You accuse me of brushing too broadly, but that's just an excuse you use to focus on exceptions and then use that exception as means of brushing broadly by trying to eliminate AA
(Did you read my post and following post?? (I don't list exceptions, you simply and conveniently dismiss them as such). Again, URM classification is based mostly on race. People from those races, more commonly than not
(Why, you are learning Triage! Congratulations, on average, in general, they do), suffer greater race related problems. Social class and economics alone doesn't bar them from racism, so no, that's not a good argument
(Racism is multi-directional and historically has and currently affects Asian Americans as well, I would assume to a far larger degree than Caucasians. South Asians, for example, are the most bullied group in America, underrepresented Asian Americans in sports, corporate America, media, etc. and believe it or not, race is a huge factor). We can easily point to our president and the racial attacks he often receives, but you'll probably say it's n=1 because you can't accept the reality that the overall experience of black and hispanics is worse than those of ORM/Caucasians
(Yes, Asian American politicians (Oakland, Louisiana) have been the subject of blatant racism as well. Racism against minorities in politics or positions of power is well documented, and you made a baseless assumption about my beliefs). And finally,
since you'll throw in the great exception that nearly never exists of the black guy whose parents are billionaires and has lived in a racist-absent bubble, (You make me laugh, I have never made that statement and this ridiculous level of hyperbole doesn't help the discussion) you also must keep in mind that ADCOMS don't have a gun to their head
(as LizzyM mentioned, if a certain level of diversity is not met, medical schools can lose accreditation, although if you are going to exaggerate, of course they aren't going to accept EVERY URM applicant) where they must accept every minority/give every minority a break. Believe it or not, URM also receive letters of rejection
(Oh ,really! I never knew that!!! ) from schools, so no, your nearly impossible exception is accounted for by the process
(You would be a horrible lawyer, what impossible exception are you talking about, and you still miss the major points of my posts...). And until you have any evidence of how the disadvantaged box influences decisions
(Did I say it doesn't affect decisions? So the mere lack of evidence disproves a possibility or even the consideration of a possibility? I said it would be beneficial to have greater transparency in the process, considering "disadvantaged" is subjective, and we can argue race, a social construct) , you should abstain from jumping the gun and proposing that they are likely looked over
(Please take your own advice).
And I don't get where you think I'm saying that URM can't be racist to ORM or vice-versa. Don't misrepresent my point.
(IThe examples you provide/statements you make oversimplify race relations, race realities, etc.) I also never said that every ORM has to have a cushy and good life. All I've said is that policies exist to address the
large trend, which you keep saying is "brushing broadly
(The words you use would obviously affect interpretation, and you have a post history of making blanket statements) ." And once more, the process still has a way to account for these exceptions where there are ORM disadvantaged
(the exceptions? See the problem here? Disadvantaged ORM is not uncommon...) and URM whose credentials are low in expectation to their experience.
If you choose to go in circles for a 4th or so time, I'm not going to bother anymore
(LOL). I've repeated myself enough and you fail to answer. A real person discussing AA would discuss if it truly matters to have a representative group of physicians or to account for race/socioeconomics since these factors are not truly objective. You, on the other hand, want to paint the wrong picture of what AA is (.