Small Animal Internal Medicine Salary?

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OtterMayhem

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Hello!

I know veterinarians out of vet school usually make 65k-70k. After a residency in small animal internal medicine, how much does that increase your salary? You're still working in a private practice, correct? Also, what is the salary for after a residency in small animal surgery? Money doesn't matter to me all that much, I'm going for what I have a passion for but I am curious of the pay difference. Thanks!

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The salary for vets right out of school is a bit lower than what you stated above.

The salary of a boarded specialist depends on whether they are in private practice, academia, etc. I can tell you that in academia (i.e. clinicians at vet schools), boarded specialists make between 80-100k as new hires or junior faculty in most places unless it is a high COL area. More senior clinicians can hit 120+ depending on specialty and caseload. Private practice, I don't know.
 
I think it really depends on location and practice type too. I was grossly underpaid at my first job out of school at 70k, and 6 months out, I got a new job that is going to have me at at least 100k as a general practitioner (and that is if I AVERAGE my LEAST productive month in the past 6 months). Pretty sure the internists in my area are paid well above what I get paid.
 
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It depends on where you're at, but for my region $65-72k/yr for a small animal GP would be a very typical starting salary.

You are right, in some areas, 70k+ is reasonable. But 60-65k is a bit more accurate for everyone on the whole (excluding internship and residency salaries) based on what I've read. I did say "a bit" 😉 sheesh.
 
You are right, in some areas, 70k+ is reasonable. But 60-65k is a bit more accurate for everyone on the whole (excluding internship and residency salaries) based on what I've read. I did say "a bit" 😉 sheesh.

Sorry. Wasn't trying to squabble/nitpick. Just that I didn't think 68-72k was out of line for SA GP. Soz!
 
I might also be biased because I've spent most of my life in smaller places where a 70k salary right out of school for a new vet would be like whoa.
I think the last I looked the national average for private practice in small animal exclusive was 69-70k for a new grad (not counting internship/residency peeps). Though I'm sure it's somewhat skewed due to survey bias. 1700 surveys answered out of like >2600 graduates. So I would imagine that those who didn't answer as a whole averages a lower salary, whether they just didn't answer, didn't have a job, or did not have full time employment.

https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/S...esearch-statistics-First-year-employment.aspx
 
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Exotic is low. Unless you work in a referral center. Zoo vets make very little.

What do you know about these referral centers? How about private practice that is facilitated through working with exotic animals on game ranches in south Texas? (that is a bit specific, I know) Being a zoo vet sure does sound enticing...
 
I believe the industry average for a salary is about 20-22% of what you can generate in revenue. If in a hospital appointments are scheduled for 30 minutes each (many places do appts in 15 or 20 minutes) and the average transaction is $250.00, then do the math. 8 SCHEDULED hours of seeing appointments per day at 30 minutes at $250 is $1,000,000 of yearly revenue which would be amazing. You'd gross $200,000 yearly but you'd blow up and burn out fairly quickly as there is no time in the 8 hours to answer client questions, write emails interpreting bloodwork and how it applies to a specific case, answer Mrs. so and so's call regard her evil mini-pin and the neurotic worrying cat client that calls every two days and worries about every little side effect about meds her cat is taking which she read in the Merck Veterinary Manual.

So really about $500,000 in total revenue is sustainable and even that is hard work.

And just remember you are supporting 1 -2 technicians/assistants and a receptionist which enable you to do your job
And that building you are working and the utilities
And the 7.65% that the employee pays for Social Security and Medicare (in addition to the 7.65% that you pay as well)
And the thousands paid for workers compensation insurance (which increase as payroll increase)
And the 1000s paid for business liability insurance, not to mentions the owners PLIT (and your is part of your contract)
And to maintain everything inside your lease space (commercial landlords almost never pay to maintain anything but the shell of the building they lease to your employer.
And the support contracts for the computers and software
And the reference lab or blood machines
And, And And.

So yes, everything cost money and sadly clients must pay.
The best answer for a client who things all you care about it their money: "I'd tell you the same things, if everything were free."
How to establish trust with the client is a whole other story....
 
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Even lower than SA GP, and difficult to find a job. I think equine vets are the lowest paying (and probably the most work, too). Maybe @shortnsweet has some actual numbers.

Umm well interns make like 20-25k, residents make like 25-35k, GPs make somewhere between 40-80k , ACVIM boarding might get you up to 80-120k? But more and more of us have to go into GP work, so are underpaid for our certification level. Surgeons may make more.
 
I would hope acvim boarding would earn you more... I earn closer to the higher end of that and I'm a GP just a year out of school in a middle cost of living area (of course location matters, but that would be low range I think)
 
I would hope acvim boarding would earn you more... I earn closer to the higher end of that and I'm a GP just a year out of school in a middle cost of living area (of course location matters, but that would be low range I think)

In large animal?
 
Ohhhh nm then. Do they really get that little? **** you'd think with how expensive a single colic can be in the hospital, they'd produce more

Yeah you would think that. Heck I had a colitis that was 10k. But no...worse hours, worse pay. Boy jokes about dating a doctor because i'll be the money maker...hahaha nope.
 
Are they not paid on production?

At the referral places that I've worked at, nope. They do get the walk-in emergency fee at this one place, but that ends up being quite little. I'm interested in what SnS has seen.

Talking to doctors about the worse hours and worse pay has pushed me into a 180 about face from die-hard equine to SA.
 
At the referral places that I've worked at, nope. They do get the walk-in emergency fee at this one place, but that ends up being quite little. I'm interested in what SnS has seen.

Talking to doctors about the worse hours and worse pay has pushed me into a 180 about face from die-hard equine to SA.

Well...i've only worked in academia, so no, it's not production. Last year I got $25 per emergency in clinic out of hours, but not this year.

Some days I wonder why I do what I'm doing, but I just can't imagine doing anything else, and I don't like cats.
 
Well...i've only worked in academia, so no, it's not production. Last year I got $25 per emergency in clinic out of hours, but not this year.

Some days I wonder why I do what I'm doing, but I just can't imagine doing anything else, and I don't like cats.
Aw we can work in a clinic together and I'll see all the cats you don't want to see
 
Aw we can work in a clinic together and I'll see all the cats you don't want to see

From now on I'm referring all my cats to you. Don't care if you are five states away. Hope you like eyeballs because its been a run of weird cat eyeballs lately!

Feel free to send any dairy cows down to the mid-atlantic for their care. 🙂
 
From now on I'm referring all my cats to you. Don't care if you are five states away. Hope you like eyeballs because its been a run of weird cat eyeballs lately!

Feel free to send any dairy cows down to the mid-atlantic for their care. 🙂
Haha... I don't think there are enough dairy cows for more than like one cow vet in the area
 
From now on I'm referring all my cats to you. Don't care if you are five states away. Hope you like eyeballs because its been a run of weird cat eyeballs lately!

Feel free to send any dairy cows down to the mid-atlantic for their care. 🙂

Oh god....my two least favorite subjects all in one. :barf:
 
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