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Ya do have a point.
I'm going to make my argument simple: I don't condone cheating.
I'm going to make my argument simple: I don't condone cheating.
A lot of selective reading going on. All he's saying that he wouldn't get any satisfaction or good feeling out of ratting somebody out. He would rather just do his work legitimately and mind his own business.
Basically, you'll get a better high knowing that you did it the right way, compared to the cheater, who had to cheat. Whether you turn them in or not, doesn't matter.
This is kind of a different scenario, but if fireworks were illegal in your city, and you knew your neighbor/friend was illegally distributing fireworks, would you call the police on them? No, you wouldn't.
Again. What he said was that he would feel better knowing that he did it the legit way and that the satisfaction that he would get from acing a class the legit way would be much greater than whatever satisfaction he'd get by turning in a cheater.
He never said he'd feel bad about turning in a cheater.
I got what he said. I gave MY opinion of the situation and what I would do. I understand that he would rather leave it alone. What I am saying is that that type of inaction is dishonest itself, IMO. I don't see why this is so difficult for you to understand.
personally, i have never cheated on an exam, because I never felt the necessity, I think it's a pretty desperate measure, especially considering the stringent consequences. having said all that, I would NEVER turn someone in for cheating on an exam because their poor choices are not my business. cheating ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS catches up with you. whether you not being ready for the final and doing poorly, or getting caught sooner or later, cheating NEVER goes unoticed. besides, it's truly impossible to cheat on an upper division biology/chemistry class, there is just far too much intricate detail and the shere amount of knowledge that must be gained for each midterm is just far too massive for anyone to be able to effectively cheat on
Look, some people just don't being whistle blowers. In a lot of places snitching isn't welcome. I know it might be the right thing to do but for some its innate nature not to snitch. If you honestly have a problem talk to the person who is cheating. I know it sounds tough guy attitude but confronting the person 1st would be better than jumping to conclusions.
I think in KY state law it is illegal if a pharmacist is aware of another pharmacist's illegal activity and doesn't report it, I'll look up the statute later to double check though.
personally, i have never cheated on an exam, because I never felt the necessity, I think it's a pretty desperate measure, especially considering the stringent consequences. having said all that, I would NEVER turn someone in for cheating on an exam because their poor choices are not my business. cheating ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS catches up with you. whether you not being ready for the final and doing poorly, or getting caught sooner or later, cheating NEVER goes unoticed. besides, it's truly impossible to cheat on an upper division biology/chemistry class, there is just far too much intricate detail and the shere amount of knowledge that must be gained for each midterm is just far too massive for anyone to be able to effectively cheat on
personally, i have never cheated on an exam, because I never felt the necessity, I think it's a pretty desperate measure, especially considering the stringent consequences. having said all that, I would NEVER turn someone in for cheating on an exam because their poor choices are not my business. cheating ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS catches up with you. whether you not being ready for the final and doing poorly, or getting caught sooner or later, cheating NEVER goes unoticed. besides, it's truly impossible to cheat on an upper division biology/chemistry class, there is just far too much intricate detail and the shere amount of knowledge that must be gained for each midterm is just far too massive for anyone to be able to effectively cheat on
Look, some people just don't being whistle blowers. In a lot of places snitching isn't welcome. I know it might be the right thing to do but for some its innate nature not to snitch. If you honestly have a problem talk to the person who is cheating. I know it sounds tough guy attitude but confronting the person 1st would be better than jumping to conclusions.
I use to date a girl that cheated and stole her way through undergrad, and into pharmacy school, and is currently in her 4th year in U. of Michigan PharmD program.
She got arrested numerous times for shoplifting, and through plea bargaining and straight up lies, her sentences were either reduced, or no one pressed charges. If she got caught cheating, she's come up with some sob story and puppy eyes. She always got away in the end.
She never studied for a single test, she basically always conned someone into taking her test (usually some geeky, desperate geek) or into giving her answers, or got a hold of a test before hand (through her sorority), or dated TA's just to get tests, or hang out with other cheaters (I scratch your back, you scratch mine).
So it isn't impossible to cheat in upper division classes, its quite the opposite. She may not be cheating in pharmacy school (I haven't talked to her since she moved to pharmacy school) anymore, but she doesn't deserve to be in any grad. program, but if you ask her, she would probably say "why do I care what other think, I'm in pharmacy school and their not."
P.S. Many people who know her want to rat her out, many hoped she would get burned just like how she burned others, but just like me, we thought the system would catch up with her, or think the next person will rat her out. Apparently, it hasn't because nobody ever wants to get involved.
If you are unsure of what to do. Ask yourself, What would Jesus Do? Would he snitch?
I think not. And Because of that, I wouldn't either.
I can sense the next candidate question, "WWJD if he saw someone commit murder?"
Answer is... it's Unpossible.
Well.. What do you think?
I personally don't care what Jesus would do, but I don't think that he would condone cheating.
Well.. What do you think?
I don't know, considering that this is a pre-pharm forum and most pre-pharm students have a strong science background, I don't know if most people here ask themselves what would Jesus do. Science and religion usually do not go together very well.
Your definition of ratting is somewhat scewed. Ratting is going to the library administration and reporting that a couple in the study room next to you is having sex. That is considered ratting. Reporting to your professor that a fellow student is cheating is not ratting.
And what is it then, snitching, whistle-blowing, other adjective? what's the difference if they are synonims? I assume you live a very, very long time here in America. Where you come from, a self-respecting man will never shake a snitcher's hand.
I'm curious as to what kind of gradient you operate on with your "no snitching" policy. If you saw someone that you knew rob and injury someone, would you report it? Or do you have a blanket no snitching policy that covers all misdeeds?
Unless of course if you plan on being one of those pharmacists who denies people their prescription for morning after pills and birth control.
Calling in an injury or robbery isn't snitching. And by the way can you name me one glorified snitch? No you can't because snitching is frowned upon everywhere. Thats why when people break big stories to newspapers they stay anonymous. No one likes a rat.
And what is it then, snitching, whistle-blowing, other adjective? what's the difference if they are synonims? I assume you live a very, very long time here in America. Where you come from, a self-respecting man will never shake a snitcher's hand.
Actually, I would deny those prescriptions for anyone who is under the age of 40 on the charge of them committing SWS (Sex While Stupid).
Besides, if the cheating doesn't catch up to them in this life, it will catch up to them in the after life.
I certainly don't want someone who cheated their way through med school as my doctor or pharmacist.
You talk big but are you yourself willing to subject to yourself to the same principles ? Wait untill you have too much Vodka and have a coyote morning the next day with a chick that seemed like a fairy a night before.You'll run to the pharmacy first thing in the morning and probably forget you ever came up with a SWS.
I use to date a girl that cheated and stole her way through undergrad, and into pharmacy school, and is currently in her 4th year in U. of Michigan PharmD program. I should have turned her in during undergrad, but I choose not to mainly because I thought karma would catch up to her and I was dating her. She got arrested numerous times for shoplifting, and through plea bargaining and straight up lies, her sentences were either reduced, or no one pressed charges. If she got caught cheating, she's come up with some sob story and puppy eyes. She always got away in the end.
She never studied for a single test, she basically always conned someone into taking her test (usually some geeky, desperate geek) or into giving her answers, or got a hold of a test before hand (through her sorority), or dated TA's just to get tests, or hang out with other cheaters (I scratch your back, you scratch mine). There was nothing she wasn't willing to do to get ahead. I talked to her and pleaded with her, and she wouldn't listen. Eventually, I broke up with her because she had "issues" (i.e. shoplifiting on dates, asking me to take part in her schemes, etc). She had what I called the "refugee mentality"...do whatever it takes to "make it", including hurting others. She didn't see anything wrong with what she was doing.
So it isn't impossible to cheat in upper division classes, its quite the opposite. She may not be cheating in pharmacy school (I haven't talked to her since she moved to pharmacy school) anymore, but she doesn't deserve to be in any grad. program, but if you ask her, she would probably say "why do I care what other think, I'm in pharmacy school and their not."
I'm not bitter because it took me longer to get into pharm. school the legit way, I'm bitter because in hindsight many of my friends who would love to be in her shoes, but couldn't because their grades were borderline (and wouldn't cheat even if offered). I'm bitter because there are actually people like her out there, and karma hasn't, and probably will never catch up with them. I'm bitter because their is a great possibililty that she will graduate and become a pharmacist with very questionable moral and ethical values. So now you guys know why I personally hate cheaters.
P.S. Many people who know her want to rat her out, many hoped she would get burned just like how she burned others, but just like me, we thought the system would catch up with her, or think the next person will rat her out. Apparently, it hasn't because nobody ever wants to get involved.
Ah, but I don't drink. Besides, doesn't everyone carry protection?
who do you guys think you are, a police force of somekind? you're never going to stop people from cheating or trying to gain an unfair advantage, it's just part of life. just do your thing and be proud of your hard, fair efforts and don't waste your time and energy thinking about all the liars and cheaters.
your story sounds pretty contrived, not saying that you're prevaricating, but it definitely seems that you are exaggerating quite a lot! listen, no one even pretends to think that the system is perfect, after all, it's designed by humans, how can it be? sure, there are extreme cases here and there, surely people fall through the cracks, cheat the system and get far in life, but for the most part the system WORKS and it's not up to us to enforce it.
who do you guys think you are, a police force of somekind? you're never going to stop people from cheating or trying to gain an unfair advantage, it's just part of life. just do your thing and be proud of your hard, fair efforts and don't waste your time and energy thinking about all the liars and cheaters.
At first, this thread was kind of fun to read, but now it's just a bunch of
At first, this thread was kind of fun to read, but now it's just a bunch of
Where I come from life is completely different ,the entire educational system is corrupt in it's core and whether you cheat or not has little to do with your actual grades.You can ace and exam completely and still fail it unless you pay the professor to pass it. You have to bribe people right and left if you want top have good grades and it doesn't matter if you study like a slave or if you cheat. Passing an exam depends on how much money you have.
You're in professional school, or a prospective professional school student. I don't expect an individual to act anything but professional. If someone acts inappropriately by cheating, that's not only a disrespect to the school, but the professional as a whole. As heath care students, we're suppose to be the people that others trust with their lives. Don't you think that it is our responsibility to maintain that respect?
There has been countless instances where doctors or pharmacists have been abusing their powers and making money illegally by selling them into the black market. I'm inclined to think that someone who cheated their way through school is more likely to be one of these people.
But I find it weird how you're putting the blame on the person who is doing the right thing and making them out as the bad guy.
It's like when you walk down the street and see a guy beating his wife. Do you report it or mind your own business?
I am borderline disgusted by your response.
"Doing the right thing", "I am supposed to" , "Its illegal not to " Whatever makes you happy man. Just don't expect any kind of trust/friendship from anyone around you as long as you live.
PS I have a friend who recently found out destiny of his lost uncle. So he was arrested in Siberia in 1939 and 3 months later he was executed in Kamchatka ( that's Siberia for Siberians ). In the paragraph " Accusation handled" he found "no accusation ".
I am sure someone did the right thing, as he was supposed to, in his case too. Remember , the road to hell is paved with most noble intentions.
That's a bunch of snitcher's excuses, professional school, healthcare students, doctors ets. You may start with turning in your felow students, then you''ll call police about a homeless guy drinking bear in the park , you'll call IRS to check whether your cousen reported that $2000 ring she got from a grandma, you'll call about your neighbours having chickens in their backyard, ets, ets, ets. There are weak people who are forced to be snitches, but its almost never the case since there is always 'a volontier".