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Okay, so I am applying to med schools for fall of 2011 after taking a year off from college. I have a 32 mcat and a 3.7 undergrad GPA. I have a lot of volunteer experience both clinical and non-clinical as well as research experience. However, my job "for money" during a good part of college and after was working as a stripper. Because I worked in a good-paying job like that I was able to work less hours and fit in volunteer time and school, otherwise I would be working 40 hrs a week or more in a retail job and little time for volunteering or school work. I have serious reservations about putting this job on a med school application, but how can I explain being from an incredibly disadvantaged background (my parents were poor and I was on scholarship) but not working a real (paid) job all through college? Should I lie and say I was a waitress there instead? Will they consider any kind of work at a strip club a moral transgression and bar me from even interviewing? Please help!
 
No need to take unnecessary risks w/ your career. Go with the waitress option.

When in doubt, play it safe.
 
will they think that even working there at all is seedy? should I lie and put waitress somewhere else at the risk they will call the place and check?
 
I'd use a generic synonym for stripper or dancer or entertainer and put that in instead. IMO you should not lie outright because your job makes you a unique applicant. There aren't that many strippers with a 3.7/32. Ask njbmd, she's on an adcom.
 
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Many people on these forums are very open-minded and might tell you its a good idea. Although adcoms claim to be open-minded, lets be honest it, it probably won't fly with them.
I second the motion to call it something else less... morally judged?
 
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So I guess at the heart of my question, what I really want to know is how much they investigate your credentials that are listed on your AMCAS application. Do they call all your employers and volunteer places? Do they just verify that you were there or ask any specific questions about your position or performance? I would imagine they would do this with LORs and school stuff but do they do it for work and volunteer related jobs too? I do not want to lie, but if I can change the job title or even exact name of the place where I worked it will probably help cover up the possible moral qualms anyone would have with it...
 
kabayeva said:
So I guess at the heart of my question, what I really want to know is how much they investigate your credentials that are listed on your AMCAS application. Do they call all your employers and volunteer places? Do they just verify that you were there or ask any specific questions about your position or performance? I would imagine they would do this with LORs and school stuff but do they do it for work and volunteer related jobs too? I do not want to lie, but if I can change the job title or even exact name of the place where I worked it will probably help cover up the possible moral qualms anyone would have with it...
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when you are accepted, many schools will conduct a background check. on your amcas application you'll see that there is a section where you are made aware of the particular schools you are applying to that require a CBC prior to matriculation. things generally checked into during a CBC are employment verification, criminal record, background information pertaining to where you last lived, etc. your schools will definitely find out that you lied and may choose to rescind that acceptance.
 
I actually dated a girl years ago that did exactly what you have done.

Do NOT put it down that you worked as a stripper.....trust me here!!

She had a "regular" job she put down. Like a waitress or something.

She was got in and is about done with residency with NO loans too!!


PM me if you want more info.....
 
jla314 said:
when you are accepted, many schools will conduct a background check. on your amcas application you'll see that there is a section where you are made aware of the particular schools you are applying to that require a CBC prior to matriculation. things generally checked into during a CBC are employment verification, criminal record, background information pertaining to where you last lived, etc. your schools will definitely find out that you lied and may choose to rescind that acceptance.
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Do you get an actual paycheck though?

Or is it just money from the guys and you tip the establishment for them "letting" you do your thing there.

That might not show....

Did you have any other job while in school? I would not put it down unless the name of the place does not sound like a strip club and you can make it look like you were just a waitress....
 
I dunno, sometimes people who say they play an instrument end up having to perform at their interviews... I'd be a little worried about telling them I was a stripper
 
VillageShaman said:
Many people on these forums are very open-minded and might tell you its a good idea. Although adcoms claim to be open-minded, lets be honest it, it probably won't fly with them.
I second the motion to call it something else less... morally judged?
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this guy is right...You don't need to risk it, just leave it out of your application.

edit: I just realized you needed to report some sort of work experience. that's tough...you can't lie about where you worked, because that could lead to serious consequences. I guess the best would be to report you were a hostess/waitress at the place (hopefully the name of the joint is discrete).
 
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armybound said:
I dunno, sometimes people who say they play an instrument end up having to perform at their interviews... I'd be a little worried about telling them I was a stripper
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Really? I'm assuming that's mostly piano, and the adcoms don't just keep a whole band closet in the off chance that someone plays the valve trombrone....
 
westeastmount said:
Really? I'm assuming that's mostly piano, and the adcoms don't just keep a whole band closet in the off chance that someone plays the valve trombrone....
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adcoms are people too, they might have hobbies that overlap with yours. people are paired up sometimes. I've heard of cello, accordian, and guitar also being played.
 
say waitress or hostess and the name of the establishment. I'd hope that the adcoms would be too embarrassed to ask "wait isn't that a strip club?" on the off chance they were wrong. But if someone calls you on it, have your story ready
 
For every adcom member who would be horrified, there is another who would like to meet you. 😉 List it and go with dancer or performer. The criminal background check is limited, as far as I know, to actual criminal activity of the type that would be on file with the State Police or the FBI. It is very rar to have an adcom verify what is listed in the experience section. However, if you are asked in an interview and seem clueless then some phone calls may be made to verify that you were indeed engaged in that actvity.
 
kabayeva said:
Okay, so I am applying to med schools for fall of 2011 after taking a year off from college. I have a 32 mcat and a 3.7 undergrad GPA. I have a lot of volunteer experience both clinical and non-clinical as well as research experience. However, my job "for money" during a good part of college and after was working as a stripper. Because I worked in a good-paying job like that I was able to work less hours and fit in volunteer time and school, otherwise I would be working 40 hrs a week or more in a retail job and little time for volunteering or school work. I have serious reservations about putting this job on a med school application, but how can I explain being from an incredibly disadvantaged background (my parents were poor and I was on scholarship) but not working a real (paid) job all through college? Should I lie and say I was a waitress there instead? Will they consider any kind of work at a strip club a moral transgression and bar me from even interviewing? Please help!
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Troll.

Please put this on your application. You'll be surprised how many interviews you get.

Makes me wonder, if you were willing to strip for $, what did you do for $ in the VIP room - put that on your application too.
 
Although adcoms claim to be openminded let us be realistic......They have probably been your customers or they hired you for their party, but they will never admit it. You do not have to lie either just do not mention it. You can explain your disadvantage status and leave out the stripper part not all of us disadvantage applicants wind up being strippers.

i wish I knew you I would ask you for dance tips, because I have no rhythm at all,and your acquired skill would help in my intimate relationships. LOL


Good Luck😍😍😍😍 You will be in med school somewhere
 
Forget about you past ,, u are starting a new future and u r gonna be a doctor. No one want to hear that they accepted a stripper even though u got a good MCAT. What would i suggest is put Cashier, waitress anything but not stripper. Goodluck to u
 
kabayeva said:
Okay, so I am applying to med schools for fall of 2011 after taking a year off from college. I have a 32 mcat and a 3.7 undergrad GPA. I have a lot of volunteer experience both clinical and non-clinical as well as research experience. However, my job "for money" during a good part of college and after was working as a stripper. Because I worked in a good-paying job like that I was able to work less hours and fit in volunteer time and school, otherwise I would be working 40 hrs a week or more in a retail job and little time for volunteering or school work. I have serious reservations about putting this job on a med school application, but how can I explain being from an incredibly disadvantaged background (my parents were poor and I was on scholarship) but not working a real (paid) job all through college? Should I lie and say I was a waitress there instead? Will they consider any kind of work at a strip club a moral transgression and bar me from even interviewing? Please help!
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[Joey Tribbiani] How YOU doin? [/Joey Tribbiani]
 
Would be kind of weird to see you at a strip club. Then see you again the following day for my physical examination at the doctors office. The thought just doesn't play well together.

As many of the other posters eluded to.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Just sayin'
 
This is a joke thread?

If you were really a stripper you don't have to put it down on the app. I worked at Burger King and as a mover back in a day and I did not put it on the application because it did not seem relevant. When background check comes back it's gonna say you worked at a club whatever, but it won't say what your job was and they will ignore it. Unless you have a criminal record that you do not disclose they will not rescind the acceptance.

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There is a far greater risk that you are taking by lying on your application than simply not getting into medical school. I know a physician at our university hospital who is involved with a committee that deals with students, residents, attendings, etc. who have been charged with untrustworthy acts such as lying on an application (whether it be for medical school, residency, a job). I have heard stories of people who lied on an application and didn't get caught in some instances for many years down the road. Let me just tell you that they take issues like this very seriously and even minor misrepresentations can result in a person being dismissed from school, residency, a job, you could even lose your license all over what you thought was a little white lie.

I agree that the likelihood of anything like this happening to you isn't great, however, the point is in the profession of medicine lying on any sort of document or application is never taken lightly. If you would be willing to lie on an application to get into medical school, what else might you be willing to lie about as a doctor?
 
MedMan25 said:
There is a far greater risk that you are taking by lying on your application than simply not getting into medical school. I know a physician at our university hospital who is involved with a committee that deals with students, residents, attendings, etc. who have been charged with untrustworthy acts such as lying on an application (whether it be for medical school, residency, a job). I have heard stories of people who lied on an application and didn't get caught in some instances for many years down the road. Let me just tell you that they take issues like this very seriously and even minor misrepresentations can result in a person being dismissed from school, residency, a job, you could even lose your license all over what you thought was a little white lie.

I agree that the likelihood of anything like this happening to you isn't great, however, the point is in the profession of medicine lying on any sort of document or application is never taken lightly. If you would be willing to lie on an application to get into medical school, what else might you be willing to lie about as a doctor?
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+1

I wouldn't change your title or the like, which leaves you with two options:

1) Put it down and hope for the best.

2) Leave it off your application.

Personally I would go with the latter. Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it goes.
 
jla314 said:
when you are accepted, many schools will conduct a background check. on your amcas application you'll see that there is a section where you are made aware of the particular schools you are applying to that require a CBC prior to matriculation. things generally checked into during a CBC are employment verification, criminal record, background information pertaining to where you last lived, etc. your schools will definitely find out that you lied and may choose to rescind that acceptance.
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Nonsense. They will not find out about anything other than a criminal record.
 
Honestly true story, there was a guy a couple years ahead of me in med school who stripped before (and I think also possibly during) school, everyone knew about it, he even did a mock "performance" at our year-end follies. He was highly involved with things like AAMC and AMA, graduated, and even scored a residency. All while wearing a banana hammock under his scrubs. (Ok, I'm not sure that's true.)

So yes, it happens. Granted, this was at a West-coast school, and you can chalk it up to our lax values over here if you want, but he made it. Know that you may not get as many interviews in the south, but perhaps that's best?
 
dru2002 said:
+1

I wouldn't change your title or the like, which leaves you with two options:

1) Put it down and hope for the best.

2) Leave it off your application.

Personally I would go with the latter. Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it goes.
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Leaving it off your application would be a waste of a life experience that has obviously shaped your outlook.

You had to overcome handicaps of financial dilemmas.

These were the steps that you did to help rectify this disadvantage:

1. blah,blah,blah
2. blah,blah,blah
3. etc.

Definitely if you can spin it in a good way and use other adjectives rather than erotic dancer or stripper use it to your advantage.Dancing naked never hurt anybody.

I do it all the time, ableit in the shower ... and no one pays me, unfortunately.
 
dru2002 said:
+1

I wouldn't change your title or the like, which leaves you with two options:

1) Put it down and hope for the best.

2) Leave it off your application.

Personally I would go with the latter. Good luck and let us know what you decide and how it goes.
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+1 for not putting it on the app. Even if I were REALLY a waitress throughout undergrad, I don't think I would have even put it on the application. Thats is, I'm assuming you have other extracurricular activities to include such as shadowing, research, volunteering, etc. If not, I'd be more worried about that than whether or not to include stripping as work experience.
 
BassCaster said:
+1 for not putting it on the app. Even if I were REALLY a waitress throughout undergrad, I don't think I would have even put it on the application. Thats is, I'm assuming you have other extracurricular activities to include such as shadowing, research, volunteering, etc. If not, I'd be more worried about that than whether or not to include stripping as work experience.
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BassCaster, I would have to politely disagree here.

I worked part time as a waiter for a while and it's definitely going into my work history. The food industry has it's parallels with patient satisfaction. I would expand but I'll let your imagination do that for me.
 
BassCaster said:
+1 for not putting it on the app. Even if I were REALLY a waitress throughout undergrad, I don't think I would have even put it on the application. Thats is, I'm assuming you have other extracurricular activities to include such as shadowing, research, volunteering, etc. If not, I'd be more worried about that than whether or not to include stripping as work experience.
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Actually, it's usually a good thing to include employment. It shows that you are multi-tasking and still doing well.
 
Slowpoke said:
Leaving it off your application would be a waste of a life experience that has obviously shaped your outlook.

You had to overcome handicaps of financial dilemmas.

These were the steps that you did to help rectify this disadvantage:

1. blah,blah,blah
2. blah,blah,blah
3. etc.

Definitely if you can spin it in a good way and use other adjectives rather than erotic dancer or stripper use it to your advantage.Dancing naked never hurt anybody.

I do it all the time, ableit in the shower ... and no one pays me, unfortunately.
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I see your point, but why take the chance? Not that there's anything wrong w/ stripping, but all it takes is one 40 year old, conservative lady to gloss over her primary app and put it on the bottom of the pile.
 
TheProwler said:
Actually, it's usually a good thing to include employment. It shows that you are multi-tasking and still doing well.
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I'm sorry! I don't know why I forgot there was an employment section on the app. I kept thinking about extracurricular activities. In that case, yes I did list my employment history. My mistake.

BUT, i still stand by my not listing stripping as a precaution. As I said it only takes 1 conservative person to judge you.
 
BassCaster said:
I'm sorry! I don't know why I forgot there was an employment section on the app. I kept thinking about extracurricular activities. In that case, yes I did list my employment history. My mistake.

BUT, i still stand by my not listing stripping as a precaution. As I said it only takes 1 conservative person to judge you.
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Agreed, but for every conservative there is just as likely as a liberal floating about. Though I would not take my chances with Loma Linda or Tulane or any other religous based schools.

But regardless, Adcoms are not suppose to judge you on your background, race, sex or religous affiliations. if he or she was put in a position where the only answer to make ends meet and do all the pre-med stuff was stripping, it certainly shouldn't be used against her. Furthermore, that Conversative fellow might just look at the application even closer as how often do they come across these kinds of things.
 
Please whoever you are do not put any accidental clues to who you are on this site. I know two schools for a fact with admission directors that follow these threads, and it is not difficult to find out who the person is through clues. Again all you need is an Adcom woman that lost her husband or her bank account becuase of her husband's expensive habit, and there goes your acceptance. Also do you want people picturing you naked when you are the student or classmate? I am proud of you for doing what is needed to survive, but stick with the omit idea, do not lie because lies can come back to haunt you. Now if you are applying in TX there application wants to know everything you did in the last 10 years then you have no choice but to put it, but AMCAS lets you put what you want🙂
 
Leave it off your app!! Was that really your one and only job?? However you spin it, you will be taking a major risk. And besides, AMCAS lets you pick and choose what activities you want to showcase in your application
 
Slowpoke said:
But regardless, Adcoms are not suppose to judge you on your background, race, sex or religous affiliations. if he or she was put in a position where the only answer to make ends meet and do all the pre-med stuff was stripping, it certainly shouldn't be used against her. Furthermore, that Conversative fellow might just look at the application even closer as how often do they come across these kinds of things.
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Adcoms do things they are not supposed to do all the time. Have you ever spoken to any really conservative people? I can guarantee you that if any of them is on the committee and finds out about this job they will try to make sure that applicant does not end up getting in to that school.
 
wanderer100 said:
Adcoms do things they are not supposed to do all the time. Have you ever spoken to any really conservative people? I can guarantee you that if any of them is on the committee and finds out about this job they will try to make sure that applicant does not end up getting in to that school.
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I am aware that sometimes rules are bent. Though, I hardly think if the experience was spun in the right fashion, and there was a lesson to be learned from it then it is not something to be ashamed of. Sometimes life throws you curveballs, and if Adcoms can't understand the nature of having to deal with real life issues then maybe they shouldn't be considered for a seat on the counsel.

Real people get into real problems sometimes.

That is all that I am saying, I am not saying that "stripping" is right or supporting it. Just that the experience itself is worth mentioning if you can do it correctly.
 
Slowpoke said:
I am aware that sometimes rules are bent. Though, I hardly think if the experience was spun in the right fashion, and there was a lesson to be learned from it then it is not something to be ashamed of. Sometimes life throws you curveballs, and if Adcoms can't understand the nature of having to deal with real life issues then maybe they shouldn't be considered for a seat on the counsel.

Real people get into real problems sometimes.

That is all that I am saying, I am not saying that "stripping" is right or supporting it. Just that the experience itself is worth mentioning if you can do it correctly.
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The margin for error is incredibly large for this. In the end, it's a gamble. No one would think twice about adding a waitress position, but there is a large debate on here about the efficacy of stripping. Without passing judgment at all, my best advice is to leave it off.
 
Slowpoke said:
I am aware that sometimes rules are bent. Though, I hardly think if the experience was spun in the right fashion, and there was a lesson to be learned from it then it is not something to be ashamed of. Sometimes life throws you curveballs, and if Adcoms can't understand the nature of having to deal with real life issues then maybe they shouldn't be considered for a seat on the counsel.

Real people get into real problems sometimes.

That is all that I am saying, I am not saying that "stripping" is right or supporting it. Just that the experience itself is worth mentioning if you can do it correctly.
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All I'm saying is that for a very (socially) conservative person, there is no right reason for being a stripper (unless it was something that person had only done in the distant past). I'd hope that there wouldn't be any of these people on adcoms, but something tells me that that is only wishful thinking.
 
wanderer100 said:
All I'm saying is that for a very (socially) conservative person, there is no right reason for being a stripper (unless it was something that person had only done in the distant past). I'd hope that there wouldn't be any of these people on adcoms, but something tells me that that is only wishful thinking.
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For some reason I keep picturing a member of the admissions committee proposing a field trip to a local strip club to see what life as a stripper is really like :laugh:. I'm nearly certain that admissions committee meetings are not nearly as funny as I imagine them, though. However, I've never been to a strip club, so I bet at least a few people on admissions committees have not either.
 
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