody but the school.
I'm just throwing out possibilities. But students who do well in their coursework aren't at risk for failing COMLEX...there's published data on this. I agree that a curriculum change is the most likely culprit.
 
I'm just throwing out possibilities. But students who do well in their coursework aren't at risk for failing COMLEX...there's published data on this. I agree that a curriculum change is the most likely culprit.
I don’t disagree with this but that was a big disservice to those students. Too much risk in changing a lot at once. If that is what they did. 7% is nothing to wink at. Many dreams ruined or at minimum chains have been shackled to these poor students legs in regard to residency apps since we can only negatively speculate what the quantitative numbers would show
 
I don’t disagree with this but that was a big disservice to those students. Too much risk in changing a lot at once. If that is what they did. 7% is nothing to wink at. Many dreams ruined or at minimum chains have been shackled to these poor students legs in regard to residency apps since we can only negatively speculate what the quantitative numbers would show
The four year decline will definitely get on COCA's radar.
 
Aren't you at an MD school? Why would they give you Combank? And no, it's not like Combank, it's like Step, but just really poorly written, even more than Combank is.
Yes I am at a MD school... We were given COMBANK sans OMM at the beginning of 2nd semester of MS2 to start 'preparing' for step1. Maybe COMBANK were promoting their product. Not sure to be honest, but we got it free for a few months. However, most people in my class (myself included) used it for only a couple of days because the questions were too straight forward.

Edit: It might have been COMQUEST... don't remember... Anyway, it was a bogus Qbank.
 
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A thought occurs.

I cant help wondering if the AOA leadership feels pressured to increase the number of DOs in order to give themselves more leverage for the inevitable death of the AOA. They need more clout if they want the ACGME to offer them similar positions (along with their associated benefits) under the ACGME. Maybe we're all just pawns in a much bigger game.

It's no secret that the whole premise behind the merger was a humbling experience for the AOA where they realized how truly impotent they are in the grand scheme of things. The ACGME had them by the balls! The writing is on the wall and they know it.

Anyway, what do I know I'm just a pissant OMS2. Back to the Qbank dungeon with me...

I've heard that a block of 40 Uworld questions per night would help with sleep. Get em!
 
I've heard that a block of 40 Uworld questions per night would help with sleep. Get em!
That's my magic number. Hurt like hell for the first week. Until I turned into a full blown workaholic.
 
So Nova has a pretty chill remediation policy. You take a big test, you get 3 chances at it, pass that test and keep going. You can remediate up to 14 credits, which is like ~3 of the bigger courses. We’re thinking maybe Nova is going too easy on students, letting them through when they probably can’t hack it. Although first time pass is low their overall pass is still 96-98%, so could it be arguably a good thing that they don’t just boot students Willy-nilly?
 
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Also curious what remediation is like at other schools.

Our policy is pretty lenient as well. Most likely because they know as long as they can get someone through the system there is a plethora of in state affiliated FM residencies that they can place those students into.
 
So Nova has a pretty chill remediation policy. You take a big test, you get 3 chances at it, pass that test and keep going. You can remediate up to 14 credits, which is like ~3 of the bigger courses. We’re thinking maybe Mova is going too easy on students, letting them through when they probably can’t hack it. Although first time pass is low their overall pass is still 96-98%, so could it be arguably a good thing that they don’t just boot students Willy-nilly?

WOW. that is incredibly generous. How can you remediate a remediation? Makes no sense to me.
My COM has significantly stricter policies. If you fail a remediation exam, you are asked to leave or can appeal to repeat the year (if you have an otherwise clean record). I know our in-state MD school employs the same policy too.
 
Beginning to feel like it’s not Nova’s lax remediation policy. Gonna do some digging, let me know if you guys have other thoughts and I’ll ask around. Hopefully we can make changes to improve while we’re here.
 
With the dropping of comlex pass rates is NSU worse than COMP NW?
 
I am a current student here at nova and have been doing some digging, the info i have was shared between two long standing professors at NSUCOM that i was able to get ahold of. First off, the new MD School is pulling talented faculty away from the DO school and are leaving the DO school with trash faculty. Second, NSU is desperately hurting for money, enrollment numbers are down across the board and Hanbury is a dumb** who can't manage money let alone manage a Health college center. So they created the MD school in order to boost those numbers and the cost for opening up the school was next to none since they are MOVING the DO kids to the tampa location paid for by the Patels. Perfect segway into my third point. Kiran C. Patel isn't even a doctor!!! His ability to practice medicine was revoked because he killed two patients in 2015 with extreme negligence on his part. MONEY TALKS. Also his medical degree is in question. So called Dr. Patel has his BACHELORS degree in medicine and surgery not a doctorate degree, and then starts medical school in india for which college is not a prerequisite for. The only thing is that he was licensed in the states but he killed two people so a PHYSICIAN he is NOT!!!!!! So our beloved school is named after a fraud with a lot of money. And since the school is hurting for money they make US the students take a stupid tobacco cessation course or wellness course or other bs that takes up all of our time when we could be studying for biochem, or physio. Fourth, The school was forced to build a new teaching hospital because none of the surrounding hospitals wanted to support a MD school which had to be affiliated with the campus. So the school decided to build its own and thus this pissed off the surrounding hospitals and so they are done accepting DO kids for rotations. Fifth, the new dean is absolutely trasshhhhhhhh its either her way or the high way. And her changing the curriculum is part of the failure for this school. All in all this school is TRASHHHHHHHH I SEE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS AND IT IS TRASHHHHHHH ALL I CAN DO IS STUDY FOR BOARDS AND HOPE TO GOD IM NOT THE POOR SOUL WHO DIDNT SEE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS. I have concrete evidence of all these things and I will release my info and i hope to bury this school and hope to see not one more kid enroll into this trash program until the power is placed back into the students hands!!!!!!
 
Also his medical degree is in question. So called Dr. Patel has his BACHELORS degree in medicine and surgery not a doctorate degree, and then starts medical school in india for which college is not a prerequisite for.

I can't speak to any of the rest of what you wrote, but you are misinformed on some things in this part. A Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery degree (MB ChB or MBBS) is the standard medical degree in the UK or any university following their system. This includes most universities in commonwealth countries (such as India). An MBBS/MBChB is fully analogous with an MD in the US. Most use MD after their name when they practice in the US to avoid confusion.

To be clear, I'm not defending Patel. I do enjoy the irony of a DO student somehow not realizing that a large percentage of the world's doctors have letters other than MD behind their name.

I really enjoyed NOVA and considered it one of my top DO choices, so I'm sorry to hear that things aren't going well.
 
I am a current student here at nova and have been doing some digging, the info i have was shared between two long standing professors at NSUCOM that i was able to get ahold of. First off, the new MD School is pulling talented faculty away from the DO school and are leaving the DO school with trash faculty. Second, NSU is desperately hurting for money, enrollment numbers are down across the board and Hanbury is a dumb** who can't manage money let alone manage a Health college center. So they created the MD school in order to boost those numbers and the cost for opening up the school was next to none since they are MOVING the DO kids to the tampa location paid for by the Patels. Perfect segway into my third point. Kiran C. Patel isn't even a doctor!!! His ability to practice medicine was revoked because he killed two patients in 2015 with extreme negligence on his part. MONEY TALKS. Also his medical degree is in question. So called Dr. Patel has his BACHELORS degree in medicine and surgery not a doctorate degree, and then starts medical school in india for which college is not a prerequisite for. The only thing is that he was licensed in the states but he killed two people so a PHYSICIAN he is NOT!!!!!! So our beloved school is named after a fraud with a lot of money. And since the school is hurting for money they make US the students take a stupid tobacco cessation course or wellness course or other bs that takes up all of our time when we could be studying for biochem, or physio. Fourth, The school was forced to build a new teaching hospital because none of the surrounding hospitals wanted to support a MD school which had to be affiliated with the campus. So the school decided to build its own and thus this pissed off the surrounding hospitals and so they are done accepting DO kids for rotations. Fifth, the new dean is absolutely trasshhhhhhhh its either her way or the high way. And her changing the curriculum is part of the failure for this school. All in all this school is TRASHHHHHHHH I SEE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS AND IT IS TRASHHHHHHH ALL I CAN DO IS STUDY FOR BOARDS AND HOPE TO GOD IM NOT THE POOR SOUL WHO DIDNT SEE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS. I have concrete evidence of all these things and I will release my info and i hope to bury this school and hope to see not one more kid enroll into this trash program until the power is placed back into the students hands!!!!!!
Every medical school has character-building classes like Humanism. If you’re going to push for change here then great, I’d love to help even, I just hope you’re not this salty in person with anyone you think you can influence because you run the risk of making things worse for everyone. Also, they’re not moving us to Tampa, it’s a second campus a-la Rocky Vista or VCOM.
 
I sincerely don’t think NSU having a couple of bad years with pass rates is a good reason to ignore them. Lots of other factors to consider.
Sure I get that, NSU has been known to have good hospital affiliations etc but based on how it's condition today how is it compared to COMP NW? I'm an incoming student with an acceptance from COMP NW and an II from NSU
 
Several people mention a changing curriculum at Nova for recent struggles on comlex. But I cannot see any mention of a recent change in curricuculum on the schools site. So has the curriculum changed? Or has there just been a decrease in scores at random?
 
Sure I get that, NSU has been known to have good hospital affiliations etc but based on how it's condition today how is it compared to COMP NW? I'm an incoming student with an acceptance from COMP NW and an II from NSU
Is COMP NW PNW in Washington or some other school?
 
They fired some old professors in the micro department and brought on some new blood. NSU faculty is getting old so we’re going through a change right now. What they should do is fire a certain physio professor because he literally wastes our time with meaningless bs.
 
My kids get one shot at remediation. Then it's dismissal or repeat the year.
Is it true that at most schools winter semester of M2 is set up so that classes are done by noon every day? Not talking about the 5-7 weeks of dedicated, some people told me schools adjust curriculum such that classes are done by noon every day so students have more time to study boards.
 
Oh, yeah, can’t say much. Western U in Pomona is good IMO, for Oregon I think it’s more like where will you have better family support, would you be happier in the heat with beach or cold with woods.
Appreciate the advice @Spectreman. Anyone have any idea of 1st time comlex pass rates for comp nw and or any comparisons between this school and NSU from any interview experience or otherwise?
 
They fired some old professors in the micro department and brought on some new blood. NSU faculty is getting old so we’re going through a change right now. What they should do is fire a certain physio professor because he literally wastes our time with meaningless bs.
Haha, I know exactly who you're talking about.
 
Is it true that at most schools winter semester of M2 is set up so that classes are done by noon every day? Not talking about the 5-7 weeks of dedicated, some people told me schools adjust curriculum such that classes are done by noon every day so students have more time to study boards.
Haven't a clue
 
Sure I get that, NSU has been known to have good hospital affiliations etc but based on how it's condition today how is it compared to COMP NW? I'm an incoming student with an acceptance from COMP NW and an II from NSU

COMP is heavy into OMM and that alone is enough for me to give it a hard pass. That isn’t including the fact that COMP is in the middle of nowhere Oregon and Nova is in FL...
 
I am a current student here at nova and have been doing some digging, the info i have was shared between two long standing professors at NSUCOM that i was able to get ahold of. First off, the new MD School is pulling talented faculty away from the DO school and are leaving the DO school with trash faculty. Second, NSU is desperately hurting for money, enrollment numbers are down across the board and Hanbury is a dumb** who can't manage money let alone manage a Health college center. So they created the MD school in order to boost those numbers and the cost for opening up the school was next to none since they are MOVING the DO kids to the tampa location paid for by the Patels. Perfect segway into my third point. Kiran C. Patel isn't even a doctor!!! His ability to practice medicine was revoked because he killed two patients in 2015 with extreme negligence on his part. MONEY TALKS. Also his medical degree is in question. So called Dr. Patel has his BACHELORS degree in medicine and surgery not a doctorate degree, and then starts medical school in india for which college is not a prerequisite for. The only thing is that he was licensed in the states but he killed two people so a PHYSICIAN he is NOT!!!!!! So our beloved school is named after a fraud with a lot of money. And since the school is hurting for money they make US the students take a stupid tobacco cessation course or wellness course or other bs that takes up all of our time when we could be studying for biochem, or physio. Fourth, The school was forced to build a new teaching hospital because none of the surrounding hospitals wanted to support a MD school which had to be affiliated with the campus. So the school decided to build its own and thus this pissed off the surrounding hospitals and so they are done accepting DO kids for rotations. Fifth, the new dean is absolutely trasshhhhhhhh its either her way or the high way. And her changing the curriculum is part of the failure for this school. All in all this school is TRASHHHHHHHH I SEE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS AND IT IS TRASHHHHHHH ALL I CAN DO IS STUDY FOR BOARDS AND HOPE TO GOD IM NOT THE POOR SOUL WHO DIDNT SEE THIS PLACE FOR WHAT IT IS. I have concrete evidence of all these things and I will release my info and i hope to bury this school and hope to see not one more kid enroll into this trash program until the power is placed back into the students hands!!!!!!
Current M2 at Nova. Agree that we have unnecessary things that we have to do when we can be studying. However, if you think M1 year is tough just wait until next year(3-4 system courses every ~two months plus weekly OPP, clinical reasoning, and doctoring).

You are expected to know M1 basic science cold and material will fly through second year. We are on GI, Male GU, Renal, and Neuro block right now. Three weeks into the semester and we finished 70%+ of the path/pharm/random clinical lectures for all four systems. No one is holding your hand telling you that oh hi sir what happens when you lose the supply of the PICA? You are expected to know all the affected areas and affected tracts by the time you enter second year.

A lot of people are wondering about our low board pass rate. What happened here is that our curriculum asks a lot from us. Our classes are really tough and a lot of people failed (40+ for physio1, 40+ for MSK and 70+ for renal last year). For example, we just had a 50 minute lecture on all the infections related to the CNS system (rabies, meningitis, encephalitis and all its related bugs...etc) and that's about average for the amount of material in ONE lecture in your second year. If you have been using Sketchy religiously first year this will become like a board review session for you though. If you really understand the material and not just memorize and dump, Nova prepares you well for the boards and you see the same things multiple times.

Our old dean really cared about all roundedness and placed low emphasis on MCAT/GPA. Our new dean decided to raise the academic standard and placed a bigger emphasis on GPA and MCAT score on our class(2020) to match up with the curriculum. Our class performance really shows and raised the exam average significantly. In the past, you can easily get 8-12 points curve in classes like physio1/micro1/micro2 and we got literally NO curve for micro1/micro2. One professor said he couldn't even if he wanted to and the other professor just said there is no need and it has never happened before. I have a 90+ average GPA right now and I'm not even ranked top 50. In my opinion, board score is really up to the students. Our class works extremely hard and I am pretty confident that we can raise our COMLEX average by 100+ points this year.

We didn't lose rotation sites. Nova gained a new site at Tampa and they want to take 50 students this year. Palmetto had 20 last year and is asking for more this year but we can only give them 28. Westside had 12 last year is asking for 24 this year. We still have same number of spots for level 1 Trauma hospitals(60 at Broward General and 18 at Memorial Regional). If you like South Beach, there are also 24 spots at Mount Sinai. Some rotation sites won't even be filled up with students this year because we have so many available spots.

The way I see about the money hunger part is that it provides more opportunity. What's the big deal about the school name change? Some MD schools also change their name after people make donations. It's 50 million dollars!! Heck, I will even name my children after him if it means to provide a brighter future for them and get them to where they want to be.

Can NSU do better? Absolutely. Is our curriculum good? Not really. It's really unnecessary tough and needs to tailored more to the boards. They really focus on making you a good clinician and not just to pass the boards. But this also creates a huge gap between students. People who do well with Nova's curriculum rock their boards and rotations whereas some other people are struggling with classes and passing the boards. Sometimes I sit here and wonder why do I have to learn everything about all the subtypes of endoscopy and GI surgeries details. I almost went to KCU because I really liked their system based curriculum and I really hope Nova considers it because it really is a better curriculum.

Feel free to ask me anything if you got any questions.
 
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COMP is heavy into OMM and that alone is enough for me to give it a hard pass. That isn’t including the fact that COMP is in the middle of nowhere Oregon and Nova is in FL...
Good point I didn't realize that COMP is heavy on OMM. On a side note aren't schools required to release board scores or pass rates because I cannot find anything for COMP?
 
Current M2 at Nova. Agree that we have unnecessary things that we have to do when we can be studying. However, if you think M1 year is tough just wait until next year(3-4 system courses every ~two months plus weekly OPP, clinical reasoning, and doctoring).

You are expected to know M1 basic science cold and material will fly through second year. We are on GI, Male GU, Renal, and Neuro block right now. Three weeks into the semester and we finished 70%+ of the path/pharm/random clinical lectures for all four systems. No one is holding your hand telling you that oh hi sir what happens when you lose the supply of the PICA? You are expected to know all these by the time you enter second year.

A lot of people are wondering about our low board pass rate. What happened here is that our curriculum asks a lot from us. Our classes are really tough and a lot of people failed (40+ for physio1, 40+ for MSK and 70+ for renal last year). For example, we just had a 50 minute lecture on all the infections related to the CNS system (rabies, meningitis, encephalitis and all its related bugs...etc) and that's about average for the amount of material in ONE lecture in your second year. If you have been using Sketchy religiously first year this will become like a board review session for you though. If you really understand the material and not just memorize and dump, Nova prepares you well for the boards and you see the same things multiple times.

Our old dean really cared about all roundedness and placed low emphasis on MCAT/GPA. Our new dean decided to raise the academic standard and placed a bigger emphasis on GPA and MCAT score on our class(2020) to match up with the curriculum. Our class performance really shows and raised the exam average significantly. In the past, you can easily get 8-12 points curve in classes like physio1/micro1/micro2 and we got literally NO curve for micro1/micro2. One professor said he couldn't even if he wanted to and the other professor just said there is no need and it has never happened before. I have a 90+ average GPA right now and I'm not even ranked top 50. In my opinion, board score is really up to the students. Our class works extremely hard and I am pretty confident that we can raise our COMLEX average by 100+ points this year.

We didn't lose rotation sites. Nova gained a new site at Tampa and they want to take 50 students this year. Palmetto had 20 last year and is asking for more this year but we can only give them 28. Westside had 12 last year is asking for 24 this year. We still have same number of spots for level 1 Trauma hospitals(60 at Broward General and 18 at Memorial Regional). If you like South Beach, there are also 24 spots at Mount Sinai. Some rotation sites won't even be filled up with students this year because we have so many available spots.

The way I see about the money hunger part is that it provides more opportunity. What's the big deal about the school name change? Some MD schools also change their name after people make donations. It's 50 million dollars!! Heck, I will even name my children after him if it means to provide a brighter future for them and get them to where they want to be.

Can NSU do better? Absolutely. Is our curriculum good? Not really. It's really unnecessary tough and needs to tailored more to the boards. They really focus on making you a good clinician and not just to pass the boards. Sometimes I sit here and wonder why do I have to learn everything about all the subtypes of endoscopy and GI surgeries details. But if you can handle it, you will be a rockstar. I almost went to KCU because I really liked their system based curriculum and I really hope Nova considers it because it really is a better curriculum.

Feel free to ask me anything if you got any questions.
Thanks for the plentiful information you've provided. I'm curious about the curriculum so is first year mainly basic sciences and then is the second year is broken down by systems? And does NSU encourage students to take USMLE?
 
Thanks for the plentiful information you've provided. I'm curious about the curriculum so is first year mainly basic sciences and then is the second year is broken down by systems? And does NSU encourage students to take USMLE?
Yes. First year is basic science and second year is systems in blocks. It's four blocks and each block has 3-4 systems at the same time. Each block is about 2 months long. Our second year professors are significantly better than first year professors though.

NSU doesn't encourage/discourage students to take USMLE. The school seems not to care at all but some program directors have come to speak at club meetings and tell us not to take it. Most of us take it anyway.
 
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Our classes are really tough and a lot of people failed (40+ for physio1, 40+ for MSK and 70+ for renal last year).
This is incredibly concerning and is on-par with what I have heard from friends who are M1s/M2s. I also have a close friend who had to repeat a year after failing too many courses in M2 to remediate over the summer. 95% of the people I know/have spoken to have a lot of negative things to say about the curriculum. Something with Nova is extremely concerning, and while I think overall they are better than other DO options, their recent track record is a huge part of why I decided to turn down my acceptance even though I live ~10 minutes away.
 
Yes. First year is basic science and second year is systems in blocks. It's four blocks and each block has 3-4 systems at the same time. Each block is about 2 months long. Our second year professors are significantly better than first year professors though.

NSU doesn't encourage/discourage students to take USMLE. The school seems not to care at all but some program directors have come to speak at club meetings and tell us not to take it. Most of us take it anyway.
That style curriculum is definitely more intense than that of COMP which does one system per block in second year. I don't understand how some schools are able to cover all the systems one at a time while NOVA does 3-4 at a time unless they are covering way more information...

On a side note why did you choose NOVA over KCU?
 
That style curriculum is definitely more intense than that of COMP which does one system per block in second year. I don't understand how some schools are able to cover all the systems one at a time while NOVA does 3-4 at a time unless they are covering way more information...

On a side note why did you choose NOVA over KCU?
My school does the 'integrated curriculum' also. The reason more schools don't do systems one at a time is purely dean preference as far as I can tell. Certain curriculum's have indeed performed better, and produce better results, but you can guarantee if the Dean doesn't like it they will make up some reason to do it the way he or she wants instead.

Nova got a new dean, and now they have a new curriculum, which failed lots of people. But of course, its the students fault. Their average MCAT and GPA must have sucked a couple years ago (being factitious, it didn't).

But I will say this, I believe no matter what the curriculum change is, the first year will probably do worse due to things not being lined up. Its why you want to avoid a school in the middle of one. I guarantee, that very few of those 70+ people at NOVA who failed physio saw that coming.
 
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