Students using Adderall and Cocaine to study

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swolebrah said:
I'm surprised nobody brought up provigil abuse yet. I'm assuming because of the high price tag...it's not as common.
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I run a complex regimen of modafinil, methylphenidate, piracetam, pramiracetam, amphetamine, caffeine, taurine, nicotine, panax ginseng, ginkgo biloba, fish oil, phosphatidyl serine, CDP choline, huperzine A, donepezil, and kava/melatonin to sleep.
 
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I run a complex regimen of modafinil, methylphenidate, piracetam, pramiracetam, amphetamine, caffeine, taurine, nicotine, panax ginseng, ginkgo biloba, fish oil, phosphatidyl serine, CDP choline, huperzine A, donepezil, and kava/melatonin to sleep.
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A noop's fan I see. Pretty hefty stack lol
 
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:whistle:Adderall and ritalin sound problematic. Just eat veggies.
 
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Serous Demilune said:
You are, pale ales are gross.
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Depends. I agree with you for most of them, but sometimes I like a good hoppy beer. Most of the time, I'm a black and tan guy nowadays.
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Have you optimized your black : tan ratio to best aid your studies?
 
Lotion_Hands said:
Here is my take on adderall as a current med student who has a prescription. I'm one of the people who gets 90+ on all of my exams and honors all of my classes, is at the top of the class etc. But, I have a friend who recently dropped out of medical school because he was failing, and he take 30mg XR and 20mg IR every day aka 50mg a day. 50mg a day is a ****load (I take between 10-20 ir a day).

I guess what I'm trying to say is adderall doesn't magically make you smart, or give you a 260+. In my opinion it just maximizes the level of "smartness" you were born with. Honestly without adderall I would most likely get all honors anyways, it just makes me more efficient and I waste less time being distracted.

If you are failing school, it may take you up to barely passing, and if you have 89% in all your classes it may give you that bump to a 90%. But it doesn't make people all of a sudden honor everything and become a dermatologist at harvard.
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I second the experience with failing adderall abusers. Some of the worst students I know in my school take it.
 
Lotion_Hands said:
Here is my take on adderall as a current med student who has a prescription. I'm one of the people who gets 90+ on all of my exams and honors all of my classes, is at the top of the class etc. But, I have a friend who recently dropped out of medical school because he was failing, and he take 30mg XR and 20mg IR every day aka 50mg a day. 50mg a day is a ****load (I take between 10-20 ir a day).

I guess what I'm trying to say is adderall doesn't magically make you smart, or give you a 260+. In my opinion it just maximizes the level of "smartness" you were born with. Honestly without adderall I would most likely get all honors anyways, it just makes me more efficient and I waste less time being distracted.

If you are failing school, it may take you up to barely passing, and if you have 89% in all your classes it may give you that bump to a 90%. But it doesn't make people all of a sudden honor everything and become a dermatologist at harvard.
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where have i heard this before
 
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Adderall won't magically make you want to study. It'll just make you focus on something. Like staring at your desk. Never heard of anyone using coke to study.
 
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fancymylotus said:
Okay now you're making me feel old, because I started in 2003. Ugh, thanks.
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Only a few years difference. At least you are practicing your craft instead of being a student for numerous years to come.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
Only a few years difference. At least you are practicing your craft instead of being a student for numerous years to come.
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That's coz I wanted to go travel the world and find myself and meet cute boys when I graduated....
Till my dad told me I could either find myself in med school or find myself in dental school, and to get my head out of the clouds.

wasted my 20's in school, could have been hanging out on various beaches across the world, and now I'm old and boring. ><
 
Aforementioned dad has left the country for the homeland for a month and left yours truly in charge of the business

First rule of the month, no patients for me before 10am....waiting till he calls and figures out what I'm up to, I'm sure I'll get a lecture about being irresponsible but whatever, I'm tired and I hate mornings.
 
giantswing said:
My worst nightmare

My worst fear is operating on someone who has a strung out, asleep at the helm ansthesia resident at the head who may or may not be sneaking hits while I'm trying to work. That's what i picture with this person.
I did talk to an administrator. Don't know if anything came of it.
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William Stewart Halsted, arguably the father of modern surgery, was addicted to cocaine and would operate high as chief at Hopkins. Then he tried to kick his coke habit with morphine.
 
Rirruto said:
William Stewart Halsted, arguably the father of modern surgery, was addicted to cocaine and would operate high as chief at Hopkins. Then he tried to kick his coke habit with morphine.
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This sounds like a brilliant idea. Although I would take Nutella over cocaine and morphine any day..😀
 
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William Stewart Halsted, arguably the father of modern surgery, was addicted to cocaine and would operate high as chief at Hopkins. Then he tried to kick his coke habit with morphine.
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Lol, isn't there a paper written in an entire sentence by a famous guy who did a lot of coke? I had an awesome attending who was about a million years old who would spout random medical facts instead of rounding. Loved him.
Still, the guy I'm referring to ain't going to be going anywhere ground breaking fast.
 
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Lol, isn't there a paper written in an entire sentence by a famous guy who did a lot of coke? I had an awesome attending who was about a million years old who would spout random medical facts instead of rounding. Loved him.
Still, the guy I'm referring to ain't going to be going anywhere ground breaking fast.
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Yeah, I think I heard of that. I also like the image of the different spider web patterns when they gave different drugs to the spiders.
 
You have to realize that just about everyone in your class is on something. From No-Doze with pot to roots and herbals that get you soo high that you can't sleep for 3 days to stimulants going up to the exotic stuff, like Nuvigil that costs $1000/month that their doctor Dads prescribe to willing patients that will turn around and get it to their kid in med school, to cocaine and meth if they can break a deal with their dealer. How many practicing docs DO NOT see this crowd on a regular basis?

Get evaluated and stabilized on something by a psychiatrist before you go to school. Most doctors that know you're accepted or in med school will have a pretty low threshold for giving you the best for your situation. When you hit med school, just set yourself up with a doc that's on your new insurance and he will probably give you the same thing. That way you're ready for med school without having to resort to the really hard stuff. Like the above poster, the complications from the "responsible users" of cocaine, triple-dose stimulants or meth are indeed pretty low if you just use some nasal irrigation once a day. If you roll a "Primo" with some of the above, however, plan on waking up naked in a phone booth wrapped in TP or a garbage bag a few hours later and that day is a wrap.

I've got all the licenses, including DEA and have learned that you should hear what their story is and cold turkey for anything is malpractice, so you have to compassionately low them to other opiods and low potency stimulants or noopept as slowly as you can to make the chance of relapse, and them hating you, really low.

Gimp, cough cough, out.
 
JGimpel said:
You have to realize that just about everyone in your class is on something. From No-Doze with pot to roots and herbals that get you soo high that you can't sleep for 3 days to stimulants going up to the exotic stuff, like Nuvigil
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So, ehrm...which herbals get you so high you can't sleep for three days? I just want to know so I can advise my patients to avoid such things.
 
I'm not going to offer something to a patient (or several hundred lurkers) that I don't know, but if you want to go deep into the Matrix to learn what your patients are into: erowid and bluelight have taught me so much about the different combos of all kinds of stuff to, in 100% honesty, that my patients are experimenting with so I know how to treat them. You have a 50% chance that you will die quickly if you try any of this stuff, so you've been warned. I have a DEA license and do treat substance abuse if that's a major part of the patient being admitted, so take my advice and never risk your license for a quick high, no matter what it's from.
 
All I am going to say is that for some people, they work incredibly well and it can turn them into a studying machine. Vyvanse works really well for some people too.

However, you can get your 260+, AOA, Honors in Surgery and IM without them
 
A 4th year from the bottom 3rd pulled a 270 something on his USMLE from using Adderall for the boards. Didn't touch it before then. He has been interviewing for NeuroSurg spots this year.
 
That's actually really depressing to think about how competitive Med school has become, that people are willing to ruin their health and lives over it. It's not about studying with each other, helping each other out, reaching a common goal of being able to save lives and provide healthcare to elderly, poor and children. Instead, it's every man for himself.

Do people know how risky that is? COCAINE? First of all, it seems like it'd be more damaging than good, since it's an expensive addiction. How do you have time to pay for that and Med school too? And what will happen when Med school is over and you become an actual Doctor? Scary.


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doc4kids93 said:
That's actually really depressing to think about how competitive Med school has become, that people are willing to ruin their health and lives over it. It's not about studying with each other, helping each other out, reaching a common goal of being able to save lives and provide healthcare to elderly, poor and children. Instead, it's every man for himself.

Do people know how risky that is? COCAINE? First of all, it seems like it'd be more damaging than good, since it's an expensive addiction. How do you have time to pay for that and Med school too? And what will happen when Med school is over and you become an actual Doctor? Scary.


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Why do you keep necrobumping threads that mention addy?
 
Prodromo said:
I doubt this is that prevalent. I'm first in my class in 1st/2nd year. 265+ Step 1 and Step 2. Didn't do any drugs except coffee.

Your friend is just jelly
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Is it possible to do well on Step 1 and Step 2 and consistently go to gym and lift? I really want to lift like 3-5 days a week while in med school but afraid that I might be sacrificing too much time.
 
doc4kids93 said:
That's actually really depressing to think about how competitive Med school has become, that people are willing to ruin their health and lives over it. It's not about studying with each other, helping each other out, reaching a common goal of being able to save lives and provide healthcare to elderly, poor and children. Instead, it's every man for himself.
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LMAO


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doc4kids93 said:
That's actually really depressing to think about how competitive Med school has become, that people are willing to ruin their health and lives over it. It's not about studying with each other, helping each other out, reaching a common goal of being able to save lives and provide healthcare to elderly, poor and children. Instead, it's every man for himself.
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Not at DO schools. We care.
 
Studying? lmao what a waste. Much better uses for cocaine, just sayin
 
Rirruto said:
William Stewart Halsted, arguably the father of modern surgery, was addicted to cocaine and would operate high as chief at Hopkins. Then he tried to kick his coke habit with morphine.
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Is he who The Knick (HBO series?) based their character from?
 
Someone has to be BS'ing you...
Honestly, the ramifications of this are HUGE... ( of course I can and do believe that there are people in med school using Adderall or Ritalin illicitly... just when you consider the high numbers of college kids that use stimulants that weren't prescribed for them there has to be mathematically a fair-sized percentage of people who go on to graduate school and still use these drugs as a crutch BUT's there is a big difference for the individual in grad school for a PhD in art history or philosophy versus someone who is in medical school: as this is a person who is going to be faced with the responsibility of prescribing drugs responsibly (and one of the first ddictate is you don't prescribe anything for yourself .... to already be using controlled substances outside the dictates of the law does NOT bode well for their future ... not speaking of those for whom the Rx was written.... ... this is someone who will have a great deal of trust extended to them by our as society. If they can take drugs not Rx'd for them... how do you think they're going to handle their future responsibilities??? If, they make it through med school what they will face in the future i.e., the normal pressures that come with the life of a surgeon or physician is one that is both continually challenging and filled with a great deal of trust and freedom beyond what is offered most iindividuals in human culture ( this is a global truth: the honor and Trust afforded a cardiologist practicing in San Diego CA is practice practically indistinguishable from that extended to a gastroenterologist practicing in Hyderabad, India. I ask anyone who may read this to please weigh in on your opinion of the following : keeping the trust that our patients afford US and even honor us with is it right for any of us to try to get through school via the illegal use of drugs not prescribed for us?
As far as the supposed Cocaine users???!!! I have a very difficult time believing that this exists in #'s of any significance.... Whoever in their right mind (questionable, if true) would be willing to 1. Summarily be thrown out of school, residency, fellowship... @ whatever stage in the journey they're at AND 2. serve jail time is NOT fit for a future as a "doctor". Also with her rapidly cocaine TAKES control of the user I have even more difficulty believing that this exists greater than 1%.... Any fool willing to take a highly destructive and addictive drug like Cocaine would in a fairly short time frme lose the wherewithal to show up and perform satisfactorily in BOTH the didactic and clinical arenas...and this is expected of us on a DAILY Basis....
Really there's no way I can see this scenario working (having been, done & got the T-shirt years ago)
In my opinion, the ONLY "chemical help" that is ethically acceptable for someone who desires a future life as a physician or a surgeon is Coffee. Unless the individual using Rx meds such as Adderall or Ritalin truly has ADD/ADHD and the Rx is theirs. (wIn any of the other possible scenarios these people are committing criminal acts and sooner or later they'll fall... sadly because of the uniquely high stakes involved in our profession all too often innocent pt's. are harmed when, this is especially true when ethics means little to a person invested with the trust extended to us.
If these Med students think that the pressure of the four years medical school is too much to handle they're in for a very rude awakening once there actual career starts we worked as hard as we are worked during our years of training to get us ready for ocurrir that affords wonderful Rewards butt it is a career filled with challenges and the easiest part of it is actually making it through school.
Another question for those who would care to answer: Would you trust someone to care for you or someone you love, if they had to resort to the use of illegal substances to get through their professional duties?? For example how confident would you feel having a vascular neurosurgeon who's addicted to controlled substances clip or coil a dangerously fragile aneurysm in your brain?
 
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I am a medical school, not just SDN, attending. You can maybe slide with this kind of stuff when you are a student, but be aware of consequences if you get in the habit of any sort of shenanigans once an MD.

Given: patients' health is of course paramount, and good citizens don't break the law.

But state boards are all powerful. They hold us to a higher standard. Case studies of fellow docs, whom I know:

--Tx: doc RX'd bactrim for his wife's uti over a weekend. Cited.

--Tx: doc had a few in residency and punched a stop sign. Cited.

--Ca.: doc (resident) got DUI, state board decided that he could not see a patient alone (not a joke) for ONE YEAR because he could be potentially impaired

--La: doc didn't answer repeated registered letters from the board, threatened with citation

Citation means that 1) you are under scrutiny 2) you must report whenever applying for/ renewing clinical privileges, which happens every 2-5 years.

If you can get in trouble for not answering letters, why on earth would you risk cocaine or unprescribed amphetamines? Now you are not MD's yet, but why risk starting a habit?
 
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