So...Would You do D.O.?

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Would you ever choose DO?

  • Yes

    Votes: 283 66.6%

  • No

    Votes: 142 33.4%
  • Total voters
    425
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startswithb said:
You're just so ridiculously angry and being cruel to others who don't agree with you because you are relentlessly trying to justify your own decisions in your own mind.

It's like calling other people "snobs" and "prejudice" makes you feel like you're better, when all you want to hear is "I'm good enough, I'm good enough, I'm good enough." That's why you claimed that your GPA was a result of outward circumstances rather than admitting your own deficiencies.

Stop trying to justify your own life by criticizing others. For one, you do not have any reason to judge someone based on their own, personal decision making process. There are multiple reasons one is entitled to consider for not wanting to take a certain path.

In short, it is very obvious that your anger comes from your own deep insecurity.

You're going to be a D.O. OWN IT.
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I'm sorry, who are you? You're pretending to be a psychiatrist now? Seriously - this is the INTERNET. And you're calling ME ridiculous?

I'm insanely happy to be going to school where I am. I turned down several other well-established, very well-known DO schools for my personal choice and the one that's right for me. I'm not defending my choice to anyone. I'm explaining why one might choose a school over another one as an adjunct to my response at the statement that Jagger isn't "intelligent enough" to go to an MD school or one of the DO schools on "the list."

As far as my GPA, did you not read the part where I said "I DID NOT WANT TO MAKE THE EXTRA EFFORT" or the part about "I WANTED TO HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE SCHOOL?"
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If you're going to cherrypick my statements and rearrange them into something else entirely, I'm not sure why you decided to enter this discussion.
 
Mackey said:
I'll go out on a limb here and say you won't have to worry about me treating you or your family. I have no desire to go into psych.
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You could have just said "Illegallysmooth, you're right. I have nothing logical to add, so I'll just bow out with a quip about mental illness." 👍
 
illegallysmooth said:
Did you seriously think I was making a request for information to be able to track them down in 7 years? Or are you just talking with no real point, responding seriously to a sarcastic comment and trying to come across as the more reasonable one here?
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My point is thus:

1.) This question was posted in the pre-allo forum.
2.) Since it was a yes or no question, there are naturally going to be people who say "no" for reasons that may be legit or may be silly.
3.) The posters who come on here and go into histrionics about a person's honest answer end up looking like the neurotic ones.

Don't ask a question if you aren't prepared to hear answers you don't agree with.

At any rate, as you noted, we all make our own decisions for whatever reasons. That's an individual choice and doesn't necessarily have to be justified to other posters.
 
Oh, and to no one in particular:

I read a post somewhere in which a student commented that he didn't care if it said M.D., D.O., MDO, STFU or L.O.S.E.R. after his name as long as he could treat patients and practice medicine. THIS is the attitude to have. Personal preference is one thing, but abandoning a career for this reason is insane. To me, it signifies a serious problem with one's reasons for entering the field. This has been my point all along.

There will be days you HATE your life, days when you think you're not good enough, days when you doubt your abilities or your decisions. But if you become a physician so you can have MD after your name on your nametag at your 10-yr high school reunion, you will probably make a crappy doctor.
 
illegallysmooth said:
I'm sorry, who are you? You're pretending to be a psychiatrist now? Seriously - this is the INTERNET. And you're calling ME ridiculous?

I'm insanely happy to be going to school where I am. I turned down several other well-established, very well-known DO schools for my personal choice and the one that's right for me. I'm not defending my choice to anyone. I'm explaining why one might choose a school over another one as an adjunct to my response at the statement that Jagger isn't "intelligent enough" to go to an MD school or one of the DO schools on "the list."

As far as my GPA, did you not read the part where I said "I DID NOT WANT TO MAKE THE EXTRA EFFORT" or the part about "I WANTED TO HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE SCHOOL?"
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If you're going to cherrypick my statements and rearrange them into something else entirely, I'm not sure why you decided to enter this discussion.
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Makes my point once again. Cop outs. Previous paragraph, defensive. Just stop it, lol

And I was citing your ANGER and BOLD FONTS showing that you're defensive. Which generally masks insecurity. You don't have to be a psychologist to understand that. L
 
startswithb said:
Makes my point once again. Cop outs. Previous paragraph, defensive. Just stop it, lol

And I was citing your ANGER and BOLD FONTS showing that you're defensive. Which generally masks insecurity. You don't have to be a psychologist to understand that. L
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Ah, I see, if someone types in capital letters that means they're being defensive and therefore they are insecure. Good call, Ms. Junior Freud.

To clarify my previous point you obviously didn't understand: you accused me of blaming my GPA on external factors, I restated the INTERAL factors for my GPA - not making the extra effort and spending more time on other interests. Just so we're crystal clear - external factors would be things like family emergencies, breaking up with a boyfriend, etc.
 
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illegallysmooth said:
Secondly, I was responding to the person addressing Jagger and saying he's not intelligent enough to go to an MD school and further mentioned several DO schools that he deemed to be sufficient. Perhaps I should better explain the direction of my posts instead of expecting people to follow along.
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And that poster was a jerk who obviously had a personal axe to grind with Jagger. I suspect it had less to do with the DO degree than some sort of personal animosity. I also seriously doubt he was going to Stanford. If he was/is, he sure buffaloed his interviewers.

C'mon, critical thinking. It's critical.
 
illegallysmooth said:
Oh, and to no one in particular:

I read a post somewhere in which a student commented that he didn't care if it said M.D., D.O., MDO, STFU or L.O.S.E.R. after his name as long as he could treat patients and practice medicine. THIS is the attitude to have. Personal preference is one thing, but abandoning a career for this reason is insane. To me, it signifies a serious problem with one's reasons for entering the field. This has been my point all along.

There will be days you HATE your life, days when you think you're not good enough, days when you doubt your abilities or your decisions. But if you become a physician so you can have MD after your name on your nametag at your 10-yr high school reunion, you will probably make a crappy doctor.
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Putting your professional title on your name tag at your 10-year high school reunion makes you a "dork", not a crappy doctor.
 
Is there a gameshow going on in this thread that I'm missing?
 
I'm of the opinion illegallysmooth is an effective troll. My hat is off to you good sir.
 
illegallysmooth said:
My opinion is that anyone who would rather be a NON-PHYSICIAN than a DO is 1) A snob 2) has the wrong motivation to enter the field of medicine and 3) is not someone I'd want to take my family to.

And yes, it makes me angry to see someone make the outlandish statement that one person is more intelligent than another simply because of where he or she went to medical school. In my opinion, THAT is nuts.
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There was one poster, whose posts have been deleted, that insulted JaggerPlate's intelligence as it relates to the latter's choice of medical school. You did not reply to his post, but rather addressed your outburst to all people who voted no.

But there is an assumption that both you and JaggerPlate make (and hence why he stopped talking to me): that each person wants to be an MD/DO solely in order to be a physician. This assumption is false.

For example, for me an MD degree offers both the possibility of being a physician AND of being a researcher in a top university. With an MD only, both are possible, with a PhD only, the latter is possible, and with a DO only, the former is possible. If the MD were not available, it is likely I would do a PhD (there is a reason why most of the schools I am considering are top research schools).

That is just an example, and there are other valid reasons to consider. So for you to state that 'anyone who would rather be non-physician than a DO is a snob with the wrong motivation and not someone you want around your family' is an over-generalization and an overreaction.
 
dokein said:
There was one poster, whose posts have been deleted, that insulted JaggerPlate's intelligence as it relates to the latter's choice of medical school. You did not reply to his post, but rather addressed your outburst to all people who voted no.

But there is an assumption that both you and JaggerPlate make (and hence why he stopped talking to me): that each person wants to be an MD/DO solely in order to be a physician. This assumption is false.

For example, for me an MD degree offers both the possibility of being a physician AND of being a researcher in a top university. With an MD only both are possible, with a PhD only the latter is possible, and with a DO only the former is possible. If the MD were not available, it is likely I would do a PhD (there is a reason why most of the schools I am considering are top research schools).

That is just an example, and there are other valid reasons to consider. So for you to state that 'anyone who would rather be non-physician than a DO is a snob with the wrong motivation and not someone you want around your family' is an over-generalization and an overreaction.
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Agree. The people who refuse to admit that there are multiple reasons that differentiate the two paths, even neglecting personal choice, are those who are still trying to make themselves feel good about their own path.
 
startswithb said:
Agree. The people who refuse to admit that there are multiple reasons that differentiate the two paths, even neglecting personal choice, are those who are still trying to make themselves feel good about their own path.
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I just can't be nice about these quips. Are you seriously that dense? Do you honestly think the issue here is a refusal to admit there are multiple reasons for going to medical school? And that it's somehow related to needing to feel good about one's own choices? "There are multiple reasons that differentiate the two paths, even neglecting personal choice" - what??
And secondly - accusing me of needing to feel good about my choice is implying there's a reason to not feel good about my choice. That is not a view I share with you.

And since we are talking about medical school, yes, for most of this discussion I have been thinking about people who want to practice medicine and not do research. I don't know what the percentage of pre-meds who specifically want to do research at "top universities" is, but I don't think it's 33%. In any case, it's obvious that I am directing my comments towards people who want to be clinicians and yet would refuse to be DOs. I absolutely recognize that the DO field is not a research-oriented one, however that is changing. There are multiple DO schools with NIH funding for research.
 
illegallysmooth said:
In any case, it's obvious that I am directing my comments towards people who want to be clinicians and yet would refuse to be DOs.
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If this is true than I am happy to apologize for misunderstanding your first post.

However, without getting into further arguments, let me just say that an emotional post (like your first post) can be very difficult to evaluate in terms who it is directed toward. Furthermore, you used the term physician rather than clinician, and did not have any caveats. This is magnified by you not responding specifically to that one poster, and in a thread where the poll is nonspecific with respect to rationale.

Since it appears many people misinterpreted, please consider reevaluating how obvious you think your point was.
 
anonymousername said:
If there was no possible way that you could go to an MD program to become an allopathic (MD) physician, would you ever consider applying to DO programs?

I personally would. If the philosophy of the school was good and an opportunity for a desirable residency was available. But I see a lot of ppl in real life and on here who say they're going into medicine to "help people" and then bash DO applicants for even trying. So, would you consider DO if allopathic MD wasn't really a feasible option?
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Yes, under the condition you have mentioned. No, if I have the option to go to an M.D. school.
 
illegallysmooth said:
My opinion is that anyone who would rather be a NON-PHYSICIAN than a DO is 1) A snob
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It's called preference. If you don't like choice, I think North Korea is nice this time of year.

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2) has the wrong motivation to enter the field of medicine
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Haha, there is no "wrong motivation" to enter medicine. Just ones you can relate with and ones you don't.

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and 3) is not someone I'd want to take my family to.
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\you go on and tell dem dat der Jitney and Billy Bob to stay on the farm then.

And yes, it makes me angry to see someone make the outlandish statement that one person is more intelligent than another simply because of where he or she went to medical school. In my opinion, THAT is nuts.
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Well, you need to get over it. Because people will make statements that one person is more intelligent than another simply because of what specialty they do. And where they did their residency. And alot of times, they will be right.

If anyone is having illusions of grandeur, it's anyone who thinks that being an MD means you're more intelligent than any DO.
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I only have delusions, not illusions of grandeur. Thanks.
 
I mean ... it really is a personal choice and whatever someone's reason is, I don't think it deserves accusations of dbag or pretentious. In the end someone has to be happy with their decisions, and 4 years + residency is a long time to regret your choices, even if they're seemingly unfounded and based on misinformation.

Anyway, instead of fighting, why not discuss the differences, if any? Let's say with
1) Residency
2) Self-perception
3) Quality of education
4) Research opportunities/academic medicine
5) Salaries

I think that addresses the bulk of premed concerns. From what I understand, and please correct me, 1 is not that much different, but DO is more inclined towards patient care, 2 is the individual, 3 they are the same just one has some OMM classes, 4 never heard this discussed, and 5 no difference

extra: While I do think 'what if I want to do international medicine' is mostly a lofty thought, I think there are some cases where that might be a valid reason.
 
NOO they're EXACTLY the same! You're just a snob, and will make a terrible doctor. BALAHH WAAAHH!!!!!!?!??!!

Seriously, just as M.D.s need to be respectful to D.O.s, D.O.s or pre-D.O.s need to do the same!! I really don't understand the need for hysteria on the issue.
 
jason3278 said:
It really is too bad that there isn't a douchebag test for medical school admissions.
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+1

Especially having just found out that the surgeon who did my appendectomy was a D.O.

And that the terrible orthopedist who failed to diagnose a fracture in my ankle ("it's just a sprain..") was an MD- my "MD-only" bias disappeared.

There are good doctors and not-so-good doctors, that's rpetty much it.
 
Mackey said:
As a paramedic for several years before coming to medical school, as well as living with my girlfriend who is out at work right now, as a paramedic, going for her nursing degree, I think I have some insight into how it works, Sparky. A bit more than a premed.

Heres the raw deal: There are a ton of healthcare workers out there who work longer, harder hours doing far less glamorous work than the physicians. Doctors do not keep the hospital standing from day to day. Wait till you're a resident on the wards and get into an argument with the nursing staff. See who's side your attending takes. Though, you might not see much as you're getting thrown right underneath the bus.

Don't think for a moment that you have it that much tougher than the rest of the medical community. You're going to offend a lot of people if you keep spouting off about how you are the only one making sacrifices.

If you continue to do so, however, try not to claim "kissing professor's @sses" as a valid argument as towards why you have it harder.
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I'm too lazy to read this whole thing and I have been kind of reluctant to post. My bf is a paramedic who is wanting to go into fire. There is no way you can compare the workload, sacrifice, and time put into being a doctor than a medic.

The test he had to take to get into paramedic was a joke. It made the SAT look like the MCAT. It consisted of basic math up to algebra and reading comp that an 8th grader could pass. The other schools are here actually don't even require a test.

Isn't this just basic economics? Harder to pursue career = make more money = more workload and sacrifices. I'm not saying that medics, RNs, and everyone else aren't important. They are all very crucial and necessary components of the health care system. Without them, doctors wouldn't be able to function because not one doctor can do it all.

However, I do strongly believe that doctors do have it tougher than the rest of community. That is why they are doctors. It they didn't then everyone could be a doctor. Financially alone it is tougher. Paramedic school is ~8,000 - 10,000 (here is CA). If you fail out, no biggie, you can redo it and get a loan. However, there is no way you can re-do medical school because it's too costly.

Medics have it hard, they burn out quickly for sure. I also feel that medics should be paid more! It is a shame that they are really underpaid. I think comparing doctors to everyone else, there is no doubt in my mind that doctors have the most stress and workload, plus years of being in school and taking tough classes.

I know someone will find some random exception now because this is SDN. :laugh:

I voted "No" as well. But I guess I'm kind of new to these polling threads and didn't scroll to read the OP. It just said "so...would you do DO?"....I think that may explain why a lot of people have voted NO.

If there was absolutely no way in hell I could become an MD (even Caribbean was out of the question) and I had a shot at DO then I would totally do it.

I applied to 6 DO schools but decided to not go through with the secondaries because I have met people who really really want to just be a DO. I felt bad for possibly taking a seat away from someone who actually was interested in being a DO and not just doing it because they couldn't get into a MD school.
 
illegallysmooth said:
Oh, MY GOD.

There will always be snobs. There will always be people who care more about appearances and names than actual substance.
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Yep. Get used to it.

And there will always be people who care more about meaningful material -- who have the brains to make judgements and decisions about quality for themselves. I put myself in this category.
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Nice. Make sure you pick up your complimentary 25 foot tall horse that comes with self promoted membership.

I have a near-genius IQ but I've never gotten over a 3.5 ANY semester in undergrad or grad school. Why?
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Because the +120 intelligence on your level 86 wizard doesn't translate to real life?

I preferred to have a life outside school. Now, I prefer to pay less so I'm going to LECOM, the cheapest school I got into (instead of CCOM - the "approved" DO school according to someone here).
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Cool beans man. I prefer MD over DO.

People who allow prejudice (yes, it's pre-judging), rumor and ignorance to influence their impressions of medical schools and the doctors they produce are beyond hope, as far as I'm concerned. Snobs.
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I bet that horse eliminates the need for snow boots.

You're just snobs, and no one likes you. If you'd rather NOT be a physician than have to be a DO, I pray to God I never have to work with you.
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How can anyone work with you when you insist on riding that beast everywhere.

I just think you must be horribly self-absorbed, superficial elitists who clearly want prestige and don't give a *hit about bettering health and prolonging lives.
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Please don't think that. Know it.

I predict you will regret your decision when you're wrist-deep in someone's colon someday.
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I don't think I will, as long as I'm an M.D.
 
I love when threads go:


(insert MD vs DO question)........serious replies.....MD kids vs DO kids $hit talking.......totally random comments about movies, etc weeeeee 😀
 
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willen101383 said:
I love when threads go:
(insert MD vs DO question)........serious replies.....MD kids vs DO kids $hit talking.......totally random comments about movies, etc weeeeee 😀
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I AM SO SORRY.

I will be serious and answer the thread's title question.

So...Would You do D.O.?
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I would TOTALLY do a D.O., if she looked like this:

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Hope this helps.



do u see wat i did thare
 
eternalrage said:
I AM SO SORRY.

I will be serious and answer the thread's title question.



I would TOTALLY do a D.O., if she looked like this:

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Hope this helps.



do u see wat i did thare
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haha I never said I had a problem with it! Just that these threads follow a hilariously similar pattern!
 
Hoody said:
you'll think otherwise when your working side by side with a great DO, or your boss is a DO, or a DO saves the life of someone very close to you
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I think the person you're replying to meant that he/she wouldn't choose the snobs who wouldn't apply to DO schools because it's not prestigious enough as his/her PCP. That's how I read it anyway.
 
There's something profoundly wrong with this thread.

For example, there's a picture of a big-boobed woman in it.
 
Morsetlis said:
There's something profoundly wrong with this thread.

For example, there's a picture of a big-boobed woman in it.
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Dude it's a lot better than the course these threads normally take. Boobs > MD vs DO flamewar.

Plus, your avatar conflicts with your objection. Is there something 'you don't like about yourself ?'
 
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