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Sunbodi said:
Well I'm a noob at WW. I didn't know I couldn't tell role names because in mafia we get a full role list.
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So as an example, if you had an animals gsme, they may have a wolf who can kill only mammals and can submit a name every night to do so. So you can either be narrowing down or making yourself a target by saying your role name.


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Day 1 Captain Vote

coffee? (1) - Coffee
miz (1) - mutts
MsP (2) - Cubs, Msp
Alissa () -
Mel (1) - Mel
Killerleaf (1) - Killerleaf
Wondering (2) – Wondering, Cats
Genny (6) - Genny, SAR, Alissa, Lupin, Miz, Sunbodi
mpm (3) - mpm, wolfie, Barks


Day 2 Official First Quarter Lynch Tally

Coffee () -
BigCats (5) - Wolfie, Cubs, killer, SAR, barks
Wondering () -
Barks (5) - Sunbodi, MsP, Genny, big cats, coffee
SAR (2) - Nav, Lupin
Cubs (2) - Mutts, Wondering
Killer ()
Sunbodi (1) - Alissa
Alissa (1) - mpm


Day 3 Cats like soccer too Lynch Tally

wolfie (2) - BC, Cubs
killer (4) - MsP, mpm, Wolfie, mutts
cubs (-)
mpm (2) - genny, alissa
SAR () -
nav (1) - mel
mutts (5) - sunbodi, lupin, miz, nav, wondering
sunbodi (1) - killer
Alissa (1) - SAR

***miz is blue for D3 since she's prooooooobably a villager since it does seem like Coffee revived her but also trust no one
 
So if I get killed tonight it was fun while it lasted.

I just took nyquil for my cold so I probably won't be awake until after all night abilities are submitted.

At this point I would push SAR. If 5 of the veterans wanted her dead D2 it was for a reason
 
Looks like it might've been a "lay low and spread your votes out" kind of day on D1, at least from these two data points.
 
SAR and Killer spread votes D3 and voted together D2.

I'm not saying to lynch them but if you do vote them for lynch and they cannot provide anything substantial do not hesitate to have them lynched.

Also in the future village needs to vote together instead of splitting between two people. Splitting between two people allows for bad rationale for both votes whereas voting for one person requires good rationale for that one person.

I really liked how Alissa looked into all posts of MPM in the future do that for any sus players
 
Sunbodi said:
SAR and Killer spread votes D3 and voted together D2.

I'm not saying to lynch them but if you do vote them for lynch and they cannot provide anything substantial do not hesitate to have them lynched.

Also in the future village needs to vote together instead of splitting between two people. Splitting between two people allows for bad rationale for both votes whereas voting for one person requires good rationale for that one person.

I really liked how Alissa looked into all posts of MPM in the future do that for any sus players
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What you are referring to is a bandwagon. Village will typically try and vote together in late game. But early game that’s usually a negative ghost rider because it stifles discussion, and forces pressure and cracking on only one person. Also allows wolves to hide easier which hinders VCA


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Last piece of info if I'm killed. Stick with your gut feeling an hour before lynch. This means also doing your homework and not letting wolves and other villagers doing the homework for you. Do not change your vote less than an hour before lynch unless somebody claims seer.
 
Sunbodi said:
Last piece of info if I'm killed. Stick with your gut feeling an hour before lynch. This means also doing your homework and not letting wolves and other villagers doing the homework for you. Do not change your vote less than an hour before lynch unless somebody claims seer.
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This is odd to me considering the only reason a wolf got lynched today was because of ultra last minute shuffling.
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
This is odd to me considering the only reason a wolf got lynched today was because of ultra last minute shuffling.
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Yeah. But, how often has this exact scenario happen?

I'm saying what happened tonight is bad for village to do but since it worked D2 and we killed a wolf I said "why not?" And did it again tonight.

Edit: could you imagine how bad it would be if I were wolf and i led village like this?
 
Sunbodi said:
Yeah. But, how often has this exact scenario happen?

I'm saying what happened tonight is bad for village to do but since it worked D2 and we killed a wolf I said "why not?" And did it again tonight.

Edit: could you imagine how bad it would be if I were wolf and i led village like this?
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There are reasons people DID follow you this game. People won’t just sheep anyway. I flopped since mel was damn sure about wolfie and killers response under pressure read village to me. Last minute mindless waffles don’t benefit village but thought out ones can.
 
Yes under pressure they did seem village-y.

I was sure wondering was wolf but under pressure they don't seem like wolf.

We have yet to put pressure on Lupin.

We did put pressure on SAR but something is up over there.

MPM promised more participation tomorrow. I'm a sucker for sweet people but if she doesn't deliver then...
 
Night closed! Results will be posted soon-ish
 
WonderingStudent said:
Yeah I'm feeling that slightly too. Alissa was giving me very village vibes in the noob game. Not sure if it is just because she has gotten a little more experience from the 90s game (and changed chat strategy through that) or somethings different this game.
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How about now?

Sunbodi said:
For now

Lynch MPM

MPM, mutt, and Lupin were sus for me since D1 based on mayor votes. I was afraid to say Lupin because they are very adept at the game and I didnt want to be targeted by them


I am distributing the vote because Alissa reads as village to me right now and she gave the most detailed scrub reading.

Wolfie is not being helpful but she wasn't during the noob game and she still ended up as village so for now she is in the idk category.
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Why lupin for the mayor vote?

Navilly said:
The more lupin is talking, the more I can’t see her hard steering votes away from barks on day one as a wolf. With that said, lupin is a wolves first type of wolfer and will try and keep the rest of his pack alive if possible. It all falls neutral for me, but just things to think about.


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I will also say that on the topic of Lupin, when I wolfed with her, she liked to do some stuff for the lulz. Like she made a super sketchy last minute vote switch, but managed to pull if off as "I'm a better wolf that that"/ "This game is about having fun" (which like, yes!)--but yeah, I'm kind of seeing it too
@genny What say you?

Melchizedek said:
@mypetmoose you make this kind of "I don't know how to read noobs and think I should cut them some slack" statement a few times and then end up only talking about how the noobs are doing sketchy things, and then end up switching from SAR to a noob. I find this really weird. What are your reads? Why does it feel like you were just bopping along and hiding behind some fake wishy washiness yesterday?
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Yeah so I kind of said something to Alissa about this earlier in my frantic catch up but I fell for SAR's PR/guilt trip speech. I also was suspicious of Alissa at that point in time, and okay with where the other votes were. I'm not faking anything dude, my feels are wishy washy for at least the first day or two. If I say anything otherwise I'm probably "faking" it. Plus, I laid out three/four people I was okay with lynching, then lynched one of them, flipped off of one due to PR claim, and chose another. For the noob thing, I also lynched her in a way to put pressure on--and tbh I knew she probably wasn't going down that night.

alissa14 said:
Kinda confused why Nav is reading me as wolfy but okay... I don’t think I’ve really done a lot to cause suspicion. I’ve already said that I was updating you yesterday on my schedule so you’d know I wouldn’t be as active as I try to usually be. I also wanted to not come across as “suspicious lurking” for trying to catch up on thread here and there during breaks and reacting to a few posts. As for not voting on barks, I just wasn’t seeing what everyone else was seeing. I didn’t want to waffle and take the chance to have Barks flip village and have people accuse me of being suspicious. I was most suspicious of Sunbodi at the time so that’s why I kept my lynch vote on them. With Sunbodi’s more recent posting, I have them more in my village leaning pile.
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I'm calling Retal on today's vote Alissa. Also, usually it is wolves (and noobs) who are most nervous about being 'caught' doing something suspicious.

alissa14 said:
Thank you. Keeping my eye on those involved in snackgate
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Are you sure that genny is village? Because I'm not. I have her as one of my top reads, sure, but like I didn't then... its not 100% obviously. I voted for myself because I thought it would be fun and because I didn't trust genny's reveal that she gets extra benefits as mayor because everyone does, and it would be easy to fake. I just wanted to give it a try because I had never run before. I was campaigning my little heart out too

mizchiefmanaged said:
I will say if MPM flips wolf I doubt there will be more than one wolf (if even a wolf) on her mayoral vote.
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So you think wolfie is innocent? Or you think its w/v? Or v/v? Think about it. I'm a freaking quiet shy, ghosty wolf. I get scared and don't show up to lynches and lurk from the shadows. Do you think I would have the audacity to run for mayor if I thought even for a minute that I'd get caught by investigators as a wolf. Nope lol hecking nopeity nope nope

Sunbodi said:
Current Reads:

Village
Genny- Consistently voted alongside me. Idk why. On D1 she was interested in barks, lupin, and wondering
MsP- Also very innocent voting behavior. Voted bark before the vote shifted to bark
Sunbodi
Alissa- Most helpful person here thus far.
CoffeeQuestionMark- Killed Barks when didn't have to shift the vote. Village for sure.

Village Leaning
BigCats- Everything lends me to believe they are village but due to their good wolf game play I can only put them in village leaning
Melchizedek-I like how they said genny is village. She is-most likely
Cubsrule4e- Didn't read their posts in depth but have provided solid reasoning towards me the entire time. Unlike other players who have completely brushed off any questions anyone has asked.

Neutral
Mizchiefmanaged- Need to say more than think SAR is sus. We need reads on every player. Not just one.
Navilly-This person scares me. Way too adept for me to give accurate reads. Will just say that she and lupin and mizchief were worried about SAR. For an adept player just wanted to mention that all their neutrals are wolves for me.
MPM- Sorry for pushing the vote in your direction. You also mentioned SAR. I highly doubt 3-4 wolf would all bring up the same name.
Lupin-For a veteran player you haven't given us any list whatsoever besides saying SAR is sus. Please help village out.


Wolf Leaning
KillerLeaf- 8 posts only. Half of them were nonsense. I'm inclined to put them with wondering in wolf but they made a few more posts.

Wolf
Wondering- No helpful posts at all.
Wolfie- I have no clue why wolfie voted for BigCats early on with no justification whatsoever. She also voted for MPM as mayor after genny made the mayor PR claim. Bad look for wolfie.
Muttmanager- Umm HELLO? 6 posts??? None of them helpful???
SAR-On the defensive when they were nearly lynched yesterday. Did not provide any proof that they are village.
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How do you feel about that? (first bolded bit)

So are wolfie and I w/v? Do you think that there are 2+ wolves on that mayor vote? (Second bolded bit).


Melchizedek said:
I'd really like people to consider Nav as a lynch. He's my biggest wolf read so far. Otherwise if it comes down to Wolfie v MPM I'm okay with voting mpm for previously stated reasons.
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Do you think that Wolfie and I are W/V? Why? I've got a theory on Nav. Please hold. (Also, didn't miz say she was worried about this too?)

@mizchiefmanaged Current thoughts on Nav?

(ALSO- I'd like to urge investigators to look at genny soon if they haven't already.)
 
Sunbodi said:
Yeah. But, how often has this exact scenario happen?

I'm saying what happened tonight is bad for village to do but since it worked D2 and we killed a wolf I said "why not?" And did it again tonight.

Edit: could you imagine how bad it would be if I were wolf and i led village like this?
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WIFOM yo
 
Sunbodi said:
Yes under pressure they did seem village-y.

I was sure wondering was wolf but under pressure they don't seem like wolf.

We have yet to put pressure on Lupin.

We did put pressure on SAR but something is up over there.

MPM promised more participation tomorrow. I'm a sucker for sweet people but if she doesn't deliver then...
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Participation comes tonight and after 7pm Eastern tomorrow. Best I can do because of school, sorry. Bathroom breaks too. But I've got a lot to say tonight so don't worry 🙂
 
Sunbodi said:
Yes under pressure they did seem village-y.

I was sure wondering was wolf but under pressure they don't seem like wolf.

We have yet to put pressure on Lupin.

We did put pressure on SAR but something is up over there.

MPM promised more participation tomorrow. I'm a sucker for sweet people but if she doesn't deliver then...
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What do you think of Lupin? I'm liking her more and more as an option tbh.

Do you have killer and SAR as w/w potentially then? (this question is in response to a previous post of yours)
 
mypetmoose said:
How about now?



Why lupin for the mayor vote?



I will also say that on the topic of Lupin, when I wolfed with her, she liked to do some stuff for the lulz. Like she made a super sketchy last minute vote switch, but managed to pull if off as "I'm a better wolf that that"/ "This game is about having fun" (which like, yes!)--but yeah, I'm kind of seeing it too
@genny What say you?



Yeah so I kind of said something to Alissa about this earlier in my frantic catch up but I fell for SAR's PR/guilt trip speech. I also was suspicious of Alissa at that point in time, and okay with where the other votes were. I'm not faking anything dude, my feels are wishy washy for at least the first day or two. If I say anything otherwise I'm probably "faking" it. Plus, I laid out three/four people I was okay with lynching, then lynched one of them, flipped off of one due to PR claim, and chose another. For the noob thing, I also lynched her in a way to put pressure on--and tbh I knew she probably wasn't going down that night.



I'm calling Retal on today's vote Alissa. Also, usually it is wolves (and noobs) who are most nervous about being 'caught' doing something suspicious.



Are you sure that genny is village? Because I'm not. I have her as one of my top reads, sure, but like I didn't then... its not 100% obviously. I voted for myself because I thought it would be fun and because I didn't trust genny's reveal that she gets extra benefits as mayor because everyone does, and it would be easy to fake. I just wanted to give it a try because I had never run before. I was campaigning my little heart out too



So you think wolfie is innocent? Or you think its w/v? Or v/v? Think about it. I'm a freaking quiet shy, ghosty wolf. I get scared and don't show up to lynches and lurk from the shadows. Do you think I would have the audacity to run for mayor if I thought even for a minute that I'd get caught by investigators as a wolf. Nope lol hecking nopeity nope nope


How do you feel about that? (first bolded bit)

So are wolfie and I w/v? Do you think that there are 2+ wolves on that mayor vote? (Second bolded bit).



Do you think that Wolfie and I are W/V? Why? I've got a theory on Nav. Please hold. (Also, didn't miz say she was worried about this too?)

@mizchiefmanaged Current thoughts on Nav?

(ALSO- I'd like to urge investigators to look at genny soon if they haven't already.)
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I strongly disagree with the last part of this, if genny went for mayor as a wolf, she’s not dumb, she would have had some anti seering mechanism. I think it would be a waste of a seer


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mypetmoose said:
What do you think of Lupin? I'm liking her more and more as an option tbh.

Do you have killer and SAR as w/w potentially then? (this question is in response to a previous post of yours)
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I feel like the early mutts vote could possibly be a wolf throwing an early vote for another wolf they didn’t think would be up for lynch.

In regards to your other question I actually have Nav mildly in my village pile despite that truly heinous attempted flip away from mutts last second. Will try to find exact quotes, might be tomorrow morning.
 
Navilly said:
I strongly disagree with the last part of this, if genny went for mayor as a wolf, she’s not dumb, she would have had some anti seering mechanism. I think it would be a waste of a seer


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Oh I guess that is true, and now that you say that, that makes sense. I was just being dumb lol. And now that you say that, there probably isn't an unseerable one if there is an untrackable one too (I hope).
 
N3

The referee held up a yellow card signalling a penalty. There had been a few yellow cards given out this game and everybody was worried about a red card which would mean ejection from the game.

The team was winning and it was looking like it could become a shutout. However, the opposing team still had some tricks up their sleeve. They weren't going to let some referee kick them off the field.

Dead is
@cubsrule4e: Yellow Card - Blocker and 2x Vig who could block someone by issuing a yellow card and kill a player by issuing two yellow cards

Lineup:
1. @WonderingStudent
2. @BigCats
3. @Wolfie<3
4. @Sunbodi
5. @killerleaf
6. @genny
7. @mizchiefmanaged
8. @Navilly
9. @mypetmoose
10. @Melchizedek
12. @muttmanager
14. @alissa14
15. @Ms Procrastinator
19. @SARdoghandler
21. @Lupin21

Ejected:
7. @mizchiefmanaged : VAR, alternate delayed tracker/watcher
13. @Barkley13: Hope Solo, wolf
18. @CoffeeQuestionMark: Mia Hamm, resurrector
12. @muttmanager: FIFA, 3x ninja
20. @cubsrule4e: Yellow Card, blocker and 2x vig

Subs:
1. @Lawper
2. @WildZoo

It is now D4, lynch will close tomorrow at 7 pm PST/10 pm EST
 
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Do wolves know who the chaos player is if there is one? Are they like given a list of affiliations at the start of the game or..
 
alissa14 said:
Do wolves know who the chaos player is if there is one? Are they like given a list of affiliations at the start of the game or..
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Generally not, but once again, is game dependent. Old game called the inheritance had a person always know a list of all the roles (the will) and what they did. But there were severe restrictions on how you could use the information. The will owner would name an heir each time and it would pass from person to person upon death.


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mizchiefmanaged said:
Not in my experience. I’m sure there’s been like one game where they were aware of who chaos was but not typically.
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Couldn’t they use POE and say “well player A isn’t a listed as a villager so they must be chaos” or do wolves know who villagers should be because wolves know who the other wolves are? Basically, if you’re a wolf, you only know if someone isn’t a wolf, not whether village or chaos?
 
alissa14 said:
Couldn’t they use POE and say “well player A isn’t a listed as a villager so they must be chaos” or do wolves know who villagers should be because wolves know who the other wolves are? Basically, if you’re a wolf, you only know if someone isn’t a wolf, not whether village or chaos?
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The latter. We had no clue in noob game that nontrad was chaos- would've pushed that earlier if we'd known.
 
genny- I feel better about putting her at full village after my recent post talking it out
Miz-recent rez, good target for conversion, but that a later issue
BC- playing well, solid interactions, overall good feels

Sunbodi- spewed vill... leading a double wolf kill hmmm
Nav- has been playing a strong game and remains village outside of my tinfoils (I'm trying to talk myself out of it. It's weak, but its in my head and trying to come onto thread.)
Alissa- first day bothered me a lot. I already mentioned why. Today felt like retaliation to me, but I'm probably biased. I'm curious about what put her so high on Sunbodi's village pile--obviously putting a lot of effort in though, so that is nice to see

Ms Procrastinator- I'd like to see more here.
Wondering- swung the tide towards mutts. Unlikely to be a wolf unless killer is also exactly a wolf.
Wolfie/Mel- I see a Mel/Wolfie Dynamic that I'm not sure what to make of yet.

killer-lynching her gives info on whether this was W/W. If killer is a wolf, then wondering could be wolfy, depending on the quality of powers. If village, then wondering is village.
SARdoghandler- interested in this because she has been up more than once and it might be time to crack this egg
Lupin21- for aforementioned reasons

Edit: Put Lupin in wolfy neutral now
 
Coopah said:
... Did another wolf die and I not notice? Legit question there's a lot I didn't read
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Yep. Sunbodi is 2/2 for wolf lynches- Barks flipped wolf yesterday and mutts flipped wolf today.
 
mypetmoose said:
genny- I feel better about putting her at full village after my recent post talking it out
Miz-recent rez, good target for conversion, but that a later issue
BC- playing well, solid interactions, overall good feels

Sunbodi- spewed vill... leading a double wolf kill hmmm
Nav- has been playing a strong game and remains village outside of my tinfoils (I'm trying to talk myself out of it. It's weak, but its in my head and trying to come onto thread.)
Alissa- first day bothered me a lot. I already mentioned why. Today felt like retaliation to me, but I'm probably biased. I'm curious about what put her so high on Sunbodi's village pile--obviously putting a lot of effort in though, so that is nice to see

Ms Procrastinator- I'd like to see more here.
Wondering- swung the tide towards mutts. Unlikely to be a wolf unless killer is also exactly a wolf.
Wolfie/Mel- I see a Mel/Wolfie Dynamic that I'm not sure what to make of yet.

killer-lynching her gives info on whether this was W/W. If killer is a wolf, then wondering could be wolfy, depending on the quality of powers. If village, then wondering is village.
SARdoghandler- interested in this because she has been up more than once and it might be time to crack this egg
Lupin21- for aforementioned reasons

Edit: Put Lupin in wolfy neutral now
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Don’t let BigCats fool you. While they come off as village, I still can’t say I feel good about them yet.

edit: sorry BigCats but I'm forever scarred from the noob game
 
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lynch killerleaf

Just had a fun little tinfoil pop up and I think I'd like to see where it goes.
 
While I generally like to avoid NK analysis, I am a bit intrigued by the wolves killings. The pattern is either killing people that are safe (those that are less likely to be protected/watched/etc.) or intentionally leaving the village core group alive to allow the convert, if it exists, to hide.


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Yeah I'm definitely fine with

contingency lynch killer

I realize that if killer is a wolf then I will seem like a wolf but I'd rather kill a wolf instead of shooting for self-preservation.
 
Dang, Sunbodi, if you hadn’t gotten lynched by villagers first thing in the noob game, you would’ve totally kicked butt. Power villager to the max!! Still dying to see what you do as a wolf but I’m okay with waiting til another game to see that 😉
 
After reading through half of the thread to catch up,
Seems strange Killer was trying to lynch sunbodi yesterday after D1 but this also seems way too outright wolf-y to do so. I would assume a wolf would be a little more strategic rather than voting for someone that a lot of people are trusting right now. Seems weird and wouldn't make much sense as a wolf to do something like this. I think it was Killer last game that stuck with their thoughts that BigCats was wolf when a lot of people trusted BC so I guess this is a consistent play style. Therefore for now:

unlynch killer
 
Cubs gave me a yellow card last night

🙁

Good thing I have no night time abilities
 
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