Snitching on someone who lied on AMCAS?

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Should I snitch on someone who lied on their AMCAS?

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Hi I'm new here, and thought this would be a good place to seek help. I am currently going through a moral dilemma. 🙁

A girl I know from school already has a few acceptances. She lied on her AMCAS about some of her extra curricular activities. She completely made up her volunteering experiences, and has never volunteered at all! She brags to us about her not having to do any of those "stupid" activities. 😱

I don't think someone like this should be a doctor. Should I snitch on her so the schools can punish her accordingly?

Help!!!
 
Let it go. Stop worrying about others and focus on yourself.

Karma.
 
Let it go. Stop worrying about others and focus on yourself.

Karma.

Exactly. Karma will bite you once you're done ruining someone's life.

Volunteering isn't exactly the most important of activities. Pre-meds have turned it into nothing more than a race to see who can get the most hours. You have people abusing it left and right.

And think about it, if schools thought that volunteering was such an important issue, then it would not be on the honor system. Last time I checked, you can't just say you have a 4.0 GPA and 45T on your MCAT without it being verified.
 
If it were me, I would snitch.
 
entirely fabricating participation in activities sounds rather serious, regardless of whether or not she will be able to "learn" anything from them.

I think my application would be significantly stronger if I had simply doubled the amount of time I have spent on research, volunteer work, etc., let alone made up some activities as a whole.
 
I really don't think that you can snitch like that. What she did is completely unethical and wrong, but snitching just puts a bad taste in my mouth.
I also don't think any of those things (granted I don't know the extent of them) will make or break her application. Besides, unless she recites things or made a bunch of stuff up, she'll look like an idiot talking about it on interviews.
I would suggest telling her how much of a btch she is, though.
 
I really don't think that you can snitch like that. What she did is completely unethical and wrong, but snitching just puts a bad taste in my mouth.
I also don't think any of those things (granted I don't know the extent of them) will make or break her application. Besides, unless she recites things or made a bunch of stuff up, she'll look like an idiot talking about it on interviews.
I would suggest telling her how much of a btch she is, though.

Yes I would feel guilty about snitching. I just don't know. It's not fair to the people who actually made the huge commitment to do these activities. 😡
 
No! I know a few people who say they totally "lied" about several activities, including fudging numbers x25.

Mind your own business man, and by the way, people tend to say a lot of things. Maybe she's just one of those people who likes to exaggerate and talk like that? Then if her acceptances get rescinded, it's on your head.
 
Yes I would feel guilty about snitching. I just don't know. It's not fair to the people who actually made the huge commitment to do these activities. 😡

What? That makes no sense. How can it not be fair to the pre-meds who actually made the commitment?

Theoretically speaking, aren't all of these pre-meds supposed to do the activities because they actually want to? Now if someone wants to do it, then how can it not be fair? 🙄
 
Hi I'm new here, and thought this would be a good place to seek help. I am currently going through a moral dilemma. 🙁

A girl I know from school already has a few acceptances. She lied on her AMCAS about some of her extra curricular activities. She completely made up her volunteering experiences, and has never volunteered at all! She brags to us about her not having to do any of those "stupid" activities. 😱

I don't think someone like this should be a doctor. Should I snitch on her so the schools can punish her accordingly?

Help!!!

Just focus on your grind! Do what you think is right and laugh when Karma kicks some ass.
 
yeah as mentioned, I also don't think it's worth ruining her life over it... she'll figure it out/pay for it later through med school when and if she realizes maybe this is not what she wants to do!

lets say you did, they didn't let her in, and her life went down the drain... can you live with that dilemma?!

I sure wouldn't!
 
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." -Gandalf, Wizard, Maia, Wielder of Narya, BAMF

If schools aren't diligent enough to follow up on those activities then they are the real losers in this situation.
 
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." -Gandalf, Wizard, Maia, Wielder of Narya, BAMF

If schools aren't diligent enough to follow up on those activities then they are the real losers in this situation.

👍
 
She is probably trolling, kind of like how most pre-meds like to say LOLOL 98% and I didn't even need to study. (They stayed up all night studying) Also, nobody likes a tattletale.
 
Unfortunately your friend is probably one of many many people who do this during this process. I have also heard of people doing this for other graduate programs as well (law school etc..). I have also directly encountered people like this applying to medical school.

Yes it is offensive and yes it is not fair. But life is not fair. Unfortunately these are the types of things that you will frequently encounter through out your educational and professional career.

I think one way to look at this is that this person obviously has personal issues if they are okay with lying. Rise above it and know that you are putting your honest/best foot forward.

Like people said above--karma!
 
Kinda off topic but do you guys keep track of how exactly many hours you have? The places are volunteer at are pretty informal, and I just know how much I volunteer a week and when I've started volunteering. How do you go about reporting this on an app?
 
Kinda off topic but do you guys keep track of how exactly many hours you have? The places are volunteer at are pretty informal, and I just know how much I volunteer a week and when I've started volunteering. How do you go about reporting this on an app?

I just approximated. I did four hours weekly at the hospital, and that was it. When you do more activities, it can be more confusing. Also if some activities were not always consistent, then mention that.

Otherwise, approximate, and then you can "verify" it at interviews by knowing your stuff.
 
I guess I'm too old or something, but I don't see how you can call this snitching.

This individual has shown a great lapse in moral judgement that will likely impact the care they provide. Nobody that will so blatantly lie this time will become honest and trustworthy just because you give them an MD.

It is simple: you notify AAMC, anonymously if I were you, and then trust them to do what is required.

To clarify, OP you are not doing anything to hurt/injure/impact the future of your 'friend'. Their decision to lie was THEIRS, and part of growing up is facing the consequences of your decisions.
 
if the schools couldn't catch wind of the fact that she made up her volunteer activities during the interview then it's their fault for having crappy interviewers. you're not the AMCAS police....move on with your life.
 
Unfortunately your friend is probably one of many many people who do this during this process. I have also heard of people doing this for other graduate programs as well (law school etc..). I have also directly encountered people like this applying to medical school.

Yes it is offensive and yes it is not fair. But life is not fair. Unfortunately these are the types of things that you will frequently encounter through out your educational and professional career.

I think one way to look at this is that this person obviously has personal issues if they are okay with lying. Rise above it and know that you are putting your honest/best foot forward.

Like people said above--karma!

Yes there are people left and right that play the system. It doesn't take too long to figure out whether you want to be a doctor or not, maybe two weeks of volunteering should do it for you. Pre-meds have turned this into a numbers game, and others don't want to play.

If we actually saw a lack of volunteering or other ECs directly affecting patient care, then yes I would tattle. Also, I am sure that the admissions process would take care of this too, by requiring official verification. High schools that have a community service graduation requirement employ this method, but you can still get around it if you try hard enough.

I think you and some others blow out of proportion the importance of volunteering on the success of a physician. It's not good to lie, but it's not like the doctor is cheating in classes, MCAT, or on the boards. Also, when we look for physicians to treat us, we usually do not see their volunteer experiences listed. When is the last time you asked a doctor how many beds they cleaned as pre-meds?

It sucks that you and others are stuck putting in the hours by being honest when you do not want to do it. Some people will lie and get by, but for those that are caught, they will never become doctors. I can't say whether or not your friend will be a good doctor or not, but you can't jump to conclusions just because she played the volunteer system. Let it go. Volunteering isn't anything more than jumping through necessary hoops.
 
I guess I'm too old or something, but I don't see how you can call this snitching.

This individual has shown a great lapse in moral judgement that will likely impact the care they provide. Nobody that will so blatantly lie this time will become honest and trustworthy just because you give them an MD.

It is simple: you notify AAMC, anonymously if I were you, and then trust them to do what is required.

To clarify, OP you are not doing anything to hurt/injure/impact the future of your 'friend'. Their decision to lie was THEIRS, and part of growing up is facing the consequences of your decisions.

It is what I would do.

To the rest who turn and run to Karma, pathetic.

What she did is lie and cheat. She wasn't caught and got into schools she shouldn't have.

You guys wouldn't do anything? Laughable. Integrity and courage seem a bit lacking in SDN, but that's no surprise.
 
She is probably trolling, kind of like how most pre-meds like to say LOLOL 98% and I didn't even need to study. (They stayed up all night studying) Also, nobody likes a tattletale.
This.

I guess I'm too old or something, but I don't see how you can call this snitching.

This individual has shown a great lapse in moral judgement that will likely impact the care they provide. Nobody that will so blatantly lie this time will become honest and trustworthy just because you give them an MD.

It is simple: you notify AAMC, anonymously if I were you, and then trust them to do what is required.

To clarify, OP you are not doing anything to hurt/injure/impact the future of your 'friend'. Their decision to lie was THEIRS, and part of growing up is facing the consequences of your decisions.

I see what you're saying, and I might agree with you IF I had seen her AMCAS application and lived with her (thereby knowing that she is definitely lying). In reality, there's no way for the OP to know if it's true or not, and if she really didn't lie and OP snitches, then her life is ruined.
 
This.



I see what you're saying, and I might agree with you IF I had seen her AMCAS application and lived with her (thereby knowing that she is definitely lying). In reality, there's no way for the OP to know if it's true or not, and if she really didn't lie and OP snitches, then her life is ruined.

I expected a bit more from you Stumpy, since we tend to agree on these matters...

How is her life ruined? If she didn't lie, her AMCAS will pass the second scrutiny and she will be fine.

If she did lie and doesn't pass, she got what she deserved.
 
No, snitches get stitches.... and what good would it do for you? What are the possibilities that if the person did get kicked out of the application cycle or selected to a school, you would get that spot?
 
I expected a bit more from you Stumpy, since we tend to agree on these matters...

How is her life ruined? If she didn't lie, her AMCAS will pass the second scrutiny and she will be fine.

If she did lie and doesn't pass, she got what she deserved.

But does she deserve this?

It looks like pre-meds are getting all the blame for this. There is a consistent pattern here among pre-meds. There are many who lie about, half-ass, or embellish their experiences dramatically. You don't see all of these students getting expelled for cheating on exams though.

I think the medical school admissions process deserves some blame here.
 
OP let it go, don't be the one to ruin someones entire life. I understand she is an unethical individual but don't stoop your character to that level. There might come a time in your life where you lie maybe even unintentionally, how would you feel if that lie ruined your life because someone got bored and "snitched" you out?
 
I have a hard time believing this. If the OP's acquaintance was "lucky" enough to get away with this in the first place, WTF would possess her to brag about it? That's beyond idiotic. I'm inclined to agree with lifetake2 in this situation.
 
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In other news, the Saints 49ers game is really heating up.
 
OP let it go, don't be the one to ruin someones entire life. I understand she is an unethical individual but don't stoop your character to that level. There might come a time in your life where you lie maybe even unintentionally, how would you feel if that lie ruined your life because someone got bored and "snitched" you out?

There's a big difference between a small "unintentional" lie vs completing fabricating all of your volunteer experiences on your application.
 
I have a hard time believing this. If the OP's acquaintance were "lucky" enough to get away with this in the first place, WTF would possess her to brag about it? That's beyond idiotic. I'm inclined to agree with lifetake2 in this situation.

I can't speak for her or the OP, but my guess is that she is bragging the same way that someone who received an A from barely studying would.

Apparently the pre-med world outside of SDN might not be filled with so many altruistic people who enjoy volunteering as much as you all do. 🙄

When volunteering is seen as a pain in the @ss obstacle, I am guessing that someone would take pride boasting about how they never had to work at the hospital for four hours, while others did. It isn't any different than bragging about a good grade, such as in organic chemistry, when everyone else studied their butts off and didn't do as well.
 
I would say to let it be and leave it to the admission offices of the medical schools that she applied for. If she did indeed lie about her volunteer hours and in other areas of her background, I believe that she will get caught and be denied admission. If not now, then she'll find out the hard way in medical school that lying is only going to get you so far, both as a doctor and in life.
 
When volunteering is seen as a pain in the @ss obstacle, I am guessing that someone would take pride boasting about how they never had to work at the hospital for four hours, while others did. It isn't any different than bragging about a good grade, such as in organic chemistry, when everyone else studied their butts off and didn't do as well.

Are you kidding? There's a huge difference between those two scenarios. If you barely studied in ochem and managed to walk away with an A, you still EARNED it, whereas in this situation the benefit this applicant reaped from her fake experiences was wholly unearned. A more analogous situation would be getting an A in ochem by cheating instead of on your own merit.
 
How I see it is..this person made up stuff to get a leg over other applicants in this process. If adcoms were comparing her and another student with equal stats and both interviewed well, except that she has nicer and lengthier EC's..they would probably select her.

So if she is possibly taking the spot of someone else b/c she lied..she should have the acceptances withdrawn. With how competitive this process is and how much time and money that good intentioned, hard working people put into it, cheaters should be filtered out.

Think of it as citizens on patrol.
 
No, snitches get stitches.... and what good would it do for you? What are the possibilities that if the person did get kicked out of the application cycle or selected to a school, you would get that spot?

Perhaps, that is not the OP's intention. I have multiple acceptances and I would probably report gross lying like what the OP has described. I find it disgraceful that someone would lie like that. I don't want someone like that in practice with me down the road, so I would gladly block their access to the medical profession.

There's a big difference between a small "unintentional" lie vs completing fabricating all of your volunteer experiences on your application.

Agreed. A lot has to do with motive here. If someone simply screws up on the number of hours or interprets the instructions differently than others, that is one thing. IMO, someone so unethical as to lie about this and fabricate a large portion of his or her application AND THEN proceed to audaciously advertise his or her lie absolutely deserves what's coming....


I can't speak for her or the OP, but my guess is that she is bragging the same way that someone who received an A from barely studying would.

Apparently the pre-med world outside of SDN might not be filled with so many altruistic people who enjoy volunteering as much as you all do. 🙄

When volunteering is seen as a pain in the @ss obstacle, I am guessing that someone would take pride boasting about how they never had to work at the hospital for four hours, while others did. It isn't any different than bragging about a good grade, such as in organic chemistry, when everyone else studied their butts off and didn't do as well.

IMO, if she is so arrogant and lacking in commonsense as to brag about something she did that would be unethical -- whether actually she did it or not -- she deserves what comes to her as a result. Further, who doesn't consider the person who goes around bragging about their A in Ochem without any studying a douche? She needs to grow up. If she lacks the maturity to actually follow through on things or to do what she says she is doing/has done/will do, what makes anyone think she is ready for medicine? When there are some 22,000 applicants rejected each year by every single school, what makes you think someone this dishonest deserves to become a physician?

Are you kidding? There's a huge difference between those two scenarios. If you barely studied in ochem and managed to walk away with an A, you still EARNED it, whereas in this situation the benefit this applicant reaped from her fake experiences was wholly unearned. A more analogous situation would be getting an A in ochem by cheating instead of on your own merit.

Excellent point.


Hi I'm new here, and thought this would be a good place to seek help. I am currently going through a moral dilemma. 🙁

A girl I know from school already has a few acceptances. She lied on her AMCAS about some of her extra curricular activities. She completely made up her volunteering experiences, and has never volunteered at all! She brags to us about her not having to do any of those "stupid" activities. 😱

I don't think someone like this should be a doctor. Should I snitch on her so the schools can punish her accordingly?

Help!!!

OP, frankly, if you're too scared to report her yourself, send me her name, school of affiliation, and, if you have them, the schools to which she was accepted and I'll do it myself.
 
Are you kidding? There's a huge difference between those two scenarios. If you barely studied in ochem and managed to walk away with an A, you still EARNED it, whereas in this situation the benefit this applicant reaped from her fake experiences was wholly unearned. A more analogous situation would be getting an A in ochem by cheating instead of on your own merit.

The merit part of it is true. I think some people are still proud of cheating. If they weren't, then how would we actually know that they cheated in the first place? This is assuming they were not caught.
 
Oh come on. Med school is full of people who fake ECs, get fake LORs from their Doctor uncle/friend, etc etc.

Secondly, volunteering has about as much impact on being a good physician as the sign you were born under. Volunteering is a checkbox you have to tick off, nothing more. It's not like she was able to cheat on the MCAT or in her classes.
 
Oh come on. Med school is full of people who fake ECs, get fake LORs from their Doctor uncle/friend, etc etc.

Secondly, volunteering has about as much impact on being a good physician as the sign you were born under. Volunteering is a checkbox you have to tick off, nothing more. It's not like she was able to cheat on the MCAT or in her classes.

What is BS, Alex.
 
The word "snitching" is getting a little annoying here. If you witnessed someone commit a crime, you're required by law to report it (what she did obviously isn't a crime, but I'm making a point here)... if y'all consider something like that to be snitching, then you need some edumacation.

OP, I wouldn't report her... until she started bragging about it. Take her down, bruh.
 
The word "snitching" is getting a little annoying here. If you witnessed someone commit a crime, you're required by law to report it (what she did obviously isn't a crime, but I'm making a point here)... if y'all consider something like that to be snitching, then you need some edumacation.

OP, I wouldn't report her... until she started bragging about it. Take her down, bruh.

It probably is snitching. But I'm going to be honest; I don't mind snitching. I wish I had snitched when I found out that three students in my class had cheated on our biology midterm and gotten As. I'm sure they weren't the only ones. In any case, I had no proof, so what's a boy to do?

In this case, though, you don't know what's written on her application, nor do you actually KNOW how much volunteering she's done. She's PROBABLY telling the truth, and while I'm definitely not sure I'm taking the right approach to the problem, I wouldn't report her. It's better not to say anything than to make someone's life miserable, especially if she DIDN'T lie.
 
It probably is snitching. But I'm going to be honest; I don't mind snitching. I wish I had snitched when I found out that three students in my class had cheated on our biology midterm and gotten As. I'm sure they weren't the only ones. In any case, I had no proof, so what's a boy to do?

In this case, though, you don't know what's written on her application, nor do you actually KNOW how much volunteering she's done. She's PROBABLY telling the truth, and while I'm definitely not sure I'm taking the right approach to the problem, I wouldn't report her. It's better not to say anything than to make someone's life miserable, especially if she DIDN'T lie.

She lied either way. Either she's an unethical ******* who lied on her app and then told all of her friends she cheated on her med school application or she is a deceptive ******* lacking in commonsense who lied to her friends about having cheated when she actually didn't. Think of it this way: If you heard a student state she had just cheated on an ochem exam, would you even consider that she was actually lying and hadn't really cheated?
 
She lied either way. Either she's an unethical ******* who lied on her app and then told all of her friends she cheated on her med school application or she is a deceptive ******* lacking in commonsense who lied to her friends about having cheated when she actually didn't. Think of it this way: If you heard a student state she had just cheated on an ochem exam, would you even consider that she was actually lying and hadn't really cheated?

No. I also wouldn't report her. However, I'm certain that part of my motivation would be that the professor's punishment would likely be to re-administer the test. It definitely has happened before, and I understand that's a frivolous and not justifying reason not to report someone. Extra hassle makes reporting happen a lot less.
 
Enjoy a life that consists of worrying about what other people do.

This.

I got into the habit of passive agressively/anonymously snitching on people and although it was gratifying at first, it soon became extremely stressful. Everytime someone would do something wrong I would get all worked up about it. After about 3-4 weeks I realized I was being childish and now I don't worry about it.

Obviously these are situations where no one's life is in danger or anything serious like that.
 
"Snitches get stitches."
- The Holy Bible
I'm having a hard time figuring out how this would work. Do you really think that the wings of a Golden Snitch are big enough to grab and hold onto another Snitch?
 
This isn't gangster rap. Snitching is giving up the other drug runners when you get caught. This is called tattling. Let me ask 6 year old what happens to tattletales.
 
You don't know that her exaggerating or lying actually made or broke her application. Perhaps she would have been accepted even without lying. You snitching would definitely ruin her chances. I would say something to her directly, and then make sure I don't end up at the same med school as her. I would have hoped that the applicationprocess and interviews would have filtered people like this out, but perhaps not.
 
Hi I'm new here, and thought this would be a good place to seek help. I am currently going through a moral dilemma. 🙁

A girl I know from school already has a few acceptances. She lied on her AMCAS about some of her extra curricular activities. She completely made up her volunteering experiences, and has never volunteered at all! She brags to us about her not having to do any of those "stupid" activities. 😱

I don't think someone like this should be a doctor. Should I snitch on her so the schools can punish her accordingly?

Help!!!

Yes, you should. You'll be doing her a favor too.

See there's a strong correlation between these types of people, and the doctors who end up getting reamed by the board for misconduct. If she can't apply truthfully, what will she do when she realizes she's made a mistake in someone's care, or even worse, killed someone?

Integrity,professionalism, and honesty FTW.

Inform her schools, tell them to follow up on some of her lies, surely she had to give references?
 
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