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Hi all, I've been lurking around for quite a bit and now I've finally worked up enough courage to finally post my first post!

Location: New York
cGPA: 2.94
sGPA: 3.10
MCAT: 32 (10B 11V 11P)
Major: Chemistry

I just graduated from a top 20 liberal arts college and have been getting B's, C+'s and A's in all my prerequisites and am currently looking to apply to either a SMP or post-bacc. I have pretty good LOR's and I'm working for an EMT company right now. I'm studying to retake my MCATs and I'm sure this time I can do way better, at least 35+

Do you guys think I can even stand a chance applying right now to an SMP or should I wait till next cycle or can I even make it into an SMP?

Or should I do a post-bacc program and try to get my GPA up? I've been calling around to SMPs to ask them if I shuld even try but it's been going to voicemail.
 
Its getting pretty late on in the cycle for SMPs for this year. I'd try and find out who is even still accepting apps. Call some SMPs for places you'd wanna go and ask if its worth applying.

I wouldn't repeat the MCAT. You have a solid score, and a 35 isn't easy to get. About 7% of ppl get 35+, so don't bank on being one of them. Plus a 35, won't make that much diff vs a 32 in your app IMO. Your GPA will always be your weakness.

I'd retake any prereqs you got Cs (of any form) in; take a couple of science classes ASAP (summer might be an option still) and raise the sGPA, and hopefully get the cGPA above 3.0 or close; then apply to SMPs for starting next fall.
 
Hey guys, I graduated a year ago (took a year off and went back to Taiwan) and I need some advise regarding SMPs. I'm currently in NY looking for a job but have had no luck. I'm hoping to get into either pharmacy or optometry in the next year or two.

School: BC
cGPA: 3.04
sGPA: 2.8
Major: Biochemistry

I am planning to take microbiology and anatomy/physiology 1 this summer to fulfill some prereq's. Are there any SMP programs specifically catered to these two fields? How difficult is the admission process? (I have not taken MCAT/GRE/PCAT/OAT) Since pharmacy and optometry schools have different prereq's, is it worth the trouble to apply to a SMP? Would the premedical programs even improve my chances of getting into pharmacy or optometry schools?

Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
 
Hi I post earlier on this forum and would like to get a second opinion

my undergrad gpa is 2.5 science gpa is 2.5 as well. I already finish majority of the pre-reqs and done poorly on them.

After college I took
- immunology got an A

I am currently in a post-bac out of state retaking some of my classes
-human phys: C+
-genbio 1: A
-chem 1, 2 ,3: A, A, A

I have 3 question
1. Can i move back to my state and retake my pre-reqs instead?
2. Should I consider a new field since I got a C+ in human phys.
3. I heard schools average your retaken courses with first take so should I pound on some other bio upperdivs?


Edit: I am considering Grad school not med school

thank you everybody
 
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robflanker said:
Its getting pretty late on in the cycle for SMPs for this year. I'd try and find out who is even still accepting apps. Call some SMPs for places you'd wanna go and ask if its worth applying.

I wouldn't repeat the MCAT. You have a solid score, and a 35 isn't easy to get. About 7% of ppl get 35+, so don't bank on being one of them. Plus a 35, won't make that much diff vs a 32 in your app IMO. Your GPA will always be your weakness.

I'd retake any prereqs you got Cs (of any form) in; take a couple of science classes ASAP (summer might be an option still) and raise the sGPA, and hopefully get the cGPA above 3.0 or close; then apply to SMPs for starting next fall.
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So I called both the Tufts and VCU SMP and explained my situation and both told me to apply because spots were open and so on. So I'm going to apply to both plus some post bacc programs in the city as well. Thanks for the advice, any other advice?
 
I am hoping that someone can clarify this for me. What is the difference between taking upper level undergrad classes and an SMP program in terms of helping my chances of acceptance into a Med School? Is it the extra prestige of having completed another degree? Like the above poster, I too think it is too late for me to apply to SMPs.

I graduated in 09 and am currently working in a hospital. Should I take some upper level undergrad courses at a college in the area this summer/fall/etc or just hold off completely and apply for SMP entrance in 2011? I have 3.3 and 34MCAT.
 
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The difference between upper division UG classes and a graduate SMP is that in a true SMP, you take medical school courses, with accepted medical students, with the same medical school professors, with the same medical school exams. You also have the benefit of having a relatively "clean slate" in that all your SMP coursework is placed on the graduate level as compared to an individual's tarnished (perhaps) UG past.

Upper division UG classes are great to give Adcoms somewhat of a prediction of how you can handle upper division science classes in medical school but a graduate SMP at a medical school evaluates your performance at the level of a medical student during their first year basic core sciences against that of the current accepted medical students. It's a far stronger statement attesting to how you will do if you were given the opportunity to be an MS-1.

Your MCAT is solid and your GPA is on the cusp of going either way. It's not high enough that an SMP is out of the question but it's a risk as it's a make or break scenario where you must do better than a B+ in medical school courses compared to the med student average. If you can raise your GPA by taking UG classes for a year to a 3.45 or 3.5, then that is also a valid choice that you should consider.
 
bigtree53 said:
I am hoping that someone can clarify this for me. What is the difference between taking upper level undergrad classes and an SMP program in terms of helping my chances of acceptance into a Med School? Is it the extra prestige of having completed another degree? Like the above poster, I too think it is too late for me to apply to SMPs.

I graduated in 09 and am currently working in a hospital. Should I take some upper level undergrad courses at a college in the area this summer/fall/etc or just hold off completely and apply for SMP entrance in 2011? I have 3.3 and 34MCAT.
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SMPs are generally expensive and risky. Given your strong MCAT and your somewhat-below average GPA, I would recommend that you consider doing more undergraduate coursework. This assumes that you have a reasonable number of units, insofar that a year of undergraduate coursework will raise your GPA by 0.2 or so. You can run the numbers in a spreadsheet and figure out the details.

By going with the informal post-bacc route, you miss out on guarantees offered by some SMPs, but the money and risk don't make those worthwhile. If you're beyond confident in your academic abilities, enjoy enormous amounts of stress and possess a hefty trust fund, go for the SMP. If not, enroll in a local four year school and earn a few more As, and call it a day.

Good luck!
 
Thank you both for your input. Its highly appreciated. I definitely dont have a nest egg of any sort, so Im hoping to avoid the big debt until the real test of endurance (med school.) I just recently started looking into post bacs, so I dont know much about them. Is it possible to simply enroll for undergraduate classes at a local university without formally applying for a post bac program?
 
bigtree53 said:
Thank you both for your input. Its highly appreciated. I definitely dont have a nest egg of any sort, so Im hoping to avoid the big debt until the real test of endurance (med school.) I just recently started looking into post bacs, so I dont know much about them. Is it possible to simply enroll for undergraduate classes at a local university without formally applying for a post bac program?
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It depends on your local university, and if they are quarter/semester*. A lot of universities have "open registration" where anyone can register within the first week of class, but it's first come, first serve with regards to a spot. This is how a few of the colleges run in my area (Bay Area, CA). Some schools might even have informal night classes. You will have to do a bit of investigative work yourself. I mention quarter/semester because quarter systems have their start later in the summer, while a semester's first session may have already started.

Hope this helps. I personally am enrolled at a night-class post-bac program while I wait on a response from the SMP's I applied to. Wasn't interested in a quarter system school because of how late grades get back, but you'll have more choices if you try to go full-term at a University.
 
It looks like just about to make the deadline for the local state college. Its too late for their post bacc program, so Im just taking classes "openly" (is that the right term)? I've done all my pre-med pre-reqs already, although obviously with a less than ideal GPA. Should I retake those same classes (gen chem, bio, orgo, etc.) or try to take upper level classes I haven't taken before (biochem, others?) Thanks!!
 
random question. i hear about how some schools have a gpa cut-off of around 3.0 before they even look at your application. does anyone know whether this refers to your cum gpa or your science gpa specifically?
 
dmndangel said:
random question. i hear about how some schools have a gpa cut-off of around 3.0 before they even look at your application. does anyone know whether this refers to your cum gpa or your science gpa specifically?
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med schools?
 
You won't get very far in regard to post-bac or SMPs with a sub 3.0 cGPA and a low sGPA won't help either.

I don't think a sub 3.0 GPA for either sGPA or cGPA will get you looked at by any allopathic schools, and you'd get limited interest from DO IMO
 
TyrKinase said:
My two cents: unless you're sitting on a huge pile of cash, go to your state school of choice as a second bachelors student and re-take the pre-reqs you did poorly in, as well as some upper-division hard science courses (microbiology, physiology, biochemistry, etc). It will cost less than the ~$29k Midwestern tuition, boost your GPA to ~3.0 (assuming you get As in your retakes) and put you in a good stance to apply broadly to osteopathic schools a year from now. It would also allow you to do some more volunteering work, if your application is in need of it.

Good luck!
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Does amcas and aacomas count a second bachelor's in the "undergraduate GPA" once you have officially graduated with another bachelor's? I don't see why they would count it as "post-bacc", but I'm just curious because that is one of my options.

To my understanding your G.P.A. is viewed as undergrad cGPA and BCPM; postbacc GPA; and Postgraduate GPA. Is this correct?
 
ahavah said:
Does amcas and aacomas count a second bachelor's in the "undergraduate GPA" once you have officially graduated with another bachelor's? I don't see why they would count it as "post-bacc", but I'm just curious because that is one of my options.

To my understanding your G.P.A. is viewed as undergrad cGPA and BCPM; postbacc GPA; and Postgraduate GPA. Is this correct?
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No

All undergrad classes are counted into your cGPA and sGPA for undergrad whether its post-bac, 2nd bachelors, or 1st bachelors.
The only thing thats kept separate is graduate level classes taken while pursuing a masters or phd
 
dmndangel said:
random question. i hear about how some schools have a gpa cut-off of around 3.0 before they even look at your application. does anyone know whether this refers to your cum gpa or your science gpa specifically?
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most schools tell you on their website what their cutoff is.
some are 2.9, some are 3.2, though they all refer to cGPA unless otherwise noted.
 
ahavah said:
Does amcas and aacomas count a second bachelor's in the "undergraduate GPA" once you have officially graduated with another bachelor's? I don't see why they would count it as "post-bacc", but I'm just curious because that is one of my options.

To my understanding your G.P.A. is viewed as undergrad cGPA and BCPM; postbacc GPA; and Postgraduate GPA. Is this correct?
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robflanker said:
No

All undergrad classes are counted into your cGPA and sGPA for undergrad whether its post-bac, 2nd bachelors, or 1st bachelors.
The only thing thats kept separate is graduate level classes taken while pursuing a masters or phd
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Not quite accurate: the cumulative undergrad GPAs are topline, but there's separation within undergrad as well. There's a GPA summary grid where the columns are science, cumulative, total, and the rows are fresh/soph/jr/sr/postbac. Grad work gets its own summary line. Each course you've ever taken is also categorized and reported. All this data is reported electronically to med schools, so they have the opportunity to pick out whatever they want to rank applicants by. And, generally, the MCAT and cumulative cGPA and sGPA are the first numbers they'll look at.

So, a 2nd bachelors is averaged in with your cumulative undergrad numbers, and reported in the postbac line.

Best of luck to you.
 
I guess my answer was specific enough - what midlife said is right. It will get listed under your postbac but there won't be an obvious way to tell that its a 2nd degree from the grid vs a plain postbac.

Either way, it won't be in the grad line.
 
Hi all,

Stats
Cumulative GPA: 3.0
Science GPA: 2.9
MCAT: Haven't taken; not on radar yet.
Extracurriculars: Two research positions in a lab (on going)

Would it be advised to take the post-bacc. route and re-take all the classes I did poorly in?

Also, would it be helpful to apply for an SMP after a post-bacc. experience? Would it be better to pick one instead of doing both (cost is not an issue)? If I manage to do well in both a post-bacc., then an SMP, and score reasonably well on the MCAT, would I stand a fighting chance at redeeming my poor undergrad GPA? Thanks all.
 
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I disagree slightly with guju.

You should retake any prereqs you got Cs in and then do an SMP. A postbac won't raise your cGPA enough to be competitive Im guessing (do the math and figure what a year of 4.0 would do to your cGPA; i doubt it'll go up by more than 0.1-0.15)
 
robflanker said:
No

All undergrad classes are counted into your cGPA and sGPA for undergrad whether its post-bac, 2nd bachelors, or 1st bachelors.
The only thing thats kept separate is graduate level classes taken while pursuing a masters or phd
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DrMidlife said:
Not quite accurate: the cumulative undergrad GPAs are topline, but there's separation within undergrad as well. There's a GPA summary grid where the columns are science, cumulative, total, and the rows are fresh/soph/jr/sr/postbac. Grad work gets its own summary line. Each course you've ever taken is also categorized and reported. All this data is reported electronically to med schools, so they have the opportunity to pick out whatever they want to rank applicants by. And, generally, the MCAT and cumulative cGPA and sGPA are the first numbers they'll look at.

So, a 2nd bachelors is averaged in with your cumulative undergrad numbers, and reported in the postbac line.

Best of luck to you.
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These are inaccurate answers. I emailed amcas (yes, yes I know this is a D.O. forum) and this the bulk of the email correspondence:

"Dear AMCAS,

Thank you for your reply. I am inquiring about how schools will view the G.P.A. of second bachelor's degree. I know how to enter a second degree on my application, but I want to know which category admissions offices will actually view my G.P.A. from a second bachelor's... will it be included in my undergraduate cGPA or as postbacc work since the second degree was completed after graduating once.


Thank you,

Ahavah"

"Dear Ahavah,

Thank you for contacting AMCAS.

Medical schools will view the second degree's GPA listed in your undergraduate GPA because you have earned two undergraduate degrees.

If we can be of additional assistance, please contact us at [email protected] or (202) 828-0600.

AMCAS, a division of the Association of American Medical Colleges
Section for Medical School Application Services
2450 N St., NW
Washington, DC 20037
U.S.A.
General Inquiries: (202) 828-0600
Fax: (202) 828-1120
www.aamc.org/AMCAS "

This is actually great information for all of you deciding between a second bachelor's or master's school. A bachelor's is also a much cheaper option, unless you have some type of assistantship for graduate school. My .02 👍
 
ahavah said:
This is actually great information for all of you deciding between a second bachelor's or master's school. A bachelor's is also a much cheaper option, unless you have some type of assistantship for graduate school. My .02 👍
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you get paid a stipend to do a research masters, plus second bachelors takes longer
 
Ya our answers were correct from what amcas said back to you; how r u interpreting it differently?
 
klmnop said:
you get paid a stipend to do a research masters, plus second bachelors takes longer
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Everyone doesn't get a stipend for a Master's and the length of time required to complete a 2nd bachelor's is dependent on the degree requirements that you have and have not met.
 
ahavah said:
Everyone doesn't get a stipend for a Master's and the length of time required to complete a 2nd bachelor's is dependent on the degree requirements that you have and have not met.
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you saying that everyone doesn't get paid and that it might not take longer, is just as valid as saying that many people do get paid and for many it will take longer.... thus unless you can prove that there are no opportunities for people to get paid in a research master's, and that every second bachelor's will take less time than every master's option, my argument is valid.

the fact is the opportunity exists to do it for cheaper ($0) and in less time (2 vs 3yrs) than a second bachelors. obviously you can find longer, more expensive routes in this method.... note i intentionally refrained from using absolutes.

the choice largely depends on what purpose you would be doing the second bachelor's for. if its to improve pre-reqs, then you should just do the bare minimum in a post-bacc. if its to improve gpa as a whole, then its probably valuable, but costly and probably not necessary if there are other methods. thus it depends on the program/what course you take. if you decide to do a second bachelor's in history, its useless.

i woudln't recommend starting a second bachelor's unless you intend to complete it, and it improves you application
 
It'd be nice if some users of this forum didn't take everything personally and attempted to turn discussions into some type of debate with an absolute victor. An opinion is an opinion. Nuff said.
 
this is what happens when you tell multiple people their responses are inaccurate
hypocrisy at its finest
 
Anyone know anything about the Tulane one year cell biology program and its linkage to Tulane SOM? Also, how competitive are my stats for EVMS and GT, they seem to be around avg. GPA but I'm worried about my MCAT?

3.28 OA (good upward trend)
3.20 BCPM
29M

Thanks!
 
ahavah said:
It'd be nice if some users of this forum didn't take everything personally and attempted to turn discussions into some type of debate with an absolute victor. An opinion is an opinion. Nuff said.
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Not taking it personally. Not debating an opinion. Don't care about victory. I care about the dissemination of factual info and perspectives based on experience not speculation. I've done AMCAS, AACOMAS and TMDSAS apps, and I have a 2nd bachelors, and I can look at the actual data reported by each app service. Any further questions?
 
cGPA: 3.2
sGPA: 2.8
URM
I have extensive extracurricular activities, research, and in the process of publishing a manuscript. I was a non-science major in college. I am in the process of studying for the MCAT and my goal is to take it in Sept. I struggled in my science courses but never received a grade lower than a C. I know I need to show adcoms that I can handle the rigor of medical school and I can. During my undergrad years I was working to support myself and my family ( single mom and younger siblings) which resulted in my poor grades ( poor time management). I want to apply to post-bacc programs but am financially handicapped ( decent credit score) to do so, since I received a full ride scholarship at my ugrad. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance!
 
elusiveCHILD said:
cGPA: 3.2
sGPA: 2.8
URM
I have extensive extracurricular activities, research, and in the process of publishing a manuscript. I was a non-science major in college. I am in the process of studying for the MCAT and my goal is to take it in Sept. I struggled in my science courses but never received a grade lower than a C. I know I need to show adcoms that I can handle the rigor of medical school and I can. During my undergrad years I was working to support myself and my family ( single mom and younger siblings) which resulted in my poor grades ( poor time management). I want to apply to post-bacc programs but am financially handicapped ( decent credit score) to do so, since I received a full ride scholarship at my ugrad. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance!
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Tons of programs for you. See category 5 in this post: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=8329886&postcount=1
 
Thanks! I've already looked at the list before and many of the deadlines have passed or you need a MCAT score to apply. I will keep those programs in mind for next spring.
 
3.44 cGPA
3.40 sGPA
3.52 non-sci

Options? What should I do? Apply MD/DO schools with that GPA or do SMP?
 
Squarely said:
3.44 cGPA
3.40 sGPA
3.52 non-sci

Options? What should I do? Apply MD/DO schools with that GPA or do SMP?
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With that GPA DO schools are within reach (you are at the cGPA sGPA average for DO schools). Probably not for MD. But the key here is your MCAT score which you have not provided.
 
I haven't posted in this section of the forum for quite some time. I just wanted to let you guys know that it is more than possible.

cGPA: 3.2
sGPA: 2.98 (AMCAS rounded it to a 3.0 for my app)
31S

Got one interview.

With a little over a month before the year is going to start, I just got pulled in off the wait list this morning.

When it boils down to it, all you need is one interview, one acceptance. I know it's a lot more complicated than that, but that's really all you need.

Apply EARLY EARLY EARLY and broadly. Good luck you guys!!!!
 
I used to look at this board once in a while during grad school as a lurker..
Was applicant during 2008 so this is old:

Cumulative GPA: 3.0
SciGPA: 2.7
Postbacc sciGPA during my days as full time worker: 2.69
Graduate GPA: 3.9

MCAT: 31O

I had 5 allopathic interviews, and accepted at 2 of them, waitlisted at 1 and turned down interview for 1.

I'm a second year in an allopathic school in the South.

Just want to give some hope to somebody. It was very uphill battle, however.

I'm nontraditional, with 4 years of full time work experience in medical research, so that might have also helped.
Applied early (submitted in June), and submitted with broad choices (good mixture of schools from everywhere and 40 primary and secondary apps with the help of FAP).

Through my app, I highlighted my perseverance and life experience.

Good luck to you guys applying this year. I understand how you feel... Keep working hard! 👍
 
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ACreativeMind03 said:
I used to look at this board once in a while during grad school as a lurker..
Was applicant during 2008 so this is old:

Cumulative GPA: 3.0
SciGPA: 2.7
Postbacc sciGPA during my days as full time worker: 2.69
Graduate GPA: 3.9

MCAT: 31O

I had 5 allopathic interviews, and accepted at 2 of them, waitlisted at 1 and turned down interview for 1.

I'm a second year in an allopathic school in the South.

Just want to give some hope to somebody. It was very uphill battle, however.

I'm nontraditional, with 4 years of full time work experience in medical research, so that might have also helped.
Applied early (submitted in June), and submitted with broad choices (good mixture of schools from everywhere and 40 primary and secondary apps with the help of FAP).

Through my app, I highlighted my perseverance and life experience.

Good luck to you guys applying this year. I understand how you feel... Keep working hard! 👍
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This just points to Dr. Midlife living in a fantasy land. I would recommend reading only the first 20 pages of this thread. All the "good" people have left and went to medical school while people like Dr. Midlife spams the current thread.
 
Moebius said:
This just points to Dr. Midlife living in a fantasy land. I would recommend reading only the first 20 pages of this thread. All the "good" people have left and went to medical school while people like Dr. Midlife spams the current thread.
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How is she living in a fantasy land? It's possible to get into med school with below average stats, that's why they're an average, but this process is all about maximizing your chances. It's like those half-court shot contests at halftime during a bball game, sure people make them sometimes, but would you rather shoot from half court or from the free throw line?
 
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How is she living in a fantasy land? It's possible to get into med school with below average stats, that's why they're an average, but this process is all about maximizing your chances. It's like those half-court shot contests at halftime during a bball game, sure people make them sometimes, but would you rather shoot from half court or from the free throw line?
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I feel her advice could/probably have caused people to spend longer than they should have doing enither postbac/SMP.

A lot of the stats are acceptable for US Medical Schools. She gives a one dimentional outlook that might be harmful to a lot of applicants. A lot of people have gotten in with less than average due to uptrend GPA or high MCAT.
 
Moebius said:
I feel her advice could/probably have caused people to spend longer than they should have doing enither postbac/SMP.

A lot of the stats are acceptable for US Medical Schools. She gives a one dimentional outlook that might be harmful to a lot of applicants. A lot of people have gotten in with less than average due to uptrend GPA or high MCAT.
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Idk, I think her advice has been sound and I've done it all, postbac, med school, and adcom interviewer <shrug>
 
Hello everyone,
I would like some advice on my current situation….
Grad from CC…on to UCF-Bio- Placed on Academic probation for two semesters then disqualified with one semester remaining. I applied to another school because I didn’t want to wait one year to reapply to UCF. Was accepted to Nova –Bachelors of Health Science (30credits) I currently have one more semester and I will finally have my undergrad degree. I have been doing great so far….all A’s…and I am going to add Biochem in the mix next semester.
*The main pre-reqs were completed before I was disqualified with A's/B's
UCF:
Overall: 2.6
sGPA: 2.5ish >_______<~~~
I already took the MCAT-35P
So, I am wondering what I should do from this point…be it Post Bacc or SMP? After Nova I know my overall gpa will be a smidge better…but the science will still be mehh.
Graduation is set for Dec, so in the spring I was thinking of taking some science courses. Would Non-degree status work? Or would Post-bacc be a better choice? Should I even consider an SMP?

Thanks for any help.
 
drizzt3117 said:
Idk, I think her advice has been sound and I've done it all, postbac, med school, and adcom interviewer <shrug>
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I think her advice is too cautious and not aggressive enough. It fails to underline the purpose behind the process, what each school expects, etc. Her view of the numbers are too one dimensional. As the previous posers indicated above, if they followed her advice, they could have been in a lot of trouble and lost time instead of going to Med School.
 
Moebius said:
I think her advice is too cautious and not aggressive enough. It fails to underline the purpose behind the process, what each school expects, etc. Her view of the numbers are too one dimensional. As the previous posers indicated above, if they followed her advice, they could have been in a lot of trouble and lost time instead of going to Med School.
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I'm pretty sure I have more perspective than you do. If I saw an app like the last poster mentioned I'd toss it in the trash and I cant imagine that's unusual. Mediocre ug, mediocre gpa? Unless you're a urm that's an auto-reject.
 
drizzt3117 said:
I'm pretty sure I have more perspective than you do. If I saw an app like the last poster mentioned I'd toss it in the trash and I cant imagine that's unusual. Mediocre ug, mediocre gpa? Unless you're a urm that's an auto-reject.
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w/e A lot of people have gotten in despite what you are saying. Facts are facts. Denying it doesn't make it go away. The individuals reading it will have to decide. The first few posers and the last two got in are living proof. Denying it won't a difference. Also, my pediatrican was the adimission officer of a medical school.
 
Moebius said:
w/e A lot of people have gotten in despite what you are saying. Facts are facts. Denying it doesn't make it go away. The individuals reading it will have to decide. The first few posers and the last two got in are living proof. Denying it won't a difference. Also, my pediatrican was the adimission officer of a medical school.
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Let's talk about facts then. Obviously it's not impossible but if you look at the acceptance percentages from the aamc for 3.0/31 it's about 25%, and a lot of the people getting in with those stats are URM. My guess is the chances for a non-URM student with those #s is < 10%. The chances of getting in with those #s and a solid SMP performance are about 80%. Any other questions?

Source: http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table24-mcatgpagridall2007-09.pdf
 
drizzt3117 said:
Let's talk about facts then. Obviously it's not impossible but if you look at the acceptance percentages from the aamc for 3.0/31 it's about 25%, and a lot of the people getting in with those stats are URM. My guess is the chances for a non-URM student with those #s is < 10%. The chances of getting in with those #s and a solid SMP performance are about 80%. Any other questions?

Source: http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table24-mcatgpagridall2007-09.pdf
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You are pretty arrogant. There are a lot of people who have done well in the postbac around 30-50 credits and got into medical school with a decent MCAT and a lot less debt. I know you must have done a SMP to get in, but lets not get too carried away here. There are a lot of possibilities and you are picking and choosing the things you like to hear. Being URM is not an instant in, there are other reasons that explain the whole picture. I hope as a doctor, you won't be as biased as you are now and act with professionalism.
 
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