Snitching in dental school

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I'm the kind of guy to stay low, mind my own business and focus on my game plan post-graduation. I rarely interact with faculty and choose carefully which classmates to hang out with. It's been smooth sailing and I've been getting through dental school with flying colors.

There's been 2 instances of ratting/snitching/tattle-telling at the current school that I attend. Two of my classmates (who I rarely interact with due to their lack of maturity) have already been put in probation for saying inappropriate things regarding male and female anatomy. One classmate has been ostracized for idiotically mentioning a "test bank" to faculty.

It tends to be that the "straightedge" students who are intending to specialize are the ones ratting out their own classmates, along with kissing butt of faculty members for letters of rec. Of course, whistle-blowing is a healthy part of keeping us dental professionals in line, but seriously, what triggers twenty-somethings to regress to their 5-year old days in kindergarten where tattle-telling was rewarded with candy and extra free time?

Have you guys have had any incidents where unscrupulous classmates act as vigilantes when it comes to grey-area behaviour? Do you think it's simply better when people just mind their own business and get through dental school with the least amount of conflict? Open to a healthy discussion.
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redhotchiligochu said:
I'm the kind of guy to stay low, mind my own business and focus on my game plan post-graduation. I rarely interact with faculty and choose carefully which classmates to hang out with. It's been smooth sailing and I've been getting through dental school with flying colors.

There's been 2 instances of ratting/snitching/tattle-telling at the current school that I attend. Two of my classmates (who I rarely interact with due to their lack of maturity) have already been put in probation for saying inappropriate things regarding male and female anatomy over a hot mic. One classmate has been ostracized for idiotically mentioning a "test bank" to faculty.

It tends to be that the "straightedge" students who are intending to specialize are the ones ratting out their own classmates, along with kissing butt of faculty members for letters of rec. Of course, whistle-blowing is a healthy part of keeping us dental professionals in line, but seriously, what triggers twenty-somethings to regress to their 5-year old days in kindergarten where tattle-telling was rewarded with candy and extra free time?

Have you guys have had any incidents where unscrupulous classmates act as vigilantes when it comes to grey-area behaviour? Do you think it's simply better when people just mind their own business and get through dental school with the least amount of conflict? Open to a healthy discussion.
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Fly low, and stay low. In rare moments, exude confidence, speed, and knowledge to your colleagues through any chances you might have at public speaking, and you will develop a positive bias during your whole dental school career. That makes it easier to get more extensive cases from faculty, more trust from faculty, and less hindrances in your progression. The rest of the time, just stay under the radar but at least when you have to get out of a bind, you have that positive reputation. That is how you can become immune to scandal in dental school.

For who to trust? Develop a small group of trusted individuals. The reality of dental school is that people will tend to gravitate towards race and religion. There were many groups based on race, religion, and frats, and they all had their own test banks, memorized questions, and material that gave them an advantage. That is the unfortunate reality of many dental schools, and it may be un-PC, but you need to learn how to befriend at least one member from each group and get their materials. How did I befriend them? I offered them something they didn't know they needed. Namely, I showed them that I am not a snitch, and that I'm going to save their butt. The early materials had extensive metadata that linked groups to certain documents. I made each group aware of them, and taught them how to get rid of them.

I will warn you though, the group you should not trust are the religiously affiliated groups in your class. Most of the time, there's only one. They are the ones that will most likely throw you and your class under the bus under the guise of doing the right thing. Interestingly enough, they have their own contraband. The individuals that you should not trust are the self-righteous individuals that don't see the bigger picture of group survival in dental school.

Let them destroy each other. The faster your can make your class self-aware of its survival, the easier the 4 years will go by, and the more isolated the snitches will become. A class meeting is a great way to divide and isolate the potential snitches by bringing up an ethical issue and having a class discussion (w/ no faculty present). I remember addressing people in a class meeting that we needed to stop pissing off faculty and stop making faculty aware of what the class had. From that, we were able to find out who had explicit ethical objections and who the snitches were/would be.

Every class dynamic is different. I got lucky. YMMV.
 
Big Hoss can’t stand cheaters! It’s not good for the profession or our patients. I reported a couple big instances of cheating by classmates. Sadly, nothing much was done about it. As far as reporting assanine, petty comments made by others, I didn’t bother. These people just lost my respect. Does this make me a snitch? No, it makes me the sheriff!


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I generally support the fly under the radar approach. Here are 3 points to consider...

1) Be aware, the faculty, the staff and the administration at your school has their own set of intrigues, in fighting and social structure. The individual you "snitch" to may or may not be worthy of your effort.
2) It has been my observation that the greasy types that seem to be making short gains now will get it in the neck later. (Usually at there own hand!) You may not be around to witness it but it will happen.
3) However if they are cheating you personally, all caution should go by the wayside. Deal with it right here, right now as publicly as possible!
 
TanMan said:
Does anyone see the irony in this thread? What I said just now, causes people to stand up and out themselves.
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Outing myself as someone with a moral compass? Guilty, I guess. I just hope you’re more honest with your patients than your previous post would suggest, and that you’re not one of those shady dentists that recommends a crown when a simple two surface composite will more than do.

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There's a difference in using your moral compass to justify screwing everyone else over v. screwing patients over. In the context of dental practice, I wouldn't suggest treatment unless my intraoral photos or radiographs can justify my recommended treatment. However, those that are willing to screw their fellow students and future colleagues over in dental school are the ones that are most likely to talk crap about their fellow dentists even if they don't have all the necessary information to pass judgement. I would never throw my colleagues under the bus and that's where I see dentistry heading unfortunately. If a patient asked me if it's the other dentist's fault, I'm not going to take the easy route and say yes. I'll tell them what I see, and tell them what I see is a snapshot in time, unless I can see previous radiographs, I can't give a definitive answer, then I can tell the patient how we can fix it.
 
It’s the minority of individuals that cheat that are screwing over the majority of people in the class that are putting honest work into their education. If I see that you have a bunch of stolen exams, am I supposed to just turn a blind eye? Am I supposed to be ok with you getting the same grade as me when I’ve memorized hundreds of pharmacology flash cards while you just memorized the 80 answers on the exam? Yeah, that’s not gonna happen! And why on earth would I believe that someone that feels it’s ok to cheat on an operative dentistry exam won’t cheat a patient needing operative dental work? Long and short, if you can’t be an ethical dental professional from start to finish, seek another profession. I don’t need you bringing a bad name to my career.

Big Hoss
 
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Big Time Hoosier said:
It’s the minority of individuals that cheat that are screwing over the majority of people in the class that are putting honest work into their education. If I see that you have a bunch of stolen exams, am I supposed to just turn a blind eye? Am I supposed to be ok with you getting the same grade as me when I’ve memorized hundreds of pharmacology flash cards while you just memorized the 80 answers on the exam? Yeah, that’s not gonna happen! And why on earth would I believe that someone that feels it’s ok to cheat on an operative dentistry exam won’t cheat a patient needing operative dental work? Long and short, if you can’t be an ethical dental professional from start to finish, seek another profession. I don’t need you bringing a bad name to my career.

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Saying that one who finds exams on their own and will cheat falls under a logical post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Causation does not mean correlation. A student who finds exams and guns can be a super reliable honorable dentist while someone who studies hard could be a scamming dentist. You are assuming a just world hypothesis, a cognitive bias that protects your ego through your perceived morals, which is natural and healthy, but incorrect. The good and hard working are not always rewarded and the scamming dentists can get ahead. Realizing the gray color can help you expand on your eventual goals.
 
Garett24 said:
Saying that one who finds exams on their own and will cheat falls under a logical post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. Causation does not mean correlation. A student who finds exams and guns can be a super reliable honorable dentist while someone who studies hard could be a scamming dentist. You are assuming a just world hypothesis, a cognitive bias that protects your ego through your perceived morals, which is natural and healthy, but incorrect. The good and hard working are not always rewarded and the scamming dentists can get ahead. Realizing the gray color can help you expand on your eventual goals.
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We’ve got a philosophy major here! How do you just “find” unreleased test material? By its very nature it’s illicitly acquired. You must seek it out, it’s not just going to fall from the sky and land in your lap. Of course not everyone who cheats in dental school is going to cheat their patients and vice versa. What do you take me for, an idiot? But what do you want to bet that there’s absolutely a correlation? And how is using unauthorized “study aids” a gray area? It’s very clearly a black and white issue.

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Going back to the original discussion and thinking about it a bit more, I think I see why there's a divide in how things work in dental school v. actual practice. The culture that dental school fosters is not one that's positive nor a journey you can say that's enlightening or fulfilling. Essentially, it has to do with the one sided relationship with the dental school administration. Students, remember that the administration is not on your side, and if they have their targets set on you, they'll make your life miserable or even suspend/expel you on a whim. Think about the majority of people that choose to teach. A lot of them are powertripping individuals that couldn't hack it in the real world, enjoy the academic environment, and/or a select few are those that have a passion for teaching students and passing on their knowledge to the future generation. Unfortunately, those that have a real passion for teaching students are typically part-timers that cannot protect you against the higher ups.

So... what's the point here? The faster you can see that the school and administrators are not your friends, the better your class will be off as a whole. There's bias everywhere in dental school, and if you happen to get on the bad side of the administrators, expect that you might not graduate on time, or worse, dismissal. The system is not fair, and in my class and previous classes, there's always that individual or two that gets held back. You do not want to be that person, whether you were turned in by someone, met your demise by your own hand, or by being a target of the administration. On the flip side, if you were to turn someone in, for your protection, you need to figure out whether the admins accept but turn a blind eye, or they would welcome turning your classmates in for academic infractions. If you are labeled as a troublemaker/whistleblower, you may have the same problem with the admins. Academic judicial proceeds are nothing like legal proceedings (you have very little rights); rather than going through that, you should just stay under the radar.

There's different viewpoints to this. I look at it from a pragmatic point of view to save everyone's skin.
 
I’m not sure why so many of you feel the need to push the ethical limits in order to succeed academically. It took me all of a month to figure out what it took to do so honestly.

1) Time management! Master this and the dividends are huge. Huge! This is probably what will get most people, because they’re lazy. You will have to make sacrifices.

2) Focus on the PowerPoints. Master this material and your easily 80-90% on your way to an A in the class. I can’t remember cracking a single text book.

3) Attend lectures and pay attention. The lecturers will allude to the material that is critical to learn. This will take you that last 10-20% to your precious A.

In spite of what TanMan says, your faculty and administrators aren’t out to get you. They aren’t looking for an excuse to kick you out. Why didn’t they kick out the people I reported? They’d be missing that tuition money! And as everyone knows, the almighty dollar is king. You seriously almost have to try to get dismissed. Seriously. The people in my class who were kicked out or held back absolutely sowed the seeds of their own demise. Shocker, you may be expected to study, even a little, in dental school. If you are honestly trying, but are still struggling, your school has resources to help. Again, they don’t want you to leave because along with you goes your tuition.

Big Hoss
 
Big Time Hoosier said:
We’ve got a philosophy major here! How do you just “find” unreleased test material? By its very nature it’s illicitly acquired. You must seek it out, it’s not just going to fall from the sky and land in your lap. Of course not everyone who cheats in dental school is going to cheat their patients and vice versa. What do you take me for, an idiot? But what do you want to bet that there’s absolutely a correlation? And how is using unauthorized “study aids” a gray area? It’s very clearly a black and white issue.

Big Hoss
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Not philosophy, more like Mathematics/Law. His analysis of the situation is simple and brilliant.. The logic follows. "a cognitive bias that protects your ego through your perceived morals, which is natural and healthy, but incorrect."

I think that it is wholesome that you have guiding morals and I think more people should be like you. It is great to be ethical and conscientious, BUT it is best to mind your own business. If someone takes illicit study aids to do better than they would normally, that is their business. If someone cheats on an exam that isn't related to state licensure, that is their business.

Is it important to uphold the profession to high standards? Yes. Is it honorable to take personal responsibility on behalf of the profession? Yes. However, I am of the opinion that it is best to mind your business. Why? Because not all cheaters/old exam snoops/illicit study aid takers will be unethical, immoral dentists. Again, post hoc ergo propter hoc.
 
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If someone takes illicit study aids to do better than they would normally, that is their business.
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And it becomes YOUR business when their cheating adversely affects YOUR class rank. They aren’t cheating in a vacuum.

Big Hoss
 
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With regards to kicking you out, there's two times that's profitable (or no loss) to them. 1st is anywhere between second and third year. International dentists are worth more to a program than traditional 4 yr students. They pay a lot more than your traditional student and if that means removing one, they can if they wanted to. Also, in the 4th year (although rare), once they have their money, they can get rid of you too. To say there is no financial reason is not absolutely correct, but the stories of people getting dismissed is typically around 2nd/3rd yr, coincidental with when international dentists enter as a 3rd year. Draw your own conclusions.

Second, they can definitely make your life miserable, suspend you from clinic and prevent you from finishing requirements, or adding more requirements. When you get closer to your 4th year, see how many of your classmates end up paying for their patient's treatment just to finish a requirement. No one wants to stay that extra semester or two. It's sad to see some people who are on the 5th or even 6th year of dental school. It happens, and you have to ask yourself how it happened. In many instances, it's due to the system that tends to forget about them and not assign them any patients (or changing/increasing requirements).

So... not to scare you guys, but be very careful, fly low, and be weary of those that are willing to turn you in. I wouldn't ruin someone's life because of it. Your administration will always play favorites, and the favored ones will tend to get better grades in subjectively graded subjects and tend to win awards for things that don't even have clear criterias. I don't know how many of you are still in the 1st semester honeymoon period, but it's good to put out a lot of things that are forgotten or unspoken around dental school circles. This thread has hopefully shown you the diversity of viewpoints that may exist in your dental school class, and some of them are more dangerous than others to your own academic and professional well-being. In an ideal class, the class is united in helping each other out with any materials out there (no matter the type) and everyone has the same access to the same "unfair" material.
 
TanMan said:
With regards to kicking you out, there's two times that's profitable (or no loss) to them. 1st is anywhere between second and third year. International dentists are worth more to a program than traditional 4 yr students. They pay a lot more than your traditional student and if that means removing one, they can if they wanted to. Also, in the 4th year (although rare), once they have their money, they can get rid of you too. To say there is no financial reason is not absolutely correct, but the stories of people getting dismissed is typically around 2nd/3rd yr, coincidental with when international dentists enter as a 3rd year. Draw your own conclusions.

Second, they can definitely make your life miserable, suspend you from clinic and prevent you from finishing requirements, or adding more requirements. When you get closer to your 4th year, see how many of your classmates end up paying for their patient's treatment just to finish a requirement. No one wants to stay that extra semester or two. It's sad to see some people who are on the 5th or even 6th year of dental school. It happens, and you have to ask yourself how it happened. In many instances, it's due to the system that tends to forget about them and not assign them any patients (or changing/increasing requirements).

So... not to scare you guys, but be very careful, fly low, and be weary of those that are willing to turn you in. I wouldn't ruin someone's life because of it. Your administration will always play favorites, and the favored ones will tend to get better grades in subjectively graded subjects and tend to win awards for things that don't even have clear criterias. I don't know how many of you are still in the 1st semester honeymoon period, but it's good to put out a lot of things that are forgotten or unspoken around dental school circles. This thread has hopefully shown you the diversity of viewpoints that may exist in your dental school class, and some of them are more dangerous than others to your own academic and professional well-being. In an ideal class, the class is united in helping each other out with any materials out there (no matter the type) and everyone has the same access to the same "unfair" material.
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I’m sorry that dental school made you bitter and resentful. Trust me, not everyone has an experience like yours. From my perspective, was dental school anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be? Absolutely not. You make it sound as if you were Mel Gibson walking around in a post-apocalyptic world just fighting to survive. Were there times I was stretched to my limits? Sure. Try having a kid during finals week! Faculty certainly weren’t out to get us. You’d be surprised how much many of them wanted us to succeed. I can’t tell you how many times faculty stuck around in the simlab until 10 at night helping us to get ready for a practical the next day. Did they have to? No, but they did.

So, readers of this thread, if you want to get through school the Big Hoss Way©️, simply do YOUR best. You don’t need to cheat to get ahead. (For those intent on specializing, good luck getting into residency after having been caught cheating - you likely won’t get kicked out of dental school, but you’ll have railroaded your dreams.) And, probably the biggest thing, just be kind to everyone. How hard is to treat others how you’d want to be treated? (Even all you moral relativists can probably get behind that.) You would be surprised how far kindness will get you in life. Trust me on that.

Big Hoss
 
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Beware of those flying under the radar as well. Still waters run deep, and I have experienced a resident who actually transferred from one school after two years to another, and graduated....even though he was actually expelled from the first school. He made it all the way through GPR to licensure and private practice. He was quite a stealth individual, and life caught up with him only by accident, and not of his own hands.
 
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setdoc7 said:
Beware of those flying under the radar as well. Still waters run deep, and I have experienced a resident who actually transferred from one school after two years to another, and graduated....even though he was actually expelled from the first school. He made it all the way through GPR to licensure and private practice. He was quite a stealth individual, and life caught up with him only by accident, and not of his own hands.
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So....we finally meet
 
Big Time Hoosier said:
The old ad hoc colobus polykomos argument. Well played.

Big Hoss
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Medin2017 said:
Looked that up and all I got were really strange looking monkeys
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redhotchiligochu said:
I'm the kind of guy to stay low, mind my own business and focus on my game plan post-graduation. I rarely interact with faculty and choose carefully which classmates to hang out with. It's been smooth sailing and I've been getting through dental school with flying colors.

There's been 2 instances of ratting/snitching/tattle-telling at the current school that I attend. Two of my classmates (who I rarely interact with due to their lack of maturity) have already been put in probation for saying inappropriate things regarding male and female anatomy over a hot mic. One classmate has been ostracized for idiotically mentioning a "test bank" to faculty.

It tends to be that the "straightedge" students who are intending to specialize are the ones ratting out their own classmates, along with kissing butt of faculty members for letters of rec. Of course, whistle-blowing is a healthy part of keeping us dental professionals in line, but seriously, what triggers twenty-somethings to regress to their 5-year old days in kindergarten where tattle-telling was rewarded with candy and extra free time?

Have you guys have had any incidents where unscrupulous classmates act as vigilantes when it comes to grey-area behaviour? Do you think it's simply better when people just mind their own business and get through dental school with the least amount of conflict? Open to a healthy discussion.
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I didn't realize it was T-Swift's ex (you updated your photo). That's a lot of probation for one semester. They said these bad things in anatomy lab or about an actual student/patient? There are hot mics in your dental school?
 
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So most of you sworn to help people and be all that compassionate and so on. At the same time too many are willing to stab each other in the back?
The ones, who think highly of themselves will make not even one mistake in their lifetime, expecting lenient treatment. I wonder, what stops them from being understanding to their classmates, who maybe not as good at remembering and are forced to look for alternatives?
I agree, that faculty is not your friend, but neither your classmates
 
Axiomatician said:
Not philosophy, more like Mathematics/Law. His analysis of the situation is simple and brilliant.. The logic follows. "a cognitive bias that protects your ego through your perceived morals, which is natural and healthy, but incorrect."

I think that it is wholesome that you have guiding morals and I think more people should be like you. It is great to be ethical and conscientious, BUT it is best to mind your own business. If someone takes illicit study aids to do better than they would normally, that is their business. If someone cheats on an exam that isn't related to state licensure, that is their business.

Is it important to uphold the profession to high standards? Yes. Is it honorable to take personal responsibility on behalf of the profession? Yes. However, I am of the opinion that it is best to mind your business. Why? Because not all cheaters/old exam snoops/illicit study aid takers will be unethical, immoral dentists. Again, post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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It was actually a poor analysis. While attempting to refute Big Time he created a straw-man and prescribed logical fallacies to him that he didn't actually make. I suspect that's why he claimed the fallacies instead of explaining them and how they were made. Big Time stated that those that exercise dishonesty on large commitments may do so in the future - this is entirely reasonable. Character flaws tend to be global rather than manifest in only one particular area of life like written exams.
Cheating on an exam is not just the individuals business. That's a childish and possibly self serving way to view this issue. Exams are tools designed to determine mastery and competence. Cheating undermines the utility of a test because the tools meant to ensure competency are now unreliable. Therefore, academic dishonesty may translate into incompetency or an unsafe dentist.

It is disheartening to see all of these potential dentists stand up for academic dishonesty.
 
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Didn't expect a post like this to be so decisive......:corny:
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It's team morality vs team loyalty, but I'm not sure what we're fighting about. It depends on the situation. If you saw your friend sign an attendance sheet for another friend...obviously you'd be forced to report them to the dean immediately. In less severe cases of academic dishonesty, it's a grey area.

In terms of test banks, my undergrad professors actively encouraged us to use old exams. One of my O-Chem professors even published a 300+ page book of his old exams (+ another book filled with answer keys). It was kind of shocking to find out that dental schools consider what we called studying cheating. It's a bit different when a professor reuses the same ~50 questions each year though.

It's not the test bank itself that's bad. The problem is when only a portion of the class has access to it. If you're gunning for OS, at least you'll have the last laugh (after the NBME CBSE). If you're gunning for ortho, you better make some friends.

I always laugh when people hide behind Latin. Even if your logic is correct, would an attorney use Latin in front of a jury? Would a dentist use jargon when explaining something to a patient?
 
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It's team morality vs team loyalty, but I'm not sure what we're fighting about. It depends on the situation. If you saw your friend sign an attendance sheet for another friend...obviously you'd be forced to report them to the dean immediately. In less severe cases of academic dishonesty, it's a grey area.

In terms of test banks, my undergrad professors actively encouraged us to use old exams. One of my O-Chem professors even published a 300+ page book of his old exams (+ another book filled with answer keys). It was kind of shocking to find out that dental schools consider what we called studying cheating. It's a bit different when a professor reuses the same ~50 questions each year though.

It's not the test bank itself that's bad. The problem is when only a portion of the class has access to it. If you're gunning for OS, at least you'll have the last laugh (after the NBME CBSE). If you're gunning for ortho, you better make some friends.

I always laugh when people hide behind Latin. Even if your logic is correct, would an attorney use Latin in front of a jury? Would a dentist use jargon when explaining something to a patient?
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You're right, if you're gunning for ortho, you need connections and not isolate/burn bridges. Dental school is very political and just because you think you are doing the right thing, that doesn't mean you will get your just rewards. Snitching/whistleblowing, depending on the severity (from minor all the way to the board level), can piss off the wrong people and that's the last thing you want to do in today's ortho residency competition. If you were reporting on individual students, there are some students that are considered untouchable due to their existing family connections (large donors or faculty relationships with family). If what you report is severe enough and gets broadcast outside the dental school, you are essentially destroying your school's reputation.

On test banks, the faculty are not stupid. I'm sure they are aware but turning a blind eye to them. Only when someone complains loud enough are they really required to do something about it. Most of the time, it's just changing the test, but for those that are vindictive or were unaware/offended, they can retaliate by making an extremely difficult exam to pass. Why would they turn a blind eye? Because they are busy with research or clinical practice. A lot of alumni who became faculty are well aware or have even participated in the propagation of these materials. The culture runs deep, and some schools have been burned publicly before with the extent of this culture and pay to play systems. There's lots of people who make large donations to the school or program and get in subsequently.

My point is not about the morality of your actions or anyone else. It is to understand the consequences or lack thereof, of your actions and what variables affect the consequences. The whole point is to understand the existing system as a whole and how to navigate/tread while keeping your goals in mind. If you wanted to do what you perceive is the right thing, you should find a way that could not screw you over. It's not as simple as X did this, therefore I must report. There are consequences/benefits for you and/or X. Refer back to the previous post on possible consequences.

One last thing about specialty... it's not always about you and your class rank; your competition is with all applicants from all dental schools. There's schools out there that have a near 100% match rate.
 
I saw a lot of 'soft' cheating - sharing answers for some BS quiz worth 2% type thing. I'm sure there were 'hard' cheats - going to the bathroom to review some notes 4x during an exam etc.... but as a second career student (went to first time college in '97) I was appalled, APPALLED, about the number of kids on adderall (prescribed or not), had to be >80%, it just wasn't a thing when I first went to college. So maybe thats a gray area of cheating that I'm sure feels justified like a Lance Armstrong effect - everyone felt they "had" to in order to be competitive. It was crazy on test days seeing everyone with glazed over eyes, super chatty and/or on the verge of rage lol.
 
typically the cheaters know who they are and they report anyone who they think has better grades than them. that way they move up in class rankings. not really that complicated. bunch of cowardly bullies who attack anyone who they think outranks them or poses a danger of exposing their unethical ways. would have been nice to have a sheriff like bighoss
 
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