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FarscapeGirl said:
Your quote from Socrates about knowing nothing but your ignorance is quite apropos. Stereotype much?

Wow. I mean, wow. Being overweight and/or obese is a risk factor for disease, not a definite factor. You can be overweight and still have good cardiovascular function, etc.

And the overweight and obese people I know seem to have no problem keeping themselves clean. I would love for you to tell this to any obese friends and family members you have and see how much respect they have for you.
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Don't act like you know anything but your ignorance either. :d

WVU is right that I have no obese people in my super Asian family. It's less a genetic thing than an eating choice/ lifestyle thing though.

I didn't make fun of overweight people, I made fun of obese people; all your arguments about overweight people are irrelevant. I said the shame for being fat should be preserved (so that we discourage people from becoming obese.) Don't act like you wouldn't mind sitting in the center of a packed movie theater with obese people filling up your row on both sides when the fire alarm goes off. Obese people are fire hazards and they should get a ticket. End of story.
 
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Kirbypuff said:
Don't act like you know anything but your ignorance either. :d

It's less a genetic thing than an eating choice/ lifestyle thing though.
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I think fat Americans and skinny Asians have alot in common.

According to some...a big reason for obesity in America and particular poor, urban areas is due to the scarcity of healthy, nutritious foods. There is a fast-food restuarant on every corner...very much outnumbering grocery stores. They're just so available and convenient...especially if you have to drive a ways to a grocer. And on top of that...healthy food is not cheap. Good-quality foods are more expensive...fresh fruits, vegetables, milk, whole grain wheats, are all more expensive at the grocer when compared to their processed alternatives like white bread, pancakes, and the millions of products loaded with high-fructose corn-syrup.

Then you've got asian people where the staple food is rice. You've got what? A billion people in China eating rice all the time, and for 90% they can't afford anything else.

Two entirely different outcomes from the same cause: poverty. Although poverty in the US is not the same as poverty in China...people here are still buying fast food...I guess I would call it a side effect of corporate "America"...just wait until China has McDonalds on every corner. And we are humans afterall...salt pleases our tongues...it's prolly why people always go back. But that MSG in the "pseudo-Chinese" food is pretty damn good too! How much salt do they put on rice in Asia?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9917732

OBJECTIVE: To collect information on changes in dietary patterns among Asian students before and after immigration to the United States. DESIGN: A questionnaire designed to collect information about background, changes in food habits, and frequency of food consumption from a 72-item food list was mailed to subjects. SUBJECTS/SETTING: Potential participants were students of local universities and junior colleges who were born in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, or Korea and were aged 18 years or older. All subjects were required to have been residing in the United States for at least 3 months before the start of the study. Questionnaires were mailed to 120 potential participants. STATISTICAL ANALYSIS: Paired t tests were used to determine differences in eating patterns and frequency of food consumption of subjects before and after immigrating to the United States. RESULTS: Seventy-one questionnaires were returned. Because of missing information on 8 of these questionnaires, only 63 were used in the analysis, which gave a response rate of 53%. The number of students consuming only 2 meals per day increased significantly; 29 (46%) respondents skipped breakfast because of their school schedules. Despite no significant change in the frequency of snack consumption, a majority (n = 46; 73%) of the respondents were consuming more salty and sweet snack items. Subjects were eating out less often, but they were selecting more American-style fast foods when they did eat out. Significant increases were noted in consumption of fats/sweets, diary products, and fruits, and significant decreases were noted in the consumption of meat/meat alternatives and vegetables after immigration to the United States. APPLICATIONS/CONCLUSIONS: Results of this study could be useful to dietetics practitioners as they observe changes in dietary patterns of Asian immigrants. These health professionals can use this information to plan nutrition education programs for Asian groups so that they can make informed decisions in adapting to new eating patterns and make wise food choices in their new environment. It is important to help Asian immigrants retain healthful food habits from their original country and to encourage them to choose eating patterns of the new culture that are nutritionally sound.
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RxMarine said:
I think fat Americans and skinny Asians have alot in common.

According to some...a big reason for obesity in America and particular poor, urban areas is due to the scarcity of healthy, nutritious foods. There is a fast-food restuarant on every corner...very much outnumbering grocery stores. They're just so available and convenient...especially if you have to drive a ways to a grocer. And on top of that...healthy food is not cheap. Good-quality foods are more expensive...fresh fruits, vegetables, milk, whole grain wheats, are all more expensive at the grocer when compared to their processed alternatives like white bread, pancakes, and the millions of products loaded with high-fructose corn-syrup.

Then you've got asian people where the staple food is rice. You've got what? A billion people in China eating rice all the time, and for 90% they can't afford anything else.

Two entirely different outcomes from the same cause: poverty. Although poverty in the US is not the same as poverty in China...people here are still buying fast food...I guess I would call it a side effect of corporate "America"...just wait until China has McDonalds on every corner. And we are humans afterall...salt pleases our tongues...it's prolly why people always go back. But that MSG in the "pseudo-Chinese" food is pretty damn good too! How much salt do they put on rice in Asia?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9917732
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Yeah, I've heard of that argument before. It's bull**** though. You can't be fat without being rich. True poverty leads to starvation, not obesity. "Poor Americans" are not poor at all compared to poor people in third world countries. I have no pity for poor Americans. "Wahhhh the food is miles away." There's NO food in some countries. Suck it up and jog to the food if you must. You can knock out some cardio while you get the food. I only care about poor American children, but their deadbeat parents need to switch places with some people stuck in North Korea before they complain that they're "poor."

You don't have to super-size your meals at McDonald's. You can get a cheeseburger and drink some water with lemon. That's 300 calories and some vitamin C. Last time I checked, education was free in America. You cannot be that stupid and ignorant about diet. If you're settling for the convenience of going to McDonald's instead of making the trip to the grocery store, that is a CHOICE that you're making and it is by CHOICE that people are becoming obese.
 
Kirbypuff said:
Yeah, I've heard of that argument before. It's bull**** though. You can't be fat without being rich. True poverty leads to starvation, not obesity. "Poor Americans" are not poor at all compared to poor people in third world countries. I have no pity for poor Americans. "Wahhhh the food is miles away." There's NO food in some countries. Suck it up and jog to the food if you must. You can knock out some cardio while you get the food. I only care about poor American children, but their deadbeat parents need to switch places with some people stuck in North Korea before they complain that they're "poor."

You don't have to super-size your meals at McDonald's. You can get a cheeseburger and drink some water with lemon. That's 300 calories and some vitamin C. Last time I checked, education was free in America. You cannot be that stupid and ignorant about diet. If you're settling for the convenience of going to McDonald's instead of making the trip to the grocery store, that is a CHOICE that you're making and it is by CHOICE that people are becoming obese.
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So after you've worked your twelve-hour shift minimum wage job on your feet all day, you're going to go jogging to the grocery store, cook for an hour and a half for your nutritious meal, and spend double what you could at McDonald's? For some rice, beans, and kale? That's less time you could be spending with your children. Less time to be relaxing. Less time to find out what's going on in the world.

And nutrition education in our schools is not very good and used to be even worse. The four food groups is far from complete. If you're working several minimum wage jobs and trying to provide for your family, you probably don't have time or energy to keep up on all the new nutrition information. It takes time and money to work out and eat healthy in this country, despite what you may believe.

Numerous studies have shown this. Studies have also shown that the poorer you are, the more stress you have. This also negatively affects your health, both directly and by increasing your weight. But, go ahead and believe what you want. God forbid we have empathy for people not as well off as we are.
 
Kirbypuff said:
Don't act like you know anything but your ignorance either. :d

WVU is right that I have no obese people in my super Asian family. It's less a genetic thing than an eating choice/ lifestyle thing though.

I didn't make fun of overweight people, I made fun of obese people; all your arguments about overweight people are irrelevant. I said the shame for being fat should be preserved (so that we discourage people from becoming obese.) Don't act like you wouldn't mind sitting in the center of a packed movie theater with obese people filling up your row on both sides when the fire alarm goes off. Obese people are fire hazards and they should get a ticket. End of story.
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Yes, the fact that society makes fun of fat people is working so well to reduce the number of fat people that the number of obese is steadily increasing across the US. In no way do fat jokes make overweight people more stressed, which then leads them to stress eat, which makes them increase their size. Bring on the fat jokes to keep people healthy! Why did I not see this before?

So how should we give these obese people tickets for being fire hazards? Every time they want to go to a movie, that will be $35 dollars, please? Should cops start carrying around scales and BMI calculators? Can you get off with warnings? By showing proof that you're enrolled in Weight Watchers?

For the record, I worry when people are overweight, when I see overweight and especially obese children. I worry about their potential health risks. I also believe if you are too overweight to fit in an airline seat, you should buy two seats (but also get double frequent flier miles for it!), both for your safety and the comfort and safety of those around you. I myself am a healthy weight, but I know a lot about nutrition and when I'm stressed, I usually end up eating less, which is somewhat abnormal.
 
FarscapeGirl said:
So after you've worked your twelve-hour shift minimum wage job on your feet all day, you're going to go jogging to the grocery store, cook for an hour and a half for your nutritious meal, and spend double what you could at McDonald's? For some rice, beans, and kale? That's less time you could be spending with your children. Less time to be relaxing. Less time to find out what's going on in the world.

And nutrition education in our schools is not very good and used to be even worse. The four food groups is far from complete. If you're working several minimum wage jobs and trying to provide for your family, you probably don't have time or energy to keep up on all the new nutrition information. It takes time and money to work out and eat healthy in this country, despite what you may believe.

Numerous studies have shown this. Studies have also shown that the poorer you are, the more stress you have. This also negatively affects your health, both directly and by increasing your weight. But, go ahead and believe what you want. God forbid we have empathy for people not as well off as we are.
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Who goes grocery shopping on the day they go to work? Do you? And who on Earth has been working this minimum wage job without getting a promotion in 2 years? It seems like we're arguing over imaginary people. All the workers at my local McDonald's seem to no hable ingles, and those who have been working at the supermarket for years (White and English speaking) do make enough to take home (living paycheck to paycheck,) but I always see them smoking cigarettes. Can you imagine someone who gets employee discounts on groceries... and then wastes the savings on cigarettes? No pity for the smokers.

I have empathy for people, but not for people who habitually make stupid choices. No pity for obese people, and no pity for smokers.
 
Kirbypuff said:
"Poor Americans" are not poor at all compared to poor people in third world countries..
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This is relatively true. Being a young first generation immigrant turned US citizen, I grew up poor, but I never knew or felt I was poor until I went to college. Both my parents worked two jobs and I seldom saw my parents at home; except on weekends. We slept in 1 small room till I was 16 years old and we held an amazing ability to live a frugal life. Looking back, I now know we were and are still poor, but even so, it was in no comparison to the level of poverty experienced by the poorest people in third world countries; such as Zimbabwe. Zimbabweans have been starving for the last 7 years; surviving on meager diet consisting of vegetables, wild fruits and insects.
 
FarscapeGirl said:
Yes, the fact that society makes fun of fat people is working so well to reduce the number of fat people that the number of obese is steadily increasing across the US. In no way do fat jokes make overweight people more stressed, which then leads them to stress eat, which makes them increase their size. Bring on the fat jokes to keep people healthy! Why did I not see this before?

So how should we give these obese people tickets for being fire hazards? Every time they want to go to a movie, that will be $35 dollars, please? Should cops start carrying around scales and BMI calculators? Can you get off with warnings? By showing proof that you're enrolled in Weight Watchers?

For the record, I worry when people are overweight, when I see overweight and especially obese children. I worry about their potential health risks. I also believe if you are too overweight to fit in an airline seat, you should buy two seats (but also get double frequent flier miles for it!), both for your safety and the comfort and safety of those around you. I myself am a healthy weight, but I know a lot about nutrition and when I'm stressed, I usually end up eating less, which is somewhat abnormal.
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Amen to that! :laugh:

No, you can't get off with a warning. If you're too fat, it's too late, you get a ticket. :d If I knew how, I would embed a youtube video of Trina's "Pull-over" video. "Whoop whoop, pull over that ass too fat!"

My dad made fun of me when I came home for winter break with some Freshman-15 on my thighs. He would secretly point at ladies with tremendous thighs and whisper to me, "That's how you're going to look in 20 years." I came home the following summer break back to normal. If you love your daughter, you will make fun of her when she's starting to gain some weight. I guess I'm being too harsh on obese people, they're actually very useful as bad examples. 😀
 
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Transformer said:
This is relatively true. Being a young first generation immigrant turned US citizen, I grew up poor, but I never knew or felt I was poor until I went to college. Both my parents worked two jobs and I seldom saw my parents at home; except on weekends. We slept in 1 small room till I was 16 years old and we held an amazing ability to live a frugal life. Looking back, I now know we were and are still poor, but even so, it was in no comparison to the level of poverty experienced by the poorest people in third world countries; such as Zimbabwe. Zimbabweans have been starving for the last 7 years; surviving on meager diet consisting of vegetables, wild fruits and insects.
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👍 I feel you 100%. I'm 2nd generation, but my parents worked overtime and underpaid for quite a long time until their breakthrough. We're much better off now, but we still use and invest all our money frugally. Nobody became obese as a result of our poverty.

Are you or any of your family members obese?
 
Kirbypuff said:
Amen to that! :laugh:

No, you can't get off with a warning. If you're too fat, it's too late, you get a ticket. :d If I knew how, I would embed a youtube video of Trina's "Pull-over" video. "Whoop whoop, pull over that ass too fat!"

My dad made fun of me when I came home for winter break with some Freshman-15 on my thighs. He would secretly point at ladies with tremendous thighs and whisper to me, "That's how you're going to look in 20 years." I came home the following summer break back to normal. If you love your daughter, you will make fun of her when she's starting to gain some weight. I guess I'm being too harsh on obese people, they're actually very useful as bad examples. 😀
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Thanks for the eating disorder, Dad!
 
njac said:
Thanks for the eating disorder, Dad!
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LOL! Hey, eating healthy, avoiding sugar, and exercising does not constitute an eating disorder. My BMI is 18.3 and my blood pressure reading is 90/60, and I can chase down the cab that I left my phone in. 😎 I gained the thigh weight by eating free ice cream at the dining hall with like almost every meal. 😳
 
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Kirbypuff said:
Who goes grocery shopping on the day they go to work? Do you? And who on Earth has been working this minimum wage job without getting a promotion in 2 years? It seems like we're arguing over imaginary people. All the workers at my local McDonald's seem to no hable ingles, and those who have been working at the supermarket for years (White and English speaking) do make enough to take home (living paycheck to paycheck,) but I always see them smoking cigarettes. Can you imagine someone who gets employee discounts on groceries... and then wastes the savings on cigarettes? No pity for the smokers.

I have empathy for people, but not for people who habitually make stupid choices. No pity for obese people, and no pity for smokers.
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Umm... actually, I often go grocery shopping the same day that I work.

I'm not really arguing over imaginary people. I grew up for part of my childhood in the rural south. The food choices there often aren't very good (try being a vegetarian, for instance... even the green beans are cooked in bacon). What people grow up with is then what they eat as an adult. Most in that area don't have a ton of money. And their jobs do not pay very much at all. There's a lot of people who are normal weight, but there's certainly more overweight and obese than where I currently live in Seattle. Here, there's a lot more and better food choices, people often walk more because they take public transportation, and the weather is more conducive to outdoor activities. It makes a difference.

As well, our society has crack pot "nutritionists" and bad newspaper articles/TV reports that put out incorrect or misleading info on nutrition. People think they're eating well, but instead they're spending way too much time and money on organic and "healthy" food, when they could be spending a lot less just eating better regular food. And they're not paying enough attention to calories, as that's not a popular thing to report on the evening news, so they're still over-eating.

The "diets" reported in the media often don't help either. All you have to do is eat XYZ and you'll lose 30 pounds in 30 days!!! What they don't report is even if you follow the diet, which is almost impossible to do, you'll gain it all right back when you go back to your normal food. And probably gain even more. Numerous studies have shown this, too.

I have empathy for these people because I don't think we're treating them right. Our media reports bad info, people take advantage of the overweight and obese by selling them diets that don't work, and too often the businesses that are around these people sell them junk and nothing else.
 
Kirbypuff said:
Amen to that! :laugh:

No, you can't get off with a warning. If you're too fat, it's too late, you get a ticket. :d If I knew how, I would embed a youtube video of Trina's "Pull-over" video. "Whoop whoop, pull over that ass too fat!"

My dad made fun of me when I came home for winter break with some Freshman-15 on my thighs. He would secretly point at ladies with tremendous thighs and whisper to me, "That's how you're going to look in 20 years." I came home the following summer break back to normal. If you love your daughter, you will make fun of her when she's starting to gain some weight. I guess I'm being too harsh on obese people, they're actually very useful as bad examples. 😀
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Your dad was putting you at risk of developing an eating disorder. If you don't have one, like you say, you probably do exhibit some eating habits that would be worrisome to counselors.

With a BMI of 18.3, you're actually underweight and putting yourself at risk for disease. There are studies that show the underweight are more at risk of an early death than the overweight. As well, most men actually prefer women to have some curves. I'm not talking in the overweight range, but in the normal range. Ever go on Fark.com? A routine comment there when the guys see a very thin girl is that she needs a sandwich or that her sandwich ratio is off.
 
FarscapeGirl said:
Your dad was putting you at risk of developing an eating disorder. If you don't have one, like you say, you probably do exhibit some eating habits that would be worrisome to counselors.

With a BMI of 18.3, you're actually underweight and putting yourself at risk for disease. There are studies that show the underweight are more at risk of an early death than the overweight. As well, most men actually prefer women to have some curves. I'm not talking in the overweight range, but in the normal range. Ever go on Fark.com? A routine comment there when the guys see a very thin girl is that she needs a sandwich or that her sandwich ratio is off.
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Oh shutttt up. First of all, BMI is a horrible indicator for disease because it does not take into account overall body composition--simply height and weight.

Second of all, what a b**** move to tell Kirby that her dad was putting her at risk for an eating disorder, do you have your doctorate in psychology? Shove it.

Third, any person with half a brain knows the leading cause of death in the united states is CAD, and the leading cause for CAD is obesity and sedentary lifestyle. Being obese increases your chances for virtually every type of cancer and chronic health condition known to man. Get out of here with your 'underweight people are more likely to die young than overweight' propaganda bull****.
 
I think the leading cause of CAD is genetics. But I don't know if there have been any studies, because most patients have a conglomerate of multiple risk factors.
 
njac said:
I think the leading cause of CAD is genetics. But I don't know if there have been any studies, because most patients have a conglomerate of multiple risk factors.
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No, it's physical inactivity/obesity. Otherwise known as "lifestyle choices", though, genetics do play a role.
 
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FarscapeGirl said:
Your dad was putting you at risk of developing an eating disorder. If you don't have one, like you say, you probably do exhibit some eating habits that would be worrisome to counselors.

With a BMI of 18.3, you're actually underweight and putting yourself at risk for disease. There are studies that show the underweight are more at risk of an early death than the overweight. As well, most men actually prefer women to have some curves. I'm not talking in the overweight range, but in the normal range. Ever go on Fark.com? A routine comment there when the guys see a very thin girl is that she needs a sandwich or that her sandwich ratio is off.
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I do admire your empathy for obese people, especially from observing first hand how hard it is for people to find healthier choices. But from my point of view, all Americans are spoiled and lazy compared to those stuck in a third world country or pressed under an insane dictatorship.

The BMI scale was designed for the average white person. Asians have a higher life expectancy, particularly the Japanese, so I'm not concerned with that. I just worry about taking enough daily calcium to prevent osteoporosis. None of my friends who have dined with me enough will say that I have an eating disorder. I drink Coronas, I love chicken wings, and I like my steak medium rare, but I watch the calories. I have not been on Fark.com, but I have received enough compliments on my butt and my tiny waist to keep me happy. 🙂
 
njac said:
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I can't find you a cold hard quote from the CDC but it should be noted that virtually all of the major risk factors and contributing factors can be controlled by modifying lifestyle choices. Obesity increases your chances for developing most of the risk factors (ie: hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, diabetes, etc).

Point is, genetics do play a role, but they're nowhere near as impactful as lifestyle choices. Effectively: we're killing ourselves by being lazy and morbidly obese.
 
calisoca said:
Oh shutttt up. First of all, BMI is a horrible indicator for disease because it does not take into account overall body composition--simply height and weight.

Second of all, what a b**** move to tell Kirby that her dad was putting her at risk for an eating disorder, do you have your doctorate in psychology? Shove it.

Third, any person with half a brain knows the leading cause of death in the united states is CAD, and the leading cause for CAD is obesity and sedentary lifestyle. Being obese increases your chances for virtually every type of cancer and chronic health condition known to man. Get out of here with your 'underweight people are more likely to die young than overweight' propaganda bull****.
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You're right that BMI isn't completely accurate. It doesn't take into account bone structure, etc.

But parents that criticize their children's weight do put their children at risk of developing an eating disorder. I'd find an exact study for you, but when I searched on PubMed, I found about 500 articles, and I'm not in the mood to look through all the abstracts. The relationship a father has with her daughter can especially put a girl at risk. It was maybe a bit callous of me to suggest that Kirbypuff has an eating disorder, but before you tell me to shove it, maybe you should at least assume I'm not pulling stuff out of thin air?

Yes, I do know that CAD is the highest cause of death in the US. I should, since that's a small portion of my graduate thesis project. But being underweight is risky, too, and I'm not just making things up. The most recent study focused on 11,000 Canadian adults. The link is below.

http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/oby2009191a.html

The only thing I'm not sure on is if they took into account the wasting that can occur in those dying from cancer. But being underweight does put your health at risk.
 
Kirbypuff said:
I do admire your empathy for obese people, especially from observing first hand how hard it is for people to find healthier choices. But from my point of view, all Americans are spoiled and lazy compared to those stuck in a third world country or pressed under an insane dictatorship.

The BMI scale was designed for the average white person. Asians have a higher life expectancy, particularly the Japanese, so I'm not concerned with that. I just worry about taking enough daily calcium to prevent osteoporosis. None of my friends who have dined with me enough will say that I have an eating disorder. I drink Coronas, I love chicken wings, and I like my steak medium rare, but I watch the calories. I have not been on Fark.com, but I have received enough compliments on my butt and my tiny waist to keep me happy. 🙂
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Yeah, I have no idea what it's like to live in a third-world country, and I'd imagine most people in the US don't. We are pretty lucky, and we really should appreciate it more.

I do think we should actually get people to pay attention when they first put on five pounds or have to go to the next size up. If you take action then, instead of waiting until you've gained 30, 50, 100 pounds, it's a lot easier to deal with. Your body has a weight set point, which can be changed, but it's hard. If you only need to lose five pounds that you just put on, it's a lot easier than waiting until you need to lose a lot more.

Glad to see you enjoy the good things in life. Just don't fret too much if you do put on a few pounds every once in awhile; most of the time, no one notices but you anyway!
 
FarscapeGirl said:
You're right that BMI isn't completely accurate. It doesn't take into account bone structure, etc.

But parents that criticize their children's weight do put their children at risk of developing an eating disorder. I'd find an exact study for you, but when I searched on PubMed, I found about 500 articles, and I'm not in the mood to look through all the abstracts. The relationship a father has with her daughter can especially put a girl at risk. It was maybe a bit callous of me to suggest that Kirbypuff has an eating disorder, but before you tell me to shove it, maybe you should at least assume I'm not pulling stuff out of thin air?

Yes, I do know that CAD is the highest cause of death in the US. I should, since that's a small portion of my graduate thesis project. But being underweight is risky, too, and I'm not just making things up. The most recent study focused on 11,000 Canadian adults. The link is below.

http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/oby2009191a.html

The only thing I'm not sure on is if they took into account the wasting that can occur in those dying from cancer. But being underweight does put your health at risk.
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No doubt individuals can be influenced by remarks tossed down from family members, I'm not denying that. I was simply stating that in the context of this discussion you made quite the leep from "my dad let me know I tacked on a few pounds at school" to "your dad is psychologically damaging you and putting you at risk for eating disorder--dart to the nearest toilet because you'll soon feel an undeniable need to purge."
 
calisoca said:
I can't find you a cold hard quote from the CDC but it should be noted that virtually all of the major risk factors and contributing factors can be controlled by modifying lifestyle choices. Obesity increases your chances for developing most of the risk factors (ie: hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, diabetes, etc).

Point is, genetics do play a role, but they're nowhere near as impactful as lifestyle choices. Effectively: we're killing ourselves by being lazy and morbidly obese.
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It depends on what genetics you have. Certain people are almost guaranteed to get CAD.

Others are also pre-disposed to obesity more so than others. The Pima Native American population, when on a normal Western diet, have many more health problems and more easily become overweight and obese than most people. Those that were in utero when their mother underwent a period of starvation are also more likely to be obese. It's the whole thrifty gene/thrifty phenotype hypothesis.
 
calisoca said:
No doubt individuals can be influenced by remarks tossed down from family members, I'm not denying that. I was simply stating that in the context of this discussion you made quite the leep from "my dad let me know I tacked on a few pounds at school" to "your dad is psychologically damaging you and putting you at risk for eating disorder--dart to the nearest toilet because you'll soon feel an undeniable need to purge."
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I said her dad put her at risk of, not that he definitely gave her an eating disorder.

I try not to be mean (even though this is the internet), but I get angry when I hear parents saying things like that to their daughters. So many women have body image issues, and parents' comments like that don't help (the parents most likely have image issues of their own, but still). I'd smack my husband if he ever said that to a daughter of mine (although fortunately, I know he never will!).
 
I was the first one to make an eating disorder remark. Your anger is missplaced
 
FarscapeGirl said:
I said her dad put her at risk of, not that he definitely gave her an eating disorder.

I try not to be mean (even though this is the internet), but I get angry when I hear parents saying things like that to their daughters. So many women have body image issues, and parents' comments like that don't help (the parents most likely have image issues of their own, but still). I'd smack my husband if he ever said that to a daughter of mine (although fortunately, I know he never will!).
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Hmmm perhaps this is yet another "Asian" thing to criticize your children for being too fat or too skinny. I'm not saying it's the BEST way to rear your child, especially if you're not tactful with your words, but it is quite common and I don't think it's necessarily a bad way either, especially if it's going to curb obesity or anorexia. My mom used to always complain that I was too skinny since I was in pre-school. But when I came home from college with Chun-Lee thunder thighs (from Street Fighter) I guess it was dad's turn to play fat cop, cus mom is the skinny cop. Also, I don't think it's as rude to point out people's weights in Asian culture as in American culture. If it's less about the appearances of being fat and more about the health that the fat indicates, then I would rather tell my child that she/he is getting fat than be polite and not mention anything. Like you said before, isn't it better to stop someone from gaining anymore weight at 5-10lbs instead of 20-30lbs when it's actually painful to say anything?
 
jachen84 said:
who here is attending the 2009 ASHP midyear clinical meeting in las vegas? I had my vacation days approved by my employer so I will be there this December! Anyone interested in doing a meet-up for those who are attending? Let me know
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I'll be there with my co-residents as well. I've been told by njac that I have to go out, so I'll probably be painting the town with her. 😛
 
Glycerin said:
I'll be there with my co-residents as well. I've been told by njac that I have to go out, so I'll probably be painting the town with her. 😛
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I'll also be there. But this year, I'm going to do a better job of hiding from stalkers. 👍
 
Man, I can't believe I posted a video of a Kid singing a song and then all of a sudden the thread turns into an eating disorder discussion.....I feel kind of famous now.
 
I'm out drinking with one of glycerin's classmates. She and her coresidents will be painting the town with us!
 
Kirbypuff said:
And who on Earth has been working this minimum wage job without getting a promotion in 2 years? It seems like we're arguing over imaginary people. All the workers at my local McDonald's seem to no hable engles, and those who have been working at the supermarket for years (White and English speaking) do make enough to take home (living paycheck to paycheck,) but I always see them smoking cigarettes. Can you imagine someone who gets employee discounts on groceries... and then wastes the savings on cigarettes? No pity for the smokers.

I have empathy for people, but not for people who habitually make stupid choices. No pity for obese people, and no pity for smokers.
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Damn...who don't you judge? Perhaps you should consider a career change into law? I know two techs who have to work two jobs to support their families....how much free time do you think they have to shop for food/cook/do laundry/relax for a moment? This isn't back in the day where there was a sole bread winner who made enough to support a family of five while the wife picked up groceries and took care of the kids/food/house chores.

Most people who come into the pharmacy aren't there because they ate sushi n rice their whole life...because they never smoked in their life...or because they had protected sex their whole life (just for good measure)

I won't lie...when I got out of bootcamp I thought everyone was fat, and it disgusted me at the time...for like a week...

...but you know what that's called when you can "choose" to become fat?

Freedom.

That's the thing the US has over N.Korea...China...and all those other third world countries you mentioned.

Are you the gestapo? You want to ticket people for being fat? Maybe we should ticket people of certain religions...why don't we just start arresting anyone who believes in Allah...wouldn't we save some money on counter-terrorism? Sure...we'll arrest alot of good people...but we'll bag a few bad ones too...they all had a choice, right?

I assume you've read about what the US Government did to Japanese Americans during WWII?

Who are we to decide what is stupid for someone to do? Are they infringing on your freedom?

Should the government ban all highly saturated foods? We'll ban bacon...ice cream...alcohol...all the things some people say are stupid choices...it'll be awesome...like Demolition Man.

We can all have sex through cool ESP headsets...
 
RxMarine said:
Damn...who don't you judge? Perhaps you should consider a career change into law? I know two techs who have to work two jobs to support their families....how much free time do you think they have to shop for food/cook/do laundry/relax for a moment? This isn't back in the day where there was a sole bread winner who made enough to support a family of five while the wife picked up groceries and took care of the kids/food/house chores.
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Is this your justification for grown adults feeding small children McDonalds? If so, it is weak at best. If I worked 90 hours a week, for one, I wouldn't be so selfish to have children, and two, I still wouldn't feed them **** for sustenance.
 
Priapism321 said:
Is this your justification for grown adults feeding small children McDonalds? If so, it is weak at best. If I worked 90 hours a week, for one, I wouldn't be so selfish to have children, and two, I still wouldn't feed them **** for sustenance.
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It would be best if you couldn't support children to not have them. However, even if you do have a good job and everything, things can change in a moment, and you need to do whatever you can.

And our society doesn't always do a good job of teaching people sex ed and then stigmatizes people for getting abortions.

Are you against McDonald's ever? Occasionally (like once a month), it probably won't hurt your kids much, and they'll be less likely to gorge on crap when they leave the house if you let them have a treat every once in awhile.
 
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