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I am hoping a few of you might have some advice or thoughts about what I may be missing. 🙂

First, I am pretty new to pursuing medicine as a career. I have spent several years working in direct care. During that time I was attending college for English/Teaching. It seemed like an easy choice. I love english, I love reading. Why not teach others? Becoming a teacher was considered quite a reach for people in my family. No one, prior to me has attended college. So teaching was truly the most prestigous, glamorous job for me to pursue. Becoming a doctor wasn't something "we" did. Despite the fact that every member in my family is now or has been in medicine to some degree, such as EMT, CNA, direct care. All that and my family still thinks I am insane for looking at med school. It's this whole mentality that this is far too lofty a goal, for "people like us". Despite all of this, I know I am going in exactly the right direction and I have excellent support from my husband. My mom is coming around.

The issues at hand. I had a very laidback idea about college. My first attempt was at 18 years old. I began classes only to leave school 2 months or so into the semester. I did not drop any of the classes. A few withdrew me for non-attendance. I received a D in one class, somehow?! My next attempt was a few years later at community college. I passed every english and humanities course with flying colors. I then withdrew from a full semeter of courses, was placed on academic probation and went back the next semester to do a half @$$ed job. With a 2.5 I began another school the following year. I started strong, then we experienced a horrible financial situation and I dropped my courses. So... *Yeah, it's terrible. I have a 2.5 and a load of attempted courses. Until recently, I had no idea that attempted courses made it more difficult to raise my gpa. I wasn't proud of my withdraw history, certainly, but I had no idea it had a gpa affect.*I can get this gpa up. I have attemtped no sciences so that portion of things is still good. The thing I am trying to figure out is how and when to proceed.

As I stated above, I am in direct care. It pays poorly, very poorly. My husband works a basic deli job making very little. He will return to college this fall and has two-ish years to finish his teaching degree. At that point, provided he can find employment quickly, we will be in a far different financial situation.

I have a few options: continue working poor paying job and begin pre-med track in Spring 2013 while husband also attends school. With both of us working and financial aid, we'll be just making ends meet. This barely making it will continue for the next at least 2 1/2 years. But, I'll be that much closer to med school.
OR
I can pursue an LPN license. By August 2013, I can sit for the LPN exam and look for a position. I will be making between $8 to $12 more per hour. I can then return to university to finish up my bachelors and improve my gpa. It sets me back a year, but puts me in a better financial situation.

The things that worry me about option two are that I'm not getting any younger. I'll be 27 in september. With something like 3 years of undergrad the youngest I'll be when attending med school is 31. If I push it another year, I'll be that much older. This is a concern because, the top interest on my list is neurosurgery. From my understanding that's about 11 years med school and residency combined. I'll be 43 years old before I get moving along. *sigh* That is a long wait. But one or two years isn't going to make a tremendous difference, right? Also, I worry about what adcoms will think. Will I look too floundery and unfocused? Will I have a chance to explain that I took the process in steps, for financial reasons? Would I even want to mention that?

Bah, what would you do? Is there some other way you might suggest? Not going MD isn't an option! I will push and work as hard as I need to to see this through. So, please, keep in mind I am not interested in reconsidering my MD choice. Thanks in advance. 😀
 
don't worry about your age as far as going to med school and when you finish. I'm 41 and I'm starting med school this year.

but don't have your heart set on any specialty before you even start your journey. especially one like neurosurgery! That's like saying "I want to study physics cause I want to be an astronaut". I saw a report on attrition among neurosurgery residents. one of the top factors was "age higher than 29 when starting residency". if you can't see yourself in any other field of medicine than neurosurgery, then you should probably reconsider going into medicine at all.
 
don't worry about your age as far as going to med school and when you finish. I'm 41 and I'm starting med school this year.

but don't have your heart set on any specialty before you even start your journey. especially one like neurosurgery! That's like saying "I want to study physics cause I want to be an astronaut". I saw a report on attrition among neurosurgery residents. one of the top factors was "age higher than 29 when starting residency". if you can't see yourself in any other field of medicine than neurosurgery, then you should probably reconsider going into medicine at all.

It's not my end all be all. I have quite an interest in the field, but am completely open. I am also fascinated by oncology, as terrible as that sounds. And I have high interest in anesthesiology. I joke that I'll probably fall in love with something way left field for me.
👍 Kudos for making the career change by the way. Sometimes, I think the next year of life always seems like the oldest to me. It's a mindset I am trying hard to change.
 
It's not my end all be all. I have quite an interest in the field, but am completely open. I am also fascinated by oncology, as terrible as that sounds. And I have high interest in anesthesiology. I joke that I'll probably fall in love with something way left field for me.
👍 Kudos for making the career change by the way. Sometimes, I think the next year of life always seems like the oldest to me. It's a mindset I am trying hard to change.

I believe having something sexy, like Neurosurgery, or oncology in my case is a great carrot to dangle in front of your own nose when you start to forget why you need to study so hard in the pre-reqs/upper level science/Mcat. So what if you can't "picture" yourself doing anything else right now. What you picture can change, just like your dreams and desires. If neurosurgery is what motivates you, run with it.

*disclaimer, obviously if you would REFUSE to be anything other than a neurosurgeon then yes, medicine may not be a great place for you. But it doesn't sound like that's the case here, and usually in my experience isn't the case with most pre-med non-trads.
 
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Attempted classes have a minimal affect on your GPA, especially as a non-trad. They're a bigger problem for the more traditional student. The assumption is that was stupid kid **** and you're older and wiser now and are ready to be serious. With that 2.5, how many CR do you have? If it's not too much, what classes and grades did you get specifically in that time? Info like that can help us with advice.

On the age thing, I'm 38 and have three years to go, so I'm hoping to matriculate at 41. You can find stories of people starting med school in their 50s. You obviously can't do anything about how old you are, so focus on the things you can change.
 
Attempted classes have a minimal affect on your GPA, especially as a non-trad. They're a bigger problem for the more traditional student. The assumption is that was stupid kid **** and you're older and wiser now and are ready to be serious. With that 2.5, how many CR do you have? If it's not too much, what classes and grades did you get specifically in that time? Info like that can help us with advice.

On the age thing, I'm 38 and have three years to go, so I'm hoping to matriculate at 41. You can find stories of people starting med school in their 50s. You obviously can't do anything about how old you are, so focus on the things you can change.

I have 28 completed credit hours and a 2.69 gpa. All of that is gen ed and english electives. So things like sociology, speech, basic and advanced english courses, history. I have not taken any science or math courses. I don't have my transcripts in front of me but student records had no problem telling me the above info. (Must get transcripts.)
 
At the extreme end, 90 credits of As would bring that up to a 3.69. 60 credits of As and 30 of Bs would be a 3.43. The fact that none of them are science classes is a huge point in your favor, as you can take the pre-reqs and rock the hell out of them and end up with a decent cGPA and an amazing sGPA. You're nowhere near the point of no return for grade redemption, let alone past it. You can do this, and do it well. Start slower-two maybe three classes and make sure you destroy them, whatever it takes for that to happen for you. Slowly ramp up from there-once you get an idea of what you can handle, stick within those limits and you should have no issues.
 
At the extreme end, 90 credits of As would bring that up to a 3.69. 60 credits of As and 30 of Bs would be a 3.43. The fact that none of them are science classes is a huge point in your favor, as you can take the pre-reqs and rock the hell out of them and end up with a decent cGPA and an amazing sGPA. You're nowhere near the point of no return for grade redemption, let alone past it. You can do this, and do it well. Start slower-two maybe three classes and make sure you destroy them, whatever it takes for that to happen for you. Slowly ramp up from there-once you get an idea of what you can handle, stick within those limits and you should have no issues.

Thank you! 😀 It's nice to hear. Can I ask how you calculate the gpa and what I would need to get it up? I know there are calculators for this, probably linked somewhere on here I'd imagine, but I don't know where to find them. I've got loads of determination and a vague plan. I'd like to have a much more detailed step by step plan for myself, so that I can keep it all in line.

Would the LPN courses help boost my gpa? It makes sense to me to take the year of courses to help make a better wage while I am on my journey and if could contribute to the 60+ credits, that would be a bonus.
 
I just did the math: [(29CR*2.69)+(60*4.00)+(30*3.00)]/118

LPN makes sense from a financial perspective (in that you would be trained to work in a decent paying job) and would probably add to your cGPA. There are some programs that are technical certificate programs, however, and those would not-make sure you get into something that is degree granting if you want the courses included in your GPA. You'll find that you likely end up taking a lot of repeat-type courses, however. IE: Most nursing programs require one semester of Chemistry, but it's not cross-compatible with the Chem you need for med school, so you end up taking extra.
 
I just did the math: [(29CR*2.69)+(60*4.00)+(30*3.00)]/118

LPN makes sense from a financial perspective (in that you would be trained to work in a decent paying job) and would probably add to your cGPA. There are some programs that are technical certificate programs, however, and those would not-make sure you get into something that is degree granting if you want the courses included in your GPA. You'll find that you likely end up taking a lot of repeat-type courses, however. IE: Most nursing programs require one semester of Chemistry, but it's not cross-compatible with the Chem you need for med school, so you end up taking extra.
Minor correction, 29+60+30 = 119, not 118. Makes a small difference in the GPA (3.43 vs 3.46)
 
I just did the math: [(29CR*2.69)+(60*4.00)+(30*3.00)]/118

LPN makes sense from a financial perspective (in that you would be trained to work in a decent paying job) and would probably add to your cGPA. There are some programs that are technical certificate programs, however, and those would not-make sure you get into something that is degree granting if you want the courses included in your GPA. You'll find that you likely end up taking a lot of repeat-type courses, however. IE: Most nursing programs require one semester of Chemistry, but it's not cross-compatible with the Chem you need for med school, so you end up taking extra.

Ah, math the old fashioned way. :scared: :laugh:

Thanks again!
 
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