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Ok here are my thoughts on the last couple of pages of thread. I’m betting we have 2-3 wolves left, maybe 4 if we started with 5 and there was a conversion. I feel much better about mpm today than I did yesterday. Especially after her explanation of everything. I’m also not so much leaning towards killer today either. I’m gonna wait and throw in a lynch vote closer to the deadline. I’m kinda leaning towards Nav at the moment. Somewhat a gut feeling. I will look in depth at Nav while I’m on break for an hour
 
Reasoning, thoughts? Anything particular I should look into?
We will know if SAR flips wolf or not.

My way of play is hit or miss like I said last night. Killing quiet players works 70% of the time. Lupin was very active D1 but dropped off afterwards.

I'm starting to think Lupin is village now because they kept wanting to lynch SAR and SAR seems to be wolf based on VCA
 
Ok here are my thoughts on the last couple of pages of thread. I’m betting we have 2-3 wolves left, maybe 4 if we started with 5 and there was a conversion. I feel much better about mpm today than I did yesterday. Especially after her explanation of everything. I’m also not so much leaning towards killer today either. I’m gonna wait and throw in a lynch vote closer to the deadline. I’m kinda leaning towards Nav at the moment. Somewhat a gut feeling. I will look in depth at Nav while I’m on break for an hour
Did they turn you last night? Why would you think Nav is a wolf?
 
Did they turn you last night? Why would you think Nav is a wolf?
Honestly this whole game I’ve had them as wolf leaning. Yes he posted a list but I feel like he hasn’t given a lot of thorough reads. Mostly just asking questions and investigating more than giving his actual thoughts
 
What had you turn on me so quickly?
Your words say one thing but your actions say another 😛.

It's way too convenient that you voted for non-wolves both days and tried to redirect attention towards innocent players. This plus your latest post saying that killer is innocent and Nav is guilty.

You played a good wolf. Almost fooled me yesterday.

We will lynch SAR then Killer then you. In that order.
 
Your words say one thing but your actions say another 😛.

It's way too convenient that you voted for non-wolves both days and tried to redirect attention towards innocent players. This plus your latest post saying that killer is innocent and Nav is guilty.

You played a good wolf. Almost fooled me yesterday.

We will lynch SAR then Killer then you. In that order.
Ummm okay... I’m didn’t say one was innocent and one was guilty. I’m telling you what way I’m leaning but today I am less sure than I was yesterday so I feel as if I’m starting from scratch. Nav has given me off vibes the whole game but I don’t have anything concrete yet. When did I redirect attention towards other “innocent” players? We can’t say anyone is innocent until they die and mods confirm their affiliation. You have no way of knowing anyone’s affiliation unless you’re a seer or tracker or something along those lines and you claim not to be. I honestly didn’t like the mutts lynch. Yeah, we got lucky but I don’t feel like simply taking our chance on inactive players is the best way to direct our lynch votes.

edit to fix typo
 
Also I want people’s thoughts on investigating genny... I feel she leans village but I want to hear how other people are reading her as well. What are the chances she is chaos?
 
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Dangit, SAR. why you so wolfy?! If you are village though, I would just go ahead and reveal at this point so people can get discussion going. Which I guess we should do anyway.

Currently playing the drinking games in HIMYM. haha
 
Got home from classes a little while ago.

Who bought it? XD

@Melchizedek I am very curious to hear your thoughts on killer


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For thoughts on killer:

Looking at the leading candidates:
I like that there's pressure on MPM, didn't realize she was being pushed when I made my last post to her.

I understand that Wolfie started the counterwagon to barks, but it doesn't seem like she meant to legitimately or was around to change her vote. I think this vote is kinda lazy.

Is VCA and her position on the Barks v SAR lynch the reasoning behind people voting Killer because I could back that.
Will reevaluate as I catch up and do VCA on yesterday's shenanigans.

@Melchizedek would also be happy to have you come play for a bit. Wondering what insights you currently are experiencing.

Give me a little bit. Today was a bad pain day and I'm little cranky and mentally sluggish
 
Dangit, SAR. why you so wolfy?! If you are village though, I would just go ahead and reveal at this point so people can get discussion going. Which I guess we should do anyway.

Currently playing the drinking games in HIMYM. haha
But um!!!
 
Got home from classes a little while ago.



For thoughts on killer:


Will reevaluate as I catch up and do VCA on yesterday's shenanigans.



Give me a little bit. Today was a bad pain day and I'm little cranky and mentally sluggish

No worries. Just missed your presence on thread, so wanted to check in. Pain blows. Hope you can get some relief sooner than later.
 
We will know if SAR flips wolf or not.

My way of play is hit or miss like I said last night. Killing quiet players works 70% of the time. Lupin was very active D1 but dropped off afterwards.

I'm starting to think Lupin is village now because they kept wanting to lynch SAR and SAR seems to be wolf based on VCA
BTW, I am a veterinarian who works all day and only have evenings to play. I will never be on during the day except on Thursdays.
 
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My in depth analysis of Navilly came out clean. I have them more in my village leaning pile. Lynch SAR. I think Lupin has a point.. might as well role reveal so that we can discuss
 
Dangit, SAR. why you so wolfy?! If you are village though, I would just go ahead and reveal at this point so people can get discussion going. Which I guess we should do anyway.

Currently playing the drinking games in HIMYM. haha

Sorry, sometimes it's hard to resist being obnoxious when I'm frustrated. Feeling more balanced now after a couple fun cases but still not done for a couple of hours here.

I'm an odd night protector. Protected Genny N1 and was told I was successful. Protected Sunbodi last night but got nothing back for results which was really odd.
 
lynch SAR

If SAR flips village, that shifts the lens over to Lupin for tunneling on them for the past few days. If wolf, can probably clear Lupin. Interested to see how the VCA is going to shake out as a result. Out of the current bandwagon, I feel good about miz, sunbodi, probably nav, probably alissa. Looking back on yesterday's flipfloppery, maybe a little less good about nav. The swap was interesting though- would have went from mutts to mpm if it had gone through, which would have tied mutts and killerleaf, instead of going straight to killerleaf to save mutts. Not quite sure what that says about both nav and killerleaf. Probably not thinking that both would die in a tie- inference based off of Sunbodi's former role? Probably only one wolf max between nav and killerleaf.
 
Lmao ninja'd. Okay,

unlynch SAR

until I can figure out just what's going on.
 
Sorry, sometimes it's hard to resist being obnoxious when I'm frustrated. Feeling more balanced now after a couple fun cases but still not done for a couple of hours here.

I'm an odd night protector. Protected Genny N1 and was told I was successful. Protected Sunbodi last night but got nothing back for results which was really odd.
Does this reaffirm Sunbodi as chaos tinfoil?
 
Sorry, sometimes it's hard to resist being obnoxious when I'm frustrated. Feeling more balanced now after a couple fun cases but still not done for a couple of hours here.

I'm an odd night protector. Protected Genny N1 and was told I was successful. Protected Sunbodi last night but got nothing back for results which was really odd.
The mods didn't say anything about it to you in your role pm? Did you ask if it was a mistake?
 
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Yeah so I kind of said something to Alissa about this earlier in my frantic catch up but I fell for SAR's PR/guilt trip speech. I also was suspicious of Alissa at that point in time, and okay with where the other votes were. I'm not faking anything dude, my feels are wishy washy for at least the first day or two. If I say anything otherwise I'm probably "faking" it. Plus, I laid out three/four people I was okay with lynching, then lynched one of them, flipped off of one due to PR claim, and chose another. For the noob thing, I also lynched her in a way to put pressure on--and tbh I knew she probably wasn't going down that night.

I think I kinda get what you're saying, but it doesn't make me feel any less queasy about you. That last line especially about wanting to vote somewhere that you knew wouldn't be effective. That could easily be a wolf trying to avoid coming under the microscope by staying away from viable lynch wagons.

Couldn’t they use POE and say “well player A isn’t a listed as a villager so they must be chaos” or do wolves know who villagers should be because wolves know who the other wolves are? Basically, if you’re a wolf, you only know if someone isn’t a wolf, not whether village or chaos?
playing the noob card hard, you're making my head hurt.

lynch killerleaf

Just had a fun little tinfoil pop up and I think I'd like to see where it goes.
Have you expounded on this tin-foil yet?

Seems strange Killer was trying to lynch sunbodi yesterday after D1 but this also seems way too outright wolf-y to do so. I would assume a wolf would be a little more strategic rather than voting for someone that a lot of people are trusting right now. Seems weird and wouldn't make much sense as a wolf to do something like this.
Grappling with this too
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Wait when I was role name seer or ability seer?
Because both happened
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It was some game where you and I were PM partners and we had a good PM village bloc going.

I literally agreed with cubs on the first day that I’m playing the exact same way as I did when I wolfed. I totally am! Wanna know why? Because it worked!! If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If I were to wolf this game, I would sure hope I’d be clever enough to switch things up when so many people rely on meta and my only meta currently is wolf meta. Incidentally, if you were to look at the past two night kills, you’d notice they were both people who I had a tiff with or who suspected me on the first lynch day. Seems like that could’ve been structured to throw shade on me. However, if you want to look at actual wolf meta from the noob game, I neeeeeeever killed anyone who was even remotely negatively tied to me. Didn’t touch killer at all when she suspected me for several days in a row. Didn’t touch Doktor when they started hardcore suspecting me in the end. I never did retaliatory kills. Too obviously tied to me, not my style. Real BigCats wolf meta this game would be NKing players I had never really associated with before or players who were hinting at having powers (SAR, Mel), unless those players were actually wolves. I know you’re suspicious of me because of last game. This is not last game. If you’re suspicious of me because of my actions this game, that’s fine. But you need to differentiate between the two.
........this seems like a ......disproportionate response to one person calling you fishy.....
This whole post is WIFOM because you may or may not have decided to change up your playstyle specifically so you could pull this kind of defense.
This post earns you two sketch points, one for the overly reactive tone, and one for using WIFOM as a defense.


@Navilly after going back and looking at Killer's reaction to lynch pressure and her posts today, I've moved her from my wolfish pile to more village than neutral pile.
So SAR, Killer, and Alissa are last wolves?

Any objections?
Major objections. I disagree on all three accounts.
SAR has been reading slighlty village
See above for new thoughts on Killer
Alissa is on the wolfy-side of neutral, enough to be on my radar and for me to want to scrutinize her, but not enough to warrant a vote yet.


Nav's play is starting to look more village in the past day, but he's also one of those people who can alter their playstyle if they think someone is on to them and I still think he's wolfy from play from D2/D3, so I want that egg cracked.

Lynch Nav
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eta: ninja'd by SAR but good to know that my read on her was right 😛
 
I did. I've asked a bunch a different things I thought could cause it and just got a lot of these: :shrug:
Was it because sunbodi was yellow carded by cubs?
Edit to fix accidental submission
 
@Melchizedek sorry did the noob post. Please remember this is only my third game. The first was the noob game, the second was 90’s where I was lynched on day 2 or 3. All the games so far I’ve been village. I haven’t the slightest clue how wolf chat or wolfing works
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We will know if SAR flips wolf or not.

My way of play is hit or miss like I said last night. Killing quiet players works 70% of the time. Lupin was very active D1 but dropped off afterwards.

I'm starting to think Lupin is village now because they kept wanting to lynch SAR and SAR seems to be wolf based on VCA
Lol where'd you get that number @Animal Midwife can we get an in-depth analysis please? :laugh:
 
Sorry, sometimes it's hard to resist being obnoxious when I'm frustrated. Feeling more balanced now after a couple fun cases but still not done for a couple of hours here.

I'm an odd night protector. Protected Genny N1 and was told I was successful. Protected Sunbodi last night but got nothing back for results which was really odd.
You got nothing back for results? What does this even mean?

If a wolf attacked genny n1 then that would mean that there were no village deaths but this is wrong. A villager did die.
 
Sorry, sometimes it's hard to resist being obnoxious when I'm frustrated. Feeling more balanced now after a couple fun cases but still not done for a couple of hours here.

I'm an odd night protector. Protected Genny N1 and was told I was successful. Protected Sunbodi last night but got nothing back for results which was really odd.
So why didn't you say all this before going all loopy earlier? It's just not adding up.
 
You got nothing back for results? What does this even mean?

If a wolf attacked genny n1 then that would mean that there were no village deaths but this is wrong. A villager did die.
Pretty sure, someone correct me if I’m wrong, that wolves can kill more than one player each night depending on game and circumstances

What did your night message say? (Summarize)

@genny can you corroborate SAR’s claim?
 
So why didn't you say all this before going all loopy earlier? It's just not adding up.

Because I held out hope I could talk myself out of a lynch without revealing before a night when I can't protect myself.

Then I got frustrated about things and thought someone was accusing me of making up my animal abuse cases (not the case but I overreacted) and realized there was no talking myself out of this one without a point blank reveal
 
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@Melchizedek sorry did the noob post. Please remember this is only my third game. The first was the noob game, the second was 90’s where I was lynched on day 2 or 3. All the games so far I’ve been village. I haven’t the slightest clue how wolf chat or wolfing works
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So the reason I'm annoyed by it is if you're a villager, then veteran wolf players will use your questions about game structure and whatnot to be nice to you and buddy up to you and put you in their pocket. A good way to avoid that is to ask the mods about general game stuff. If its just a simple question like "do wolves get a list of people's affiliation" the mods will answer with the usual answer "No wolves don't get an explicit list of everyone's affiliation, they have to start off assuming everyone who isn't a wolf is village." If your question is less appropriate to answer because the answer would affect the game, the mods just won't answer.

If you're a wolf, then its just annoying to watch you ask questions you would know the answers to already as a wolf. 😛

I mean no offense by it, I apologize if my crankiness made it come off like an admonishment. 🙂
 
Have you expounded on this tin-foil yet?
I was waiting for someone to ask! Seems to be a bit outdated now that I'm not quite as suspicious of killerleaf, but I had a fun little tinfoil that the vote swapping at the very end occurred to protect killerleaf as a wolf with as-of-yet unused converter power (or perhaps already-used converter power that they didn't want outed on thread yet) as opposed to mutts, who had more-limited abilities. I'm still wondering if Barks's description in the writeup is typical for a vanilla wolf or not, so that factored into my tinfoil as well as some sort of inheritable power that could be passed on to other wolves if unused before death.

........this seems like a ......disproportionate response to one person calling you fishy.....
This whole post is WIFOM because you may or may not have decided to change up your playstyle specifically so you could pull this kind of defense.
This post earns you two sketch points, one for the overly reactive tone, and one for using WIFOM as a defense.
Yeah, it was pretty disproportionate. I'm just fed up with people saying they're suspicious of me just because of the noob game. If people are suspicious of me because of what I'm doing in this game, that's fine. I might be extra sensitive since people distrusting me for the noob game literally got me lynched on the first day and I only survived by the grace of Sunbodi. Just annoying that there's no way for me to convince anyone that I'm village except by flipping, since all of my villagerness is just being interpreted as "well she played a good villager last game too!1!". I guess maybe by my third game people will have a better understanding of the way I play and stop jumping to conclusions.
 
@Ms Procrastinator At this point you're the only one I can trust.

SAR claimed she saved only 2 people but haven't we had 3 nights?

Again, SAR said she protected genny but on every night we have had a villager death. As far as I'm aware wolves can only kill 1 person each night.

SAR also said that she didn't gain any results after protecting me but that's a stringent lie. The role blocker- cubs- role blocked ME. Not SAR.

I do not believe SAR's testimony. There were 3 holes in it.
1. She claimed to protect 2 instead of 3
2. She claimed to protect genny successfully however a villager died every night
3. She claimed there was no info from protecting me but the role blocker blocked me.

SAR is guilty as charged.
 
If a wolf attacked genny n1

Idk if Genny did get attacked or not. Successful doesn't usually imply if it was needed and most mods won't tell you. I was also denied clarity on this point when I asked the mods in my role pm
 
Sorry, sometimes it's hard to resist being obnoxious when I'm frustrated. Feeling more balanced now after a couple fun cases but still not done for a couple of hours here.

I'm an odd night protector. Protected Genny N1 and was told I was successful. Protected Sunbodi last night but got nothing back for results which was really odd.
Does anyone else remember Genny saying on D2 that she didn't get any notice of night actions and was wondering if that was normal?
 
Lol where'd you get that number @Animal Midwife can we get an in-depth analysis please? :laugh:
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Unsure how to check this since the threshold for quietness is arbitrary from game to game (especially in games without a post minimum) and I'm not sure how far back to go.
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@Ms Procrastinator At this point you're the only one I can trust.

SAR claimed she saved only 2 people but haven't we had 3 nights?

Again, SAR said she protected genny but on every night we have had a villager death. As far as I'm aware wolves can only kill 1 person each night.

SAR also said that she didn't gain any results after protecting me but that's a stringent lie. The role blocker- cubs- role blocked ME. Not SAR.

I do not believe SAR's testimony. There were 3 holes in it.
1. She claimed to protect 2 instead of 3
2. She claimed to protect genny successfully however a villager died every night
3. She claimed there was no info from protecting me but the role blocker blocked me.

SAR is guilty as charged.

What part of ODD NIGHT protector isn't computing for you? I can't protect people every night
 
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