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I'm sure there is a similar post from a while back but I just wanted to start a discussion on the best clinical programs. Which ones do you rate highly and why?
rajmahal2004 said:I'm sure there is a similar post from a while back but I just wanted to start a discussion on the best clinical programs. Which ones do you rate highly and why?
rajmahal2004 said:I'm sure there is a similar post from a while back but I just wanted to start a discussion on the best clinical programs. Which ones do you rate highly and why?
dat_student said:It's very easy to tell. After each interview you can easily tell which school has a bad clinical program. For example, if a school tells you that you should advertise in yellow pages to get patients or pay patients to come to school in order to satisfy requirements you know that the school simply doesn't have a good clinical program. period. Believe it or not, this isn't a hypothetical example or exaggeration. One school told me that. If a school tells you that it has 120K-140K patient visits per year and you learn to do just about anything you can think of then you can conclude the school is very good clinically. National Board Part II also tells a story. If students have one million patients but have a hard time passing part II there is something wrong.
drhobie7 said:I don't think NBDE II has that much to do with it. Generally 4th years don't care what they get one this as long as they pass. It typically has no relevance to residency acceptance because they've already applied or been accepted at that point.
bkwash said:also there is an ada stat that tells how many patients go to a particular school if anybody cares to find that stat for all schools, temple mentioned what their ada patient pool was during the interview
rajmahal2004 said:Of course the number of patients is a big factor but what about how they are treated? At UOP they say that you treat every patient you see no matter how complex the problem. Of course they don't have many specialties to refer to.
Are there other schools that do that and really allow students to treat everything that comes there way?
dat_student said:UOP just has a bad reputation in California. You should stay away from UOP as much as possible. They take high AA students and convert them to avg performers on national boards. Plus, it makes no sense to compress 4 yrs of education into 3 yrs. In addition, if you want to specialize UOP is an absolute no.
dat_student said:UOP just has a bad reputation in California. You should stay away from UOP as much as possible. They take high AA students and convert them to avg performers on national boards. Plus, it makes no sense to compress 4 yrs of education into 3 yrs. In addition, if you want to specialize UOP is an absolute no. Raj, you have better choices in California if you want to stay in California. Schools accept sub-3.0 GPA students if AA is very high and/or there is a drastic upward trend. When I look at the ranges I see that even very good schools have students with < 3.0 GPA (not many; a few students).
donkeywhisperer said:...An example of this was a girl that he knew that went to UCSF who was terrified of root canals when she got out becuase she had only done a few while in school. Not that I'm bad mouthing UCSF I think they are a great school too, but not as clinically strong...
bkwash said:dat_student: i have been looking for the info myself...it might be privy only to the people at the school, maybe the ADA site would have it or you can call the school and ask them. I would like to have that number for each school b/f i decide on one...
dat_student said:BTW, root canals are usually done by endodontists.
Rezdawg said:General dentists do many root canals.
dat_student said:Thanks so much but if general dentists can do it why is that a specialty?
dat_student said:Thanks so much but if general dentists can do it why is that a specialty?
TimR said:just another example of DAT_student making a fool of himself. Good job on your DAT and interviews and everything, I think it's great.
but to say that root canals are usually done by endodontists displays a considerable lack of exposure to the field of dentistry. And as for saying UOP has a bad reputation in california.... uh okay, that's a pretty generalized statement that has no merit.
Also: "it makes no sense to compress dental education into 3 years"????
this has been discussed so many times I can hardly beleive that you would even bring that up.
Seriosuly, Raj, stay away from uop, it is terrible. You would hate it there.
Dat_student.... one of these days you should wake up, look in the mirror and realize that you are one of those guys with a great resume, no social skills and the kind of guy people don't like because of the stupid things you say.
DIRTIE said:Are you serious about that???
dat_student said:I am one of those guys who never say anyone is stupid. I am also one of those guys who express his opinion to help others make right decisions for their future. In general the UC schools are known to be better than UOP. You may not like this statement and I must respect your opinion without calling your comments stupid.
dat_student said:Yes I am very serious. I've been told by dental schools and dentists that general dentists try to stay away from root canals and root canal patients are genrally referred to specialists. Plus, I have shadowed general dentists and I don't remember seeing general dentists doing root canals
dat_student said:Yes I am very serious. I've been told by dental schools and dentists that general dentists try to stay away from root canals and root canal patients are genrally referred to specialists. Plus, I have shadowed general dentists and I don't remember seeing general dentists doing root canals
DIRTIE said:But Pacific costs a ton of money for a reason,...
TimR said:Dat_student.... one of these days you should wake up, look in the mirror and realize that you are one of those guys with a great resume, no social skills and the kind of guy people don't like because of the stupid things you say.
JessicaSimpson said:However annoying you find Dat_student, he at least never makes personal attacks on other people.
TimR said:yes, yes. he is a much better person than I am, and will undoubtedly make a better dentist. All apologies.
dat_student said:Thanks so much but if general dentists can do it why is that a specialty?
superchris147 said:General dentists don't usually do root canals because its not their bread and butter. You mainly see general dentists doing crowns because that's what makes their money. If you were a general dentist and you had an option of doing a root canal case that could take you an hour and 20 minutes when you could do a crown prep and a couple fillings in that time which would you choose? You'd obviously choose to refer it out. It has nothing to do with competence as a dentist (unless maybe its a really really tough/awkward case) but more to do with financial/business type decisions
my general dentists does relatively few root canals, but the ones he does are ones that he can do fast and easy and because he likes to switch it up every once in a while.
and as for your other post saying 'don't go to UOP to specialize' that is just not true at all. the reason ucla/ucsf produce a lot of specialists is because they focus on getting a lot on students with high scores/high gpas (basically students that will generall do well on boards) and they focus on very rigorous didactic programs. However, just because UOP focuses on clinical stuff doesn't mean you can't specialize. If you do well at UOP and do well on your boards you can specialize
dat_student said:TimR, I am not much better than you. I just don't see why you attack me when I haven't said anything bad about you. I simply expressed my opinion to help Raj. If you think I misguided Raj you can post your opinion. You don't have to attack me when I haven't done anything against you.
superchris147 said:General dentists don't usually do root canals because its not their bread and butter. You mainly see general dentists doing crowns because that's what makes their money. If you were a general dentist and you had an option of doing a root canal case that could take you an hour and 20 minutes when you could do a crown prep and a couple fillings in that time which would you choose? You'd obviously choose to refer it out. It has nothing to do with competence as a dentist (unless maybe its a really really tough/awkward case) but more to do with financial/business type decisions
my general dentists does relatively few root canals, but the ones he does are ones that he can do fast and easy and because he likes to switch it up every once in a while.
and as for your other post saying 'don't go to UOP to specialize' that is just not true at all. the reason ucla/ucsf produce a lot of specialists is because they focus on getting a lot on students with high scores/high gpas (basically students that will generall do well on boards) and they focus on very rigorous didactic programs. However, just because UOP focuses on clinical stuff doesn't mean you can't specialize. If you do well at UOP and do well on your boards you can specialize
hokiedds said:It all boils down to personal preference, and alot of general dentists just dont like to do root canals, so they refer them out instead.
rajmahal2004 said:I'm sure there is a similar post from a while back but I just wanted to start a discussion on the best clinical programs.
rajmahal2004 said:I'm sure there is a similar post from a while back but I just wanted to start a discussion on the best clinical programs. Which ones do you rate highly and why?
OUCH............................phremius said:dude, i expected better out of you than to ask unanswerable, pointless douche predent questions like this.
drhobie7 said:Finally the truth. As a general dentist you can do anything done by a specialist but you are held to the standard of care of that specialty.
dat_student said:Thanks so much but if general dentists can do it why is that a specialty?