Schools of nursing starting white coat ceremonies...

[DermViser]

Uh, no. Just...no.

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[pharmnrp804]

I doubt they actually wear a white coat in a hospital.

Oh they will. Most people do. Even the chaplains. As for the BSN nursing students, we'll have to wait and see. I know the NP students do. Every nursing administrator wears one. It's actually less common for our physicians and pharmacists than anyone else.

 

[tdram]

Nursing students?

Yeah nursing students at our school all wear white coats in the hospital. Even EMT students wear white coats in our hospital.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

I'll never forget my white coat ceremony. It was on the Saturday before medical school started.

I went on a bender to Vegas instead of going.

Nothing happened to me either and don't regret it one bit.

If I knew that nothing was going to happen to me, I would have never gone to mine... My school were pretty gung-ho about that stuff...

 

[DermViser]

Yeah nursing students at our school all wear white coats in the hospital. Even EMT students wear white coats in our hospital.

Long white coats?

 

[BestDoctorEver]

True, but is the special snowflake thing worse among med students? I think so.

It's everywhere... It was like that when I was in nursing school except most of them were dirt poor--not like these kids that have mom and dad paying 35k/yearly tuition for them...

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Long white coats?

When I was in nursing school, many students worn long white coat for clinical... at that time I did not know the difference between long and short... May be these students knew...

 

[RJGOP]

Watch. Next thing we'll know nurses will be lobbying for, and probably recieving, MDs. I know the white coat ceremony is kind of a joke and/or **** show, but come on.

 

[DermViser]

When I was in nursing school, many students were long white coat for clinical... at that time I did not know the difference between long and short... May be these students knew...

Usually long coats - resident/attending. Short coat are medical students.

 

[fancymylotus]

Those short coats look like valet people coats. Or waiter coats. Whichever

 

[Spikebd]

Usually long coats - resident/attending. Short coat are medical students.

I'm not that into coats. I don't think I will wear one as an attending. Maybe I'm the problem here

 

[DermViser]

I'm not that into coats. I don't think I will wear one as an attending. Maybe I'm the problem here

In a hospital you may not have a choice.

 

[Spikebd]

In a hospital you may not have a choice.

Aren't those coats filthy anyway? They just spread C dif and MRSA everywhere

 

[tdram]

Long white coats?

Short

 

[BurghStudent]

Can we just do away with short white coats? They look ridiculous.

 

[DrBowtie]

Can we just do away with short white coats? They look ridiculous.

I think that was the point.

 

[Sweet Orange Juice]

In my place, we don't have white coat ceremony.

 

[Amazingmuzmo]

Fine by me, makes it easier to spot out the real doctors. A lot of the attendings that have "made it" at my school's hospital are seen either in scrubs on OR days or $5k suits on clinic/research days.

 

[Señor S]

Who needs white coats anyways? 9/10 you can tell a doctor apart from nurse, tech, midlevel etc. just by appearance.

 

[fancymylotus]

Fine by me, makes it easier to spot out the real doctors. A lot of the attendings that have "made it" at my school's hospital are seen either in scrubs on OR days or $5k suits on clinic/research days.

gotta love those zegna suits. delicious.

 

[dadaddadaBATMAN]

Watch. Next thing we'll know nurses will be lobbying for, and probably recieving, MDs. I know the white coat ceremony is kind of a joke and/or **** show, but come on.

There is a lot of hysteria on here, but this one is pretty unlikely. State legislatures might not be sympathetic to us, but even they will recognize our ability to police what makes our own degree. The relatively rare militant nurses don't really want to be seen as MDs. They want to be seen as equal, with a DNP.

 

[dadaddadaBATMAN]

Fine by me, makes it easier to spot out the real doctors. A lot of the attendings that have "made it" at my school's hospital are seen either in scrubs on OR days or $5k suits on clinic/research days.

Mayo clinic?
Why on earth would you wear anything of value to a hospital....ew.

Unless you're an administrator who never sees patients.

 

[username456789]

Mayo clinic?
Why on earth would you wear anything of value to a hospital....ew.

Unless you're an administrator who never sees patients.

In many institutions, academic and community, it is common for surgeons to wear a suit while seeing patients in clinic. The quality of the suit, of course, will vary by taste.

 

[DermViser]

Mayo clinic?
Why on earth would you wear anything of value to a hospital....ew.

Unless you're an administrator who never sees patients.

Bc it's part of Mayo Clinic wardrobe. I know IM at Mayo Clinic does this.

 

[fancymylotus]

In many institutions, academic and community, it is common for surgeons to wear a suit while seeing patients in clinic. The quality of the suit, of course, will vary by taste.

now I know why @Kaustikos wants to be a surgeon so much 😀

 

[dadaddadaBATMAN]

In many institutions, academic and community, it is common for surgeons to wear a suit while seeing patients in clinic. The quality of the suit, of course, will vary by taste.

I had never heard that, thank you

 

[dadaddadaBATMAN]

Bc it's part of Mayo Clinic wardrobe. I know IM at Mayo Clinic does this.

Yeah, my post wasn't terribly clear. I was asking if he was at Mayo clinic for that, because it's the only place I'd heard of the whole suits in the hospital thing.

Maybe it varies by region a little, or maybe I just lack experience. I've never encountered anyone doing patient-care wearing a suit, but I guess it's fairly common

 

[DermViser]

now I know why @Kaustikos wants to be a surgeon so much 😀

Yes, for some reason in the clinic Surgeons always told us (as students) that were to dress professionally. No scrubs.

 

[fancymylotus]

Yes, for some reason in the clinic Surgeons always told us (as students) that were to dress professionally. No scrubs.

and he loves a fancy suit. so it makes sense. 🙂

 

[zeppelinpage4]

I am completely indifferent to this news.

If it's making some new students feel happy and proud, good for them.

 

[fab4fan]

You would be surprised how many times people think that *I* am a nurse. Fairly certain nurses arent walking around work in dresses and heels. Dont they usually wear pastel carebear print scrubs or something? BLARGH

There are plenty of nurses who do wear "pumps and pearls," however, they're usually in administrative or other non-bedside roles. Most hospitals don't permit print scrubs, save for pediatric units.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Yeah, my post wasn't terribly clear. I was asking if he was at Mayo clinic for that, because it's the only place I'd heard of the whole suits in the hospital thing.

Maybe it varies by region a little, or maybe I just lack experience. I've never encountered anyone doing patient-care wearing a suit, but I guess it's fairly common

I'm sure it does vary by institution, region and personal preference. When I was a resident we were not allowed to round or come to clinic in scrubs unless we were on trauma.

Now in practice I enjoy dressing up for days in the office. My male colleagues wardrobes vary from Hawaiian shirts and khakis to suits.

 

[fab4fan]

The white coat ceremony was combined with the school’s annual lamp lighting ceremony. The lamp is a symbol rooted in the story of Florence Nightingale, who became known for carrying a lamp during her night rounds tending to wounded Crimean War soldiers.

A white coat ceremony for nurses; call me old school, but I think it's sad. When I was in school, we just bought short, off-the-rack lab coats. Our equivalent of a "white coat ceremony" was our capping ceremony, which was about three months after we started. It was very sentimental, and it meant that we survived the probationary period. We had a second capping ceremony at graduation, where we got our graduate caps. Back in the day, you could tell what nursing school a nurse attended based on her cap.

I don't see why we (nurses) can't be proud of our own traditions, rather than trying to co-opt what medicine does. It dilutes what makes nursing special in its own right.

 

[DermViser]

A white coat ceremony for nurses; call me old school, but I think it's sad. When I was in school, we just bought short, off-the-rack lab coats. Our equivalent of a "white coat ceremony" was our capping ceremony, which was about three months after we started. It was very sentimental, and it meant that we survived the probationary period. We had a second capping ceremony at graduation, where we got our graduate caps. Back in the day, you could tell what nursing school a nurse attended based on her cap.

I don't see why we (nurses) can't be proud of our own traditions, rather than trying to co-opt what medicine does. It dilutes what makes nursing special in its own right.

That's what I don't understand either. Why not be actually proud of the nursing profession? Why try to change traditions to match someone else's? It's stupid. If anything it shows a lot of insecurity. The "doctorate" in nursing practice makes it worse. A masters is perfectly adequate, esp. since the DNP doesn't give an greater clinical hours.

 

[fab4fan]

When I was in nursing school, many students worn long white coat for clinical... at that time I did not know the difference between long and short... May be these students knew...

We were given strict, and I do meant strict, instructions that our coats were to be short...no exceptions.

 

[fab4fan]

That's what I don't understand either. Why not be actually proud of the nursing profession? Why try to change traditions to match someone else's? It's stupid. If anything it shows a lot of insecurity. The "doctorate" in nursing practice makes it worse. A masters is perfectly adequate, esp. since the DNP doesn't give an greater clinical hours.

Don't ask me, I must have missed the memo. Perhaps it's an attempt to gain respect from others. I mean, look at this site; there are plenty of people here who will be working with nurses who have no compunctions about expressing disdain for nurses. Heck, there's even a dentist (!) who joins in on the fray. What's funny is there's dissention and disrespect among our own ranks. A long white coat isn't going to change what's wrong with our profession.

 

[DermViser]

Don't ask me, I must have missed the memo. Perhaps it's n attempt to gain respect from others. I mean, look at this site; there are plenty of people here who will be working with nurses who have no compunctions about expressing disdain for nurses. Heck, there's even a dentist (!) who joins in on the fray. What's funny is there's dissention and disrespect among our own ranks. A long white coat isn't going to change what's wrong with our profession.

Well, disdain for NPs and the nurses that call for every god-forsaken thing at 3 AM.

 

[Amazingmuzmo]

gotta love those zegna suits. delicious.

This x100. I'd trust a physician in a Zegna suit to remove a tumor from my head over someone in a nasty old white coat any day lol.

Mayo clinic?
Why on earth would you wear anything of value to a hospital....ew.

Unless you're an administrator who never sees patients.

The attending I'm doing research with is making north of $1 million dollars, he could have a new suit every day if he wanted. Not at the mayo clinic, it's a hospital within the greater NY area, he just practices a very specialized niche within his field. Only other place to have some of the things he does would be in Pittsburgh many hours away.

 

[fancymylotus]

wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaah I wanna make north of a mil.

 

[pharmnrp804]

wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaah I wanna make north of a mil.

I'm right there with you. How do I sign up for that??

 

[fancymylotus]

all the bags and shooz I could buy...😱

 

[Spikebd]

That's what I don't understand either. Why not be actually proud of the nursing profession? Why try to change traditions to match someone else's? It's stupid. If anything it shows a lot of insecurity. The "doctorate" in nursing practice makes it worse. A masters is perfectly adequate, esp. since the DNP doesn't give an greater clinical hours.

The DNP is a scam by the nursing schools to get more money from the students. It forces them to pay for additional schooling, and that schooling is useless nursing theory. It has nothing to do with actual patient care. Nurse practitioners didn't gain any tangible value from the decision to switch to a DNP except for the ones who like to call themselves doctor.

 

[Spikebd]

Well, disdain for NPs and the nurses that call for every god-forsaken thing at 3 AM.

With respect to the nurses, it's their job to call. Sucks for doctors, but nurses worry about things like losing their license too. I'm sure most nurses loathe calling anyway

 

[fab4fan]

With respect to the nurses, it's their job to call. Sucks for doctors, but nurses worry about things like losing their license too. I'm sure most nurses loathe calling anyway

We do, but there are some who page first, think later, and some who page because they don't like a particular doc.

 

[DermViser]

We do, but there are some who page first, think later, and some who page because they don't like a particular doc.

That's what I think annoys docs. Esp. the ones who were on an earlier shift and could have easily asked for a Tylenol then. Of course, even when a med is written for, the nurse just misses it and pages you anyways. I guess one good thing with EMRs now.

 

[Amazingmuzmo]

wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaah I wanna make north of a mil.

I'm right there with you. How do I sign up for that??

Eh, be careful what you wish for. The only time you'd be able to enjoy the money is on your way to and from work in your amazing car haha. I have legitimately never met anyone in my life with the type of work ethic he has, I regularly get correspondence from him about research stuff at 2 or 3 in the morning. How he manages to keep up a cool and funny personality is beyond me. *man crush*

 

[RJGOP]

There is a lot of hysteria on here, but this one is pretty unlikely. State legislatures might not be sympathetic to us, but even they will recognize our ability to police what makes our own degree. The relatively rare militant nurses don't really want to be seen as MDs. They want to be seen as equal, with a DNP.

And why do you think Oregon pays doctors like crap and the nurses are treated like Gods. I was being a little hyperbolic, but I'm sure they're plenty of nurses who want to be and think they should be an MD or DO without having to got to medical school. Hell, most of them already think they know more than the physicians. It is unlikely, and nothing can surprise me anymore.

 

[Kaustikos]

In many institutions, academic and community, it is common for surgeons to wear a suit while seeing patients in clinic. The quality of the suit, of course, will vary by taste.

Yup.
Although there was a massive confusion at our school because some hospitals required it, but others didn't. Regardless; clinic was suits/professional attire. The funny part of it all was this student...who may be in my class... that was in clinic (wearing professional attire) and saw this person wearing scrubs and was trying to lecture her on the professional attire required. She was amused because he was the med student and she was the attending. I really wish I could've found some sort of a recording of that; it's like the best car crash you can ever witness and I wasn't there 🙁

I don't mind the suits/professional attire. I'm just not a fan of my coat... I've gotten more accomplished by not wearing my coat. I'm not talking about anything "MD required" but more like trying to get an early morning consult from the radiologist on a CT before rounds or asking staff for updates on patients.

 

[Kaustikos]

That's what I think annoys docs. Esp. the ones who were on an earlier shift and could have easily asked for a Tylenol then. Of course, even when a med is written for, the nurse just misses it and pages you anyways. I guess one good thing with EMRs now.

The attending I'm with was actually telling me about that today. He pretty much has this orchestrated post-op care setup for all his patients so that they're out the door in 4 days... which is pretty awesome for open-heart surgery. He (in his kind of words) dragged the staff into following his EMR order sets explicitly years ago before paging him and it worked... he had prn meds for pretty much every cardiac complication that can happen and it worked. The nursing staff love it because they know what they need to do and it's a relief to not have to page the doctor in order to do it.

 

[PL198]

Do the NPs at your guys' hospitals get physician badges? That pisses me off because I was ok with them calling themselves doctors, however I was always under the impression it was known and accepted that they aren't physicians. It is my belief the only degrees that are physicians are MD, DO, DMD, DDS(and other dental degrees I'm forgetting if there are any more), DVM(although they'd be a pet physician) and maybe DPM. I don't understand how a PA isn't considered a physician, but a NP is by my hospital. A PA is closer to one than a NP in my opinion(being under medical board, etc etc), so I just have 0 idea how this concept has developed.

I'm also ok with them calling themselves clinicians, but physicians, really? TBH the NP I interact with is really nice and I truly enjoy being around them, however that doesn't change my opinion about their title.