Specialties with Respect from other Physicians

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I get that. It's like that in just about every profession. The part that was NOT professional is that the comments were made a. in front of premeds who were just shadowing b. in front of me whom they'd just met and c. in front of another doc who they'd just met. I think you can agree that you kinda need to know your audience before making comments that could be taken the wrong way.

I would agree with you if I hadn't been on the wards all year.

Docs are constantly in front of other docs they just met. Especially in an academic setting. Residents rotate every month, attendings rotate every month, every specialty has off-service residents and new med students that you've never met before.

Doesn't stop the comments.

You don't make inappropriate comments in front of patients or JCAHO. Other than that docs don't hold their tongues too much. If you're a doc or planning to be a doc then you're basically considered in the fold and you will hear the comments same as everyone else. We have premeds shadowing in the ED all the time - doesn't change our behavior in the slightest. They're there to observe us, we're not going to watch our mouths and put a stick up our butt just because of it.

I felt the same way you did when I first started in the wards and I was a little taken aback by the way residents and attendings are - but you quickly get used to it.
 
Medical doctors are human. They're unprofessional...a lot.

They have ways of coping, they gossip like everyone else and they have fun. Its never supposed to be mean its just how docs have fun.

It seems callous when you first see it. But you quickly get used to docs poking fun at other docs and poking fun at patients.

Haha, +1 to this. Being on OB right now I've heard some good jokes about OBs and other specialties 🙂
 
There's no such thing as radiology MDs just radiology techs. Where my future radiology techs at?
 
There's no such thing as radiology MDs just radiology techs. Where my future radiology techs at?

You know, when I talk to patients I actually find the opposite. A whole bunch of people think the person running them through the CT or doing the official ultrasound or taking the X-ray are doctors.
 
I believe the Interventional Radiopthoanesthodermatologists get the most respect from everyone, including the colorectal neurosurgeons.
 
the oncologists to never tell patients the true extent of their disease and therefore don't give them accurate prognosis ("what do you mean I only have a few months to live? Dr. so and so wants to start salvage chemo and thinks I'll respond")....so other docs in the hospital are always frustrated when having to deal with them

Those oncologists are probably conducting research.
 
Derm!! General Surgeons love making less money on an appendectomy than you do for giving botox injections.
 
We all know the politically correct answer i.e. there are physicians with respect in all specialties. However this is not reality.

In reality each specialty have different prestige among physicians.

For example, dermatologists may be seen as very prestigious by premeds and medical students but among lay people and friends dermatology has very low prestige.

So does Anesthesiology. Nurses, Nurse Anesthesisists, and Surgeons and everyone else bad mouth Anesthesiologists. Is it justified? No! But they have very little respect. In fact, next to radiologists they probably have the lowest respect among people in the hospital.
 
So does Anesthesiology. Nurses, Nurse Anesthesisists, and Surgeons and everyone else bad mouth Anesthesiologists. Is it justified? No! But they have very little respect. In fact, next to radiologists they probably have the lowest respect among people in the hospital.

I guess they will just have to take solace in being well-compensated with a good lifestyle. If you want respect, go into trauma or NS <shrug> you generally won't see people bashing them if they're not pricks (unfortunately many of them are)
 
We all know the politically correct answer i.e. there are physicians with respect in all specialties. However this is not reality.

In reality each specialty have different prestige among physicians.

For example, dermatologists may be seen as very prestigious by premeds and medical students but among lay people and friends dermatology has very low prestige.

So does Anesthesiology. Nurses, Nurse Anesthesisists, and Surgeons and everyone else bad mouth Anesthesiologists. Is it justified? No! But they have very little respect. In fact, next to radiologists they probably have the lowest respect among people in the hospital.

I think that the low respect Anesthesiologist and Radiologist receive is justified just because they get paid disproportionately more than other fields. Since medicine is continuously evolving, people who went into GS when it was at its peak are now really frustrated and resentful (Lap Chole $400). With Anesthesiologists in particular, since oftentimes they make more for a procedure than the surgeon does.
 
Everyone dislikes uro, orthro, neurosurg and plastics because they dodge consults.

Add cardiology to the list. In the ED where I used to work, just saying "cardiology consult" would get a derisive snort from anyone within earshot.
 
I think that the low respect Anesthesiologist and Radiologist receive is justified just because they get paid disproportionately more than other fields. Since medicine is continuously evolving, people who went into GS when it was at its peak are now really frustrated and resentful (Lap Chole $400). With Anesthesiologists in particular, since oftentimes they make more for a procedure than the surgeon does.
That's the dumbest reason to not like a radiologist/give respect to them.
 
Add cardiology to the list. In the ED where I used to work, just saying "cardiology consult" would get a derisive snort from anyone within earshot.
Okay, but that's from personal experience. You're near ****ty cardiologists, which is why you deal with that.
 
Pay goes in cycles. It is utterly stupid to go into Anesthesiology or Radiology for money.

Read the Anesthesiology forum and read about the threat of CRNAs. The fact is that 1/3 of the states do not require a CRNA to be overseen by an Anesthesiologist in 2010 with close to all 50 states in the next 5 years. Ask any Gas attending about this.

Sure Anesthesiology will continue to succceed but the number of jobs will be sliced by a large amount because there are a fixed number of jobs and a greater concentration will go to CRNAs. Gas men will be more supervisory with much less number of jobs to be in the OR.

As for Radiology, the biggest expenditure in healthcare is due to imaging costs. Since defensive medicine will not be policed. More physicians order unnecessary CT and MRI studies. What this means is that politicians cut radiology reimbursements. Go to google and type reimbursement cuts in radiology for 2009 and 2010 up to 40%.

Let's face it. In the 80's and early 90's the kings of the salary parade were Surgeons and Pathologists. People in Radiology and Anesthesiology could not find jobs at that time.

In the late 90's and early 2000's Radiology and Anesthesiology peaked with high salaries. Now reimbursement and competition will bring them back to the pack with Surgery in salary with increase number of work hours. Radiologists average 57 hours a week by the way.

The key is to figure out future trends and try to catch a specialty before it hits big. My money is on Neurology and Oncology to replace Radiology and Anesthesiology at the top echelon of the salary rung. The reason is that these two specialties are at the beginning of their cycle. Brain MRIs and Brain CTS will be read by all Neurologists in the near future. MRI fellowships are sprouting out for Neurology fellows everywhere. Plus, interventional neurology is at the beginning of the cycle where interventional cardiology existed in the early 80's. As for oncology, new cancer drugs, new radiation treatments will increase revenue as molecular target drugs come out to market.

Think about all of the AOA students in the 80's and 90's that matched into Sugery and Pathology in the 80's that hate their career. Same thing will happen to Rads and Gas.

Choosing a specialty based on high income is the dumbest thing you can do because politicians target the top specialties.

If you still want to catch a specialty on the rise. Neurology and Oncology have the brightest future for the next 20 years.

They are like GOOGLE IPO stock on the first day of trading. Buying Rads and Gas now is like buying MSFT stock right now (i.e. it is too late for appreciation but it has high PR).

If I was a 1st year medical student and I wanted to chase money and lifestyle. I would target Rad Onc, Heme Onc, and Neurology.

Radiology and Anesthesiology have passed their golden age.
 
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That's the dumbest reason to not like a radiologist/give respect to them.

Do you have a better reason? Personally I don't disrespect people unless they disrespect me, but I can see why people would look down on diagnostic radiologists and I'm sure you can too.
 
The key is to figure out future trends and try to catch a specialty before it hits big. My money is on Neurology and Oncology to replace Radiology and Anesthesiology at the top echelon of the salary rung. The reason is that these two specialties are at the beginning of their cycle. .
CHA-CHING
CHA-CHING
CHA-CHING:laugh:
 
I'm surprised everyone is saying anesthesiologists and radiologists are at the bottom of this prestige/respect idea in the hospital. Did you forget about pathologists? They're MD too.

Based on my hospital experience, the surgeons, any of them from CT to gall bladder guy, definitely consider their self the most respectable. It definitely depends on the person if I respect them, how they behave and treat people, I then see 'what' they are, just my opinion of course.
 
Okay, but that's from personal experience. You're near ****ty cardiologists, which is why you deal with that.

I never said they were ****ty. I said they never answered their pages. Not necessarily the same thing (although they can certainly coexist in the same person).
 
Pay goes in cycles. It is utterly stupid to go into Anesthesiology or Radiology for money.

Read the Anesthesiology forum and read about the threat of CRNAs. The fact is that 1/3 of the states do not require a CRNA to be overseen by an Anesthesiologist in 2010 with close to all 50 states in the next 5 years. Ask any Gas attending about this.

Sure Anesthesiology will continue to succceed but the number of jobs will be sliced by a large amount because there are a fixed number of jobs and a greater concentration will go to CRNAs. Gas men will be more supervisory with much less number of jobs to be in the OR.

As for Radiology, the biggest expenditure in healthcare is due to imaging costs. Since defensive medicine will not be policed. More physicians order unnecessary CT and MRI studies. What this means is that politicians cut radiology reimbursements. Go to google and type reimbursement cuts in radiology for 2009 and 2010 up to 40%.

Let's face it. In the 80's and early 90's the kings of the salary parade were Surgeons and Pathologists. People in Radiology and Anesthesiology could not find jobs at that time.

In the late 90's and early 2000's Radiology and Anesthesiology peaked with high salaries. Now reimbursement and competition will bring them back to the pack with Surgery in salary with increase number of work hours. Radiologists average 57 hours a week by the way.

The key is to figure out future trends and try to catch a specialty before it hits big. My money is on Neurology and Oncology to replace Radiology and Anesthesiology at the top echelon of the salary rung. The reason is that these two specialties are at the beginning of their cycle. Brain MRIs and Brain CTS will be read by all Neurologists in the near future. MRI fellowships are sprouting out for Neurology fellows everywhere. Plus, interventional neurology is at the beginning of the cycle where interventional cardiology existed in the early 80's. As for oncology, new cancer drugs, new radiation treatments will increase revenue as molecular target drugs come out to market.

Think about all of the AOA students in the 80's and 90's that matched into Sugery and Pathology in the 80's that hate their career. Same thing will happen to Rads and Gas.

Choosing a specialty based on high income is the dumbest thing you can do because politicians target the top specialties.

If you still want to catch a specialty on the rise. Neurology and Oncology have the brightest future for the next 20 years.

They are like GOOGLE IPO stock on the first day of trading. Buying Rads and Gas now is like buying MSFT stock right now (i.e. it is too late for appreciation but it has high PR).

If I was a 1st year medical student and I wanted to chase money and lifestyle. I would target Rad Onc, Heme Onc, and Neurology.

Radiology and Anesthesiology have passed their golden age.
Stop spreading misinformation. Radiology is on the rise.
 
Never heard a bad word about neurosurgery as a whole. There is one neurosurgeon in my hospital who the nurses bad mouth a bit. The reason being he is way too energetic. I thought it was pretty hilarious that they were complaining about him having too much energy when he hadn't been home in 3 days.

People who aren't directly involved with him and his constant redbull like high respect him and neurosurgery a ton.
 
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