Texas: What are my chances?

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MCAT: 502 127/121/127/127
GPA 4.0
Shadowing 58 hours
Research experience
Volunteer work: 48 hours (not clinical)
Lots of leadership experience (president, head lifeguard, group leader in various aspects)
Lots of relevant employment (Chemistry tutor, teacher assistant, etc)

Extremely passionate about this field.

I know a lot of you are trying to go to top universities, but I'm just trying to go to a medical school, don't care which.

I know my CARS section is horrible, but it seems to be the one section that one cannot reasonably prepare for unless one is already good at reading quickly and accurately. (Maybe I'm dyslexic and do not know it?) 😛

Schools that I should have a chance: Texas Tech El Paso. Texas Tech Lubbock. UT Galveston. UT Rio Grande Valley. UT San Antonio. Maybe others?

I know my MCAT is below their medians, but I'm within range while my GPA is above the median.

I'm a white male from north-east Texas. I know this factors in as well.

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This would be better In the WAMC thread. Explain how you're extremely passionate about this field without any clinical volunteering?
 
This would be better In the WAMC thread. Explain how you're extremely passionate about this field without any clinical volunteering?

Clinical work is hard to find in my area. I applied to many things, but did not hear back.
Easy stuff to get into requires a time commitment that I could not do because of class and work.

Also, I have a lot of shadowing experience. You do not need to be in a clinic, answering a phone, for 100 hours to show passion. To me, that is just checking off a box. I decided to only do work that I genuinely enjoyed. So I tutored people that needed help because they lacked tutors while the hospital has PLENTY of people lining up to answer their phone or talk to patients.
I also showed kids science experiments, to get them excited about science.
I lead teams to go do community service in the community because no one else was doing it.
I did things that I would have done if I were not premed, because I hate feeling like I'm doing something only because I'm premed.

I love science, I love helping others. I've been a lifeguard and head lifeguard for many years and have saved people who were drowning or bleeding. I've seen doctors talk to patients, do procedures, diagnose, etc.

I want to go to medical school to learn all about the science and medicine of taking care of people. I'm good at science and I am good at doing this kind of work.
I really enjoy studying this material. I also want to put my knowledge to practical use to save lives and help people in this way. I know my odds are low right now, but I will improve this MCAT if needed. Might as well try to apply to some schools.

Sorry if it is in the wrong spot, I'm not very familiar with this website.

Assuming everything else is OK, do med schools really accept people with a 121 CARS score? I personally think it is a useless section, I can reason very well with spoken words and written words when not being timed. I can read, just a bit slow.

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You may be able to receive interviews at some of the Texas MD schools with your GPA. I suggest also applying to at least 8 DO schools and you have TCOM and UIWSOM in Texas.
 
You can convince yourself that 58 shadowing hours is enough to show that you're extremely passionate about medicine, but you aren't going to convince anyone else especially someone on a medical school committee. Volunteering doesn't have to be done at a hospital. I volunteer at a Hospice that is significantly lacking volunteers and I don't answer phones or any of that bs I only work with the patients directly. By not having clinical volunteering it looks like you did what was easy and convenient for you and did not care enough about your future to put in the time and work needed to be successful. Also next to no one gets accepted with a 121 in cars especially without clinical volunteering. I get it you like to help people and like science, but med schools will just ask you why not become a nurse or get your PhD.
 
Since you aren't very familiar with this website here is a quote from a med school faculty member who is on the admission committee for their school. You aren't an exception to this unstated understood rule.
  • Have the right ECs. You need ECs. There are tons of people on SDN who bitch and moan about them. Well, tough. Each school gets thousands of apps for some 100-250 seats. How do we winnow down the pool? The answer is something that hyperachievers with no people skills hate hearing: you have display your altruism and humanity, your willingness to serve others, you know what you're getting into, and that you know what a doctor's day is like.
 
You need to retake your MCAT and bring up that CARS score. Schools such as Galveston, San Antonio, and Lubbock won't look at your app with a CARS that low. In addition as others said you have such little clinical and shadowing hours. Need to bring those up significantly. Your GPA won't make up for such a low MCAT. You aren't a disadvantaged minority group so that will not help you. Take a year off and strengthen ur app or go DO
 
You can convince yourself that 58 shadowing hours is enough to show that you're extremely passionate about medicine, but you aren't going to convince anyone else especially someone on a medical school committee. Volunteering doesn't have to be done at a hospital. I volunteer at a Hospice that is significantly lacking volunteers and I don't answer phones or any of that bs I only work with the patients directly. By not having clinical volunteering it looks like you did what was easy and convenient for you and did not care enough about your future to put in the time and work needed to be successful. Also next to no one gets accepted with a 121 in cars especially without clinical volunteering. I get it you like to help people and like science, but med schools will just ask you why not become a nurse or get your PhD.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So correct
 
Since you aren't very familiar with this website here is a quote from a med school faculty member who is on the admission committee for their school. You aren't an exception to this unstated understood rule.

Yes and I have them. Just not clinical ones.
The idea that I don't like to help people is silly... I pretty much take any volunteer event I have time for and I've done this before being premed.


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Yes and I have them. Just not clinical ones.
The idea that I don't like to help people is silly... I pretty much take any volunteer event I have time for and I've done this before being premed.


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He said having the RIGHT EC you do not have the RIGHT EC stop making excuses for yourself. I never once said you didn't like to help people I simply stated you have not put in the work to prove you want to go to medical school or be around sick patients for the rest of your life. Sure you've proven you want to help people but NEWSFLASH you don't have to be a doctor to help people. You can be a nurse, a PA, a dentist, a firefighter, a cop, or a EMT just to name a few.
 
You can convince yourself that 58 shadowing hours is enough to show that you're extremely passionate about medicine, but you aren't going to convince anyone else especially someone on a medical school committee. Volunteering doesn't have to be done at a hospital. I volunteer at a Hospice that is significantly lacking volunteers and I don't answer phones or any of that bs I only work with the patients directly. By not having clinical volunteering it looks like you did what was easy and convenient for you and did not care enough about your future to put in the time and work needed to be successful. Also next to no one gets accepted with a 121 in cars especially without clinical volunteering. I get it you like to help people and like science, but med schools will just ask you why not become a nurse or get your PhD.

Nurse? Nurses hardly know any science. They only know enough to treat patients. Nothing in depth.
PhD would be okay, but I'd have the same problem with their standardized test reading section. I also do not wish to research or teach since those are not interesting jobs for me.

58 hours is much more than many of my friends that have been accepted. I'm going to assume you are in a more competitive area or something like that. The only limit to this application is the CARS score.


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He said having the RIGHT EC you do not have the RIGHT EC stop making excuses for yourself. I never once said you didn't like to help people I simply stated you have not put in the work to prove you want to go to medical school or be around sick patients for the rest of your life. Sure you've proven you want to help people but NEWSFLASH you don't have to be a doctor to help people. You can be a nurse, a PA, a dentist, a firefighter, a cop, or a EMT just to name a few.

Yes but a doctor gets to go to medical school and learn about medicine. The others do not.
This is not news to me. I've been told this many many times.


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He said having the RIGHT EC you do not have the RIGHT EC stop making excuses for yourself. I never once said you didn't like to help people I simply stated you have not put in the work to prove you want to go to medical school or be around sick patients for the rest of your life. Sure you've proven you want to help people but NEWSFLASH you don't have to be a doctor to help people. You can be a nurse, a PA, a dentist, a firefighter, a cop, or a EMT just to name a few.


Let's not get heated here guys. OP asked a question and we gave him advice. If he doesn't wish to take it, there is no need to try to push him further
 
The idea that one must have vast experience in medicine to have a chance to get in medical school is not true.
I can become an EMT or work as a lab tech in a hospital, but none of that will make it any more clear that I want to go to medical school.

Hopefully the future will let people go to medical school out of the desire to learn medicine and treat patients. Not about my desire to sit in a hospital all day. That is not what it's about.


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A great GPA is not going to make up for a poor MCAT, and vice versa.

It's not only about GPA and MCATs...it's about the rest of the packet. All the people you're competing with are academically clones of each other. So the guy with 1000 hrs in the lab and 100 hrs shadowing (and who thinks shadowing counts as volunteering) but has no other clinical experience doesn't know what he's getting into, hasn't shown anything altruistic and will be passed over for someone who reads to poor children, or brings coffee to the dialysis patients in hospice. 4.0 automatons are a dime-a-dozen. Stats may get you to the door, but ECs get you through the door.

Are you that blind that you seriously don't see that all of this applies to you?? At least be mature enough to admit it instead of living in denial. Be an adult and stop making excuses and go fix what needs to be fixed. Why did you even come on here and ask what your chances were if you don't want to listen to any advice at all? Your chances are bad. Your MCAT and clinical volunteering is what makes them bad. Fix them and you'll be a good applicant it's that simple.
 
You need to retake your MCAT and bring up that CARS score. Schools such as Galveston, San Antonio, and Lubbock won't look at your app with a CARS that low. In addition as others said you have such little clinical and shadowing hours. Need to bring those up significantly. Your GPA won't make up for such a low MCAT. You aren't a disadvantaged minority group so that will not help you. Take a year off and strengthen ur app or go DO

I agree. But I'll still apply to some schools while simultaneously reading more and doing whatever one does to prepare for CARS. I did many passages, but that seemed to have done nothing.


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Are you that blind that you seriously don't see that all of this applies to you?? At least be mature enough to admit it instead of living in denial. Be an adult and stop making excuses and go fix what needs to be fixed. Why did you even come on here and ask what your chances were if you don't want to listen to any advice at all? Your chances are bad. Your MCAT and clinical volunteering is what makes them bad. Fix them and you'll be a good applicant it's that simple.

Agree about the MCAT. Disagree about the clinical volunteering.

From other sources I have gathered, medical schools want to know that you know what you are getting yourself into. You can do this by shadowing and clinical experience.

I tried to get jobs at clinics, but they all seem to prefer graduates. The low skill, anyone can do volunteer tasks, are not going to make much difference if I already have a lot of shadowing hours in.

I've heard that at least 40 hours shadowing is good enough. I went over that because I enjoyed it.

But how about this, I can apply to low MCAT schools, try to find a free clinic to work in to have some clinical volunteer work, and prepare to take the MCAT again and apply next cycle.
Take a gap year and work at one of those clinical jobs that prefer graduates for a year.
Go to medical school after gap year.

I think it is possible to get into a school with this score, but I know the odds are low.


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Agree about the MCAT. Disagree about the clinical volunteering.

From other sources I have gathered, medical schools want to know that you know what you are getting yourself into. You can do this by shadowing and clinical experience.

I tried to get jobs at clinics, but they all seem to prefer graduates. The low skill, anyone can do volunteer tasks, are not going to make much difference if I already have a lot of shadowing hours in.

I've heard that at least 40 hours shadowing is good enough. I went over that because I enjoyed it.

But how about this, I can apply to low MCAT schools, try to find a free clinic to work in to have some clinical volunteer work, and prepare to take the MCAT again and apply next cycle.
Take a gap year and work at one of those clinical jobs that prefer graduates for a year.
Go to medical school after gap year.

I think it is possible to get into a school with this score, but I know the odds are low.


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I can't sugar coat this: The odds aren't merely low, for MD, they are circling the drain. TX schools Like high GPAs, true, but they also like decent MCATs. Your score in < 10th %ile for all of them, and it being a seller's market, even in TX, they can avoid to ignore you.

What are you going to say when asked how you know you are suited for a life of caring for the sick and suffering? “That you just know”? Imagine how that will go over!

This not the application of a person who dearly wants to be a physician. It is the application of someone who wants to be a doctor as long as it is convenient!

From the wise LizzyM”: I am always reminded of a certain frequent poster of a few years ago. He was adamant about not volunteering as he did not want to give his services for free and he was busy and helping others was inconvenient. He matriculated to a medical school and lasted less than one year. He's now in school to become an accountant.

Here's the deal: You need to show AdComs that you know what you're getting into, and show off your altruistic, humanistic side. We need to know that you're going to like being around sick or injured people for the next 40 years.

Here's another way of looking at it: would you buy a new car without test driving it? Buy a new suit or dress without trying it on??

We're also not looking for merely for good medical students, we're looking for people who will make good doctors, and 4.0 GPA robots are a dime-a-dozen.

I've seen plenty of posts here from high GPA/high MCAT candidates who were rejected because they had little patient contact experience.

Not all volunteering needs to be in a hospital. Think hospice, Planned Parenthood, nursing homes, rehab facilities, crisis hotlines, camps for sick children, or clinics.

Some types of volunteer activities are more appealing than others. Volunteering in a nice suburban hospital is all very well and good and all, but doesn't show that you're willing to dig in and get your hands dirty in the same way that working with the developmentally disabled (or homeless, the dying, or Alzheimers or mentally ill or elderly or ESL or domestic, rural impoverished) does. The uncomfortable situations are the ones that really demonstrate your altruism and get you 'brownie points'. Plus, they frankly teach you more -- they develop your compassion and humanity in ways comfortable situations can't.


Service need not be "unique". If you can alleviate suffering in your community through service to the poor, homeless, illiterate, fatherless, etc, you are meeting an otherwise unmet need and learning more about the lives of the people (or types of people) who will someday be your patients. Check out your local houses of worship for volunteer opportunities. The key thing is service to others less fortunate than you. And get off campus and out of your comfort zone!

Examples include: Habitat for Humanity, Ronald McDonald House, Humane Society, crisis hotlines, soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless or women’s shelter, after-school tutoring for students or coaching a sport in a poor school district, teaching ESL to adults at a community center, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, or Meals on Wheels.
 
Guys, I do not want to give all the details on why I want to be a doctor.
Just trust me that I know what I'm doing. I'll give the details to medical schools.

I only wanted advice about the low CARS section, really. I now know that I have very low odds.
I will apply to DO and prepare for the MCAT and apply next cycle if not accepted to DO.

I will stand by what I say, you do not need to volunteer at a nursing home to know that you want to help sick people.

Simply shadowing is enough. Shadowing shows you exactly what the doctor does. Clinical volunteering is nice and shows altruism, but non clinical volunteering is the same. You guys seem to ignore the fact that I do volunteer work, but just because it's not in a hospital or at a clinic, I'm apparently a heartless 4.0 robot. :/


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Thanks for the advice if that was your aim.

I may have a 4.0, but I do have a life too. I just really enjoy what I study, biochemistry.


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You just had someone on a medical school committee tell you shadowing isn't enough... :laugh::laugh::laugh: I can't handle this thread anymore :troll::troll::troll:
 
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