Serious doubts about medical school..

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I failed 2 courses, the school is allowing me to retake the year, but I am not sure if I am cut out for medical school.

I have been studying very hard and have only been barely passing my classes...

I know medicine is what I want to do, but I am not sure if I should take the risk. Should I take the risk and continue on with medical school or quit while I still can?

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I failed 2 courses, the school is allowing me to retake the year, but I am not sure if I am cut out for medical school.

I have been studying very hard and have only been barely passing my classes...

Should I take the risk and continue on with medical school or quit while I still can?

Have you been able to get academic counseling to see where your weakness are? Really sorry to hear about that!
 
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Have you worked with the learning specialists at the school? What potentially impacted your performance this year? What is their remediation policy? What happens if you fail another class next year? Just remediation or they automatically kick you out?

Basically it's going to come down to whether or not you had a reason for why you couldn't do well this year or whether or not it's just not for you. If you can fix the former and work with learning specialists and admin, you could do well. If it's just that you lack a good foundation in science or an interest in the classes or can't put in the time then it may be more difficult to go back in.
 
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Have you been able to get academic counseling to see where your weakness are? Really sorry to hear about that!
Thank you for your response. I have gotten academic counseling, and I have difficulty with memorization.
 
Have you worked with the learning specialists at the school? What potentially impacted your performance this year? What is their remediation policy? What happens if you fail another class next year? Just remediation or they automatically kick you out?

Basically it's going to come down to whether or not you had a reason for why you couldn't do well this year or whether or not it's just not for you. If you can fix the former and work with learning specialists and admin, you could do well. If it's just that you lack a good foundation in science or an interest in the classes or can't put in the time then it may be more difficult to go back in.
I have gone to see the learning specialist once, and I tried to use the tips given to no avail. I did not have a strong foundational knowledge in the sciences combined with depression/anxiety and poor time management.

They would kick me out if I failed again which is why I am hesitant.
 
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I have gone to see the learning specialist once, and I tried to use the tips given to no avail. I did not have a strong foundational knowledge in the sciences combined with depression/anxiety and poor time management, I am planning on taking graduate classes next semester/getting counseling and then returning in the Fall.

They would kick me out if I failed again which is why I am hesitant.

Consider working with your psychiatrist and your admin, maybe ask to ghost the remaining half of the year?
 
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Consider working with your psychiatrist and your admin, maybe ask to ghost the remaining half of the year?
My other fear is if I continue with classes, I will pass the first year again but what if second year rolls around and I am in the same situation? :(
 
My other fear is if I continue with classes, I will pass the first year again but what if second year rolls around and I am in the same situation? :(

It depends on whether you fix the reasons you had problems in your first year and are conscious of the need to work harder. I generally think that unless you entered medical school with a sub 3.2/24 you probably are capable of finishing it. But talk to admin and your learning specialists. It isn't their first time teaching students.
 
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It depends on whether you fix the reasons you had problems in your first year and are conscious of the need to work harder. I generally think that unless you entered medical school with a sub 3.2/24 you probably are capable of finishing it. But talk to admin and your learning specialists. It isn't their first time teaching students.
I believe I put in enough hours, I just need to study more efficiently. I entered with a 3.6 (top 20 school) and 27 MCAT. Average stats for my school but I am performing below average. :(

Thank you, I have been in contact with them. I feel they have more confidence in me than I have in myself at this point.
 
I failed 2 courses, the school is allowing me to retake the year, but I am not sure if I am cut out for medical school.

I have been studying very hard and have only been barely passing my classes...

I know medicine is what I want to do, but I am not sure if I should take the risk. Should I take the risk and continue on with medical school or quit while I still can?
sorry to hear that...As the ones above said, working with school's counseling service might be the best way to go. However I do wanna say don't give up yet!! I know a dude in our class who started out in the bottom 25%, now he's creeping his way up to the 2nd quartile! Just because you failed a few classes doesn't mean "you're not cut for it"!
 
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sorry to hear that...As the ones above said, working with school's counseling service might be the best way to go. However I do wanna say don't give up yet!! I know a dude in our class who started out in the bottom 25%, now he's creeping his way up to the 2nd quartile! Just because you failed a few classes doesn't mean "you're not cut for it"!
Thank you for the hope.
 
I believe I put in enough hours, I just need to study more efficiently. I entered with a 3.6 (top 20 school) and 27 MCAT. Average stats for my school but I am performing below average. :(

Thank you, I have been in contact with them. I feel they have more confidence in me than I have in myself at this point.

Hey man,

Sorry to hear your situation. My pre-med stats are much worse than yours and I have high anxiety (and I suck at memorization). I was a C student when I came in, but have improved my grades a lot. There are several things that were huge for me
1) study groups (they point out what could be high yield, or fill in gaps of knowledge)
2) youtube videos (they dumb down a lot of stuff to give me a solid base)
3) pounding questions (whether anki, BRS, etc.) - this evaluate whether you have a strong grasp of the concepts
4) re-evaluation of understanding after each study hour or day - are you accomplishing your goals for the time you study

I also go the the learning specialist also, it has helped (though not as much as I though, but that might be because I have great knowledge of study techniques). I definitely think you can improve!
 
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27 on the MCATS, you have the intellectual ability to get through med school which makes me think the issue is more related to your depression/anxiety exacerbated by the stress of med school demands...I would recommend finding a good psychiatrist (even if you have to pay out of pocket). I had a major depressive episode during internship (after my father passed) and made it through with the help of a good shrink who prescribed the right combo of meds
 
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3 Things, See if you have ADHD, one of my classmates had a similar issue and once diagnosed, hes been rocking the 1st year classes. 2nd By poor time managment what do you mean? do you leave things last minute or you are distracted as you study? Deal With the anxiety/depression . Good luck
 
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Hey man,

Sorry to hear your situation. My pre-med stats are much worse than yours and I have high anxiety (and I suck at memorization). I was a C student when I came in, but have improved my grades a lot. There are several things that were huge for me
1) study groups (they point out what could be high yield, or fill in gaps of knowledge)
2) youtube videos (they dumb down a lot of stuff to give me a solid base)
3) pounding questions (whether anki, BRS, etc.) - this evaluate whether you have a strong grasp of the concepts
4) re-evaluation of understanding after each study hour or day - are you accomplishing your goals for the time you study

I also go the the learning specialist also, it has helped (though not as much as I though, but that might be because I have great knowledge of study techniques). I definitely think you can improve!
I am so glad to hear stories like yours. A lot of people have been telling me to study in groups, must be true. How do you find time to review the material and also pound a lot of questions?
 
3 Things, See if you have ADHD, one of my classmates had a similar issue and once diagnosed, hes been rocking the 1st year classes. 2nd By poor time managment what do you mean? do you leave things last minute or you are distracted as you study? Deal With the anxiety/depression . Good luck
By poor time management I mean I spend A LOT of time studying the lecture powerpoint slides..and I am strapped for time. I only get to look at each powerpoint 2x before the exam. :( I have a lot of anxiety going into exams and the day before the exam and it is a huge distraction for me.
 
27 on the MCATS, you have the intellectual ability to get through med school which makes me think the issue is more related to your depression/anxiety exacerbated by the stress of med school demands...I would recommend finding a good psychiatrist (even if you have to pay out of pocket). I had a major depressive episode during internship (after my father passed) and made it through with the help of a good shrink who prescribed the right combo of meds
I hope it is, thank you for response. Would you recommend seeking medical treatment or just counseling? My lowest score on the MCAT was in the biology section, however.
 
By poor time management I mean I spend A LOT of time studying the lecture powerpoint slides..and I am strapped for time. I only get to look at each powerpoint 2x before the exam. :( I have a lot of anxiety going into exams and the day before the exam and it is a huge distraction for me.
adderall for studying and xanax for test time, c'mon, get it together! You can do it!
 
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I am so glad to hear stories like yours. A lot of people have been telling me to study in groups, must be true. How do you find time to review the material and also pound a lot of questions?

You need to time your reviews (I would do an hour per lecture). If you are trying to memorize every detail, you are doing it wrong. Once you are done you have to go back see what your are retaining and understanding. If there are things that slow you down, you have another session mainly focusing on these tougher topics.

Also there are things professors love to teach, and this is the stuff tested on exams and are usually board relevant. Highlight things that the professor mentions in class and go over that first and foremost before going more into depth with other material. This will drastically cut down the material you will need to retain.

When you are in your study groups, your study buddies who are awesome at retention will help you with the details that fill the holes in conceptual knowledge. They will also tell you what they think is high yield. It is insane how many time my friends saved me on exams.

As for pounding questions, this is what I do after a couple reviews (i.e. 1st review will be w/ power points, 2nd might be with other sources if I didn't understand slides) to make sure I truly understand the material. It help because it gets you into the test mentality and also helps to see where the holes in knowledge are.

The key really is going superficial first and then deep, don't worry if you don't understand it all on the first pass. Jolt down what you think you have a hard time with and save it for the second pass. Make sure to use any outside resource: youtube, BRS, etc. for your second pass with the though stuff. The third could be with your study buddies and/or doing questions. This has helped a great deal.

If you have any questions, let me know.
 
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Get this fixed before going any further in your academics.

By poor time management I mean I spend A LOT of time studying the lecture powerpoint slides..and I am strapped for time. I only get to look at each powerpoint 2x before the exam. :( I have a lot of anxiety going into exams and the day before the exam and it is a huge distraction for me.
 
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Here are the stuff that I do:

1) Spend 5-10 mins before the lecture breezing through the slides and the objectives to have a handle of the flow.
2) Have the objectives of the lecture in front of me for lecture. The objectives should have already been filled by me or my buddies.
3) Go at 1.8-2.3x speed through the lecture with a printed copy of the objective word doc on hand, annotating additional notes that I find are important. I go through about 5-7 hrs of lectures in 4-5 hrs with this method.
4) Usually, my test is on Monday, and we're tested on about 24-28 hrs of lecture. Therefore, I reviewed about 12-14 hrs of lectures of Friday along w/ USMLERX flashcards and FA for the quests relative to each lecture.
5) I received another 12-14 hrs of lectures on Saturday with the same thing.
6) Light day on Sunday.
 
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You need to time your reviews (I would do an hour per lecture). If you are trying to memorize every detail, you are doing it wrong. Once you are done you have to go back see what your are retaining and understanding. If there are things that slow you down, you have another session mainly focusing on these tougher topics.

Also there are things professors love to teach, and this is the stuff tested on exams and are usually board relevant. Highlight things that the professor mentions in class and go over that first and foremost before going more into depth with other material. This will drastically cut down the material you will need to retain.

When you are in your study groups, your study buddies who are awesome at retention will help you with the details that fill the holes in conceptual knowledge. They will also tell you what they think is high yield. It is insane how many time my friends saved me on exams.

As for pounding questions, this is what I do after a couple reviews (i.e. 1st review will be w/ power points, 2nd might be with other sources if I didn't understand slides) to make sure I truly understand the material. It help because it gets you into the test mentality and also helps to see where the holes in knowledge are.

The key really is going superficial first and then deep, don't worry if you don't understand it all on the first pass. Jolt down what you think you have a hard time with and save it for the second pass. Make sure to use any outside resource: youtube, BRS, etc. for your second pass with the though stuff. The third could be with your study buddies and/or doing questions. This has helped a great deal.

If you have any questions, let me know.
Excellent advice, definitely will try this out! Thank you!
 
Repetition... Repetition... Repetition... Did I say repetition?

You can do that by doing ton of questions...

Layer repetition especially

I would rather do 1 lecture per hour 3-5 times (superficial to deep) versus 1 lecture 3-5 hours only 1-2 times (knowing every minutia).
 
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Layer repetition especially

I would rather do 1 lecture per hour 3-5 times (superficial to deep) versus 1 lecture 3-5 hours only 1-2 times (knowing every minutia).
Right so what I do is first I condense a lecture as much as possible and then I go over the first page, review it, second page, review second page + first page, review everything, etc. Never move ahead without repeating what came before.
 
Right so what I do is first I condense a lecture as much as possible and then I go over the first page, review it, second page, review second page + first page, review everything, etc. Never move ahead without repeating what came before.

Intersting. I usually use the objective approach. Where I look at the slide pertaining to the objective first, then try to see if I can summarize the point of the objective after completion. If I can't, I make a note of it. If I finish ahead of time, I will look back to the slides to see if I can answer the objective again. I usually try to keep this within that hour. The important thing I learned is being comfortable with what you don't know because it can really slow you down and you end up covering less material. This the key thing medical students have an issue with.

Also, I don't usually make condensed notes, since I am a visual learner and slides have a lot of pictures. If the slides are word heavy, then I resort to condensed notes. However, condensed notes are a very good strategy for most.
 
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Also, when I review for stuff, I cross reference big key topics of each lecture with First Aid and then use USMLERX Flashcards. That's how I nail down key concepts that will cover 70-80% of the materials. Med school is all about learning how to study.
 
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I failed 2 courses, the school is allowing me to retake the year, but I am not sure if I am cut out for medical school.

Yes, med school isn't for everyone. About a handful dropped out of school and it's still the 1st semester.

The people who are thriving in school are studying everyday. They have a study plan and they stick to it.

Med school is simple. You study until you know your #$@*. How do you know? Teach it to someone. If you don't understand, don't be afraid to ask. I ask questions all the time. Seek out for help. If you got an ego or some superior complex...... lose it.
 
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I personally hate Anki and find it to be a waste of time. 1-2 hrs of making flashcards could be better spent learning the material.

True it is a time sink but the reward has been great for me


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True it is a time sink but the reward has been great for me

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This. Just finished MSK, neuro, and psych. Anki was definitely worth its weight in gold for learning all the drugs, and especially their side-effects. I agree that anki isn't for everyone, and for every subject; but I personally think that for pharm, it's been great.
 
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This. Just finished MSK, neuro, and psych. Anki was definitely worth its weight in gold for learning all the drugs, and especially their side-effects. I agree that anki isn't for everyone, and for every subject; but I personally think that for pharm, it's been great.

Does it help you in getting honor like 90+%? I'm already at high 80s so I don't know if I want to completely revamp my studying techniques.
 
Does it help you in getting honor like 90+%? I'm already at high 80s so I don't know if I want to completely revamp my studying techniques.

Nah, I don't think that you should do anything different with your study techniques. Sounds like you're already killing it. I just felt that neuro and psych drugs were different beasts than drugs from other units in that their side-effect profiles overlapped between neuro and psych, and anki kept me organized.

And sorry, I didn't mean to hijack OP's thread.
 
This sucks. I know the feeling. I struggled a lot during my first semester. I was also terrible at memorizing and didn't have a strong background in the sciences. All I can tell you is that if you keep pushing then you will be able to become better at this skill.

I know a kid in med school that failed first year twice. He's making it through second year now. Giving up was never an option for him, and honestly, that's the attitude you need to have if you want to be a doctor. Nobody said it would be easy.
 
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This sucks. I know the feeling. I struggled a lot during my first semester. I was also terrible at memorizing and didn't have a strong background in the sciences. All I can tell you is that if you keep pushing then you will be able to become better at this skill.

I know a kid in med school that failed first year twice. He's making it through second year now. Giving up was never an option for him, and honestly, that's the attitude you need to have if you want to be a doctor. Nobody said it would be easy.
Thank you for the encouragement! Wow, failed first year twice? Wouldn't they have dismissed him by then?
 
Thank you for the encouragement! Wow, failed first year twice? Wouldn't they have dismissed him by then?
I think even he thought that was going to happen (he was doing his first repeat when I was a first year), but the dean said she believed in him and there is a 6 year window to graduate and let him try again.
 
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I think even he thought that was going to happen (he was doing his first repeat when I was a first year), but the dean said she believed in him and there is a 6 year window to graduate and let him try again.
Very lucky. Nice dean.
 
I think even he thought that was going to happen (he was doing his first repeat when I was a first year), but the dean said she believed in him and there is a 6 year window to graduate and let him try again.
This is the kind of support that students need in med school, but sadly many schools don't have deans who believe in their students...
 
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This is the kind of support that students need in med school, but sadly many schools don't have deans who believe in their students...

Yup, this is a really big thing when you're deciding on DO school. You don't get these kinds of information from sdn or stats. As a premed, you want to ask the right quests and be observant during your interview day.
 
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This is the kind of support that students need in med school, but sadly many schools don't have deans who believe in their students...
Is the student paying tuition on each repeat?
 
In addition to the resources listed above, you can sometimes find practice questions by doing a google search. For example, I typed in Anatomy practice questions from http://act.downstate.edu/courseware/haonline/quiz.htm:

Name the correct name for this structure (and no, I'm not sharing the answer!). 13 distractors is more than what NBOME allows, though.
Costal facet of transverse process
Foramen transversarium
Inferior articular process
Superior articular process
Vertebra: articular facet
Vertebra: body
Vertebra: inferior articular process
Vertebra: lamina
Vertebra: pedicle
Vertebra: spinous process
Vertebra: superior articular process
Vertebra: transverse process
Vertebra: vertebral canal


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Where do you get your questions?
 
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You should be fine if you study hard. Repetition is key. Also don't waste a lot of time listening to professors' or watching lectures/attending class as most of what you need to know (at least 90% of it) is already in the notes/slides.
 
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You should be fine if you study hard. Repetition is key. Also don't waste a lot of time listening to professors' or watching lectures/attending class as most of what you need to know (at least 90% of it) is already in the notes/slides.

I'd be careful with that statement, while what you say is somewhat true, I had a lot of questions that could only be answered if one listened to the lecturer (at the very least listen to the recordings). It becomes an even larger problem when 75% of the slides are nothing more than pictures and graphs...
 
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I'd be careful with that statement, while what you say is somewhat true, I had a lot of questions that could only be answered if one listened to the lecturer (at the very least listen to the recordings). It becomes an even larger problem when 75% of the slides are nothing more than pictures and graphs...
Agree with this. At least for me the real meat was in listening to lectures to see what aspects were key. The slides and notes alone were usually either lacking or containing too much information.
 
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