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[Apollyon]

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This is one of those that I am only speaking for our place. We only invite people to interview that we expect to rank. A black ball means that at least one of us has serious questions about maturity, reliability etc. We could be wrong, even with all of the data we've got and 4 interviews, there's still uncertainty.

Other places may do it very differently. Certainly many other EM programs interview far more applicants than we do. They might only rank people that they just feel warm and fuzzy about.

I was not ranked at a NY program because I was an FMG that was not from Sackler, and my not being ranked was directed by the chair (not the PD, who pushed for me).

How do I know? Because I didn't match, and they didn't fill that year. The disrespect of wasting my time for the interview (I could have spent another week in Tahiti) I thought was reprehensible.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Apollyon or BKN,

Im just curious why would a program invite someone if they really dont plan on ranking them. It would seem like a waste of their time, resources and $$$. When I interviewed it seemed like places interviewed between 5-12 people per spot (to ensure they fill their spots). I just dont get why you would invite someone and unless something bad/weird/criminal happened on the interview why they wouldnt at least rank you last.

Just curious!

EF

 

[BKN]

Apollyon or BKN,

Im just curious why would a program invite someone if they really dont plan on ranking them. It would seem like a waste of their time, resources and $$$. When I interviewed it seemed like places interviewed between 5-12 people per spot (to ensure they fill their spots). I just dont get why you would invite someone and unless something bad/weird/criminal happened on the interview why they wouldnt at least rank you last.

Just curious!

EF

Fetus,

I thought I just anwered that? 😕

There might be places that fish and throw back the small ones. We only throw back the boots.

 

[corpsmanUP]

Its obvious, programs rank people they are confident they want to work with the next 3 years. It is not complimentary to mention that you did not get ranked by a program that interviewed you. To me this says they developed some serious reservations about someone after they met them. I can undoubtedly imagine such! Some people are just arrogant pompass a$$es in person even with a good paper app. I was flat out told by several PD's that they were not at all afraid to scramble, and that they were more concerned with finding good people. Just because they interviewed you doesn't mean they HAVE to rank you. The scramble is rather one sided in EM and my guess is unless we are talking about MLK Drew, most programs probably have the luxury of taking their time in the scramble and finding exactly who they want.

 

[Apollyon]

Apollyon or BKN,

Im just curious why would a program invite someone if they really dont plan on ranking them. It would seem like a waste of their time, resources and $$$. When I interviewed it seemed like places interviewed between 5-12 people per spot (to ensure they fill their spots). I just dont get why you would invite someone and unless something bad/weird/criminal happened on the interview why they wouldnt at least rank you last.

Just curious!

EF

The heavily lauded/derided "courtesy interview". I say, from direct evidence, it is NOT the "great equalizer", "your chance to dazzle them", or any other of that happy horse****.

Because the chair wants Harvard and Stanford and Duke (although there was only 1 Duke student this year that did EM). I interviewed with the chief residents who said, "We already know you and like you, so what can we tell you about the program?". I did a month (as a prelim) at Elmhurst and at Mt. Sinai. Scott Weingart told the PD that he could work with me "every day of the week" after I, as the prelim IM intern, tubed the floor code and ran the code until he got there (as was policy, for a senior EM resident to go to all codes).

I should have known something was up when the PD asked me to carry the box with sodas from one area to another, outside in NY in November. I ran into the assistant PD who is the Elmhurst site director at ACEP this past September, and he recognized me immediately. He said he checked the lists after the match to see where I ended up, and I said I didn't match and scrambled into here, and I added "after I wasn't ranked at your place". All he said was "yeah, I know".

Why? So Shelly can tell everyone he went to #15 for his 12 spots, and they're all Ivy-leaguers. The "courtesy interviewees" get their warm fuzzies and don't realized the die is already cast.

And, the final irony is when the program doesn't fill.

 

[irrka]

i'm kind of highly doubting my own maturity. i think it gets worse every year. maybe i'm just hitting senility early.

 

[peksi]

I matched........................................................................in 1996!

I just wanted to feel that buzz again.

Congrats to everyone.

I will personally post the list of our matched class on Thursday...NOT!!! 😀

So, Congrats and best of luck!


Paul

 

[Apollyon]

To me this says they developed some serious reservations about someone after they met them.

This is one possibility, but not the only one. As I said, they already had 2 months of me.

If you ever met this chair (or talked to almost ANYONE who knows him), you would understand.

 

[corpsmanUP]

This is one possibility, but not the only one. As I said, they already had 2 months of me.

If you ever met this chair (or talked to almost ANYONE who knows him), you would understand.

I have to agree that it makes sense what you are saying about the courtesy interview. I think overall though to NOT get ranked by a program after an interview is somewhat rare. I'm sure then you were ranked by all the other programs that interviewed you.

 

[Apollyon]

I have to agree that it makes sense what you are saying about the courtesy interview. I think overall though to NOT get ranked by a program after an interview is somewhat rare. I'm sure then you were ranked by all the other programs that interviewed you.

And I ranked every place I interviewed, and I accepted all invites. And that's what screwed me - 5 total.

 

[Jeff698]

Congratulations, y'all!

Take care,
Jeff

 

[BKN]

The heavily lauded/derided "courtesy interview". I say, from direct evidence, it is NOT the "great equalizer", "your chance to dazzle them", or any other of that happy horse****.

/QUOTE]

We occasionally give "courtesy interviews" and the applicants often end up ranked in the middle of the pack. Several have matched with us. Not to say it isn't still an uphill climb.

 

[Radiohead]

BKN,

For humor's sake, can you give us some examples of what applicants did, who had "good paper", but didn't end up getting ranked. You don't have to include applicants from this cycle, so Corpsman doesn't get embarrassed 😉 .

 

[BKN]

BKN,

For humor's sake, can you give us some examples of what applicants did, who had "good paper", but didn't end up getting ranked. You don't have to include applicants from this cycle, so Corpsman doesn't get embarrassed 😉 .

It varies, not usually all that funny. Some repetitive examples:
1. Flat affect, dull look, apparently taking their meds
2. Hyper, excited, unable to focus, apparently not taking their meds
3. Rude to residents at lunch
4. Rude to waiters at lunch
5. Contacts program coordinator 5 times to ask the same question
6. Very occasionally a real ethical question
In short, personalities that affect like chalk scraping across the blackboard (Oh wait, you guys wouldn't know about that.) In short personalities that affect you like PeeWee Herman (Oh wait. . .nevermind)

BTW, I usually just laugh at the ones who try to tell us how we should run the program, thus Corpsman didn't have a problem.😀

 

[corpsmanUP]

BKN,

For humor's sake, can you give us some examples of what applicants did, who had "good paper", but didn't end up getting ranked. You don't have to include applicants from this cycle, so Corpsman doesn't get embarrassed 😉 .

Hey, we can't all be high functioning Asberger's like Radio !!

 

[southerndoc]

There was one person we interviewed who irritated more than a few residents during the interview day and the pre-interview dinner. He was trashing other programs, and made a comment about one of our residents. That's not cool at all.

 

[8744]

There was one person we interviewed who irritated more than a few residents during the interview day and the pre-interview dinner. He was trashing other programs, and made a comment about one of our residents. That's not cool at all.

Sorry, I was drunk. It wasn't my fault. I have an addiction.

Hold me.

 

[drdrtoledo]

Is it equally as bad if you bust a move on a resident or tell one that they are hot during the interview day? I had to bite my tongue a few times 😉 .

 

[ewells]

Sorry, I was drunk. It wasn't my fault. I have an addiction.

Hold me.

 

[turtle md]

Is it equally as bad if you bust a move on a resident or tell one that they are hot during the interview day? I had to bite my tongue a few times 😉 .

See the link below...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=252542&highlight=residents

Turtle 😀

 

[Red Runner]

I have a good friend who unfortunately had to scramble yesterday. They would make a great ED doc IMO. They did not get more than four interviews because they failed Step I the first time. Passed on second attempt and hit the average on Step II. They choose not to scramble into one of the NYC programs for personal reasons and decided to take a prelim year in Internal Medicine and try again next year (for EM).

So my question is? Do you know of anyone who has not matched in EM, done a transitional year and then matched into EM? What should my friend do besides some EM research to make their application stronger? Personality, grades, life experience were all great - their only black mark was not clearing the hurdle of Step I as cleanly as the rest of us. And, they can't change that fact...

Look forward to your thoughts/stories.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Red Runner,

When I worked at Cook County the PD mentioned how they like to hold a PGY-2 spot for good candidates that they fill late in the process (outside the match). This might mean your friend wouldnt even have to skip a beat. Just a thought and tell them to keep an eye on the SAEM website for openings. Lastly, I believe Panda on this site is a PGY-1 FP resident and is now going into EM (since he matched). I believe there are also residents in other fields. i dont see how doing a TY could be any different, in some ways it could be easier since the PD of his TY program knows he will only be there for a yr.

 

[Red Runner]

Ectopic, Thanks, I will pass it along. They were down at first but have a positive outlook now because they have a plan. Who knows? Maybe they will actually have a better match this way.

Now if I could find something to do for the next 25.5 hours..... 😀

 

[colforbinMD]

Ectopic, Thanks, I will pass it along. They were down at first but have a positive outlook now because they have a plan. Who knows? Maybe they will actually have a better match this way.

Now if I could find something to do for the next 25.5 hours..... 😀

When I interviewed at Miss. I was the ONLY one of the 6 of us that day who didn't at least have one year of pgy-1 and who was acctually interviewing for a spot to begin in 2007 not 2006. They had 2 or 3 pgy-2 spots available to start this year. Also I am pretty sure cowgirlcarrie matched to EM after a year of peds. Condolances to your friend. I had a good friend that sounds similar. I KNOW he would make a good EM doc but managed to fail step 1 once. Did a bit LESS then avg. on step 2. I don't know for certain where he matched but I know he did and would bet money it was at where he did an EM elective. So tell your friend to try and do an away month or two somewhere he is interestd if his pgy-1 program will allow it

 

[ipw21]

A little late, I haven't had access to a computer recently.

 

[mercedes-benzo]

Just got my PGY1 prelim spot too. Ooof. i'm so glad this is over. that was nerve wrecking.

Hey -- how did you find out you matched in a prelim? I ranked two 2-4 programs and know that I have matched but have heard nada about prelims.

Thanks!

 

[colforbinMD]

Hey -- how did you find out you matched in a prelim? I ranked two 2-4 programs and know that I have matched but have heard nada about prelims.

Thanks!

As i understood it..... if you matched pgy-2-4 but not pgy-1 it tells you congrats you matched to an advanced position you did not match on your secondary rank list. If you matched pgy-2-4 AND somewhere for pgy-1 then it just tells you congratulations you matched and you have to wait till tomrrow to learn that it was a 2-4 program.

 

[EctopicFetus]

As i understood it..... if you matched pgy-2-4 but not pgy-1 it tells you congrats you matched to an advanced position you did not match on your secondary rank list. If you matched pgy-2-4 AND somewhere for pgy-1 then it just tells you congratulations you matched and you have to wait till tomrrow to learn that it was a 2-4 program.

Colforbin you are correct my man.. Thats my understanding as well.

 

[colforbinMD]

Colforbin you are correct my man.. Thats my understanding as well.

Wouldn't it be nice if they told us at least which typed of program we matched. But who would ever say NRMP are NICE.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Shoot why would they do that. In some ways it would only make it even more stressful. Then you start playing the mental insanity game in your head. This way you know you are matched and you can relax some! (well not really, but thats what I keep telling myself 🙂)

 

[EctopicFetus]

Im gonna cry the above post was # 3000!!!! GO ME!!

 

[irrka]

i wish i could resist... but i can't. NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA

 

[EctopicFetus]

IRRKA, my friends in HS and college would say.. "point and laugh, point and laugh" HAHAHHAHAHAHA..

*wiping away tears while I ponder all I have accomplished*

 

[irrka]

yeah i think that was a simpsons thing... ah memories... and by request: point and laugh! mwaaahahahaha

 

[8744]

Red Runner,

When I worked at Cook County the PD mentioned how they like to hold a PGY-2 spot for good candidates that they fill late in the process (outside the match). This might mean your friend wouldnt even have to skip a beat. Just a thought and tell them to keep an eye on the SAEM website for openings. Lastly, I believe Panda on this site is a PGY-1 FP resident and is now going into EM (since he matched). I believe there are also residents in other fields. i dont see how doing a TY could be any different, in some ways it could be easier since the PD of his TY program knows he will only be there for a yr.

Unfortunately, I ranked one IM program at the bottom of my list as a last-ditch back-up against the possibility of having to scramble, not getting an EM spot, and having to settle for an IM spot somewhere where I don't want to go. (I scrambled last year and if I can't get EM this year after seven interviews last year and nine this year then something is wrong with me and it's time to cut my losses.)

So I'm not out of the woods yet. One of the programs where I interviewed (Sparrow Hospital in Lansing) apparently did not fill (according to a compadre who scrambled yesterday) so I hope they ranked me because not only would I love to go there but that would mean that I have matched.

This is why I am all of a sudden so interested in whether programs rank everybody they interview or not. I think I did well at the interview and unless I have a scrotum growing from my forehead I should have been ranked...right...right...anybody....Bueller...Bueller? It is a combined DO/MD program so perhaps their 2 open spots were only open for DO candidates coming in through a different track.

I have not slept well in about a week. I've got a lot riding on this and waiting to see if I suck hard enough to drop off of the EM portion of my rank list is wearing me out.

 

[colforbinMD]

Unfortunately, I ranked one IM program at the bottom of my list as a last-ditch back-up against the possibility of having to scramble, not getting an EM spot, and having to settle for an IM spot somewhere where I don't want to go. (I scrambled last year and if I can't get EM this year after seven interviews last year and nine this year then something is wrong with me and it's time to cut my losses.)

So I'm not out of the woods yet. One of the programs where I interviewed (Sparrow Hospital in Lansing) apparently did not fill (according to a compadre who scrambled yesterday) so I hope they ranked me because not only would I love to go there but that would mean that I have matched.

This is why I am all of a sudden so interested in whether programs rank everybody they interview or not. I think I did well at the interview and unless I have a scrotum growing from my forehead I should have been ranked...right...right...anybody....Bueller...Bueller? It is a combined DO/MD program so perhaps their 2 open spots were only open for DO candidates coming in through a different track.

I have not slept well in about a week. I've got a lot riding on this and waiting to see if I suck hard enough to drop off of the EM portion of my rank list is wearing me out.

I would have ranked ya panda. Scrotal forehead and all. Good luck. The end is nigh.

 

[BKN]

Got my list, best match ever!😀

 

[FoughtFyr]

Got my list, best match ever!😀

Congrats!

Is it just me or do any of the other residents feel like if we were compared to this years (or last years) applicants, we wouldn't have gotten in?

- H

 

[colforbinMD]

Got my list, best match ever!😀

We're happy if your happy 🙂

 

[EctopicFetus]

We are def happy if BKN is happy. On a more serious note I would like the thank him (BKN) for his insights.

 

[Red Runner]

Thanks to BKN as well

 

[EctopicFetus]

I know someone who I hope is on that list!

 

[BKN]

I know someone who I hope is on that list!

Not till tomorrow🙁

Thanks everyone for your well wishes.😍

 

[Jeff698]

Got my list, best match ever!😀

Congratulations!

I saw our PD today. Despite the bags under his eyes he seems to have been very happy as well.

Take care,
Jeff

 

[Jeff698]

Is it just me or do any of the other residents feel like if we were compared to this years (or last years) applicants, we wouldn't have gotten in?

Yup, it's just you.

Seriously, I certainly feel like that (at least compared to this years since I was last years).

Take care,
Jeff

 

[Dukes]

My entire household (3) matched into EM so everyone is pysched but it got interesting for my roomate. His top choice was a 2-4 at which they said just rank our med prelim year if you want it, and if you match with us you'll get it. No other 2-4 EMs on his rank list and he ended up matching at an "advanced position" but not 4 prelim?! He scrambled his butt off for two days without any luck. He talked to someone at the institution he matched at and more or less explained the situation and it turns out they simply forgot to put his name on the prelim rank list, "oops our bad". Luckily they reserved one slot outside the match and it was still available when he called. It was definitely a nerve racking couple days but at least there was a happy ending.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Yup, it's just you.

Seriously, I certainly feel like that (at least compared to this years since I was last years).

Take care,
Jeff

Me and the wife were saying this about our undergrad institution. The students are now these cyber geniuses weird stuff.

 

[colforbinMD]

GW? Well as someone who always likes to look for silver linings. At least he allready knows where he is headed.

 

[EctopicFetus]

My entire household (3) matched into EM so everyone is pysched but it got interesting for my roomate. His top choice was a 2-4 at which they said just rank our med prelim year if you want it, and if you match with us you'll get it. No other 2-4 EMs on his rank list and he ended up matching at an "advanced position" but not 4 prelim?! He scrambled his butt off for two days without any luck. He talked to someone at the institution he matched at and more or less explained the situation and it turns out they simply forgot to put his name on the prelim rank list, "oops our bad". Luckily they reserved one slot outside the match and it was still available when he called. It was definitely a nerve racking couple days but at least there was a happy ending.

Dukes was it Boston Medical? They had something like that.

 

[Dukes]

Dukes was it Boston Medical? They had something like that.

Nope and I think he rather I not mention what place it was at. Now I get to make fun of him because he wasn't able scramble into prelim year after two days for trying. 🙂