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powerbooki

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Hi All, can any one tell me what are exactly residency and fellowship? To be specific, what do you do/learn in a residency and in a fellowship respectively? Let's say a person wants to be a cardiac surgeon, with specific skills to do transplant, mitral valve replacement, and coronary bypass. What is then the route for residency and fellowship(if needed)? Just curious, these questions have been unanswered in my mind for too long.
 
Residency is training that you undergo after completion of medical school. While medical school teaches the foundations of medicine and exposes you briefly to the different specialties, residency is spent learning the skill set particular to a given specialty. As a resident you you are already a docotr (MD) and thus take care of patients, however you do this under the supervision of more senior residnets and attendings (those who have already finished residency). Some residencies available upon graduation from med school include: Anesthesiology, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, Surgery, Ob/Gyn, Radiology, Psychology, Orthopedic Surgery, Neurological Surgery, Urology, Otolaryngology, Ophthalmology, Dermatology, Plastic Surgery, Neurology, Physical Medicine and Rehab, etc.

Fellowship is training you undergo upon completion of residency if you want to sub-specialize in a field. A fellow is somewhere in between a resident and an attending in terms of their knowledge, skills and responcibility. So after completing a General Surgery residency one may choose to do a fellowship in fields such as Pediatric Surgery, Cardiothoracic Surgery, Transplants, Colorectal, Minimaly invasive, Trauma, etc. After completing an Internal Medicine residency one may choose to do a fellowship in fields such as Cardiology, Gastroenterology, Infectious Disease, Pulmonology, Endocrinology, etc.

So if you wanted to be a cardiac surgeron you would have to complete medical school, then complete a general surgery residency, then complete a cardio-thoracic fellowship. After having done that you can choose (depending on where you practice) to do mostly mitral valve replacements or mostly CABG. That part gets a little more tricky b/c it depends on the place where you work, the other surgeons there, the patient population, and many other factors. You are qualified to do any and all of those procedures, however, after completing your CT fellowship.
 
Thanks a lot for taking the time to write such a detailed explanation. Sorry but I can't help asking another one and this will be it, if you don't mind.

Why the cardiac surgery route is (general surgery)-->(fellowship that specializes in cardiac/thoracic surgeries) but for neurological and orthopedic surgeries, there are residency programs directly after med school? Is part of these residenies used to cover general surgeries? Are there fellowships after these two residencies (which already seem to be specialized)?
 
try the search function in these forums or try using google to find your answer
 
powerbooki said:
Thanks a lot for taking the time to write such a detailed explanation. Sorry but I can't help asking another one and this will be it, if you don't mind.

Why the cardiac surgery route is (general surgery)-->(fellowship that specializes in cardiac/thoracic surgeries) but for neurological and orthopedic surgeries, there are residency programs directly after med school? Is part of these residenies used to cover general surgeries? Are there fellowships after these two residencies (which already seem to be specialized)?

Orthopedics and Neurosurgery are separate residencies (as opposed to being a fellowship after general surgery) becuase the national organizations of orthopedic surgeons and neurological surgeons decided that their field was different enough from general surgery to warrant its own residency. These organizations also felt that it was not necessary for their members to complete 5 years of training in general surgery. That being said, both ortho and neurosurgeons still do a year of general surgery (1st year) as part of their training. (Read the posts about differences between categorical and preliminary designated spots for more info). Another example of when an organization decided that it was different enough to warrant its own residency is Neurology (why isn't neurology a fellowship after internal medicine as is Cardiology or Endocrinology?) The national organization fo each specilty decides the requirements for certification in their field so they decide whether those requirements can be met in another residency or if they warrant a residency of their own. There has been some talk from the national cardiothoracic surgery organization to make it a separate residency.

In response to your last question - yes, there are fellowships after neuro surg and orth. Neurosurgeons can go on to specialize in spine, peds, tumors, endovascular, etc. Orthopods can go on to do fellwoships in joints, spine, peds, hand, foot, trauma, sports med, etc.
 
AlexRusso,

I am really glad these long time questions in my mind finally got answered. Thanks again and I really appreciate your taking the time to provide such thorough explanations. Good luck to your medical career.
 
AlexRusso said:
Residency is training that you undergo after completion of medical school. While medical school teaches the foundations of medicine and exposes you briefly to the different specialties, residency is spent learning the skill set particular to a given specialty. As a resident you you are already a docotr (MD) and thus take care of patients, however you do this under the supervision of more senior residnets and attendings (those who have already finished residency). Some residencies available upon graduation from med school include: Anesthesiology, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, Surgery, Ob/Gyn, Radiology, Psychology, Orthopedic Surgery, Neurological Surgery, Urology, Otolaryngology, Ophthalmology, Dermatology, Plastic Surgery, Neurology, Physical Medicine and Rehab, etc.

Fellowship is training you undergo upon completion of residency if you want to sub-specialize in a field. A fellow is somewhere in between a resident and an attending in terms of their knowledge, skills and responcibility. So after completing a General Surgery residency one may choose to do a fellowship in fields such as Pediatric Surgery, Cardiothoracic Surgery, Transplants, Colorectal, Minimaly invasive, Trauma, etc. After completing an Internal Medicine residency one may choose to do a fellowship in fields such as Cardiology, Gastroenterology, Infectious Disease, Pulmonology, Endocrinology, etc.

So if you wanted to be a cardiac surgeron you would have to complete medical school, then complete a general surgery residency, then complete a cardio-thoracic fellowship. After having done that you can choose (depending on where you practice) to do mostly mitral valve replacements or mostly CABG. That part gets a little more tricky b/c it depends on the place where you work, the other surgeons there, the patient population, and many other factors. You are qualified to do any and all of those procedures, however, after completing your CT fellowship.


heh

whats a MD ?? i thought the only doctors were DO's ?
 
DOs are doctors ??????


😉
 
cooldreams said:
heh

whats a MD ?? i thought the only doctors were DO's ?


I guess I oppened up a can of worms with that comment. Sorry to all the DO's out there. I typed up that response rather quickly and did not realize that my language implied that the only type of doctor was an MD. I've actually worked with several very capable and bright DO's and have absolutely no doubts about their abilities. Once again I appologize if that comment offended anyone.
 
AlexRusso said:
I guess I oppened up a can of worms with that comment. Sorry to all the DO's out there. I typed up that response rather quickly and did not realize that my language implied that the only type of doctor was an MD. I've actually worked with several very capable and bright DO's and have absolutely no doubts about their abilities. Once again I appologize if that comment offended anyone.

YOU HAVE VIOLATED AN UNSPOKEN RULE OF MEDICAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. HOW DARE YOU!!

I'm offended. You are hereby sentenced to sensitivity training.
 
AlexRusso,

This is a wonderful post.

Thanks for taking the time.
 
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