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Hi - I love this thread! It's awesome!

I'm graduating from a very good college, but I really screwed around in undergrad. It's hard to say I regret it - I wasn't the person I am now, and I was completely out of touch with my actual wants. It would now make me incredibly happy to exert myself in whatever way possible to become a doctor.

Thing is, I've really been interested (during my last semester) in going into medicine, and was hoping that I could get some advice.

I have about a 3.37/4.00 as a Comp Sci major, and haven't taken any science classes.

Are there any lower-level formal postbacc programs that would be good (as I'm not a strong enough candidate for Bryn Mawr etc), or should I do it informally at whatever school I can nearby? Cost isn't an issue.

I also do well on standardized testing, if that means anything.
 
You sound like a great candidate for HES.

Hi - I love this thread! It's awesome!

I'm graduating from a very good college, but I really screwed around in undergrad. It's hard to say I regret it - I wasn't the person I am now, and I was completely out of touch with my actual wants. It would now make me incredibly happy to exert myself in whatever way possible to become a doctor.

Thing is, I've really been interested (during my last semester) in going into medicine, and was hoping that I could get some advice.

I have about a 3.37/4.00 as a Comp Sci major, and haven't taken any science classes.

Are there any lower-level formal postbacc programs that would be good (as I'm not a strong enough candidate for Bryn Mawr etc), or should I do it informally at whatever school I can nearby? Cost isn't an issue.

I also do well on standardized testing, if that means anything.
 
You sound like a great candidate for HES.
Ah, funny you'd say that... My one concern is that I have a lot of distractions around Harvard, and I'd really like a change of scenery - is there anything like that anywhere else in the country?
 
A lot of places have post-baccs like that, just HES is unique that it's cheap and it has sponsorship and I guess it's in Boston.
 
A lot of places have post-baccs like that, just HES is unique that it's cheap and it has sponsorship and I guess it's in Boston.
I guess I'm just looking for a postbac program with sponsorship and admissions standards that aren't too stringent. But it seems like Harvard's uniquely cheap?
 
I guess I'm just looking for a postbac program with sponsorship and admissions standards that aren't too stringent. But it seems like Harvard's uniquely cheap?

Idk, I'd pick harvard over all but the very best programs, personally.
 
I'm applying to SMPs this year, but wanted some additional feedback.

I'm taking MCATs April 23rd. I'm scoring about low 30s on my practice tests.

My sGPA is crap ... about a 3.0-3.1
My cGPA is also crap 3.157 is what it says on my transcript.

The thing is, I did well in my pre-requisites. In ochem I got A/B+/B+ and A- in lab , Physics I got A/A/B, Biology A/B, Chemistry A/B/A-, Calculus A+ (My pre-req GPA together is like a 3.57-3.6)

What I didn't do well in are my upper division science classes. I did well in some, but my grades dropped my 3rd year due to problems concentrating due to a health scare. I was a biochem major with a minor in history. I switched to biochem major from history my 4th year and I recklessly took every upper division science class I could... I think I took almost every single upper div biology class offered at my school. In hindsight, I shoulda just stuck to my history major and took my pre-reqs and applied... totally sabotaged myself.

I graduated last year in Spring of 2009. I was in a Master's program for a quarter, but left because it was all research and I didn't get to take any classes. Since then I've been taking classes at UCLA and UCLA extension:
I took Macroeconomics (A), Public Speaking (A)--was thinking of applying to Pharmacy school, Cell Biology (A-, retake), Anatomy (C), Neurophysiology (A-), Developmental Biology (C+), Physiology (A, retake but 6 units)

ECs: Volunteer Research at Autism lab my sophomore year for about a year. 150 hours volunteering. Will start shadowing a DO next week.

I'm going to apply to osteopathic schools this year for the hell of it and hope I get in. If not, hopefully I'll be able to do SMPs and reapply. A few questions:
1) Does it even matter at all that I did well in my pre-req courses even though I did poorly in my upper div science classes? Because I know there are tons of people who just take the pre-reqs and apply with a high GPA.
2) Should I apply this cycle to MD schools? Do I even have a shot at DO?
 
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I guess I'm just looking for a postbac program with sponsorship and admissions standards that aren't too stringent. But it seems like Harvard's uniquely cheap?

Sorry to labor the point, but cost aside, is Harvard a much much better pick than Columbia?

For an east coast post-bacc program, HES is uniquely cheap, the admissions standards aren't too stringent and it has sponsorship. If you are worried about distractions, I really don't know what to tell you.

Columbia is far more costly and from everything that I've heard, it is more structured but I'd be hard pressed to say that Columbia produces better results than HES.
 
For an east coast post-bacc program, HES is uniquely cheap, the admissions standards aren't too stringent and it has sponsorship. If you are worried about distractions, I really don't know what to tell you.

Columbia is far more costly and from everything that I've heard, it is more structured but I'd be hard pressed to say that Columbia produces better results than HES.
That and people coming out of Columbia seem to be at the two extremes - into med school, or really wasted their time. Its strange cos some ppl rave about it and others seem to have been destroyed by the program
 
Hello everyone. I have been reading the thread to look for an answer to my situation but have not found exactly what to do. I am just finishing up my 2 year Teach For America commitment and have decided that I really want to pursue medicine. In college I began with this intent, however I changed my major to business somewhere along the line thinking that I wanted to work for a corporation. I have taken a few of the pre-reqs and also some upper division science coursework in Physiology and Neurobiology.I have not taken the MCAT. I am not sure what my best option would be for next year. I am looking into post-baccs and I have looked into the HES and am thinking that is my best bet due to time and financial reasons, but am also wondering if pursuing a 2nd bachelors might be more beneficial to my GPA at a state school. Any advice you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Bachelors in Economics
cGPA: 3.189
sGPA: 3.167

Thanks!
 
Hello everyone. I have been reading the thread to look for an answer to my situation but have not found exactly what to do. I am just finishing up my 2 year Teach For America commitment and have decided that I really want to pursue medicine. In college I began with this intent, however I changed my major to business somewhere along the line thinking that I wanted to work for a corporation. I have taken a few of the pre-reqs and also some upper division science coursework in Physiology and Neurobiology.I have not taken the MCAT. I am not sure what my best option would be for next year. I am looking into post-baccs and I have looked into the HES and am thinking that is my best bet due to time and financial reasons, but am also wondering if pursuing a 2nd bachelors might be more beneficial to my GPA at a state school. Any advice you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!


Bachelors in Economics
cGPA: 3.189
sGPA: 3.167

Thanks!

Some things that might help people give advice would be:
Where do you live?
Would you be inclined to relocate for 1-2 years?
Is cost an issue for you and how much would you realistically see yourself paying for this?
Is time an issue for you?
Do you have clinical experience?

For me, I would say if you live on the East Coast, HES is a great option that is available for the reasons you cited above (cheap and more flexible with time). If you live elsewhere in the nation, other programs that are formal and allow for students who have taken some of the pre-reqs but not all would be UT Dallas (also relatively cheap) and UVA. You can do research on these yourself if you are interested.

The advantages to doing it at a formal post-bacc program would be among other things, a structured curriculum (may or may not be right for you), reputation, possible linkage (depending on which program), maybe establish residency (also depending on which program and location), committee letter, and a solid education catered towards getting you into the professional program that you wish to attend.

That said, disadvantages would be as well, location(you may need to relocate), time (it would probably be a shorter amount of time, but it might not be flexible), and cost.

Another thing that I would keep in mind is if you wanted to pursue osteopathic or allopathic paths. If you are considering DO, a third option for you would be attending a local university and simply taking the pre-reqs while focusing on obtaining a good score for the MCAT. With a good MCAT score and a complete application otherwise you may be able to get favorable responses on the osteopathic path.
 
Some things that might help people give advice would be:
Where do you live?
Would you be inclined to relocate for 1-2 years?
Is cost an issue for you and how much would you realistically see yourself paying for this?
Is time an issue for you?
Do you have clinical experience?

For me, I would say if you live on the East Coast, HES is a great option that is available for the reasons you cited above (cheap and more flexible with time). If you live elsewhere in the nation, other programs that are formal and allow for students who have taken some of the pre-reqs but not all would be UT Dallas (also relatively cheap) and UVA. You can do research on these yourself if you are interested.

The advantages to doing it at a formal post-bacc program would be among other things, a structured curriculum (may or may not be right for you), reputation, possible linkage (depending on which program), maybe establish residency (also depending on which program and location), committee letter, and a solid education catered towards getting you into the professional program that you wish to attend.

That said, disadvantages would be as well, location(you may need to relocate), time (it would probably be a shorter amount of time, but it might not be flexible), and cost.

Another thing that I would keep in mind is if you wanted to pursue osteopathic or allopathic paths. If you are considering DO, a third option for you would be attending a local university and simply taking the pre-reqs while focusing on obtaining a good score for the MCAT. With a good MCAT score and a complete application otherwise you may be able to get favorable responses on the osteopathic path.

Thank you for the reply, it is very helpful. I am currently living in Los Angeles, but am from the Midwest. I am open to moving if necessary, and it happens that Boston is the most convenient move for me at this point. I have considered DO but am not 100% sure if it is for me. I do not have any clinical experience, and I have read that through the HES it is possible to find time to work and get clinical experience. Do you know anymore about this? I also will need to work at least part time in order to finance the debts I already have incurred in undergrad.
 
If you will need to work and time flexibility is really a concern for you then I would point you to either the UC extension (I think they have some at UCLA and SD) if you wished to stay in LA or if you so wished, HES in Boston. The UT Dallas program would also work, I believe they cater towards students that wish for a strict curriculum and those who wish to take them on a more flexible schedule. I will say this though since I do know this to be true but that Texas schools consider the UT Dallas program pretty highly and they are currently formulating a linkage where if you complete a certain # of units with a 3.75 and above with a 30 MCAT you should get interviews at all the Texas schools. I do not know if this has been finalized but it has been brought up in previous posts by students currently in the UT Dallas program. That said, HES has a good reputation on these boards for a decent success rate and is quite affordable. It is not the same as Harvard though and I would not place too much hope on the name carrying over into helping your application though the program itself is solid.

there may be other programs in the midwest that also qualify for your concerns but I do not know of any off the top of my head that are reputable.
 
I'm planning on graduating spring of 2011 and am debating between a formal/informal post-bacc.. my question is if I graduated from university A and went to university B to do an informal post-bacc, how would my GPA be calculated? Would I have two separate GPA's or would the classes I take at University B count toward my undergraduate GPA from university A?

Sorry if this is a trivial question and thanks for the responses.
 
I'm planning on graduating spring of 2011 and am debating between a formal/informal post-bacc.. my question is if I graduated from university A and went to university B to do an informal post-bacc, how would my GPA be calculated? Would I have two separate GPA's or would the classes I take at University B count toward my undergraduate GPA from university A?

Sorry if this is a trivial question and thanks for the responses.

Although you'd have separate transcripts, the AMCAS application uses ALL undergraduate work to compute a single cumGPA and a single BCPM GPA.

Side note: since you're graduating next year, do everything you can to get the best grades. Don't just say, "well, I'm planning on doing a post-bacc anyway, so it doesn't matter what my senior grades are." If you rock your senior year, you'll have less to worry about in a post-bacc year, since you didn't dig a deeper hole.
 
Hey! Welcome to this board- it's a really great one.
So this question is actually really off-topic but how did you manage to get into TFA with your GPA? I've really only seen them take people who are literally at the top of the class...

But to be more on topic- I don't think a 2nd Bachelors is necessary. Your situation is similar to mine, perhaps a little better. Just take courses to raise your science GPA. You will raise your cumulative GPA in the process and study for the MCAT de facto. You can indeed do this at HES (that's what I plan on doing) or elsewhere, but HES is probably the best since it is the most successful and cheapest. You'll be fine with some determination and patience, and your story would be interesting for Adcoms, in my opinion.
Good luck!!

I think that I was able to get into TFA because they evaluate you based more on things that you have done over GPA. The interview I think is a HUGE component and I think I was able do to that part really well! Thank you for the info on this... I decided to apply to the HES program as well as UT-Dallas, and am crossing my finger for an acceptance at HES as it is my preference.

To JSLO85 - Thank you for all your help. I have decided to apply both to the HES program and UT-Dallas. My preference I think is going to be HES just because of it seems to be more flexible. I really appreciate all the input you have given me. Thank you!
 
No problem and I hope things work out for you. Good luck
 
Hello, new to this network, just joined a few seconds ago because i am starting to STRESS about graduation. I am currently a junior biology major/psych minor at SUNY Albany in upstate New York. My cumulative GPA right now is a 2.26, in the sciences a 2.19 😕 I am really trying so hard to get my grades up this semester and as of now i seem to be doing well!! But I am graduating next May (2011) and my original plan was to go on to PA school, but as of now with the GPA i have a accumulated i dont think that is an option.

i have heard about Post-BACC programs to get the GPA up, but those are competitive as well. The medical field has always been a passion of mine, i honestly just didn't realize how hard it was going to be. I thought of giving up many many times, but i am just not a quitter -i dont have it in me. so here i am starting to FREAK about what my options are ... because as of now i feel like i wil be going no where in life .... any replies would be such a great help! thank you-
 
Kiki - a 2.26 is a bit of a disaster. I've no idea what the avg applicant to PA school looks like stat-wise but I don't think you are competitive either way.

You need to take a ton of upper level science classes to improve your situation by getting a 4.0. If you can't do that (grade-wise) - i'd start to think about alternate fields
 
This seems like the right thread for me :scared:
Current 3rd year at top ten university, anthro major
Will graduate with:
science gpa: 3.1 (retake in genetics and 1 quarter of ochem)
overall gpa: 3.35
good eccs, some family hardship during second year (reason for retakes)
no mcat yet, have not taken physics or biochem yet...unsure what the next step is? Any advice is welcome!
 
Hello, new to this network, just joined a few seconds ago because i am starting to STRESS about graduation. I am currently a junior biology major/psych minor at SUNY Albany in upstate New York. My cumulative GPA right now is a 2.26, in the sciences a 2.19 😕 I am really trying so hard to get my grades up this semester and as of now i seem to be doing well!! But I am graduating next May (2011) and my original plan was to go on to PA school, but as of now with the GPA i have a accumulated i dont think that is an option.

i have heard about Post-BACC programs to get the GPA up, but those are competitive as well. The medical field has always been a passion of mine, i honestly just didn't realize how hard it was going to be. I thought of giving up many many times, but i am just not a quitter -i dont have it in me. so here i am starting to FREAK about what my options are ... because as of now i feel like i wil be going no where in life .... any replies would be such a great help! thank you-

Your cGPA and sGPA are very troubling to say the least. How many units do you have in either? You can start an informal post-bacc whenever you want which would entail enrolling in a local university or even staying at the university you're at and taking classes in the hopes to boost your GPA to a more reasonable number. I would say your numbers make attending any formal post-bacc or SMP virtually impossible at the moment. Do some rough calculations on what it would take to get you into a program that you are interested in.

This seems like the right thread for me :scared:
Current 3rd year at top ten university, anthro major
Will graduate with:
science gpa: 3.1 (retake in genetics and 1 quarter of ochem)
overall gpa: 3.35
good eccs, some family hardship during second year (reason for retakes)
no mcat yet, have not taken physics or biochem yet...unsure what the next step is? Any advice is welcome!

Interesting, you took Genetics and Organic Chemistry without any science background? Is that sGPA (3.1) the grade with the final grade being the retaken grade or is it averaged? It's a bit of a shame that you actually started taking science classes because most pre-med post-bacc programs usually ask for students with no science background/coursework whatsoever. Now I don't think you have taken much so I would call a couple of them to see if you qualify.

If you do qualify, browse around this section of the forum for pre-med post-bacc programs. If you do not qualify, then formal programs that would cater to someone who has not taken all science pre-reqs would be UVA or UT Dallas among others. Sorry I'm a bit pressed on time so this is hurried and a bit disorganized but PM if you have any further questions. Ask Dr. Midlife or Drizzt for the best (imho) unbiased advice here.
 
Actually, the sGpa is the average of those retakes. If I were to get b/b+'s only next year, the average would be a 3.15 science...
 
Cool.

Either way your stats if they are below a 3.4 put you out of the low end of the competitive range of pre-med applicants for the top formal post-bacc programs such as Goucher, BM, Scripps and JHU from all that I've heard. I have no idea if they will ignore the 2 classes that you've taken as they seem to only take in students who have no pre-req background but you can always ask. If not UVA and UT Dallas are both great programs. You can also do the pre-reqs at places like Temple BCMS (don't know how strict they are on pre-reqs)) or SFSU or HES or even at a local university. Bottom line is do well wherever you are, score high on the MCAT and apply early and I don't see any potential problems.
 
The original question was posted here, but I figured this would also be a good place to ask:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=718992

My chem grades are pretty bad (and are mostly the reason I have a slightly sub 3.0 ug GPA), and I was hoping to remedy at least some of them this summer. The rest of my stats I think are ok...(31 MCAT, translational, public health, and clinical research, 1 paper published, will be presenting abstracts at a few conferences).

Thanks for your help!
 
skbirdie510:
But anyways, is orgo the only prereq u haven't done? or are you repeating it because you did poorly?

What are your two grad degrees in?
 
skbirdie510:
But anyways, is orgo the only prereq u haven't done? or are you repeating it because you did poorly?

What are your two grad degrees in?

No, it's just that I did the worst in those (C- for I and II owing to illness). Gen Chem wasn't exactly too hot either (C+ for I and II) but I figured as far as time constraints go, it would be better to re-take the pre-med courses I did worst in.

I'm doing an MPH and an M.S. in General Biology. Almost done with the M.S., and only a course left for the MPH.
 
So you should repeat any class you got a C in unless you have proven upper level sciences in that subject that redeem it. But it doesnt sound like thats the case.

How are your grades in the MS in Bio?
 
I'm wondering what kind of a chance I would get with my stats in going into an MD program (I really want to go to my alma mater, UC Irvine).

Graduated with a BS in Bio
sgpa: 2.7
cgpa: 3.0

Postbacc with 92 units (basically retook all my lower division science and took upper division sciences that I haven't taken before)
post-bacc gpa: 3.93

Haven't taken my MCATs yet, but practice test have been giving me around 33-40.

Thanks for any forthcoming advice and/or critiques.
 
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So you should repeat any class you got a C in unless you have proven upper level sciences in that subject that redeem it. But it doesnt sound like thats the case.

How are your grades in the MS in Bio?

Mostly A's and A-'s, a few B+s here and there.
 
Sorry to labor the point, but cost aside, is Harvard a much much better pick than Columbia?

Allow me to provide as much guidance as I can.

I was accepted to Columbia and have decided to go to Harvard. What Columbia does better than Harvard is provide a structured environment. They tell you when to go to class, where to volunteer, ad nauseaum.

Harvard is distinctly different from that--there you set your own schedule, find your own extracurriculars, and do the leg work for yourself. If you're one of those do-it-yourself types, then it fits amazingly.

HOWEVER, I've spoken with MULTIPLE, current Columbia students who have said that if they could do it over, they would certainly go to Harvard. From no less than a dozen students there, I've heard that the students are competitive, the administration isn't helpful, and have even heard a handful of horror stories from alumni regarding botched letters of recommendation that subsequently cost them their admission to medical school.

I feel like so many students giving their desperate testimonials HAS to speak to something.
 
Sorry to labor the point, but cost aside, is Harvard a much much better pick than Columbia?

Yeah, the Columbia program isn't really good and I've heard a number of people say it's pretty malignant.
 
I am pretty close to picking HES over Penn's program as well, for similar reasons, although I hear Penn is somewhere in between Columbia's structure and Harvard's open canvas. Ultimately, I'll be going to HES (assuming they let me in) for two reasons:

1. cost, even for 2 years with Boston living expenses

2. academic reputation

One thing I've heard from students on this board and from conversations with alums is that the classes prepare you for the MCAT extremely well and often times have great lecturers.

Penn's program is obviously a good choice too, but I am not going to link and haven't heard quite so many wonderful things about the quality of instruction.
 
Penn's program is obviously a good choice too, but I am not going to link and haven't heard quite so many wonderful things about the quality of instruction.
HES is an excellent choice and the cost is certainly a massive factor. HES is definitely the better cost choice, and if you aren't planning on linking its a no brainer.
However, your 2nd point is just garbage. Advising is horrific at Penn and it is not cheap. But the quality of instruction has been great for me so far barring one class last semester and that Prof is gone now.
 
I started undergrad at a University in Ohio and my family picked up and moved to Chicago earlier this year and have been persuading me to transfer to a college in the area. I liked the idea of that too, since well, it's Chi-town and has some good schools/programs in the area..

The situation is: I'm a junior and my science GPA is pretty low.. (I've taken the gen chems, o-chems, biochem, Bio I, Bio II, genetics, cell bio and evolution) so I was going to have to retake classes, take more upper level sciences and/or do a post-bacc regardless, so basically a 5th year. I'm an Exercise Physiology major/Bio minor and If I didn't retake the classes and/or upper level sciences I could graduate next spring, on time and then do an informal/formal post-bacc in the Chicago area.

Is that plan advisable?

Or should I stick it out another year at my current undergraduate institution and do the upper levels and retake courses here?


Thanks!
 
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I'm wondering what kind of a chance I would get with my stats in going into an MD program (I really want to go to my alma mater, UC Irvine).

Graduated with a BS in Bio
sgpa: 2.7
cgpa: 3.0

Postbacc with 92 units (basically retook all my lower division science and took upper division sciences that I haven't taken before)
post-bacc gpa: 3.93

Haven't taken my MCATs yet, but practice test have been giving me around 33-40.

Thanks for any forthcoming advice and/or critiques.

First, the 3.93 post bacc is very impressive and the substantial amount of credits might help put more weight on your post-bacc GPA.

However, while your your GPAs are low, your science GPA in particular is under 3.0. This means that you might not get past the pre-screen. I'd take some more science/math classes to raise it to at least a 3.0. If you've run out of BCPM classes at your post-bacc school, consider moving temporarily to another institution that offers a bigger variety of classes.

I think once you get your sGPA above 3.0, you could apply broadly (if your MCAT is very good) but also, you'd probably need to do an SMP as well.
 
I started undergrad at a University in Ohio and my family picked up and moved to Chicago earlier this year and have been persuading me to transfer to a college in the area. I liked the idea of that too, since well, it's Chi-town and has some good schools/programs in the area..

The situation is: I'm a junior and my science GPA is pretty low.. (I've taken the gen chems, o-chems, biochem, Bio I, Bio II, genetics, cell bio and evolution) so I was going to have to retake classes, take more upper level sciences and/or do a post-bacc regardless, so basically a 5th year. I'm an Exercise Physiology major/Bio minor and If I didn't retake the classes and/or upper level sciences I could graduate next spring, on time and then do an informal/formal post-bacc in the Chicago area.

Is that plan advisable?

Or should I stick it out another year at my current undergraduate institution and do the upper levels and retake courses here?


Thanks!
A 5th year is going to be more straightforward, and almost undoubtedly cheaper, than any plan that involves graduating and changing schools.

If what you want is to be in Chicago, and you know you need more undergrad anyway, then you might as well try to transfer there for this coming fall, and then spend 2 years at your new school. In reality, being close to family (if you like your family) is very important. But in med school apps, it calls your maturity into question if you choose to interrupt your schooling because family moves.

Note that for MD schools, if you retake coursework, the old grade is not forgiven, it's averaged in with the new grade. DO schools forgive old grades. Generally with prereqs you have to retake if you got less than a C (C- and lower), and it is recommended by some to retake if you got less than a B.

Best of luck to you.
 
Hi, everyone. I would like some objective advice on what to do since I've been getting really discouraged with my grades lately. So here are my stats:
3.45 cGPA, 3.3 sGPA in a Bio major. I've been doing a lot better in my upper leve courses - got a 3.8 last semester and looking at a 4.0 for this one.
I'm prepping for the MCAT now, scheduled it for July 30th
I've been volunteering in the ER for about 7 months, research for 1 year, and I'm an official in one of the clubs on campus.
I have two issues that are really hindering me from getting accepted: first, I transferred to my current school from a different college with a 2.75 GPA. I was going through some really horrible things and now that I think back on it I wish I would have just taken a break from school at that point. Since I have to submit that transcript I figure that would average both which would bring my GPA down, but not by much, I only completed 28 credits at the first school.
Second issue - my current school is pretty bad. The research opportunities are great here but everything else is sub-par. It used to be a community college years ago and it's come a long way but still.. I'm honestly worried that these two factors will prevent me from getting into a good SMP.
I really want to get into a good program in a good school, so please, any advice would be great!
 
Hi, everyone. I would like some objective advice on what to do since I've been getting really discouraged with my grades lately. So here are my stats:
3.45 cGPA, 3.3 sGPA in a Bio major. I've been doing a lot better in my upper leve courses - got a 3.8 last semester and looking at a 4.0 for this one.
I'm prepping for the MCAT now, scheduled it for July 30th
I've been volunteering in the ER for about 7 months, research for 1 year, and I'm an official in one of the clubs on campus.
I have two issues that are really hindering me from getting accepted: first, I transferred to my current school from a different college with a 2.75 GPA. I was going through some really horrible things and now that I think back on it I wish I would have just taken a break from school at that point. Since I have to submit that transcript I figure that would average both which would bring my GPA down, but not by much, I only completed 28 credits at the first school.
Second issue - my current school is pretty bad. The research opportunities are great here but everything else is sub-par. It used to be a community college years ago and it's come a long way but still.. I'm honestly worried that these two factors will prevent me from getting into a good SMP.
I really want to get into a good program in a good school, so please, any advice would be great!

if you get these grades you suspect and get a mid 30's MCAT you have a shot at some schools, especially your instate. If you can continue to bring up your gpa you won't need an SMP.
 
Hey guys,
Great thread so far. I'm currently on my way to finishing up my junior year. So far, I'm looking at graduating with probably a 3.1-3.25 cumGPA (awful first two years, but always a rising trend) with a Bachelor's in biology and theater from a top-tier liberal arts school.

My science GPA will probably stand around a 3.0- lower if my 2 years of Independent Study don't qualify as bio courses (They should though. It's research in a professor's lab but you get a grade each semester for the "course" that factors into your GPA like any other class).

I've been doing a good deal of research and planning for the future and have been considering several options to boost my application cred. I'm considering getting another year's worth of courses under my belt (not at my alma mater. Through summer classes and post-bacc work) at the very least. A year of straight-A's would put me at a ~3.3- still way too low for an MD school. Of course, I also have to take the MCAT.

What then? Do I take a second post-bacc year? Do I go for an SMP? Do I do two years of post-bacc and then do an SMP?

I'm really interested in the Dartmouth MPH program that's been included in all of the SMP lists- despite not really advertising itself as such. Does anyone have any experience with/exposure to it? I have no qualms about time but I would like to minimize potential debt as much as possible. Also, I've taken most of the prereqs so places like HES are out of the question. Thanks!
 
Here's my story. I played major college football for my first four years of college and school was never a priority. In the fall of 2008 I was deemed medically unable to play due to injuries. Afterwards I became extremely interested in becoming a physician;however, my Medical school GPA was only a 2.5. I had a brother in medical school at the time, who encouraged me that winter to volunteer in a hospital and shadow a surgeon to see if this was really what I wanted to do. I was sure after those experiences that I wanted to become a physician. I began studying for the first time in my life that spring semester. I took my MCATS later that spring, a bit prematurely, and only scored a 28. Since last winter I have taken 78 units and I have earned a 3.96 GPA. Out of the 78 units 34 of them have been upper division classes. I got straight A's in all of these UD classes: immunology, biochemistry, cellular microbiology, virology, animal physiology, epigenetic's and diseases, neurobiology, cognitive psychology, perception, and neuroscience. I have also started to do research in neurodevelopment at my university. My current GPA is a 3.1 and Science GPA is a 3.17. I am retaking my MCATs this July. I was wondering with a solid MCAT if I have any chance of getting into medical school next year. Thanks
 
Here's my story. I played major college football for my first four years of college and school was never a priority. In the fall of 2008 I was deemed medically unable to play due to injuries. Afterwards I became extremely interested in becoming a physician;however, my Medical school GPA was only a 2.5. I had a brother in medical school at the time, who encouraged me that winter to volunteer in a hospital and shadow a surgeon to see if this was really what I wanted to do. I was sure after those experiences that I wanted to become a physician. I began studying for the first time in my life that spring semester. I took my MCATS later that spring, a bit prematurely, and only scored a 28. Since last winter I have taken 78 units and I have earned a 3.96 GPA. Out of the 78 units 34 of them have been upper division classes. I got straight A's in all of these UD classes: immunology, biochemistry, cellular microbiology, virology, animal physiology, epigenetic's and diseases, neurobiology, cognitive psychology, perception, and neuroscience. I have also started to do research in neurodevelopment at my university. My current GPA is a 3.1 and Science GPA is a 3.17. I am retaking my MCATs this July. I was wondering with a solid MCAT if I have any chance of getting into medical school next year. Thanks

Unfortunately I'd say no. A 3.1 is still too low despite your obvious and remarkable improvement. If I were you I would look to do another year or two of undergrad while you still can to boost that GPA maybe to a 3.3, 3.4 (i'm not sure how many units this would take). Then hope for the best on your retake (mid 30s) and apply broadly (20+ schools). If your GPA had been a bit higher during your football days, you would have had a better chance because this is obviously difficult to maintain during the year.

Quick question, if you had straight A's in all those UD courses, how come your sciGPA is so low? What were you taking before? How did you do on your pre-reqs? Also, what do your other EC's look like?
 
Unfortunately I'd say no. A 3.1 is still too low despite your obvious and remarkable improvement. If I were you I would look to do another year or two of undergrad while you still can to boost that GPA maybe to a 3.3, 3.4 (i'm not sure how many units this would take). Then hope for the best on your retake (mid 30s) and apply broadly (20+ schools). If your GPA had been a bit higher during your football days, you would have had a better chance because this is obviously difficult to maintain during the year.

Quick question, if you had straight A's in all those UD courses, how come your sciGPA is so low? What were you taking before? How did you do on your pre-reqs? Also, what do your other EC's look like?

I'm guessing that all of his pre-req science classes were part of the 2.5GPA, likely the lower end of the 2.5 as well. As for the original poster, if you are willing to go the DO route I'd say you have a good chance if you retake your MCAT and receive a higher score. I was able to get interviews with a 2.8 and a 33, I'd say with a 30 and the drastic improvement in your grades coupled with being a collegiate athlete, you'd have a good shot.

If you want to go the MD route, I'd say your options are to either apply now for some SMPs that have later deadlines and see if you can get in for next fall or to continue to take classes throughout next year and apply next cycle (the following june). That said if you can manage a mid 30s MCAT you have an outside shot if you have a large amount of ECs (football included, its unique) and good LORs.
 
"...now with improved sudsing action to rinse clean even the filthiest of gpas." - LOL!


Then:
Reading Area Community College:
Grad with AGS (transfer degree)
GPA 2.7

Now:
Alvernia University undergrad.
Currently enrolled in the BSN Class of 2012 GPA 3.3
AU MBA class of 2013

Future:
Penn state College of Medicine - MD Program (hopefully)
SMP (If needed to be more competitive)



Background:

I started out as an EMT 6 years ago. Since that time I became more interested in the medical field and am now half way through the BSN program at Alvernia University. Since I started this program I have found that, although it is very informative, I want to go further. So I've decided to finish the BSN while taking the rest of the prereqs for med school in the mean time. Just after I graduate I am going to finish off the MBA and then either put in applications to med schools or do an SMP if need be.

I graduated with about 70 credits from the CC and a shipwreck of a GPA. Best case I might be able to bring the AMCAS calculated GPA back up to a 3.15 maybe. I'm not in a great position but I suppose It could be a lot worse. Best I can show is an awesome upward trend, hopefully the poor AMCAS that has been doomed by the CC wont automatically get me in the "wrong" stack of apps.

I used to be an automation engineer but I grew tired of getting laid off constantly due to the jobs going foreign. The whole time through school I have been working and supporting a family. That is most of the reason for the bad grads. So far most of the sciences are C's from RACC. I guess The only thing going forward is to do the other sciences at Alvernia with A's and show I can do the work. If I still cant get in with 6 years as an EMT/ RN/BSN/MBA background and a decent MCAT I'll have to do the SMP.

Cheers, here is to a hell of a non-trad journey, but medicine is what I want so that makes it worth it!

Oh and I'm 27...
 
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"...now with improved sudsing action to rinse clean even the filthiest of gpas." - LOL!


Then:
Reading Area Community College:
Grad with AGS (transfer degree)
GPA 2.7

Now:
Alvernia University undergrad.
Currently enrolled in the BSN Class of 2012 GPA 3.3
AU MBA class of 2013

Future:
Penn state College of Medicine - MD Program (hopefully)
SMP (If needed to be more competitive)



Background:

I started out as an EMT 6 years ago. Since that time I became more interested in the medical field and am now half way through the BSN program at Alvernia University. Since I started this program I have found that, although it is very informative, I want to go further. So I've decided to finish the BSN while taking the rest of the prereqs for med school in the mean time. Just after I graduate I am going to finish off the MBA and then either put in applications to med schools or do an SMP if need be.

I graduated with about 70 credits from the CC and a shipwreck of a GPA. Best case I might be able to bring the AMCAS calculated GPA back up to a 3.15 maybe. I'm not in a great position but I suppose It could be a lot worse. Best I can show is an awesome upward trend, hopefully the poor AMCAS that has been doomed by the CC wont automatically get me in the "wrong" stack of apps.

I used to be an automation engineer but I grew tired of getting laid off constantly due to the jobs going foreign. The whole time through school I have been working and supporting a family. That is most of the reason for the bad grads. So far most of the sciences are C's from RACC. I guess The only thing going forward is to do the other sciences at Alvernia with A's and show I can do the work. If I still cant get in with 6 years as an EMT/ RN/BSN/MBA background and a decent MCAT I'll have to do the SMP.

Cheers, here is to a hell of a non-trad journey, but medicine is what I want so that makes it worth it!

Oh and I'm 27...

I'll take a stab at this even though Klmnop has imo done an excellent job in taking care of most of the posts in here.

You say you hope for your AMCAS GPA to be a 3.15. Is that a calculated predicted number using the AMCAS coursework calculator or a rough estimate?

Also what is you sGPA at the moment between both institutions? I'm not exactly clear on how many science classes you have total so this is something you should find out and post to give a better idea of your current situation.

Your BSN will not help you. The reason is that you have not had any actual field experience with it. The advantage that some RNs have in applying to medical school (people will argue with me on this here so i'll say this is my opinion) is that they have had alot of patient interaction and a solid understanding about patient care/healthcare. The way I would go about this is explaining in your PS is that you have always embraced healthcare and it has been a step by step journey for you since you began as an EMT and worked for a while and realized you wanted to do more (BSN) and now realize that you wish to be a physician etc. (You want to manage/diagnose, not serve/report)

To be honest, I don't feel even with a strong MCAT your application stands a realistic chance of being accepted. The reason is your troubled CC coursework added with simplified coursework catered towards nursing students are not a strong enough indicator that you can legitamitely handle medical school level courses. Again, I may be wrong, but I am under the impression that nursing classes are "easier" and "simplified" compared to the actual medical school pre-requisities. One example I throw out is there is Gen Chem offered at PSU for pre-med/pre-dent students and an elementery chemistry course for pre-nursing. You might want to check to see if your courses you have taken are valid for medical pre-reqs.

What is a more "realistic" game plan in my opinion is for you to finish up your degree strong (BSN) and go out and gain some work experience. You can probably gain some strong LOR from your nurse supervisor or physicians that you will work under as well as valuable patient care experiences. During this you can take upper division sciences part time at a local university and look to apply to SMPs (I'd consider DO if I were you as well, they tend to look favorably at applicants with an interesting tale).

That's my take on your situation, I'm sure you'll hear some other good advice.
 
Hey guys,
Great thread so far. I'm currently on my way to finishing up my junior year. So far, I'm looking at graduating with probably a 3.1-3.25 cumGPA (awful first two years, but always a rising trend) with a Bachelor's in biology and theater from a top-tier liberal arts school.

My science GPA will probably stand around a 3.0- lower if my 2 years of Independent Study don't qualify as bio courses (They should though. It's research in a professor's lab but you get a grade each semester for the "course" that factors into your GPA like any other class).

I've been doing a good deal of research and planning for the future and have been considering several options to boost my application cred. I'm considering getting another year's worth of courses under my belt (not at my alma mater. Through summer classes and post-bacc work) at the very least. A year of straight-A's would put me at a ~3.3- still way too low for an MD school. Of course, I also have to take the MCAT.

What then? Do I take a second post-bacc year? Do I go for an SMP? Do I do two years of post-bacc and then do an SMP?

I'm really interested in the Dartmouth MPH program that's been included in all of the SMP lists- despite not really advertising itself as such. Does anyone have any experience with/exposure to it? I have no qualms about time but I would like to minimize potential debt as much as possible. Also, I've taken most of the prereqs so places like HES are out of the question. Thanks!

I don't want to sound obnoxious or anything, but has my post been forgotten? Both posts after mine were answered 🙁. (I'm really not saying this in a catty or angry way. I'm just a little anxious about it).
 
this is a tough one... many many things to discuss

first, i think jslo was mostly correct in that med schools don't care how many or what type of degrees you've accumulated, but care more about what you have done with the degrees. a BSN is all well and good, but without it being used a med school may interpreting it as you wasting the school's time, and thus could end up wasting the med schools time. i do know that part of bsn training does involve significant clinical work, so this is a positive, but again, the act that you got a career-specific degree and never bothered to try and use it does not look good.

also, mba... if you are serious about med i wouldn't bother doing that, unless you are planning on a health management/hospital administration type of career. its just more time/money away from your goal and it will be difficult to convince adcoms that your goal was medicine at this point when you intentionally sidestepped it to study business.

like jslo said, a more detailed description of grades would help as your description is a tad convoluted and hard to follow. real numbers and names make it a ton easier to advise. also, based on your self-admittance that family obligations have prevented you from performing at your best, why do you feel this will change now. also, how do you feel you can explain this to adcoms without giving them the impression that you will not be able to focus enough to succeed in their school. they don't want someone who has not showed any clear evidence that they are able to succeed under current circumstances.

despite your optimisim, a 3.15 will put you at the bottom of the pile for md schools and in my opinion is not worth the time and money to apply. as for DO schools, if you repeated your core sciences right now, or after you get your bsn, you can replace those grades through aacomas (not amcas) and you could apply with a decent mcat. a 3.1 is not ideal, but like jslo said, DO schools like well-rounded applicants and a BSN and 6 years of EMT work is definitely beneficial. i am not aware of the differences of premed reqs and nursing courses, so yeah, check that out, because if they don't qualify this may be a blessing as you have a new opportunity to 4.0 them.

jslo's advice to start working and get those pre-reqs done simultaneously is very good, albeit time consuming with your already stressed life. it may sound like too much time but its important to convince adcoms that you have thought about this and have taken the necessary measures to achieve it, rather than just a spur of the moment realization one day in a nursing class.

depending on the regulations and how many credits you have you could try to transfer to a nearby school's ugrad science program. which would essentially allow you start new without losing all your credits. with heavy courseloads and some summer classes you could complete a new major in 3 years and get those prereqs done and get a BSc instead of a BSN. this is complicated though as i am not sure how transferring out of a Bsn program into a regular Bsc works.

finally, before you make any decisions, how do you know you do not want to do nursing. you are halfway through your degree. you should take a hard look at it and decide if switching careers again is really in the cards. nurses do well, they work hard, they have a lot of responsibility, and they have stable careers. anyway, your response will undoubtedly provide us with a bit more information so we can help you out further.
 
I don't want to sound obnoxious or anything, but has my post been forgotten? Both posts after mine were answered 🙁. (I'm really not saying this in a catty or angry way. I'm just a little anxious about it).

I don't think dartmouth is what you should be looking at. the purpose of it is not to push toward med school but a totally separate career altogether. its true an mph can help you get into med school, and provides a good backup degree option, but i don't think its a good idea seeing as it is heading in a different direction for 2-3 years (56 credits). fyi picking a program that costs 48k is not putting you in a good position in terms of debt like you wanted. what you need instead is something like the wayne state bms program... you'll have to research category 2 under dr.midlife's list: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=8329886&postcount=1
but many of these (like wayne's) are smp-like programs that provide you with difficult graduate-level biomedical science courses (often taught by med profs or with similar syllabi) which will allow you to boost your gpa and scigpa while simultaneousy proving you are capable of med-like work. the issue with these programs are that they are highly tailored and favored by the med schools of the home institution. thus you should select one that is composed mainly of hard-scientific courses (like physio, neuro, biochem, etc....rather than medical theory, or clinical theory, etc.) and that has a strong affiliation with the med school you feel you would be able to get into afterward. ex: wayne's is good because it is one of the largest med school classes in the US and their requirements for mcat are not out of this world (~30min). that said, you would need to get at least a 3.7 in order to be taken seriously, because performing average is not worth it.

after this, if you are still not admitted, i would look at an smp. although an smp might look like the best choice right now, i feel your sciGPA (and lack of MCAT) makes you too weak of an applicant. if you can get in somewhere without one this is the best choice.
 
this is a tough one... many many things to discuss

first, i think jslo was mostly correct in that med schools don't care how many or what type of degrees you've accumulated, but care more about what you have done with the degrees. a BSN is all well and good, but without it being used a med school may interpreting it as you wasting the school's time, and thus could end up wasting the med schools time. i do know that part of bsn training does involve significant clinical work, so this is a positive, but again, the act that you got a career-specific degree and never bothered to try and use it does not look good.

also, mba... if you are serious about med i wouldn't bother doing that, unless you are planning on a health management/hospital administration type of career. its just more time/money away from your goal and it will be difficult to convince adcoms that your goal was medicine at this point when you intentionally sidestepped it to study business.

like jslo said, a more detailed description of grades would help as your description is a tad convoluted and hard to follow. real numbers and names make it a ton easier to advise. also, based on your self-admittance that family obligations have prevented you from performing at your best, why do you feel this will change now. also, how do you feel you can explain this to adcoms without giving them the impression that you will not be able to focus enough to succeed in their school. they don't want someone who has not showed any clear evidence that they are able to succeed under current circumstances.

despite your optimisim, a 3.15 will put you at the bottom of the pile for md schools and in my opinion is not worth the time and money to apply. as for DO schools, if you repeated your core sciences right now, or after you get your bsn, you can replace those grades through aacomas (not amcas) and you could apply with a decent mcat. a 3.1 is not ideal, but like jslo said, DO schools like well-rounded applicants and a BSN and 6 years of EMT work is definitely beneficial. i am not aware of the differences of premed reqs and nursing courses, so yeah, check that out, because if they don't qualify this may be a blessing as you have a new opportunity to 4.0 them.

jslo's advice to start working and get those pre-reqs done simultaneously is very good, albeit time consuming with your already stressed life. it may sound like too much time but its important to convince adcoms that you have thought about this and have taken the necessary measures to achieve it, rather than just a spur of the moment realization one day in a nursing class.

depending on the regulations and how many credits you have you could try to transfer to a nearby school's ugrad science program. which would essentially allow you start new without losing all your credits. with heavy courseloads and some summer classes you could complete a new major in 3 years and get those prereqs done and get a BSc instead of a BSN. this is complicated though as i am not sure how transferring out of a Bsn program into a regular Bsc works.

finally, before you make any decisions, how do you know you do not want to do nursing. you are halfway through your degree. you should take a hard look at it and decide if switching careers again is really in the cards. nurses do well, they work hard, they have a lot of responsibility, and they have stable careers. anyway, your response will undoubtedly provide us with a bit more information so we can help you out further.


Wow, that's a hell of a post. Let me try and address the different point's, as you made quite a few.

As for the BSN program, I don't want to switch from it since it will give me some earning potential until I do end up matriculating to med school. Another reason for not wanting to switch is, I don't want to not finish it and give the adcoms the idea that I don't finish what I start. I don't know, call me a completionist. I wouldn't mind working for a year or 2 as an RN to pick up some experience while finishing up some prerequisites or doing an SMP.

As far as the MBA, I have some time to nickle and dime those credits. It would only be a year or so to finish up. I see it as more of a builder degree that tends to suppliment many other degree's to give you a better understanding of management. Having worked in Engineering management prior, I have a lot of experience but nothing academic to show for it, this would be a great fit for my prior experience.Besides, MD/MBA is a pretty powerful combination.

Specifics:

From the community college a few years ago I took Chem 1, AP1 & 2, Bio 1 and Micro. Most of them were B- and C grades. This summer I am doing Physics 1. This fall I am registered for Genetics. In the coming spring and summer I will need to take Chem 2 and Organic 1 and 2.

It is sounding like an SMP is going to be in order based on the advice I have received thus far. I would like to keep it local so maybe Drexel's DPMS program would be worth looking into. As far as the DO route, please don't label me as a hater on this. Trust me, I'm not. That being said however, at this point I feel that the MD program is a better fit as I would prefer to devote my time to allopathic studies. I will certainly keep the options open along the way and will probably submit apps to the DO schools as well when the time comes, but I am still going to keep MD as a first choice route.

In response to your one comment. I can tell you that this certainly was not a spur of the moment decision. I have found with each passing clinical experience that I am more interested in the diagnosis and treatment process that the docs go through than the nursing process of providing and managing care. Once again, I am not hating on nursing, it's an extremely important profession and I have the utmost respect for it. Nevertheless, I want to go further than it's scope of practice allows as I would like to specialize in (I know its a bit early but based on my prior experience) radiology or emergency medicine.

In closing I wanted to say that for my family, I'm a first generation college student, for that matter I'm a first gen high school grad if you were to look back a few generations. Pile on top of that that I was laid off and needed work to support my family and you'll soon find that I didn't really choose going to college, it was more of a necessity. To expand on that statement further, and I hate to say it, when I started off at the CC, I didn't have a major picked and just started taking general courses in the sciences since it seemed like a good idea at the time. Ice the cake with a disgruntled care free attitude, some poor decisions and a lack of general advice from family pointing me in the right direction and you've got a recipe for that train-wreck I call a transcript from the CC. You should see a theme of unwise jaded decision making in my CC years. Stupid? Yes, but it's done now and there isn't a thing I can do about it.

Since that time, I started to really care about what I was doing, selected a field I would like to work in (medical), transferred to a university & got serious about my studies. Unfortunately the damage is already done. Regretting it won't get me anywhere, I just have to pick my head up and keep driving on. It is only now that I have realized that I will not be content If I just finish my BSN and call it a day. I now know that medicine is for me and I am coming to the realization that I will have to work really hard to make it happen. My most recent discovery is the way AMCAS computed the GPA, boy what a dark cloud settling over my head that was when I saw that. Hopefully upward trends count for something as my progress now is going to be way better than my AMCAS GPA will suggest. At this point I know I'm going to have to work harder than someone who got it right the first time, and I'm ok with that. All of this just makes me more determined to buckle down, turn things around and show the adcoms that I am capable of successfully making it through medical school. Damage control and progress, where would you suggest I go from here?
 
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Wow, that's a hell of a post. Let me try and address the different point's as you made quite a few.

As for the BSN program, I don't want to switch from it since it will give me some earning potential until I do end up matriculating to med school. Another reason for not wanting to switch is, I don't want to not finish it and give the adcoms the idea that I don't finish what I start. I don't know, call me a completionist. I wouldn't mind working for a year or 2 as an RN to pick up some experience while finishing up some prerequisites or an SMP.

As far as the MBA, I have some time to pick up and nickle and dime those credits. It's more of a builder degree that tends to help out with many other degree's to give you a better understanding of management. Having worked in Engineering management prior, I have a lot of experience but nothing academic to show for it, this would be a great fit for my prior experience.

Specifics: From the community college a few years ago I took Chem 1, AP1 & 2, Bio 1 and Micro. Most of them were B- and C grades. This summer I am doing Physics 1. This fall I am registered for Genetics. In the coming spring and summer I will need to take Chem 2 and Organic 1 and 2.

It is sounding like an SMP is going to be in order based on the advice I have received thus far. I would like to keep it local so maybe Drexel's DPMS program would be worth looking into. As far as the DO route, please don't label me as a hater on this. Trust me, I'm not. That being said however, at this point I feel that the MD program is a better fit as I would prefer to devote my time to allopathic studies. I will certainly keep the options open along the way and will probably submit apps to the DO schools as well when the time comes, but I am still going to keep MD as a first choice route.

In response to your one comment. I can tell you that this certainly was not a spur of the moment decision. I have found with each passing clinical experience that I am more interested in the diagnosis and treatment process that the docs go through than the nursing process of providing and managing care. Once again, I am not hating on nursing, it's an extremely important profession and I have the utmost respect for it. Nevertheless, I want to go further than it's scope of practice allows as I would like to specialize in (I know its a bit early but based on my prior experience) radiology or emergency medicine).

gotta love the 4am posts... im obviously not very busy myself at the moment.

anyway....

1-seems were on the same page regarding the BSN completion
2-the mba thing is your call, im not gonna try to convince you otherwise as its a good decision for the future, only it is a bit off-target at the moment given your predicament
3-focus hard on those pre-reqs to get all A's, this will go a long way. if you get these, and do get your 3.15, you are still on the outskirts of quality smp programs especially if your sciGPA is low (which i am assuming based on the B- and C's that would have to be factored in).

quick fyi, Drexel DPMS is for socioeconomically disadvantaged students... not sure if this applies....the IMS is the one for regular students

i contacted drexel and all they said was that the average DPMS stats were above 3.0 and that the minimum is 2.9 and sciGPA of 2.9 as well. they also require an MCAT for admission (check this) though this avg. is significantly lower (20-22). also, like med schools, you should apply fairly broadly to smp's as well. they are getting tougher and tougher to get into as med school matriculant averages increase and more and more qualified applicants are rejected.
4-DO isn't for everyone, not really for me either... at this point in the US its a matter of personal preference so that is fine, it just means the road is a bit tougher
5-and i didn't mean to imply that your decision was a spur of the moment, but adcoms will undoubtedly think this if you applied immediately after, so your best bet is to get some experience and then try applying to med, like you said.
 
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