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If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?
 
If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?
Yes with maybe 3 EM shifts a month just to keep that skillset
 
I doubt it. You're basically a glorified PA. I never liked the OR and doubt I'd want to stand in that freezing box hunched over for long plastics cases being a first assist bitch for a surgeon. Nor would I want to deal with post op complications and I hate the cosmetic obsessed crowd with their ridiculous expectations. I'd rather deal with homeless drug addicts all night. Then you've got to realize that you're getting paid for a full time position that essentially you could earn working about 6 EM shifts a month. Wouldn't you rather work 6 shifts and have 24 days off? All that being said, it's a very personal question.
 
If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?
If I had to choose between that and back to the pit it would depend on hours, call, and (by far most important) the surgeon/group.

I would choose my current life over either.

Palliative was a good fit.

Re: 6 shift comment.

6 Ed shifts will probably be mostly evening/nights, even if only half it’s comparable to 9 day shifts easily, and will include weekends which that pa job probably does not. The other job will also probably have vacation, and most months will average out close to 17-18 days of day shift if it’s an outpt job.

Most importantly, the stress level of those 17-18 days vs the stress of the 6 days will be almost nil, and the days that guy/gal works will be in concert with when kids are in school, family is working etc.
 
200k a year is very low pay.. to me it comes down to the money vs the life you want. Truthfully you can find stupid easy 24s asking $200/hr.. we will round and call that 5k a shift.. thats 40 shifts a year to get to 200k.. 50 to get to 250k..

Thats around 4 shifts a month.. or 1 24 per week.. yeah.. im taking that over being some surgeons bitch..

A bunch of those 24s you see 10-12 low acuity patients a shift.
 
If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?

I would be bored out of my mind. Frankly I'm surprised that a plastic surgeon would pay 250K to another person to the stuff above, and I'm surprised a doctor would ever want to take a position like that which appears so diminutive.

But money talks.
 
I would be bored out of my mind. Frankly I'm surprised that a plastic surgeon would pay 250K to another person to the stuff above, and I'm surprised a doctor would ever want to take a position like that which appears so diminutive.

But money talks.

There are reproductive endocrinologists who are actively hiring OBGYN s to do hysteroscopy, egg retrieval etc. Low paying stuff so they can generate more revenue.

The REI will pull in a million plus and pay the GYN $200k or do.
 
There are reproductive endocrinologists who are actively hiring OBGYN s to do hysteroscopy, egg retrieval etc. Low paying stuff so they can generate more revenue.

The REI will pull in a million plus and pay the GYN $200k or do.

All the more evidence that our health care system is F'ed up.
 
200k a year is very low pay.. to me it comes down to the money vs the life you want. Truthfully you can find stupid easy 24s asking $200/hr.. we will round and call that 5k a shift.. thats 40 shifts a year to get to 200k.. 50 to get to 250k..

Thats around 4 shifts a month.. or 1 24 per week.. yeah.. im taking that over being some surgeons bitch..

A bunch of those 24s you see 10-12 low acuity patients a shift.

I always found the idea of being locked in one place for 24 hrs pretty ****ty. Accepted it in residency because I was pretty much in the hospital majority of the time anyway, just got rid of the veneer of freedom.

If they’re truly easy 24s with sleeping through most of overnight, I agree that’s probably a better deal for me, though I would wonder what the backup for ob/sick kid transfer process/true disaster transfer looked like.

if you look at hours, you’re working 96-120hrs/month in the above scenario, vs likely 150-180 as a surgeon henchman. Half of the 96-120 are overnights, and none of the henchman’s hours are.

The henchman may eventually graduate from a redshirt mook to a villainous overseer and open their own cosmetic practice if they want to, given they are an md and acquiring the skills. This is probably the most ethical way I can think of to learn how to do plastics stuff as a non plastic guy.

Everyone is someone’s bitch. If the surgeon is a buddy doesn’t seem like the worst thing that could happen.

I would be bored out of my mind. Frankly I'm surprised that a plastic surgeon would pay 250K to another person to the stuff above, and I'm surprised a doctor would ever want to take a position like that which appears so diminutive

I wouldn’t want to do it, but I would probably rather do it than urgent care
 
If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?
Would there be the chance that enough skills are learned to lead to an independent practice in cosmetics?
 
If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?
I would not take a 50% pay cut to do something that I would likely enjoy less than my current work.
 
I always found the idea of being locked in one place for 24 hrs pretty ****ty. Accepted it in residency because I was pretty much in the hospital majority of the time anyway, just got rid of the veneer of freedom.

If they’re truly easy 24s with sleeping through most of overnight, I agree that’s probably a better deal for me, though I would wonder what the backup for ob/sick kid transfer process/true disaster transfer looked like.

if you look at hours, you’re working 96-120hrs/month in the above scenario, vs likely 150-180 as a surgeon henchman. Half of the 96-120 are overnights, and none of the henchman’s hours are.

The henchman may eventually graduate from a redshirt mook to a villainous overseer and open their own cosmetic practice if they want to, given they are an md and acquiring the skills. This is probably the most ethical way I can think of to learn how to do plastics stuff as a non plastic guy.

Everyone is someone’s bitch. If the surgeon is a buddy doesn’t seem like the worst thing that could happen.

I would be bored out of my mind. Frankly I'm surprised that a plastic surgeon would pay 250K to another person to the stuff above, and I'm surprised a doctor would ever want to take a position like that which appears so diminutive

I wouldn’t want to do it, but I would probably rather do it than urgent care
I work some 24s to fill in. I’ll simply say it is boring. You can get a ton of stuff done. It’s not my favorite cause the pay isnt ideal for me. When you are seeing 8-12 patients per 24 there is a ton of sleep to be had. If you work 4 days a month you have 26 or 27 days off most months.

Being a surgeons B is likely at least 40 hours a week. It’s also about the difficulty of those hours. Standing and retracting in the OR and doing clinic for post op patients sounds miserable. Those patients are properly and expectedly high maintenance humans. Hard pass. I’ll work the ED. It’s fairly straightforward at this point in my career. I also cant imagine going to med school to function as a mid level.
 
There are reproductive endocrinologists who are actively hiring OBGYN s to do hysteroscopy, egg retrieval etc. Low paying stuff so they can generate more revenue.

The REI will pull in a million plus and pay the GYN $200k or do.
My father-in-law is an OBGYN who is getting up there in years. He sold his practice to another OBGYN but didn't want to retire yet, so he works 4 days/week purely in the office. No call, no OR time. Makes decent money for that amount and type of work and gets to keep working while funneling more patients who need surgery to the younger guys. It's to his mind a huge win-win for everyone involved.
 
I always internally roll my eyes at people that say "rural, slow". That was DEFINITELY not my experience. Rural people also have trauma and MIs. And, people that would never reasonably go to the ED do actually do so at 4am. And, you NEVER know what you're going to get.
 
REI is actually a purely cash based business in a majority of the United States. They make that much because people are willing to pay out of pocket.

Then I have absolutely no problem with that...except it just draws more doctors away from the general public.

Tried getting a child psychiatrist for my kid and in the Bay Area they are all 100% cash pay and charge between $400-600/hr.

We need more doctors. Not effing PAs or NPs though - actual doctors.
 
I always internally roll my eyes at people that say "rural, slow". That was DEFINITELY not my experience. Rural people also have trauma and MIs. And, people that would never reasonably go to the ED do actually do so at 4am. And, you NEVER know what you're going to get.
100%. I remember taking a moonlighting gig out of state in residency and picked a rural single coverage ED in the middle of nowhere thinking it would be slow and easy. I can't count the "oh sh**" pucker moments while working that ED my last 2 years. Much respect for those places. Definitely where the cowboys live.
 
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If you had an opportunity to work with a physician(plastics) in essentially the role of a PA; would you do it? It's bascially first assist, post-op followup, fillers, botox, skin care, and possible call would you do it if the salary was around 200k-250k? How would liability work for this type of situation? It would get out of the ER and be more of a cush life. Thoughts? The good, the bad, and the ugly?
I would never do it. Just not my thing. I know a doc who finished her internship, never finished a residency, and is doing exactly that for an ENT who has a mostly cosmetics practice. Works for her. We had to create a special set of credentials for her as she wasn't a midlevel but she also couldn't qualify for ENT credentials. Dug some old GP credentials out of the filing cabinet I think. Only issue was how she introduced herself when rounding on patients in hospital. Introduced herself as Doc X from ENT. Which bothered some people on the medical staff.
 
I always internally roll my eyes at people that say "rural, slow". That was DEFINITELY not my experience. Rural people also have trauma and MIs. And, people that would never reasonably go to the ED do actually do so at 4am. And, you NEVER know what you're going to get.
I do some rural. I don't always sleep but I do thinks its fun. I get to do everything. Don't forget standard of care is based on what can be done at your facility not based on what can be done at the medical school 150 miles away. Plus I figure they might be better off with me as their doctor than some of their alternatives.
 
The bad is I did EM because I hate clinic and the OR. I'd much rather drop down to the minimum in the ED and earn more than that than work a set schedule at this point.
 
I do some rural. I don't always sleep but I do thinks its fun. I get to do everything. Don't forget standard of care is based on what can be done at your facility not based on what can be done at the medical school 150 miles away. Plus I figure they might be better off with me as their doctor than some of their alternatives.
Standard of Care is based on whatever a plaintiff's attorney can convince a jury of your "peers" is standard of care
 
Standard of Care is based on whatever a plaintiff's attorney can convince a jury of your "peers" is standard of care
Which is why the vast majority of malpractice suits are in favor of the physician…. It is pretty hard for them to prove it was violated, if after whatever their ridiculous expert witness says, the defense, expert witness can often be much more convincing
 
Which is why the vast majority of malpractice suits are in favor of the physician…. It is pretty hard for them to prove it was violated, if after whatever their ridiculous expert witness says, the defense, expert witness can often be much more convincing
The vast majority of malpractice suits settle out of court. The ones that make it to court are the ones plaintiffs have a hope shot for winning or go after big judgements.
 
The vast majority of malpractice suits settle out of court. The ones that make it to court are the ones plaintiffs have a hope shot for winning or go after big judgements.
The counter view regarding claims that make it to court is that they are even more frivolous because the malpractice carriers appropriately believe that the suit is meritless and completely worth fighting. The fact that most physician defendants win at trial proves this correct.
 
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