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Guys and girls, what don't you understand about the Jewish state? This is a homeland for Jewish people from all around the world. It has been established by Jewish people, and yes, with help of US dollars, which is much appreciated!!! Interesting thing about being Jewish is that it is not what you know, how much you pray or prey, it is what you feel and believe in, it is something only a Jew can ever understand. The rest can bring up arguments and facts and comparisons, but they do not matter, they will not change anything. Israel will always be a Jewish homeland, secular, democratic, whatever.
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Guys and girls, what don't you understand about the Jewish state? This is a homeland for Jewish people from all around the world. It has been established by Jewish people, and yes, with help of US dollars, which is much appreciated!!! Interesting thing about being Jewish is that it is not what you know, how much you pray or prey, it is what you feel and believe in, it is something only a Jew can ever understand. The rest can bring up arguments and facts and comparisons, but they do not matter, they will not change anything. Israel will always be a Jewish homeland, secular, democratic, whatever.
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And so let it be. And I hope we continue to defend this cause (my only point of dissension with Paul).
 
Thank you sir, this is the bottom line!
This is a country for Jews and it's only democratic if you are a Jew and you are only welcome to stay if you are a Jew.
So, why don't we stop pretending to be secular?




SukaNeNauka said:
Guys and girls, what don't you understand about the Jewish state? This is a homeland for Jewish people from all around the world. It has been established by Jewish people, and yes, with help of US dollars, which is much appreciated!!! Interesting thing about being Jewish is that it is not what you know, how much you pray or prey, it is what you feel and believe in, it is something only a Jew can ever understand. The rest can bring up arguments and facts and comparisons, but they do not matter, they will not change anything. Israel will always be a Jewish homeland, secular, democratic, whatever.
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Well, you view being Jewish as a religion, and this was my point that a non Jewish person does not understand what it means to be a Jew. It is not who you pray to or if you pray at all. It is a feeling, it is history and tradition, and even how we walk (hahaha!) But you are right on about the bottom line, it is a Jewish state and it will remain this way!
 
Planktonmd said:
How can a "Jewish state" be a secular democracy???
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Their citizens can practice any religion without fear of imprisonment or punishment, their laws are not taken verbatim from religious texts or edicts, religious leaders do not preside over their courts. They have elections.

Go ahead and compare the above to nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria ... and then you tell me, which country lies closest to the modern western ideal of secular democracy.
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Well, you view being Jewish as a religion, and this was my point that a non Jewish person does not understand what it means to be a Jew. It is not who you pray to or if you pray at all. It is a feeling, it is history and tradition, and even how we walk (hahaha!) But you are right on about the bottom line, it is a Jewish state and it will remain this way!
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So if the Palestinian guy from Hamas say that being a Muslim is not only a religion but it's a feeling, it's a history and tradition, you would understand wouldn't you?
You wouldn't try to say that because he is Muslim he is not entitled to have feelings would you?
 
I do not have to understand anything, and Israel does not either.
 
pgg said:
Their citizens can practice any religion without fear of imprisonment or punishment, their laws are not taken verbatim from religious texts or edicts, religious leaders do not preside over their courts. They have elections.

Go ahead and compare the above to nations like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria ... and then you tell me, which country lies closest to the modern western ideal of secular democracy.
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You don't really believe that an Israeli citizen that decides to become a Muslim or already is a Muslim has the same rights a Jewish citizen has do you?
 
In honor of Plank, cfdavid and IN2B8r

I have made $100 donations tonight to organizations that I have previously donated to in the past:

http://pizzaidf.org/ They deliver pizzas to israeli soldiers serving on the front lines.

http://www.zoa.org/ The zionist organization of america. The name is self explanatory.

AIPAC: http://www.aipac.org/

The first two are TAX deductible. Just wanted you to know.
 
Well someone had to step in and say what is what. Someone on here said that Jews are extremists, yes! Would Jewish people mobilize and destroy the enemy in hours, yes! Would Jewish people witness another Jewish genocide? Never! Do we rejoice seeing Jewish people on CNN, in politics, in medicine, and everywhere important? Yes! Any questions?
 
Hey Doze,
You know something, we could disagree politically but that does not mean I don't love you.
I know that you have a a good head in between your shoulders and I respect you.
Let's have drinks one day OK?
dr doze said:
In honor of Plank, cfdavid and IN2B8r

I have made $100 donations tonight to organizations that I have previously donated to in the past:

http://pizzaidf.org/ They deliver pizzas to israeli soldiers serving on the front lines.

http://www.zoa.org/ The zionist organization of america. The name is self explanatory.

AIPAC: http://www.aipac.org/

The first two are TAX deductible. Just wanted you to know.
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OK, chill out buddy.

SukaNeNauka said:
Well someone had to step in and say what is what. Someone on here said that Jews are extremists, yes! Would Jewish people mobilize and destroy the enemy in hours, yes! Would Jewish people witness another Jewish genocide? Never! Do we rejoice seeing Jewish people on CNN, in politics, in medicine, and everywhere important? Yes! Any questions?
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plank, with all respect, do not tell me to chill, you chill. All the anti Israel propaganda on here must stop!!!!!
 
Planktonmd said:
Originally Posted by dr doze
In honor of Plank, cfdavid and IN2B8r

I have made $100 donations tonight to organizations that I have previously donated to in the past:

http://pizzaidf.org/ They deliver pizzas to israeli soldiers serving on the front lines.

http://www.zoa.org/ The zionist organization of america. The name is self explanatory.

AIPAC: http://www.aipac.org/

The first two are TAX deductible. Just wanted you to know.
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Hey Doze,
You know something, we could disagree politically but that does not mean I don't love you.
I know that you have a a good head in between your shoulders and I respect you.
Let's have drinks one day OK?
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👍👍👍 :bow:

And this is why I want to grow up to be just like you, Planktonmd.



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My guess is that this thread is rapidly heading towards closure.

I respect and enjoy talking with the other regulars in this thread, though it's a little disturbing that at least one seems to think a thoroughly debunked piece of Nazi propaganda is worthy of consideration or debate.

I sort of regret getting involved, as any moderator action - whether from Arch or other SDN mods - could be construed as censorship from me to silence those who disagree with me. So I will step back and not post in this thread any more. Nor will I directly participate in any moderation.

SukaNeNauka - settle down. Everyone - please keep it civil.
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Guys and girls, what don't you understand about the Jewish state? This is a homeland for Jewish people from all around the world. It has been established by Jewish people, and yes, with help of US dollars, which is much appreciated!!! Interesting thing about being Jewish is that it is not what you know, how much you pray or prey, it is what you feel and believe in, it is something only a Jew can ever understand. The rest can bring up arguments and facts and comparisons, but they do not matter, they will not change anything. Israel will always be a Jewish homeland, secular, democratic, whatever.
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So, I'm sure you agree that the Germans have the right to always be German, Christian, etc. Do you agree that the French can only "experience" Frenchness? You Jews are such hypocrites that it makes me laugh.

cf
 
Yes we are hypocrites, so laugh away, we do not care
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Well someone had to step in and say what is what. Someone on here said that Jews are extremists, yes! Would Jewish people mobilize and destroy the enemy in hours, yes! Would Jewish people witness another Jewish genocide? Never! Do we rejoice seeing Jewish people on CNN, in politics, in medicine, and everywhere important? Yes! Any questions?
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Only if that enemy is some poor, disenfranchised, and dispossesed people. Try that with us Europeans and you'll see what happens.... Again.
 
What do you think will happen? Which of European countries will stand against Israel? I will give you some answers here, no European country will even think about this or they might just be staring at the star of David on top of their government building. Hmm, I just pictured it, and actually it does not seem that bad.
 
cfdavid, as far as true color, you showed me yours, and you be sure I will show you mine.
 
SukaNeNauka said:
What do you think will happen? Which of European countries will stand against Israel? I will give you some answers here, no European country will even think about this or they might just be staring at the star of David on top of their government building. Hmm, I just pictured it, and actually it does not seem that bad.
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:laugh::laugh: You are seriously funny.

But, again, people need to see how Jews really feel. The hatred and vitriol is not so subversive. It readily comes to fruition at the slightest drop of the hat.

Good luck, but when the world sees (and IS seeing) the true nature of Jewish Extremism, the joke will be on you. This will not be a great day, because the retribution is likely to be overwhelming. I don't want it to come to this.
 
I do not want it to come to this either.
 
SukaNeNauka said:
What do you think will happen? Which of European countries will stand against Israel? I will give you some answers here, no European country will even think about this or they might just be staring at the star of David on top of their government building. Hmm, I just pictured it, and actually it does not seem that bad.
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If you really believe this is possible, then you need a very serious reality check. This may be coming some time in the near future.
 
pgg said:
My guess is that this thread is rapidly heading towards closure.
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Well you are the one who said that Israel will only stand up to a weaker adversary, but lets stop this, OK?
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Well you are the one who said that Israel will only stand up to a weaker adversary, but lets stop this, OK?
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O.K. I HATE talking this way. It makes me sick to my stomach. But, extremism only breeds exrtemism.
 
Oh before we stop this, please tell me what you meant by this..Try that with us Europeans and you'll see what happens.... Again. I hope you did not mean something bad
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Oh before we stop this, please tell me what you meant by this..Try that with us Europeans and you'll see what happens.... Again. I hope you did not mean something bad
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You mentioned that if any European nation were hostile to Israel then the Star of David will be hanging over their land/capital.....

Occupation is a serious threat.

I call this false bravado at best, and dilusional at the worst. If Israel were to become hostile to most Western (and some Eastern) European countries, the results would not favor the Jews. That is what I meant.
 
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But what did you mean when you said "Again"
 
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SukaNeNauka said:
But what did you mean when you said "Again" ?
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Figure it out little girl. I'm not going to spoon feed you. You think it's totally "Kosher" to make heroic claims of Jewish bravado, but history suggests the outcomes (when these clashes occur) are otherwise. The "Jewish" state of Israel does not necessarily serve as the deterent that you wish it to.

Again means you lose, again........
 
cfdavid, I am now done with this thread, it has been informative. I just wanted to know what you meant.
 
SukaNeNauka said:
Well, you view being Jewish as a religion, and this was my point that a non Jewish person does not understand what it means to be a Jew. It is not who you pray to or if you pray at all. It is a feeling, it is history and tradition, and even how we walk (hahaha!) But you are right on about the bottom line, it is a Jewish state and it will remain this way!
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I see. So, you are asserting that Jewishness is not only a religion, but also a "race"?? This seems to be what you are asserting. I agree by the way.
 
You know what's disturbing?
Your inability to even consider that what you were programmed to believe could be wrong!


pgg said:
I respect and enjoy talking with the other regulars in this thread, though it's a little disturbing that at least one seems to think a thoroughly debunked piece of Nazi propaganda is worthy of consideration or debate.
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