The Crotch Bomber (Part Deux): An Open Letter

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Dear Mr. President/Senator/Congressman/Congresswoman:

Happy New Year! I hope this letter finds you and your family well.

I’m writing to you, as a physician and one of your constituents (in your State), to express my concerns about the recent incident involving Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, and the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines flight 253. According to the main details reported in the media, it appears that this was an isolated event that was imminently preventable had the proper systems already in place acted in concert and as supposed.

As a practicing physician who was born in the U.S., educated in the U.S., and having chosen to continue to live my life and engage in the practice of medicine in the U.S., I can personally disclose and vouch with the highest level of certainty to whomever may be interested that I represent exactly zero terrorist risk to anyone when I board an airplane either here in the U.S. or, for that matter, anywhere else in the world. And, that is the reason I’m writing to you now.

Please allow me to use a medical analogy for a moment, which is especially timely as we attempt to contain costs with the recent passage of the modified Healthcare Reform Bill in the House and Senate.

Imagine, if you will, a patient who presents to the emergency department of a local hospital. He is in his mid-fifties, has truncal obesity, is a heavy smoker, and is diabetic. He is complaining of mild chest pain. The on-duty Emergency Department physician reviews his history briefly, orders some tests, and determines that there is a likelihood that he is having a cardiac event. But, that same physicians cannot be, at that immediate point in time, 100% certain. So, the patient is sent him home.

He dies.

This is tantamount to what happened in the Abdul Mutallab case. But, fortunately, in the Mutallab case, no one died. All of the screening tests utilized gave a reasonably high level of certainty that he should never have boarded that flight. So, why then was he allowed to board? That is the real question that needs to be answered in this affair. This appears to be a case of misapplication of effective technology and human failure, not one of current systems.

In the medical world, we use what’s called “pre-test probability” and apply the principles of Bayes theorem to determine essentially when further testing is warranted. In the example medical case I provided and based on those principles, it would have been absolutely wrong for any physician to send this theoretical patient home. At the very least, he should have been kept for additional observation and testing.

Conversely, in the case of, say, an otherwise healthy 25-year-old female who presents to the emergency room with a complaint of chest pain, the likelihood of it being truly cardiac in origin is extremely low. In her case, it would not be prudent or good medical practice to order a battery of more sophisticated tests to simply rule out the possibility that it might be. It would be a waste of resources and only add additional cost with a next-to-zero probability of yielding a positive result. Furthermore, if we screened everyone who presented with a complaint of “chest pain” with a full, invasive cardiac work-up, it would add immeasurable additional unnecessary cost to an already-burdened system.

That’s tantamount to what the government is now proposing.

Instead of looking at the “pre-test probability” of certain cohorts of people who represent the greatest potential risk, the government’s latest proposal is to additionally screen, with more invasive procedures, everyone who presents to the airport. Can anyone, at this time, even remotely predict how much additional cost and burden to the airline system this will add? These current proposals being potentially suggested as additional tactics for use by the TSA might be the last nail in the coffin of an already ailing airline industry. And, personally, I am a busy, practicing physician who doesn’t believe I should have to present to the airport six hours each time before I board a domestic flight with the proposition that I might be virtually strip-searched (or worse) when, fact is, I represent absolutely no risk to anyone.

Right now, our Nation’s leaders seem to suffer from a perpetual case of “zero risk bias”. And, my contention is that, as we add further and more ridiculous screening tests to the pre-flight checklist, we will not and cannot more definitively improve security. The terrorists are far cleverer than we often give them credit at figuring out ways to thwart whatever systems we put in place. It’s time to change tactics altogether.

So, instead of slowly and insidiously allowing our government to march forward with an ongoing encroachment on the civil liberties of those of us who represent zero risk, it is time to stop. It is time to stop wasting more money. It is time to stop wasting resources. It is time to stop adding additional time and burden to any already harried and overtaxed TSA system. It is time to focus our efforts on those who represent the greatest risk.

That leads us to at least two possible conclusions and future directions to go.

First, that our current security system is therefore already adequate. It just needs to be tweaked and directed at those who pose the greatest threat given their “pre-test probability”, and spend less time clogging up security checkpoint lines excessively screening, in the name of “fairness”, those of us who pose no real risk.

Or, conversely, our government actually needs to slow down for a second, take a breath, think about what they are doing, and work on coming up with more creative and cost-effective screening systems that don’t encroach on the rights of decent Americans, as well as treat non-threats as de facto criminals in waiting. It would be wonderful for a change to actually see our government implement a plan that is not a knee-jerk, crisis-management type circus show each time an Abdul Mutallab-type climbs on-board an airplane that he, had the system that is already in place actually worked properly, never should have been on in the first place.

Thank you for your consideration of my position. I hope my points are echoed by your other constituents, as they most certainly are among my peers.


Sincerely,


-copro
 
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Too much to read, and looking to piggyback one cause onto another. The fact is, with terrorism, we got caught on 9/11, and now with a similar lapse, but with a better outcome.

Maybe it's best not to distract them with something else while they concentrate for a minute on figuring this out, eh?
 
I did an internship with a congressman back in the day. One of my jobs was to read such letters and pick out a proper form letter to reply with. I was the only person in the congressman's office who ever laid eyes on these letters. Too bad after such fine writing Copro.

Thanks for the "fine writing" comment, dude. And for your other points, that's why I posted it openly here. It's amazing what browsers get pointed to this website when you enter a search term into Google, even without Google-bombing.

-copro
 
On a separate note...

I made the mistake of sending Arlen Specter an email sometime back when I was still in residency. I no longer live in Pennsylvania. I seem to have gotten on his emailing list, and my in-box is periodically peppered with the detritus of his failing brain.

There's no obvious way for me to get off of his mailing list. You'd think there'd be a way for him to figure out that I'm no longer one of his constituents. Almost needless to say, and for a variety of reasons, I completely ceased to care what that man thinks, says, or does quite a while ago.

-copro
 
So, instead of slowly and insidiously allowing our government to march forward with an ongoing encroachment on the civil liberties of those of us who represent zero risk, it is time to stop.


You don't look like any of these guys?

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And for all you SP lovers out there...

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Mango rum...? That's a terrorist act right?


And I don't know why... but this pops up when I google "white terrorist"...

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I think we should definitely frisk her.


As far as I can tell, the people who represent the lowest threat are the East Asians. Should we have a special "express line" for Chinese and Japanese people...
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You don't look like any of these guys?

Why do some of you guys want to keep making this solely about looks? By repeating this, you demonstrate that you don't understand how profiling works.

Listen, I'm telling you - and I outlined in my letter to my congressman (sent, by the way) - that we may need to come up with a different system.

If, for example, I was required to travel with my passport at all times, and that passport was scanned both at the ticket counter when I checked it and at the security checkpoint when I went through, then one could easily figure out a system that would attach, for example, how I paid for my ticket, what my travel history is/was, where I live, where I work, etc., etc. The government can have all that information. In fact, they already do. THAT is part of profiling. If you don't have that information and/or the information you provide is sketchy, doesn't meet the predetermined criteria, sure you can still fly... but you're gonna get a microscope shoved up your ass. Why is that so hard for people to understand? THIS IS HOW PROFILING WORKS.

My biggest beef is with the "random" and pointless "fairness" screens that people who obviously do not fit any of the pre-screen criteria and have already made their way through the intial security get subjected to. The want to EXPAND that.

And, I'm not saying that I still shouldn't have to go through security. And, yes, I think the current systems in place (with regards to that) do more than enough and can't be substantially improved upon now with additional cost. In fact, as the El Al system points out, there are stilll HUGE holes in the system that can currently be exploited (eg., people who work servicing planes, etc.). We rely on adequate background checks to deem those employees mostly "safe". Why don't we use this primarily as a way to pre-screen people?

So, if you check-out with the documents you provide, and they are legitimate, you don't fit any profiling behaviors, aren't on any watch lists, and you still go through normal security... WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

Now, if you're gonna suggest that someone can fake documents to the point that they can trick an entire government-based screening system, then we've got MUCH bigger problems to address.

-copro
 
Why do some of you guys want to keep making this solely about looks? By repeating this, you demonstrate that you don't understand how profiling works.

Yeah... profiling is a no-brainer. As long as it's not some kind of overly-simplistic method based only on race, color, religion, or last name, as some suggest. But I do think anyone carrying mango rum should be placed on a watch list for sure.

There's more than one way for these losers to "win". They can kill people, yeah. That's one obvious way. But they can also push us resort to behaviors or mindsets which damage the fundamental American ethos. We need to neutralize the threat without turning on ourselves or our principles along the way.
 
Check a recent post I made of my experiences at that very airport this attempted bomber went through.

Oh, and if you really want to do something, make sure the story doesn't go away, and is just used as a measure to enact more absolute power measures for the executive branch. Smarter, not stronger, as my experience might have displayed. Make sure answers are given for how the guy got on the plane, and if it's true he didn't even have a passport.
 
Many posts on this thread are indisputable evidence that medical education does not necessarily make an individual less ignorant or less ******ed.
Very alarming and really sad. 🙁
 
I actually thought I was posting to the other ******ed thread and did not realize that now we have 2 of them!
But the same applies here too, it's very sad how you can be educated in medicine and illiterate in everything else!


Many posts on this thread are indisputable evidence that medical education does not necessarily make an individual less ignorant or less ******ed.
Very alarming and really sad. 🙁
 
I actually thought I was posting to the other ******ed thread and did not realize that now we have 2 of them!
But the same applies here too, it's very sad how you can be educated in medicine and illiterate in everything else!

MANGO RUM DRINKER!!!:boom:
 
It's very easy for someone to show up on a thread and claim that people or content are "illiterate" or "******ed" (which, is, at best, poor word choice in and of itself and, in the very least, factually and clearly untrue).

Or, on another thread, to do a drive-by post claiming people are "*****s" or "idiots" without really addressing any of the content of the discussion or adding anything to the discourse. It doesn't elucidate anything. It doesn't drive the discussion forward. It only shows little babyish immaturity and mental laziness on the part of the drive-by shooter.

In fact, this tactic is quite simply called argumentum ad hominem, and it is the cheapest and basest form of logical fallacy in any debate.

How about if you don't have anything of value to add on the thread or want to frame a counterpoint, you simply STFU, keep your valueless personal opinions about the posters making a valid cogent argument that you don't happen to agree with to yourself, and don't post at all?

-copro
 
It's very easy for someone to show up on a thread and claim that people or content are "illiterate" or "******ed" (which, is, at best, poor word choice in and of itself and, in the very least, factually and clearly untrue).

Or, on another thread, to do a drive-by post claiming people are "*****s" or "idiots" without really addressing any of the content of the discussion or adding anything to the discourse. It doesn't elucidate anything. It doesn't drive the discussion forward. It only shows little babyish immaturity and mental laziness on the part of the drive-by shooter.

In fact, this tactic is quite simply called argumentum ad hominem, and it is the cheapest and basest form of logical fallacy in any debate.

How about if you don't have anything of value to add on the thread or want to frame a counterpoint, you simply STFU, keep your valueless personal opinions about the posters making a valid cogent argument that you don't happen to agree with to yourself, and don't post at all?

-copro

Copro,

I don't need to defend Plankton, but you really must have a short term memory issue if you're really calling out Plankton on a drive-by posting. You're the king of 'em, man.

I don't mind re-posting a recent example:

(Coprolalia) I gotta ask...

Are you for real?

I mean, if this is the type of writing that passes for...

Give me a break, dude. My 2-year-old nephew could spew...

You're full of these drive-by postings, Copro.

As for your letter, I wish I could agree with what's in your letter to Congressman because I want some changes implemented as well. In a big way. However, your letter is largely difficult to read. At best. Have someone edit you in the future before sending something of such import to your Representative next time. Jokes aside. It's all over the place, poorly crafted, hard to follow your points and examples. I would call it stream-of-consciousness, but that gives stream-of-consciousness a bad name. Bring your A-game next time, Grasshopper.

Yours,
D712
 
Well, 712 thank you for quoting that imbecile! This made me read his delirium again but in a way it confirms my point about ignorance and illiteracy in someone who claims to be an MD!
I mean this guy is actually a freaking DOCTOR!!!
Can you believe that shiit????


Copro,

I don't need to defend Plankton, but you really must have a short term memory issue if you're really calling out Plankton on a drive-by posting. You're the king of 'em, man.

I don't mind re-posting...



You're full of these drive-by postings, Copro.

As for your letter, I wish I could agree with what's in your letter to Congressman because I want some changes implemented as well. In a big way. However, your letter is largely difficult to read. At best.
Have someone edit you in the future before sending something of such import to your Representative next time. Jokes aside. It's all over the place, poorly crafted, hard to follow your points and examples.

Yours,
D712
 
As for your letter, I wish I could agree with what's in your letter to Congressman because I want some changes implemented as well. In a big way. However, your letter is largely difficult to read. At best. Have someone edit you in the future before sending something of such import to your Representative next time. Jokes aside. It's all over the place, poorly crafted, hard to follow your points and examples. I would call it stream-of-consciousness, but that gives stream-of-consciousness a bad name. Bring your A-game next time, Grasshopper.

Yours,
D712

Man, I really hurt you, didn't I? Gosh, I'm so sorry.

Generally speaking, though, my comments are directed to those debating something important. They are cogent, logical, coherent, and easy to follow, despite your need to "act out" (you'll learn about that in med school) against me.

Have a wonderful New Year, Doctor712. You're going to be an awesome doctor someday!

-copro
 
Well, 712 thank you for quoting that imbecile! This made me read his delirium again but in a way it confirms my point about ignorance and illiteracy in someone who claims to be an MD!
I mean this guy is actually a freaking DOCTOR!!!
Can you believe that shiit????

Give it a break, Plankton. EVERYONE on this forum knows you read my posts. You're being incredibly disingenuous.

-copro
 
Haha, :laugh::laugh: you're SOOOOO easy. Like playing Monopoly. Only with Monopoly, I don't know if I'm gonna land on Boardwalk or Park Place. With you, it's SO predictable. And easy.

So, did you, like, um, miss the "acting out" lecture that day in med school? 😀😀😀 Seems so.

Lemme say this, that letter was NOT cogent, terse, pointed, well thought out, logical, coherent,
or, easy to follow. However, if it was an effort to compose a business letter on an 8th grade letter,
it was a masterpiece. Jokes aside, I actually (ALMOST) offered to rewrite it for you because it's an IMPORTANT letter nonetheless.

Thanks, Wizard of Copro, Happy and Healthy 2010 to you, too!

PLANKTON: I hear you loud and clear! I won't bash Copro anymore (holds breath) because
it was strangely easy to get his number, and it's less fun now. Besides, back to the thread at
hand...

D712





Man, I really hurt you, didn't I? Gosh, I'm so sorry.

Generally speaking, though, my comments are directed to those debating something important. They are cogent, logical, coherent, and easy to follow, despite your need to "act out" (you'll learn about that in med school) against me.

Have a wonderful New Year, Doctor712. You're going to be an awesome doctor someday!

-copro
 
Give it a break, Plankton. EVERYONE on this forum knows you read my posts. You're being incredibly disingenuous.

-copro


DAM$N!!!! I had 10-1 that he was going to spell "disingenuous" wrong. Oh well, can't win 'em all! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Copro, you, better than anyone, know it's in good fun. Sorry man, that was too easy a joke to let go! As for "hurting me," stop copying my posts and using my MO to reply to my own posts about being mad and getting a response, be original. You didn't hurt me. You just caught me on a night I was ready to fight back. I cannot take your criticism of my writing seriously. That's like you taking my criticism of your medical technique seriously, at least I'm honest about it. Grasshopper.

D712
 
DAM$N!!!! I had 10-1 that he was going to spell "disingenuous" wrong. Oh well, can't win 'em all! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Copro, you, better than anyone, know it's in good fun. Sorry man, that was too easy a joke to let go! As for "hurting me," stop copying my posts and using my MO to reply to my own posts about being mad and getting a response, be original. You didn't hurt me. You just caught me on a night I was ready to fight back. I cannot take your criticism of my writing seriously. That's like you taking my criticism of your medical technique seriously, at least I'm honest about it. Grasshopper.

D712

I seriously only half-know what you are talking about... seriously. It's not that I'm not able to follow you, I just vaguely remember criticizing your writing style (which, honestly, I recall being pretty bad). The rest is a blur. Must have been the vodka.

Care to point out the thread?

-copro
 
Something about "fade in" and "fade out"...? It was terrible. :laugh:

-copro
 
It's very easy for someone to show up on a thread and claim that people or content are "illiterate" or "******ed" (which, is, at best, poor word choice in and of itself and, in the very least, factually and clearly untrue).

Or, on another thread, to do a drive-by post claiming people are "*****s" or "idiots" without really addressing any of the content of the discussion or adding anything to the discourse. It doesn't elucidate anything. It doesn't drive the discussion forward. It only shows little babyish immaturity and mental laziness on the part of the drive-by shooter.

In fact, this tactic is quite simply called argumentum ad hominem, and it is the cheapest and basest form of logical fallacy in any debate.

How about if you don't have anything of value to add on the thread or want to frame a counterpoint, you simply STFU, keep your valueless personal opinions about the posters making a valid cogent argument that you don't happen to agree with to yourself, and don't post at all?

-copro

hmmm...
 
Oh, and your opinion of me matters none at all.

When I say that to people on this forum, I don't think they actually understand what I mean.

Let me clarify.

You are lucky that I even address you. You are not even a medical student, who I generally regard as pond scum. So, it's not even whether or not I care about your opinion, it's that as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. So, you can say whatever you want about me, about my writing style, about my abilities as a clinician... about any perception you have of me from what little you garner from this forum. (And, it is very little.)

In fact, you've gotta a lot of balls to come here and be such a f**king loudmouth. I admire that (a little), but you're going to get your ass completely kicked if you continue this habit in medical school and beyond.

We all know the "old dude" that went to medical school late. In most instances, they are a complete pain in the ass... a combination of either wispy soul-searcher, lazy guy who couldn't hack it in his other profession, or know-it-all-wanna-be-professor that walked around trying to teach us "life lessons" all the time.

You haven't earned it yet.

When you do, get back to me. Maybe then I'll start caring what you think.

-copro
 
Oh, and your opinion of me matters none at all.

When I say that to people on this forum, I don't think they actually understand what I mean.

Let me clarify.

You are lucky that I even address you. You are not even a medical student, who I generally regard as pond scum. So, it's not even whether or not I care about your opinion, it's that as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. So, you can say whatever you want about me, about my writing style, about my abilities as a clinician... about any perception you have of me from what little you garner from this forum. (And, it is very little.)

In fact, you've gotta a lot of balls to come here and be such a f**king loudmouth. I admire that (a little), but you're going to get your ass completely kicked if you continue this habit in medical school and beyond.

We all know the "old dude" that went to medical school late. In most instances, they are a complete pain in the ass... a combination of either wispy soul-searcher, lazy guy who couldn't hack it in his other profession, or know-it-all-wanna-be-professor that walked around trying to teach us "life lessons" all the time.

You haven't earned it yet.

When you do, get back to me. Maybe then I'll start caring what you think.

-copro

ouch, attg Copro, that was quite a lot.

I appreciate (and respect) your healthy skepticism by the way, and the salient points on the CO2 thread.👍
 

I rarely start it... and, Eta, for the record since you felt the need to comment, you are below amoeba **** in my book. Everything I said in the above post definitively applies to you as well.

-copro
 
ouch, attg Copro, that was quite a lot.

I appreciate (and respect) your healthy skepticism by the way, and the salient points on the CO2 thread.👍

Ibid.

-copro
 
I rarely start it... and, Eta, for the record since you felt the need to comment, you are below amoeba **** in my book. Everything I said in the above post definitively applies to you as well.

-copro

Time to grow up for you?
 
Yes copro you have proved your point. You have finally proven to everyone who didn't already know exactly who you are. I can only imagine the amount of time you spent constructing this waste of space on an anesthesiology forum.

Furthermore, the egomaniacal quoting of yourself only enhances your reputation, which I know you think is great.

I feel sorry for you because anyone that has the time to start so many tiresome threads and responses to almost every nonclinical thread only means that you don't have anything better going on in your life.

This probably explains why you are "dating" (sure you are...)
a 30+ yo with kids.

Now that I think of it, I can't think of anyone better to take care of some other dude's sperm. It's what you deserve.

Not my words




apparently not
 
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appropriate links:


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Yes copro you have proved your point. You have finally proven to everyone who didn't already know exactly who you are. I can only imagine the amount of time you spent constructing this waste of space on an anesthesiology forum.

Furthermore, the egomaniacal quoting of yourself only enhances your reputation, which I know you think is great.

I feel sorry for you because anyone that has the time to start so many tiresome threads and responses to almost every nonclinical thread only means that you don't have anything better going on in your life.

This probably explains why you are "dating" (sure you are...)
a 30+ yo with kids.

Now that I think of it, I can't think of anyone better to take care of some other dude's sperm. It's what you deserve.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=9008502&postcount=46
 
Eta, I didn't even see that post the first time it was posted! THANKS! Hysterical! And, lately at any given time I'm "dating" about 3-4 women. I wanted to tie the knot not too long ago... realizing what a HUGE mistake that would've been. The one with the kids is particularly hot, for the record. As Mark Cuban said, "having money makes you smell a lot better to women!"

I love that I can get such a reaction out of some of you f***s! :laugh:

-copro
 
Oh, and your opinion of me matters none at all.

When I say that to people on this forum, I don't think they actually understand what I mean.

Let me clarify.

You are lucky that I even address you. You are not even a medical student, who I generally regard as pond scum. So, it's not even whether or not I care about your opinion, it's that as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. So, you can say whatever you want about me, about my writing style, about my abilities as a clinician... about any perception you have of me from what little you garner from this forum. (And, it is very little.)

In fact, you've gotta a lot of balls to come here and be such a f**king loudmouth. I admire that (a little), but you're going to get your ass completely kicked if you continue this habit in medical school and beyond.

We all know the "old dude" that went to medical school late. In most instances, they are a complete pain in the ass... a combination of either wispy soul-searcher, lazy guy who couldn't hack it in his other profession, or know-it-all-wanna-be-professor that walked around trying to teach us "life lessons" all the time.

You haven't earned it yet.

When you do, get back to me. Maybe then I'll start caring what you think.

-copro

Hahahahahaha. Love it. You pretend you don't care, then write five paragraphs explaining why you DON'T. You NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME.

I'm lucky that you address me??? :wtf:
🤣

It's a shame, Copro. Ol' Grand Wizard, Copro. Because I really laugh OUT LOUD at your posts. You're genuinely funny. If only in a pathetic way. But really, YOU MAKE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD.

When you answer a clinical question I have, I'll consider myself lucky. Just remember, Boychick, I became a loudmouth when you (and another here) decided to start in with me, with your hit-and-run posts. I'm glad you admire me for speaking up. And I'll be sure to think of you when I come across an Attending in med school who screws with me. Clearly, at Med School, I'll bite my tongue. Outside work, NOT A CHANCE. The fact that you actually define people by their pre-med status, those who, again, parking spot grasshopper, are more successful in their career than you, is hi-f9cking-larious.

I don't wanna teach you life lessons. You're unteachable. I have about as much chance of teaching you anything about life as you do in teaching medical students medicine...which, for the record, is probably why no administrator in his/her right mind would put you in the same room with one. Right? Riiight.

Lastly, KEEP IT DOWN, I just popped in, The Hangover," haven't seen it yet, and you're about as entertaining as the opening credits rolling across the screen. Actually, a little less. So, Shhhhhhhhhh.

D712
 
Al Qaeda straps ******ed women with bombs, blows them up by remote
BY David Saltonstall
DAILY NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT

Saturday, February 2nd 2008, 12:25 AM
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In an act of stunning depravity, Iraqi insurgents Friday strapped bombs to two mentally ******ed women and sent them into crowded Baghdad pet bazaars - the unknowing sent to kill the unwitting by the inhuman.

The coordinated blasts - 20 minutes apart in different parts of the city - claimed at least 91 lives in the deadliest day since the U.S. flooded Baghdad with extra troops last spring.

"I don't know how I survived," said Abu Haider, who was covered in blood as he stood among ruined stalls and carcasses of birds and other animals at the central al-Ghazl market.

"I was right there at the scene when the blast happened. It knocked me over. When I managed to get up, I saw dozens had been killed and wounded."

The blasts, attributed to Al Qaeda in Iraq, seemed to reinforce U.S. claims that the terrorists are increasingly desperate and running short of able-bodied men.

Brig. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, Iraq's chief military spokesman, said the women had Down syndrome and likely didn't know they were on suicide missions. He said police found cell phones the cowardly terrorists used to detonate the bombs by remote.

In Washington, Secretary of State Rice said the bombings prove Al Qaeda is "the most brutal and bankrupt of movements. The Iraqi people have been right to turn against these terrible, violent people in their midst who will do anything," Rice said.

...Yea profiling it works until they start strapping bombs to ******s and recruiting white people. You know David Boyd the redneck Jihadist, Richard Reid who was mixed English and Jamaican, and lets not forget the underwear bomber who was black.
 
I seriously only half-know what you are talking about... seriously. It's not that I'm not able to follow you, I just vaguely remember criticizing your writing style (which, honestly, I recall being pretty bad). The rest is a blur. Must have been the vodka.

Care to point out the thread?

-copro


No.

I love your style though, Copro. You're almost there! Points for trying!
 
So, which is it DOCTOR712, are you watching a movie or are you posting on this forum? You "challenge" post me (how long do you think I've been around), don't get an immediate answer, then drop a second post? Dude, you can't beat me at this game.

Make up your mind. And, just because your opinion holds no merit with me doesn't mean that I won't read and respond to your posts. I said you are lucky that I respond to you. Apparently you can't comprehend the distinction.

-copro
 
Copro, I like your passion and taking the time to write our representatives in DC. I email them on a regular basis. May I make a suggestion? As Dream said, no one of importance reads anything we write, but at least the "nobody" in the office might read what we write if you keep it brief.

I barely glanced on your letter, not because I don't want to hear what you have to say, but because it had the appearance of the Unibomber Manifesto; just incredibly too long for me to read even if I had extreme interest in knowing what was written. My ADD got to about sentence 2 before I forwarded ahead to the following intra-board warfare.

But keep hammering them in DC. I regularly tell my Republican Senators that I don't care about their reelection as I also remind them I donated the maximum to Peter Schiff's Republican campaign in another state, Connecticut.
 
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And, doctor712, it's New Year's day and you're not watching football?

Yeah, you're going to fit in real well in the Ortho room... if you ever actually make it to anesthesia residency... before you're 70. :laugh:

You are making a big mistake going into this field, dude. Big mistake. Especially at your age.

-copro
 
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Copro, I like your passion and taking the time to write our jackoffs in DC. I email them hate mail on a regular basis. May I make a suggestion? As Dream said, no one of importance reads anything we write, but at least the "nobody" in the office might read what we write if you keep it brief.

I barely glanced on your letter, not because I don't want to hear what you have to say, but because it had the appearance of the Unibomber Manifesto; just incredibly too long for me to read even if I had extreme interest in knowing what was written.
My ADD got to about sentence 2 before I forwarded ahead to the following intra-board warfare.

But keep hammering them in DC. I regularly tell my Republican Senators that I don't give a crap about their reelection as I also remind them I donated the maximum to Peter Schiff's Republican campaign in another state, Connecticut.

Yeah, that's the problem with today's culture: we want all our difficult problems boiled-down to a few soundbites. And, I recognize that the snot-nose early-20's-something political climber sitting in (X)'s office is probably going to have the same reaction as you.

Just like the long laborious emails I'm still getting from Arlen Specter... another person who's opinion I could not possibly care less about.

Cut-and-paste. Keep the stuff you like. Throw the rest out. Write your own goddamned letter. But, at least do or say something about this subject to those who are supposed to be in charge. Our government is getting completely out of hand.

-copro
 
So, which is it DOCTOR712, are you watching a movie or are you posting on this forum? You "challenge" post me (how long do you think I've been around), don't get an immediate answer, then drop a second post? Dude, you can't beat me at this game.

Make up your mind. And, just because your opinion holds no merit with me doesn't mean that I won't read and respond to your posts. I said you are lucky that I respond to you. Apparently you can't comprehend the distinction.

-copro

Sorry, friend Skyped me from Paraguay, got distracted. Actually, Co, what you said was "You are lucky that I even address you". Nothing really there about "responding to me," darling. Sorry I couldn't read your mind. Sorry you can't read your own posts. Learn how to communicate and we'll see if we can make a game of this, ay?

I don't want to "beat you at this game", Copro. I just want you to talk more so you can beat yourself. Pun intended.

Oh, wise Wizard.

D712
 
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So, which is it DOCTOR712, are you watching a movie or are you posting on this forum? You "challenge" post me (how long do you think I've been around), don't get an immediate answer, then drop a second post? Dude, you can't beat me at this game.

Make up your mind. And, just because your opinion holds no merit with me doesn't mean that I won't read and respond to your posts. I said you are lucky that I respond to you. Apparently you can't comprehend the distinction.

-copro

AGAIN, LORD, stop USING my tricks, Copro. You know the one where I asked you, "are you posting to me or are you with the woman who knocked on your door"? I paraphrase of course. Are you genuinely that lacking for original thought? To answer, I was multitasking. Movies and posting are conducive to multitasking. Sex with you is apparently equally conducive to multitasking. As evidenced by the 22 minute gap in the knock on your door and your next post on SDN!!!

Lord.

As for Football on 1/1/10, no, hockey. H-O-C-K-E-Y.

Thanks, Grasshopper.
 
Eta, I didn't even see that post the first time it was posted! THANKS! Hysterical! And, lately at any given time I'm "dating" about 3-4 women. I wanted to tie the knot not too long ago... realizing what a HUGE mistake that would've been. The one with the kids is particularly hot, for the record. As Mark Cuban said, "having money makes you smell a lot better to women!"

I love that I can get such a reaction out of some of you f***s! :laugh:

-copro

FOLKS: Either they're 3-4 F-UGLY women - at any given time - or you ought to remember who is posting: COPRO, THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF COPROLALIA!!!! I WOULD HATE to see what's behind that curtain, oooooph.
 
FEEL FREE TO CUT AND PASTE AND FORWARD TO YOUR RESPECTIVE MEMBER OF CONGRESS/SENATE/POTUS:

Dear Mr. President/Senator/Congressman/Congresswoman:

Happy New Year! I hope this letter finds you and your family well.

I’m writing to you, as a physician and one of your constituents (in your State), to express my concerns about the recent incident involving Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, and the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines flight 253. According to the main details reported in the media, it appears that this was an isolated event that was imminently preventable had the proper systems already in place acted in concert and as supposed.

As a practicing physician who was born in the U.S., educated in the U.S., and having chosen to continue to live my life and engage in the practice of medicine in the U.S., I can personally disclose and vouch with the highest level of certainty to whomever may be interested that I represent exactly zero terrorist risk to anyone when I board an airplane either here in the U.S. or, for that matter, anywhere else in the world. And, that is the reason I’m writing to you now.

Please allow me to use a medical analogy for a moment, which is especially timely as we attempt to contain costs with the recent passage of the modified Healthcare Reform Bill in the House and Senate.

Imagine, if you will, a patient who presents to the emergency department of a local hospital. He is in his mid-fifties, has truncal obesity, is a heavy smoker, and is diabetic. He is complaining of mild chest pain. The on-duty Emergency Department physician reviews his history briefly, orders some tests, and determines that there is a likelihood that he is having a cardiac event. But, that same physicians cannot be, at that immediate point in time, 100% certain. So, the patient is sent him home.

He dies.

This is tantamount to what happened in the Abdul Mutallab case. But, fortunately, in the Mutallab case, no one died. All of the screening tests utilized gave a reasonably high level of certainty that he should never have boarded that flight. So, why then was he allowed to board? That is the real question that needs to be answered in this affair. This appears to be a case of misapplication of effective technology and human failure, not one of current systems.

In the medical world, we use what’s called “pre-test probability” and apply the principles of Bayes theorem to determine essentially when further testing is warranted. In the example medical case I provided and based on those principles, it would have been absolutely wrong for any physician to send this theoretical patient home. At the very least, he should have been kept for additional observation and testing.

Conversely, in the case of, say, an otherwise healthy 25-year-old female who presents to the emergency room with a complaint of chest pain, the likelihood of it being truly cardiac in origin is extremely low. In her case, it would not be prudent or good medical practice to order a battery of more sophisticated tests to simply rule out the possibility that it might be. It would be a waste of resources and only add additional cost with a next-to-zero probability of yielding a positive result. Furthermore, if we screened everyone who presented with a complaint of “chest pain” with a full, invasive cardiac work-up, it would add immeasurable additional unnecessary cost to an already-burdened system.

That’s tantamount to what the government is now proposing.

Instead of looking at the “pre-test probability” of certain cohorts of people who represent the greatest potential risk, the government’s latest proposal is to additionally screen, with more invasive procedures, everyone who presents to the airport. Can anyone, at this time, even remotely predict how much additional cost and burden to the airline system this will add? These current proposals being potentially suggested as additional tactics for use by the TSA might be the last nail in the coffin of an already ailing airline industry. And, personally, I am a busy, practicing physician who doesn’t believe I should have to present to the airport six hours each time before I board a domestic flight with the proposition that I might be virtually strip-searched (or worse) when, fact is, I represent absolutely no risk to anyone.

Right now, our Nation’s leaders seem to suffer from a perpetual case of “zero risk bias”. And, my contention is that, as we add further and more ridiculous screening tests to the pre-flight checklist, we will not and cannot more definitively improve security. The terrorists are far cleverer than we often give them credit at figuring out ways to thwart whatever systems we put in place. It’s time to change tactics altogether.

So, instead of slowly and insidiously allowing our government to march forward with an ongoing encroachment on the civil liberties of those of us who represent zero risk, it is time to stop. It is time to stop wasting more money. It is time to stop wasting resources. It is time to stop adding additional time and burden to any already harried and overtaxed TSA system. It is time to focus our efforts on those who represent the greatest risk.

That leads us to at least two possible conclusions and future directions to go.

First, that our current security system is therefore already adequate. It just needs to be tweaked and directed at those who pose the greatest threat given their “pre-test probability”, and spend less time clogging up security checkpoint lines excessively screening, in the name of “fairness”, those of us who pose no real risk.

Or, conversely, our government actually needs to slow down for a second, take a breath, think about what they are doing, and work on coming up with more creative and cost-effective screening systems that don’t encroach on the rights of decent Americans, as well as treat non-threats as de facto criminals in waiting. It would be wonderful for a change to actually see our government implement a plan that is not a knee-jerk, crisis-management type circus show each time an Abdul Mutallab-type climbs on-board an airplane that he, had the system that is already in place actually worked properly, never should have been on in the first place.

Thank you for your consideration of my position. I hope my points are echoed by your other constituents, as they most certainly are among my peers.


Sincerely,


-copro

You are an idiot.
 
Hey cop, if you really didn't care what these single celled prokaryotes said about you, then why do you constantly feel the need to let it be known? Just the mere acknowledgment that they showed up on your radar exemplifies that not only do you care, you NEED these types of people to express, ad nauseam, your apathy towards them (maybe to uphold some image that you wish to portray on this forum).

As for this thread, I can see its clearly getting flushed where it belongs. Before it degrades to page 10, though it has no relevance, it's still amusing:

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It's very easy for someone to show up on a thread and claim that people or content are "illiterate" or "******ed" (which, is, at best, poor word choice in and of itself and, in the very least, factually and clearly untrue).

Or, on another thread, to do a drive-by post claiming people are "*****s" or "idiots" without really addressing any of the content of the discussion or adding anything to the discourse. It doesn't elucidate anything. It doesn't drive the discussion forward. It only shows little babyish immaturity and mental laziness on the part of the drive-by shooter.

In fact, this tactic is quite simply called argumentum ad hominem, and it is the cheapest and basest form of logical fallacy in any debate.

How about if you don't have anything of value to add on the thread or want to frame a counterpoint, you simply STFU, keep your valueless personal opinions about the posters making a valid cogent argument that you don't happen to agree with to yourself, and don't post at all?

-copro

I agree 100% on this. Personal attacks meant to silence a debate/discussion are an all to common tactic by people (not saying you Plank) who really don't want a debate or discussion of a particular topic.

It's easier to call people names in an attempt to silence them.....
 
I agree 100% on this. Personal attacks meant to silence a debate/discussion are an all to common tactic by people (not saying you Plank) who really don't want a debate or discussion of a particular topic.

It's easier to call people names in an attempt to silence them.....

Guilty, as charged.

:laugh:

But, if you say something interesting, thoughtful, entertaining, provocative, novel, or otherwise not boring, I'll probably pat you on the back.

Be more succinct. That's the take home message I got on this thread. Roger that. Don't know if I can accomplish that, though. I have a lot to say. So, for the few people who actually do read all of my posts and get something from them, thank you. I'll continue to try in the future not to disappoint.

Still, be it known that I do this mostly for me... if you want to tag along, great. I'm not here primarily for either approval and approbation or pointers, but I will definitely respond to criticism. That's part of the fun of participating in a forum.

-copro
 
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