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The pre-allo people are "different"

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I would propose that there are slightly more people over there that just seem to be more uptight, even anal. There's a recent thread from a highschool kid wondering what college would be best for premed. My answer was that any accredited college or university that he/she felt most comfortable at would be fine. However it seems my oppinion is the minority, because several people over there seem to place great importance on going to a "top" school: Harvard, Yale, U of M, UCLA, etc.

I'm not saying all pre-DO and DO students are laid-back hippies, but I think I just fit in better over here.

***Notice I said PRE-allo***
 
I hear ya' man. My father is a DO, so my family knows several DOs and MDs. My mother commented once (no offense to the allo's who may be reading this, as I know that this is a big generalization, and not all are like this) that "while DO's are trained in OMM, MD's are trained in how to be an dingus".
 
I hate these threads. the degree you choose does not indicate who you are as an individual. AT the very most, maybe pre-DO students are more humble because many of us have a shortcoming (be it gpa or MCAT) that first introduced us to the osteopathic world.
 
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I agree that there definitely seems to be a personality difference between the two forums. 😉
 
jason3278 said:
I've noticed that people over there just seem to be more uptight, even anal. There's a recent thread from a highschool kid wondering what college would be best for premed. My answer was that any accredited college or university that he/she felt most comfortable at would be fine. However it seems my oppinion is the minority, because several people over there seem to place great importance on going to a "top" school: Harvard, Yale, U of M, UCLA, etc.

I'm not saying all pre-DO and DO students are laid-back hippies, but I think I just fit in better over here.
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I wish I had advice like this when I was entering university. I turned down an admission to my undergraduate university in my hometown, plus a $12 000 scholarship, to go to a more 'well-known' university out of town. Now that I'm paying off the loans (ouch, my wallet!!!), and realize that attending the more well-known university didn't really help that much in the med school admissions process, I wish I would have taken that scholarship and gone to the smaller school.
 
hsmooth said:
I wish I had advice like this when I was entering university. I turned down an admission to my undergraduate university in my hometown, plus a $12 000 scholarship, to go to a more 'well-known' university out of town. Now that I'm paying off the loans (ouch, my wallet!!!), and realize that attending the more well-known university didn't really help that much in the med school admissions process, I wish I would have taken that scholarship and gone to the smaller school.
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Yea, I had to make that decision and thank god my parents helped me make the correct one. My guidance counselor was pushing for me to go to the more prestigious school. But i didnt.... GO HUSKIES!
 
I am not in bad shape as far as numbers go, but I am applying to DO because I feel as it my career goals and personality fit better with DO schools and DO practitioners. I am not a very competitive person and I believe that cooperation is much more important in the medical field, and I feel that most of the MD programs enhance the competitive spirit while suppressing the cooperative one.
 
I hate these threads. the degree you choose does not indicate who you are as an individual. AT the very most, maybe pre-DO students are more humble because many of us have a shortcoming (be it gpa or MCAT) that first introduced us to the osteopathic world.
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Agreed with only one addition: The degree you choose reflects your attitude toward medicine, which is a common thread especially among pre-DO.
 
nycNerd said:
I am not in bad shape as far as numbers go, but I am applying to DO because I feel as it my career goals and personality fit better with DO schools and DO practitioners. I am not a very competitive person and I believe that cooperation is much more important in the medical field, and I feel that most of the MD programs enhance the competitive spirit while suppressing the cooperative one.
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i totally agree with you.
And while some may think that degree has nothing to do with what kind of person you are...
I have yet to meet an MD who will impress me as much as a DO i shadow (with both competences and personality).
And volunteering in ER i have to admit that none of the MDs (with one exception) will even say "hi" back to me.
DOs always are up to find out something about me or at least do not pretend that i am the air.

i think that while many pre-allo students have all those great stats and tons of research many of them should rather end up in Ph.D programs doing research and other thinngs that require little contact with other human beings.
They may have 4.0s and 45s on MCAT because they are smart...but MANY of them are totally antisocial...
 
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You know, the type of doctor you are gonna be depends on the person. NOT the school, NOT your TITLE and defenately NOT wether you are an MD or DO. I have met MD's that are the nicest and most supportive people ever, and honestly, I have met some real A$$hole D.O.'s!!! Some D.O.'s i have shadowed before dont even use OMM... and dont spend time with the patient at all. It goes both ways! The thing is..."can a person remain HUMBLE once they get the title "DOCTOR!?"" Some can't, despite of their title!
 
jason3278 said:
I've noticed that people over there just seem to be more uptight, even anal. There's a recent thread from a highschool kid wondering what college would be best for premed. My answer was that any accredited college or university that he/she felt most comfortable at would be fine. However it seems my oppinion is the minority, because several people over there seem to place great importance on going to a "top" school: Harvard, Yale, U of M, UCLA, etc.

I'm not saying all pre-DO and DO students are laid-back hippies, but I think I just fit in better over here.
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I wonder what the responses would be if this were moved over to the pre-allo forum...do you think people will agree or just start a flame war with MD this and DO that....interesting....
 
ok, for those of you who "hate" this thread, I never meant that ALL pre-MD students were uptight jerks and that all pre-DOs were wonderful. (My volunteer experience certainly shattered that notion to hell!) If anything, I would say that in general, many pre-MD people are traditional, young students, and so perhaps a bit immature. Maybe there are a greater number of people like me (i.e. older, already been out in the workforce, military experience, etc) who are pre-MD/DO, or pre-DO.
 
jason3278 said:
ok, for those of you who "hate" this thread, I never meant that ALL pre-MD students were uptight jerks and that all pre-DOs were wonderful. (My volunteer experience certainly shattered that notion to hell!) If anything, I would say that in general, many pre-MD people are traditional, young students, and so perhaps a bit immature. Maybe there are a greater number of people like me (i.e. older, already been out in the workforce, military experience, etc) who are pre-MD/DO, or pre-DO.
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i can agree with that. And I didnt mean to point at you, because your point has been valid all the way. I was just already preparing for the crazy pats on the back that I knew were coming. I thought there would be more self-righteous posts by now.
 
Once you get rejected from all MD schools and have to settle for DO's you usually are more laid back.


NOT. What kind of idiot sits there and analyses people and their schools. Get your psych degree before you spew this mindgarbage.
 
BeatrixKiddo said:
Once you get rejected from all MD schools and have to settle for DO's you usually are more laid back.


NOT. What kind of idiot sits there and analyses people and their schools. Get your psych degree before you spew this mindgarbage.
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Right. So I'm not allowed to make any statement regarding what I've observed on SDN time and time again for the the nearly 2 years.

Also: go to hell. 👎
 
jason3278 said:
Right. So I'm not allowed to make any statement regarding what I've observed on SDN time and time again for the the nearly 2 years.

Also: go to hell. 👎
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Wow... are you sure you DO's aren't trained to be dinguses too?
 
UIC Killa said:
I wonder what the responses would be if this were moved over to the pre-allo forum...do you think people will agree or just start a flame war with MD this and DO that....interesting....
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I vote that a flame war would be started. Someone would start it and it would spiral out of control.
 
premed2007 said:
I vote that a flame war would be started. Someone would start it and it would spiral out of control.
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Let me just say that I never intended to start anything. I was just making a statement as to what I've observed, and that I (as in not everyone) simply feel more comfortable in the pre-osteo forum.
 
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If you just assume everyone is an dingus, then when you find someone who isn't you are pleasantly surprised and it makes life more enjoyable. :laugh:
 
DropkickMurphy said:
If you just assume everyone is an dingus, then when you find someone who isn't you are pleasantly surprised and it makes life more enjoyable. :laugh:
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Yes, but when you assume, you make an ass out of "u" and me, and being ass won't get you any friends. Although, it seems some people have no problem.

Ugh....i need to study for O-Chem
 
jason3278 said:
Let me just say that I never intended to start anything. I was just making a statement as to what I've observed, and that I (as in not everyone) simply feel more comfortable in the pre-osteo forum.
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I know, I was just making an observation.
 
jason3278 said:
Yes, but when you assume, you make an ass out of "u" and me, and being ass won't get you any friends. Although, it seems some people have no problem.

Ugh....i need to study for O-Chem
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It doesn't imply that you have to be an ass, just that you take people with a grain of salt and don't blindly go about life with the expectation that every is good, decent and altruistic.
 
jason3278 said:
I've noticed that people over there just seem to be more uptight, even anal. There's a recent thread from a highschool kid wondering what college would be best for premed. My answer was that any accredited college or university that he/she felt most comfortable at would be fine. However it seems my oppinion is the minority, because several people over there seem to place great importance on going to a "top" school: Harvard, Yale, U of M, UCLA, etc.

I'm not saying all pre-DO and DO students are laid-back hippies, but I think I just fit in better over here.
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That may be true. However, go check out the Osteopathic forums vs. Allopathic (not pre-med). There is a definite difference there, and it may have even affected my decision (albeit a very minute amount) to accept an MD offer rather than a DO one.

There are a lot of DO's in school right now who spend a lot of time on that board sounding like they really would rather be in an allo school, bashing OMM, and just general insecure, self-indulgent whining. Not trying to start a flame war here at all, but just my observation over many months of surfing this site.
 
please please please don't do any of those MD vs DO things on the boards....those always end up bad in the end. For each their own...I chose the MD route because it is easier to practice in foreign countries and I don't plan to be in the US all my life. But MD and dingus really don't go in the same sentance...a person can't be judged by a degree that they have...
 
CoryChevalier said:
please please please don't do any of those MD vs DO things on the boards....those always end up bad in the end. For each their own...I chose the MD route because it is easier to practice in foreign countries and I don't plan to be in the US all my life. But MD and dingus really don't go in the same sentance...a person can't be judged by a degree that they have...
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Shut up, MD dingus!!!

LOL, just kidding... you're totally right about how these things end up. I hear you on the reason you chose MD too, that was a big reason for me as well.
 
DRKUBA said:
AT the very most, maybe pre-DO students are more humble because many of us have a shortcoming (be it gpa or MCAT) that first introduced us to the osteopathic world.
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🙄

Im just wondering what % of stuff that comes out of your mouth should be coming out of another orifice.
 
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dr.kicia said:
i totally agree with you.
And while some may think that degree has nothing to do with what kind of person you are...
I have yet to meet an MD who will impress me as much as a DO i shadow (with both competences and personality).
And volunteering in ER i have to admit that none of the MDs (with one exception) will even say "hi" back to me.
DOs always are up to find out something about me or at least do not pretend that i am the air.

i think that while many pre-allo students have all those great stats and tons of research many of them should rather end up in Ph.D programs doing research and other thinngs that require little contact with other human beings.
They may have 4.0s and 45s on MCAT because they are smart...but MANY of them are totally antisocial...
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First of all, it's not true that you can be anti-social and successful in a research lab. The days of the lone misanthrope working away by himself all night are long gone. Modern research is done in teams, and people skills are essential for success.

It's also not true that you can stereotype a physician based upon the degree s/he possesses. This assertion is no better than the analogous idiotic claims made by pre-allopaths who think that getting an MD makes them superior to you. There are many fine DOs out there, and there are also many fine MDs. It isn't their degrees that makes them such great physicians. It's who they are as people.
 
I think what everybody really needs to keep in perspective is that SDN is a very minute representation of the pre-med and med student world. Not to mention the fact that individual's motivations to post, browse, flame, whatever on here are not entirely known to anyone.

I've always tried to take EVERYTHING that I read on this website with a grain of salt. I definitely think Jason has every right to make an observation, but people need to be careful and not stereotype/generalize entire bodies of people.
 
jason3278 said:
I've noticed that people over there just seem to be more uptight, even anal. There's a recent thread from a highschool kid wondering what college would be best for premed. My answer was that any accredited college or university that he/she felt most comfortable at would be fine. However it seems my oppinion is the minority, because several people over there seem to place great importance on going to a "top" school: Harvard, Yale, U of M, UCLA, etc.
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People say things like that because they are trying to understand why they are meeting with less success in the application process than they expected. When I got rejected from some of my schools last year, you'd better believe I thought it might have to do with my choice of UG. (I attended a small, state-run liberal arts college that most people have never heard of and that does not award grades.) In hindsight, I don't think that my choice of UG ultimately made much difference, and I don't think it makes much difference for most people. There are so many excellent students at the top schools that it's natural to see a lot of students from those schools getting acceptances. But I saw some of my best no-name state U students getting multiple acceptances as well, and I just don't believe that one's choice of UG makes as much difference as many people seem to think that it does.
 
BeatrixKiddo said:
Once you get rejected from all MD schools and have to settle for DO's you usually are more laid back.


NOT. What kind of idiot sits there and analyses people and their schools. Get your psych degree before you spew this mindgarbage.
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I have a psych degree, does that then give me a right to comment on this?

Making threads like this only breeds more hate between the two forums. I think there are a lot of dinguses on both sides. In addition, my first year has been filled with a mix of laid-back hippies, as someone put it, giant dinguses and, of course, people in between. I don't mean to sound negative but, making this thread, and making the generalizations contained within (unless you have done research on the topic to find out if all or most pre-allopathic students are dicks) just breeds contempt. Eh, that is my two cents and I am sure someone will jump all over it; so much for laid back hippies 🙂
 
Jamers said:
I have a psych degree, does that then give me a right to comment on this?

Making threads like this only breeds more hate between the two forums. I think there are a lot of dinguses on both sides. In addition, my first year has been filled with a mix of laid-back hippies, as someone put it, giant dinguses and, of course, people in between. I don't mean to sound negative but, making this thread, and making the generalizations contained within (unless you have done research on the topic to find out if all or most pre-allopathic students are dicks) just breeds contempt. Eh, that is my two cents and I am sure someone will jump all over it; so much for laid back hippies 🙂
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See, an educated opinion totally pwns other opinions.
 
Whatever. At this point people aren't even responding to what I actually said. Everyone's just throwing their 2-cents with no regard. I never intended to make any generalizations, I simply made an observation that applied to me. It may apply to you, it may not. I really don't care anymore.
 
jason3278 said:
Whatever. At this point people aren't even responding to what I actually said. Everyone's just throwing their 2-cents with no regard. I never intended to make any generalizations, I simply made an observation that applied to me. It may apply to you, it may not. I really don't care anymore.
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jason, I really do understand what you are saying, I agree to a point that there are slight differences in thread attitude. But do you now see why I said I hated these threads? This always happens.
 
DRKUBA said:
jason, I really do understand what you are saying, I agree to a point that there are slight differences in thread attitude. But do you now see why I said I hated these threads? This always happens.
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I definitely see what you are saying. I had a feeling this would happen. Look at the 1st response to my post. From the very beginning, people were taking me completely wrong.
 
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jason3278 said:
Whatever. At this point people aren't even responding to what I actually said. Everyone's just throwing their 2-cents with no regard. I never intended to make any generalizations, I simply made an observation that applied to me. It may apply to you, it may not. I really don't care anymore.
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Your "observation" was and continues to be a generalization about a diverse group of people, even post-editing. You obviously DID intend to make that generalization, or you wouldn't have made it. 😉

So do you not like my interpretation of your observation a few posts up? Is it that you think I am incorrect, or is it that I am not simply agreeing with your generalization that pre-osteos are inherently more laid-back than pre-allos? As a fellow non-trad, I do agree with you that youth and immaturity definitely color how people respond to threads like the one started by the high schooler. 🙂
 
DRKUBA said:
I hate these threads. the degree you choose does not indicate who you are as an individual. AT the very most, maybe pre-DO students are more humble because many of us have a shortcoming (be it gpa or MCAT) that first introduced us to the osteopathic world.
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I think, sometimes, you are just so eager to write something so people can see your name that you make stupid comments like this. This is why you will always remain a tool in my book. 😍 .
 
jason3278 said:
Whatever. At this point people aren't even responding to what I actually said. Everyone's just throwing their 2-cents with no regard. I never intended to make any generalizations, I simply made an observation that applied to me. It may apply to you, it may not. I really don't care anymore.
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When you post on a public forum, your opinion becomes open to debate. In addition, if you are angry over how people are taking what you wrote then maybe you should be more careful about HOW you write it. Finally, threads like these are dead before they even get off the ground. The main reason is because they DO make sweeping generalizations.
 
Jamers said:
I think, sometimes, you are just so eager to write something so people can see your name that you make stupid comments like this. This is why you will always remain a tool in my book. 😍 .
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Can somebody please explain to me what is wrong with my statement? Is it not searching for more options that introduced many of us to osteopathy? Must you be so insecure that you flame me for it? you got a 22 on your mcat, that is a huge shortcoming, be greatful that osteopathy was there for you, because an allo school sure as hell would not take you.
 
Jamers said:
I think, sometimes, you are just so eager to write something so people can see your name that you make stupid comments like this.
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Please try to formulate complete sentences next time you try to belittle someone...especially if you're going to use the word "tool". Good god, are we high school skaters now?

Fo shizzle?

Typed colloquialisms are laughable at best.
 
DRKUBA said:
you know what's kind of funny... doesnt this thread prove itself wrong?😕
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Proves that everyone is uptight about something. Pre-osteos just direct it towards something different than pre-allos.

This thread has actually been way more benign than most other analogous threads. This one is almost fun really.
 
drmax said:
Please try to formulate complete sentences next time you try to belittle someone...especially if you're going to use the word "tool". Good god, are we high school skaters now?

Fo shizzle?

Typed colloquialisms are laughable at best.
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Sorry, didn't realize that SDN had suddenly become a national writing forum. Next time I will run my posts through spell and grammar check instead of making sure my point has gotten across. I would like to know when tool went out of style. You damn kids and your changing insults. Can I still call him a **** off and not be labeled as "outdated"?
 
Jamers, I'm just perpetuating this ridiculous thread.

I think Kuba's an all right guy, and in order for me to allow you to insult him you have to do it with proper grammar so that I have no basis for defense on his behalf 😉
 
It'sElectric said:
Proves that everyone is uptight about something. Pre-osteos just direct it towards something different than pre-allos.

This thread has actually been way more benign than most other analogous threads. This one is almost fun really.
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Well, they normally do turn into flame wars about the third post or so. This one needed a little help. But, it does go to show what throwing one person's user name out can get. Laid back hippies my ass. :laugh: . Thanks for proving my point, tool. Now, I will be on my way 😀
 
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