The craiglist killer is a med student!

[aznb0y129]

? Sometimes, when the n is big enough, and the numerator is small enough, and you have some idea of the activity of a population, you can make statements about the general significance of data on the fly. or at least, I just did.

and by the way, my alpha is these nuts fool.

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[jult24er]

You guys are killing me with these stats... Have you run the data?

I'm sure it's a coincidence, but until you run the data you have no idea, also what are you defining as your alpha level? Come on. Just say you think it's a fluke and not a big deal. Don't start waxing statistical significance to try and elucidate your point when you haven't analyzed the data.

Oh, thanks, i see you beat me to this point. Good to know you're out there ...

 

[majahops]

I said that one just for you.

 

[nick_carraway]

I think he had some mental problems.

Please. Those quotations describe most of the premed popula--oh.

 

[majahops]

Please, try some of the alpha of the day. They are scrumptious.

Oh, thanks, i see you beat me to this point. Good to know you're out there ...

 

[majahops]

In my experience (without citing statistical significance this time, hehe) people who've seemed to have the fewest outwardly obvious mental problems have many times ended up being the most deeply troubled inside.

Please. Those quotations describe most of the premed popula--oh.

 

[Dapper Dan]

I've met with Witzburg before, and I know he's an incredibly judgmental, shallow prick of a person. He probably has all the amcas applications with 40+ mcat scores sent directly to him so he can jack off all over them.

 

[MsKrispyKreme]

Wow, he was in possession of the 2 hooker's belongings???

It's a wrap.

and by the way, my alpha is these nuts fool.

Sooooooooo sig-worthy.

 

[Brent8927]

In my experience (without citing statistical significance this time, hehe) people who've seemed to have the fewest outwardly obvious mental problems have many times ended up being the most deeply troubled inside.

I agree. It's probably because like the craigslist guy, they aren't sharing how they feel with others.

This guy fooled his entire family, neighbors, and fiance. I don't understand those who are mocking BU's standards. Seriously--if his own fiance didn't know about this other side of him, how can an admissions committee possibly have been expected to know?

 

[jult24er]

I agree. It's probably because like the craigslist guy, they aren't sharing how they feel with others.

This guy fooled his entire family, neighbors, and fiance. I don't understand those who are mocking BU's standards. Seriously--if his own fiance didn't know about this other side of him, how can an admissions committee possibly have been expected to know?

You have my critique completely backwards. I 100% dont expect an admission committee to know. The problem is that they pretend they do.

And you actually state this problem very nicely.

 

[nick_carraway]

You have my critique completely backwards. I 100% dont expect an admission committee to know. The problem is that they pretend they do.

I don't think they pretended to know which of their applicants are potential murderers. I think they let residency directors figure that one out.

 

[jult24er]

I don't think they pretended to know which of their applicants are potential murderers. I think they let residency directors figure that one out.

"However, admission is not guaranteed on the basis of excellent grades and MCAT scores alone. The Committee on Admissions seeks out evidence for the following qualities in an applicant's personal statement, in their extra curricular activities and life experiences, and in letters of recommendation from premedical advisors and others who know the applicant well:

• Psychological maturity
• Character and integrity
• Good judgment
• Empathy and concern for helping others
• Appropriate motivation for a career in medicine
• Commitment to excellence

The Committee on Admissions and faculty members are experienced interviewers who want to learn as much as they can about the real person; the old cliche of "being yourself" does hold true here ... Interviewers are trained to specifically evaluate an applicant's maturity, adequacy of support systems ... motivation for medicine ..."

Which of these traits do murderes posess in high quantities?

 

[SDN2013]

"However, admission is not guaranteed on the basis of excellent grades and MCAT scores alone. The Committee on Admissions seeks out evidence for the following qualities in an applicant's personal statement, in their extra curricular activities and life experiences, and in letters of recommendation from premedical advisors and others who know the applicant well:

• Psychological maturity
• Character and integrity
• Good judgment
• Empathy and concern for helping others
• Appropriate motivation for a career in medicine
• Commitment to excellence

Interviewers are trained to specifically evaluate an applicant's maturity, adequacy of support systems ... motivation for medicine ..."

Which of these traits do murderes posess in high quantities?

every medical school essentially does the same thing, not just BU

 

[jult24er]

every medical school essentially does the same thing, not just BU

Yeah, my beef is not with BU alone. That was actually from Maryland's website ... Here is BU

"The Committee on Admissions chooses applicants who seem best qualified not only by scholastic record, college recommendations and involvement in college and community activities, but also by less tangible qualities of personality, character, and life experience. A personal interview is an integral part of the admissions process."

 

[nick_carraway]

"However, admission is not guaranteed on the basis of excellent grades and MCAT scores alone. The Committee on Admissions seeks out evidence for the following qualities in an applicant's personal statement, in their extra curricular activities and life experiences, and in letters of recommendation from premedical advisors and others who know the applicant well:

• Psychological maturity
• Character and integrity
• Good judgment
• Empathy and concern for helping others
• Appropriate motivation for a career in medicine
• Commitment to excellence

The Committee on Admissions and faculty members are experienced interviewers who want to learn as much as they can about the real person; the old cliche of "being yourself" does hold true here ... Interviewers are trained to specifically evaluate an applicant's maturity, adequacy of support systems ... motivation for medicine ..."

Which of these traits do murderes posess in high quantities?

Oh! I see it. There in the seventh bulletpoint is "exceptional devotion to the preservation of human life" followed by the eighth bulltpoint "ability to separate violent fantasy from real action."

I don't presume to know the psyche and personal qualifications of a murderer. I don't suspect that adcoms are that presumptuous either. In fact, the banality of evil suggests that murderers present as typical people to untrained experts.

 

[jult24er]

Oh! I see it. There in the seventh bulletpoint is "exceptional devotion to the preservation of human life" followed by the eighth bulltpoint "ability to separate violent fantasy from real action."

I don't presume to know the psyche and personal qualifications of a murderer. I don't suspect that adcoms are that presumptuous either. In fact, the banality of evil suggests that murderers present as typical people to untrained experts.

Uuuuuuh, im gonna go out on a limb here and say that muderers lack slightly in the "empathy for others" category ...

 

[BJPENNSTATE]

"Philip Markoff, appeared to be collecting underwear as "souvenirs" from his alleged victims."...creepy, and twisted individual

"masseuse who was found dead April 14 in a Boston hotel after being bashed in the head and shot three times."...'allegedly'shooting 3 times is not an accident.

"Markoff gambled all night at the Foxwoods Casino two days after Brisman's death, leaving with $5,300 in winnings."...gambling after 'allegedly' murderering someone is downright coldblooded.


if this is all true..this "alleged" murderer is a sick sociopath

 

[jult24er]

This is actually a blindingly obvious argument:

Medical schools have a costly, intensive, time-consuming and stressful process in place that is supposed to evaluate the charactor of applicants. Turns out, this process has given high marks to future murderers.

Does that prove, statistically that the process needs to be changed? No. Should it raise some eyebrows and encourage a review of the system's value? Seems reasonable to me.

 

[BJPENNSTATE]

"Markoff was arrested on Monday on Interstate 95 in Massachusetts as he and his fiancee drove to Foxwoods Resort Casino."

who normally go gambling on a MONDAY?

 

[0Complications]

coming from someone who didn't know the difference between median and mean in regards to composite vs individual section scores.

Hmmm, I think this is coming from the one who thinks you can simply add averages... I chose to abstain from comment on your last one. I was clearly illustrating a different point than what you were assuming I was making, but I'm guessing you missed it...

 

[0Complications]

and by the way, my alpha is these nuts fool.

With an alpha that small you're bound to guarantee your null...

 

[majahops]

Right.

This is actually a blindingly obvious argument:

Medical schools have a costly, intensive, time-consuming and stressful process in place that is supposed to evaluate the charactor of applicants. Turns out, this process has given high marks to 2 future murderers among thousands of accepted students, in the span of several years.

Does that prove, statistically that the process needs to be changed? No. Should it raise some eyebrows and encourage a review of the system's value? Seems reasonable to me.

 

[majahops]

I was almost positive someone would make that joke, but I was hoping it wouldn't be you. Figures.

With an alpha that small you're bound to guarantee your null...

 

[SDN2013]

Hmmm, I think this is coming from the one who thinks you can simply add averages... I chose to abstain from comment on your last one. I was clearly illustrating a different point than what you were assuming I was making, but I'm guessing you missed it...

enlighten me. why can't you add up averages when the composite is the sum of the individual sections?

 

[0Complications]

I was almost positive someone would make that joke, but I was hoping it wouldn't be you. Figures.

Ha ha. It was either that one or the "Less filling" for your "Scrumptious alpha of the day."

 

[majahops]

I like jokes. Jokes rule. But in all seriousness... What is the average volume of a human nut? I mean, all I've got to reference are the dudes in porn, and some of them are packing kiwis. I cautiously operate under the assumption that my nuts are relatively "small," but now that we've hashed it up, you know, I really don't know if they are or not.

Ha ha. It was either that one or the "Less filling" for your "Scrumptious alpha of the day."

 

[jult24er]

Right.

How many future murderers do you think applied in 06/07?

 

[MedStudentWanna]

The question is, what's this guy's screenname/handle here on SDN?

 

[majahops]

Probably around the same # you would think, if you really tried hard to guess.

How many future murderers do you think applied in 06/07?

 

[nick_carraway]

Uuuuuuh, im gonna go out on a limb here and say that muderers lack slightly in the "empathy for others" category ...

I lack empathy for others too. In fact, I care a great deal more about my cat than I do about most people. I'm not certain that means that I'm going to gun someone down for a few hundred bucks. Like I said, murderers appear typical.

 

[jult24er]

Probably around the same # you would think, if you really tried hard to guess.

I bet, over their lifetimes, they'll be more then 1. Probably only 1 thus far though, making this process 100% succesful in accepting murderers ...

 

[majahops]

Than you must realize how foolish it would be to design your admissions process around the avoidance of the *1* applicant likely to commit murder while enrolled, out of the entire applicant pool of tens of thousands of applicants.

Think about it using the NNT (number needed to treat).

If there are 40,000 applicants per year, and each school needs to implement some measure to target and identify potential killers (while at their school), they are collectively implementing a treatment with an NNT of 40,000 (actually higher because they duplicate the treatment on many applicants, but ignore that here) because you need to treat 40,000 applicants in order to identify 1 murderer. That's assuming that the treatment works every single time you use it (i.e. identifies killers 100% of the time killers are present), which it wouldn't. So, the NNT would in fact be astronomical.

* dont start with the "they'd only need to screen applicants they were seriously considering" stuff... the NNT would still be astronomical.

I bet, over their lifetimes, they'll be more then 1. Probably only 1 thus far though ...

 

[MedStudentWanna]

BTW, my buddy last cycle had an interviewer at BU tell him straight up that he would have gotten the pre-interview axe if his MCAT were one point higher... clearly domestic violence > high MCAT, at least for BU.

Dude, you're quoting yourself just to add for the 15th time that BU rejected you because of high stats? Just let it go! You just weren't what they wanted. Look around -- many of us weren't. You're like the ex girlfriend/boyfriend who five years later still can't get over being dumped.

 

[majahops]

Took me like 3, but yeah, I feel ya.

Dude, you're quoting yourself just to add for the 15th time that BU rejected you because of high stats? Just let it go! You just weren't what they wanted. Look around -- many of us weren't. You're like the ex girlfriend/boyfriend who five years later still can't get over being dumped.

 

[drizzt3117]

Dude, you're quoting yourself just to add for the 15th time that BU rejected you because of high stats? Just let it go! You just weren't what they wanted. Look around -- many of us weren't. You're like the ex girlfriend/boyfriend who five years later still can't get over being dumped.

That quote you quoted was from page 2 or 3... we're on page 7...

 

[SDN2013]

That quote you quoted was from page 2 or 3... we're on page 7...

I sense that 7-2 = 5. So ironic

 

[jult24er]

Than you must realize how foolish it would be to design your admissions process around the avoidance of the *1* applicant likely to commit murder while enrolled, out of the entire applicant pool of tens of thousands of applicants.

Ok, so out of a 10,000 pick career, your chief scout took this pop-star in 2006, 18th round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5p8jXfiwj8

I'm guessing the rest of your pitching staff sucks too. But you just figure hes a smart guy who didnt design his process to worry about judging outliers?

 

[nick_carraway]

Ok, so out of a 10,000 pick career, your chief scout took this pop-star in 2006, 18th round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5p8jXfiwj8

I'm guessing the rest of your pitching staff sucks too. But you just figure hes a smart guy who didnt design his process to worry about judging outliers?

The problem is that you can't judge people based on the crimes they might commit, but rather what they've done thus far.

FWIW, U. of Michigan graduated a serial killer who was committing crimes even while in school. It can be argued that U. of Michigan is more myopic than BU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._H._Holmes

 

[majahops]

You are either:

a) joking
b) totally babbling
c) way smarter than me and you've just rammed me into the wall of my own cognitive potential

either way, I don't know what to say

Ok, so out of a 10,000 pick career, your chief scout took this pop-star in 2006, 18th round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5p8jXfiwj8

I'm guessing the rest of your pitching staff sucks too. But you just figure hes a smart guy who didnt design his process to worry about judging outliers?

 

[nick_carraway]

You are either:

a) joking
b) totally babbling
c) way smarter than me and you've just rammed me into the wall of my own cognitive potential

either way, I don't know what to say

Don't feel bad. It's possible that Davis needs to raise their admission standards because if two of their graduates can't figure it out, something's wrong with the system.

 

[BJPENNSTATE]

Dude, you're quoting yourself just to add for the 15th time that BU rejected you because of high stats? Just let it go! You just weren't what they wanted. Look around -- many of us weren't. You're like the ex girlfriend/boyfriend who five years later still can't get over being dumped.

HAHAHHA..he's from MIT...he feels entitled too. similar to harvard graduates

 

[majahops]

Haha, I like it!

Don't feel bad. It's possible that Davis needs to raise their admission standards because if two of their graduates can't figure it out, something's wrong with the system.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

That quote you quoted was from page 2 or 3... we're on page 7...

And you're STILL at it!!!

 

[drizzt3117]

And you're STILL at it!!!

yep! persistence and dedication are some things I wrote in my personal statement that BU didn't read.

 

[slick27]

doctors are just people. They have all the same characteristics of the regular population. It is just a small sample size of the us population. if their wasn't a murderer or violent criminal accepted medical school, I would start to worry. People have emotions, and sometimes they get the best of a person.

 

[majahops]

Saw this coming. I like it.

yep! persistence and dedication are some things I wrote in my personal statement that BU didn't read.

 

[majahops]

People will rock your world on here for making this statement, but I think it is extremely true and I'm glad you made it.

doctors are just people. They have all the same characteristics of the regular population. It is just a small sample size of the us population. if their wasn't a murderer or violent criminal accepted medical school, I would start to worry. People have emotions, and sometimes they get the best of a person.

 

[jult24er]

You are either:

a) joking
b) totally babbling
c) way smarter than me and you've just rammed me into the wall of my own cognitive potential

either way, I don't know what to say

Can i choose c) ? I appreciate the option ...

Your argument seems to be, this guy is a unique case and that essays and interviews made the adcom deem him a great person because he is such a unique example, not becasue there is a general flaw in adcoms' performance in judging charactor. You think because Mariah Carey is such a bad pitcher, we cant judge the scouts ability to asses good pitchers based on his selecting her.

I disagree, i think the murderer has in common with all humans an ability to present to people what they want to see. That he was, in fact, a -10,000, and adcoms called him a 100, makes me think they cant come close to distinguishing a 91 from 109. That the scout thought Mariah Carey was good makes me pretty sure he cant distinguish between a major league arm and a guy who tops out in AA.

This guy probably was better at coming off as something other than he is then most people are, but i see him on the bad end of a continum of human behavior, not as a completely different and rare beast which would negate the fact that we just saw adcoms horribly misjudge a human being.

 

[jult24er]

People will rock your world on here for making this statement, but I think it is extremely true and I'm glad you made it.

thats cool, i just was typing the same point, to you, as i see slick27 wrote!

 

[Law2Doc]

Libel? Speculating about her potential involvement seems just as protected free speech as speculating about his involvement. Of course, IANAL, and you are, so...

Nope - very untrue. Speculating about someone not accused of a crime's involvement in a post on the internet, with no real evidentiary basis is libel. Accusing someone of a crime or act of moral turpitude without strong proof is in fact "libel per se". (Google "Libel per se" if you don't believe me). You are probably on solid ground talking about someone actually charged with a crime, such as the med student himself, but when you try to implicate an uncharged fiancee as an accomplice, you are potentially in trouble. You never want to call someone a thief or a murderer on the internet unless you are awfully sure they are being charged with such a crime. Your first amendment right to free speech doesn't give you a right to make accusations in public at the expense of others' rights. Libel is an important limitation to free speech.